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04 Mar 2006 05:35:32 PM |
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Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person |
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
SANDUSKY (AP) --
A hospital whose employee stored about 90 fetuses or fetal tissue
instead of disposing them didn't violate the law, said a county judge,
citing the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade abortion rights ruling.
Erie County Judge Tygh Tone ruled against extending the definition of
"person" to include fetal tissue based on Roe v. Wade, which set a
precedent that legal rights of a "person" have "generally been
contingent upon live birth."
The judge dismissed four claims in a lawsuit against Firelands
Community Hospital, now known Firelands Regional Medical Center.
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06 Mar 2006 08:19:30 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
SANDUSKY (AP) --
A hospital whose employee stored about 90 fetuses or fetal tissue
instead of disposing them didn't violate the law, said a county judge,
citing the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade abortion rights ruling.
Erie County Judge Tygh Tone ruled against extending the definition of
"person" to include fetal tissue based on Roe v. Wade, which set a
precedent that legal rights of a "person" have "generally been
contingent upon live birth."
The judge dismissed four claims in a lawsuit against Firelands
Community Hospital, now known Firelands Regional Medical Center.
Two women who had miscarriages or stillbirths at the hospital filed a
class action lawsuit against the hospital in 1997, claiming the hospital
committed fraud because the staff did not tell them how the fetal tissue
would be disposed.
Michael Murray, a lawyer for the women, said they will appeal. He said
there is no precedent for the case. The judge's ruling did not stop them
from pursuing emotional distress claims against the hospital and the
former employee who stored the fetal tissue in containers on a shelf in
the hospital morgue for up to 10 years.
The women said they had nightmares after learning that Patricia Lukas, a
technician in the morgue, saved fetal tissue rather than disposing of it
in a grinder, which was the hospital's policy. Lukas was eventually
fired.
The judge wrote he believed no fraud occurred. The hospital stated it
"would take care of the tissue, and no matter if it was stored or
grinded, the tissue was removed from the care of the plaintiffs and
taken care of," he said.
The hospital also had no duty to disclose how it would dispose of the
tissue, the ruling said. "Lukas was simply trying to balance her own
religious beliefs with the requirements of her job," the judge said,
citing Lukas' court brief. "However, Lukas' religious beliefs that fetal
tissue should not be placed in the grinder may be in conflict with
religious beliefs of the plaintiffs."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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05 Mar 2006 05:03:24 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
duke, American-American
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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06 Mar 2006 12:47:03 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
Potential only. Two of the things that insane cultists are incapable
of is determining probabilities or consequences. Those two factors are
probably why the religious are profoundly insane.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:54:50 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:47:03 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
Potential only. Two of the things that insane cultists are incapable
of is determining probabilities or consequences. Those two factors are
probably why the religious are profoundly insane.
No, actually the fetus was a human life. It had a soul.
duke, American-American
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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06 Mar 2006 12:18:54 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
No, actually the fetus was a human life. It had a soul.
Read Sam Harris' discussion about the arithmetic of fetal souls in his
book "The End of Faith" and see if you can understand why your comment
is so ignorant and foolish.
duke, Fool-Fool
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06 Mar 2006 06:03:40 PM |
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:18:54 -0800, (Scott Richter)
wrote:
No, actually the fetus was a human life. It had a soul.
Read Sam Harris' discussion about the arithmetic of fetal souls in his
book "The End of Faith" and see if you can understand why your comment
is so ignorant and foolish.
Why does this harris character know better than God, who gives us our soul.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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06 Mar 2006 09:39:40 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Read Sam Harris' discussion about the arithmetic of fetal souls in his
book "The End of Faith" and see if you can understand why your comment
is so ignorant and foolish.
Why does this harris character know better than God, who gives us our soul.
Because Mr. Harris is real...
duke, American-American Idiot-Idiot
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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06 Mar 2006 08:55:12 PM |
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in article fdjp02h5h6u04oj21q4c83qnv94co6nv6n@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 3/6/06 7:03 PM:
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:18:54 -0800, (Scott Richter)
wrote:
No, actually the fetus was a human life. It had a soul.
Read Sam Harris' discussion about the arithmetic of fetal souls in his
book "The End of Faith" and see if you can understand why your comment
is so ignorant and foolish.
Why does this harris character know better than God, who gives us our soul.
You mean the rancid thing that gets you out of bed every morning?
Paul
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06 Mar 2006 08:38:05 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:47:03 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
Potential only. Two of the things that insane cultists are incapable
of is determining probabilities or consequences. Those two factors are
probably why the religious are profoundly insane.
No, actually the fetus was a human life. It had a soul.
Sorry, what's this "soul" thing? Got a photo of this thing you're
talking of?
Didn't think so.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Mar 2006 06:02:47 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:38:05 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Sorry, what's this "soul" thing? Got a photo of this thing you're
talking of?
Didn't think so.
Sorry, ds, but hide your ignorance. The soul is not a thing, but the essence of
what you are.
You do have some essences, don't you ds, or are you just a blob. Can you show
me a picture of one of your essences?
duke, American-American
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05 Mar 2006 05:27:36 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:53:28 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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07 Mar 2006 12:52:52 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
LOL! Name one thing that does -- and provide evidence to back up
your bizarre notion.
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06 Mar 2006 08:37:26 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
Nor does any human.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Mar 2006 06:00:20 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:37:26 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
Nor does any human.
Ah, ds, it's good to have your dumbass back. This will be fun.
duke, American-American
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06 Mar 2006 05:54:55 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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These people actually think they know life....
K C
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www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html
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06 Mar 2006 05:59:52 PM |
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On 6 Mar 2006 03:54:55 -0800, "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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These people actually think they know life....
God does, and he said your hair does not have a soul - a human fetus does
however.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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07 Mar 2006 12:34:51 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:d6jp02hnqjeijbj9r9qmq3kbrvfld6hr7m@4ax.com:
On 6 Mar 2006 03:54:55 -0800, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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These people actually think they know life....
God does, and he said your hair does not have a soul - a human fetus
does however.
"Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of
their womb." -- Hosea 9:16
Where does the bible say that a fetus has a "soul"?
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06 Mar 2006 08:54:20 PM |
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in article d6jp02hnqjeijbj9r9qmq3kbrvfld6hr7m@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 3/6/06 6:59 PM:
On 6 Mar 2006 03:54:55 -0800, "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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These people actually think they know life....
God does, and he said your hair does not have a soul -
You mean the thing God treats like dirt in Heaven?
Paul
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06 Mar 2006 02:20:17 PM |
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news:6k8o0257esck49e1ubvqoe0547jlhdhnq9@4ax.com by duke:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
So is my hair, but no one jails the barber for cutting it.
No, your hair does not have a soul.
The Bible say God puts a soul into a person after he/she is breathing.
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T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
Å vite hva man ikke vet,
er også en slags allvitenhet.
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06 Mar 2006 06:00:54 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:20:17 GMT, Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net> wrote:
The Bible say God puts a soul into a person after he/she is breathing.
An interesting comment. Where?
duke, American-American
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06 Mar 2006 08:43:59 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:00:54 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:20:17 GMT, Ferrous Patella <mail125797@pop.net> wrote:
The Bible say God puts a soul into a person after he/she is breathing.
An interesting comment. Where?
I think he meant this verse:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
Notice man became a living soul only after he was given the breath of
life. Based on that description, I think it's safe to say even a new
born baby would not be considered to have a soul before the baby
starts breathing.
duke, American-American
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05 Mar 2006 07:01:35 PM |
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in article 3hrm02p5anvf19ula9u9sp8823e5p98i62@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 3/5/06 6:03 PM:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice)
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
Of a higher grade than Duke...
Paul
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06 Mar 2006 05:53:52 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:01:35 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
in article 3hrm02p5anvf19ula9u9sp8823e5p98i62@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 3/5/06 6:03 PM:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:35:32 GMT, (Fredric L. Rice)
wrote:
From The Associated Press, 3/3/06:
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4581421
Judge Says Disposed Fetus, Tissue Isn't a Person
But it was human life.
Of a higher grade than Duke...
Who is higher than you.
duke, American-American
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