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"J Young" |
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23 Jan 2006 11:18:02 PM |
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Jury orders reprimand, no jail for soldier |
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not a
reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that this a
*war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have issues with our
elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=D8FAQJTO0&apc=9009
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. also was ordered to forfeit $6,000
salary and was largely restricted to his barracks and workplace for 60 days.
Welshofer, 43, had originally been charged with murder and faced up to life
in prison. But on Saturday he was convicted instead of negligent homicide
and negligent dereliction of duty.
On the lesser charges, he had faced a maximum of three years and three
months in prison, a dishonorable discharge, loss of his pension and other
penalties.
After hearing the sentence reached by the jury of six Army officers,
Welshofer hugged his wife. Soldiers in the gallery _ many of whom had worked
with Welshofer and who had testified as character witnesses _ broke into
applause.
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"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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| User: "Martin Kess" |
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24 Jan 2006 02:47:10 AM |
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you."
- Frederick Nietzsche.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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23 Jan 2006 11:45:16 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
--
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader seeking
to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a President for the
first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of our basest and most
irrational fears.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2006 04:54:35 PM |
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Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
Of course they did. Suffocating terrorists is hilarious (except to
sobbing appeasers on the left). Try not to cry :)
--
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader seeking
to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a President for the
first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of our basest and most
irrational fears.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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24 Jan 2006 05:15:39 PM |
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wrote in
news:1138143275.386273.140280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation,
not a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals
understand that this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the
war should have issues with our elected officials, not our
dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting
suffocated on purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
Of course they did. Suffocating terrorists is hilarious (except to
sobbing appeasers on the left). Try not to cry :)
The person suffocated was not a terrorist you pathetic piece of rightard
feces.
--
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader
seeking to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a
President for the first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of
our basest and most irrational fears.
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24 Jan 2006 05:06:21 PM |
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wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
Of course they did. Suffocating terrorists is hilarious (except to
sobbing appeasers on the left). Try not to cry :)
I have to agree with the Right-wing idiot. Torture can be fun.
--Bryan
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What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader seeking
to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a President for the
first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of our basest and most
irrational fears.
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Jan 2006 07:08:56 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2006 15:06:21 -0800, "Bobobonobo" <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
in alt.atheism
omareno...@aol.com wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
Of course they did. Suffocating terrorists is hilarious (except to
sobbing appeasers on the left). Try not to cry :)
I have to agree with the Right-wing idiot. Torture can be fun.
Y'all are more than welcome to volunteer to be the recipient of such
fun.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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24 Jan 2006 10:22:04 AM |
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Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president. Somebody kne they had a wrong'un, why wasn't he tried for murder?
Next time a US soldier is tortured to death I hope everyone will
remember this case.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2006 03:18:14 PM |
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On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated
on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president.
Much as I despise our president, it is unfair to assume that he knew.
The chain of command *does* top out with him, but there is *nothing*
keeping the hundreds of officers between him & Joe or Jane Private
from coming up with their own ideas.
Susan
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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24 Jan 2006 03:32:42 PM |
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wrote in news:qQwBf.35964$Le2.18262@trnddc04:
On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting
suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to
the president.
Much as I despise our president, it is unfair to assume that he knew.
The chain of command *does* top out with him, but there is *nothing*
keeping the hundreds of officers between him & Joe or Jane Private
from coming up with their own ideas.
As much as I hate Bush, I agree. If Bush is guilty of anything here it
was creating a climate where such things are possible.
--
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader
seeking to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a
President for the first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of
our basest and most irrational fears.
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| User: "martin" |
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24 Jan 2006 04:29:23 PM |
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wrote:
On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated
on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president.
Much as I despise our president, it is unfair to assume that he knew.
The chain of command *does* top out with him, but there is *nothing*
keeping the hundreds of officers between him & Joe or Jane Private
from coming up with their own ideas.
OK. If I accept your premise (and it's not unreasonable) who DID pull
the murder charge? Why weren't the commanding officers in front of
courts martial as well?
This is symptomatic of Bush's attitude to international law. His army
has no fear of consequences because they know their president will
defend them if anyone else tries to get them in front of a war-crimes court.
So, by a convoluted route, it DOES wind up back at the commander in chief.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2006 07:19:19 PM |
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On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated
on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president.
Much as I despise our president, it is unfair to assume that he knew.
The chain of command *does* top out with him, but there is *nothing*
keeping the hundreds of officers between him & Joe or Jane Private
from coming up with their own ideas.
OK. If I accept your premise (and it's not unreasonable) who DID pull
the murder charge? Why weren't the commanding officers in front of
courts martial as well?
This is symptomatic of Bush's attitude to international law. His army
has no fear of consequences because they know their president will
defend them if anyone else tries to get them in front of a war-crimes
court.
So, by a convoluted route, it DOES wind up back at the commander in chief.
Yes, responsibility, yes.
I was only arguing against foreknowledge & having ordered or even pre-okayed
it.
Susan
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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24 Jan 2006 08:43:35 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk>
posting the following on Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:29:23 +0000 iin
alt.atheism?
OK. If I accept your premise (and it's not unreasonable) who DID pull
the murder charge? Why weren't the commanding officers in front of
courts martial as well?
He was convicted of killing the prisoner, but the jury (the UCMJ does
use juries) found that the death was not intentional. Hence, the
reprimand, reduction in rank, and golden boot out of the service.
No commanders were tried because no one could prove that the CWO was
ordered to do anything like what he did.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Jan 2006 07:06:49 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:18:14 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 24-Jan-2006, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated
on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president.
Much as I despise our president, it is unfair to assume that he knew.
The chain of command *does* top out with him, but there is *nothing*
keeping the hundreds of officers between him & Joe or Jane Private
from coming up with their own ideas.
It made things quite clear the Geneva Convention didn't apply.
The 'rule' is "There are no rules."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Jan 2006 09:34:07 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:22:04 +0000, martin <usenet@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
- Refer: <43d653d7$0$28448$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president. Somebody kne they had a wrong'un, why wasn't he tried for murder?
Next time a US soldier is tortured to death I hope everyone will
remember this case.
Because to prove murder, one needs to prove intent.
He should have been tried for manslaughter.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2006 04:56:28 PM |
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martin wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president. Somebody kne they had a wrong'un, why wasn't he tried for murder?
Next time a US soldier is tortured to death I hope everyone will
remember this case.
Still desperately hoping and praying that your moral relativism *****
will ever float, eh? Continue panicking :)
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| User: "DH" |
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25 Jan 2006 04:07:41 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138143388.563908.243160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
martin wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not
a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that
this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have
issues with our elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting
suffocated on
purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to the
president. Somebody kne they had a wrong'un, why wasn't he tried for
murder?
Next time a US soldier is tortured to death I hope everyone will
remember this case.
Still desperately hoping and praying that your moral relativism *****
will ever float, eh? Continue panicking :)
As far as I can tell, "moral relativism" is this: it's OK to for us to do it
to them but not OK for them to do it to us.
Thus, the killing of an unarmed "rag-head" in captivity goes unpunished and
maybe even applauded ("J Young" suggests a commendation) but for a
"rag-head" to kill one of us is unthinkably evil.
Sorry, I'm not buying it and I don't think Jesus would buy it, either.
It's:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
not:
"Let's do it to them before they do it to us."
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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24 Jan 2006 05:16:35 PM |
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wrote in
news:1138143388.563908.243160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
martin wrote:
Dave Lister wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation,
not a reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals
understand that this a *war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the
war should have issues with our elected officials, not our
dedicated soldiers.
I'm sure our elected officials knew that people were getting
suffocated on purpose by our soldiers, rightard.
They certainly should do, the chain of command goes all the way to
the president. Somebody kne they had a wrong'un, why wasn't he tried
for murder?
Next time a US soldier is tortured to death I hope everyone will
remember this case.
Still desperately hoping and praying that your moral relativism *****
will ever float, eh? Continue panicking :)
Poor rightard, doesn't know that when we become like the terrorists
we've already lost.
--
What is wrong with the Republicans?
With Republican George Bush as President we no longer have a leader
seeking to positively inspire Americans to greatness, we have a
President for the first time seeking to govern by the manipulation of
our basest and most irrational fears.
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| User: "Salah Jafar" |
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24 Jan 2006 12:16:54 AM |
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He was an *****, He was warned many times in the early part of the war
when he came to my holding facility at Talil Air Base on April 2003. He was
beating prisoner than like a cowered. They were helpless people. He should
of been shot for beating this 400 pound General. I am saying the General was
an innocent man, but it was not for him to terrorized the prisoner. He
should been sentence to 25 years in prison. This is a shameful act by the
United States and the UCMJ.
SJ
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:_t-dnWZpwYD_JUjeRVn-qw@giganews.com...
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not a
reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that this
a
*war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have issues with
our
elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=D8FAQJTO0&apc=9009
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him
headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. also was ordered to forfeit
$6,000
salary and was largely restricted to his barracks and workplace for 60
days.
Welshofer, 43, had originally been charged with murder and faced up to
life
in prison. But on Saturday he was convicted instead of negligent homicide
and negligent dereliction of duty.
On the lesser charges, he had faced a maximum of three years and three
months in prison, a dishonorable discharge, loss of his pension and other
penalties.
After hearing the sentence reached by the jury of six Army officers,
Welshofer hugged his wife. Soldiers in the gallery _ many of whom had
worked
with Welshofer and who had testified as character witnesses _ broke into
applause.
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Jan 2006 04:37:17 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:16:54 GMT, "Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <qDjBf.5786$zh2.4632@trnddc01>
He was an *****, He was warned many times in the early part of the war
when he came to my holding facility at Talil Air Base on April 2003. He was
beating prisoner than like a cowered. They were helpless people. He should
of been shot for beating this 400 pound General. I am saying the General was
an innocent man, but it was not for him to terrorized the prisoner. He
should been sentence to 25 years in prison. This is a shameful act by the
United States and the UCMJ.
SJ
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Hear, hear!
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24 Jan 2006 04:45:20 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, J Young poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not a
reprimand.
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Killing is wrong no matter your beliefs are. [sic]
-- J. Young
http://groups.google.ca/group/talk.abortion/msg/6f3cd630146f4f78?hl=en&
Regards,
Josef
The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie.
-- J.A. Schumpeter
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| User: "Calife" |
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24 Jan 2006 06:26:42 AM |
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J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis. Another
masterstroke in 'merca's pathetic attempts at "winning hearts and minds"!!
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24 Jan 2006 06:37:35 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:42 +0100, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis.
Yeah, it will probably make those Sunnis not like us.
/sarcasm
--
"Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons."
- President George W. Bush, 2004
http://zogby.blogspot.com/rummy.jpg
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| User: "Calife" |
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24 Jan 2006 07:30:11 AM |
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NAH wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:42 +0100, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis.
Yeah, it will probably make those Sunnis not like us.
/sarcasm
Let's say Sunni Arab population is about 4 million (20% or so of a total
population of about 25 million).
Let's be real generous and say one hundred thousand of those are active
in the Resistance on a regular basis. Let's add another hundred thou as
"passive" or simply supportive but uninvolved.
Let's add both and bring it to a quarter million just to be safe, then
let's double that for yet extra safety at half a million.
That leaves at least three and a half million Sunni Arabs whose "hearts
and minds" could well be won over, should the invader actually really
align itself with its own rhetoric: "bringing democracy",
"nation-building", "helping Iraq", "saving lives from Saddam's
thuggery",.... all the nauseating, lying nonsense spewed by Bush and his
sycophants for the past three years.
Sorry episodes of the Lewis Welshofer Jr. kind only guarantee an
increase in the Resistance, more attacks on US troops and more and
better IEDs
Let's see if GI Joe getting his balls sheared off in an explosion while
on patrol in al-Anbar province shares your enthusiasm for "sarcasm"...!!
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24 Jan 2006 05:05:40 PM |
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Calife wrote:
NAH wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:42 +0100, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis.
Yeah, it will probably make those Sunnis not like us.
/sarcasm
Let's say Sunni Arab population is about 4 million (20% or so of a total
population of about 25 million).
Let's be real generous and say one hundred thousand of those are active
in the Resistance on a regular basis.
Resistance? LOL
Let's add another hundred thou as
"passive" or simply supportive but uninvolved.
Let's add both and bring it to a quarter million just to be safe, then
let's double that for yet extra safety at half a million.
That leaves at least three and a half million Sunni Arabs whose "hearts
and minds" could well be won over,should the invader actually really
align itself with its own rhetoric: "bringing democracy",
"nation-building", "helping Iraq", "saving lives from Saddam's
thuggery",.... all the nauseating, lying nonsense spewed by Bush and his
sycophants for the past three years.
Nice lies. Muslims terrorize the rest of the world if they're not
fellated 24/7. Welcome to Earth.
Sorry episodes of the Lewis Welshofer Jr. kind only guarantee an
increase in the Resistance, more attacks on US troops and more and
better IEDs
Still blaming everyone on Earth for terroism except the terrorists, I
see. Continue panicking.
Let's see if GI Joe getting his balls sheared off in an explosion while
on patrol in al-Anbar province shares your enthusiasm for "sarcasm"...!!
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| User: "Bobobonobo" |
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| Title: Re: Jury orders reprimand, no jail for soldier |
24 Jan 2006 05:10:54 PM |
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wrote:
Calife wrote:
NAH wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:42 +0100, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis.
Yeah, it will probably make those Sunnis not like us.
/sarcasm
Let's say Sunni Arab population is about 4 million (20% or so of a total
population of about 25 million).
Let's be real generous and say one hundred thousand of those are active
in the Resistance on a regular basis.
Resistance? LOL
Let's add another hundred thou as
"passive" or simply supportive but uninvolved.
Let's add both and bring it to a quarter million just to be safe, then
let's double that for yet extra safety at half a million.
That leaves at least three and a half million Sunni Arabs whose "hearts
and minds" could well be won over,should the invader actually really
align itself with its own rhetoric: "bringing democracy",
"nation-building", "helping Iraq", "saving lives from Saddam's
thuggery",.... all the nauseating, lying nonsense spewed by Bush and his
sycophants for the past three years.
Nice lies. Muslims terrorize the rest of the world if they're not
fellated 24/7. Welcome to Earth.
You share a lot of values with Muslim terrorists. Think about it and
you'll realize I'm correct about that.
--Bryan
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Jury orders reprimand, no jail for soldier |
25 Jan 2006 07:11:17 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2006 15:10:54 -0800, "Bobobonobo" <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
in alt.atheism
omareno...@aol.com wrote:
Calife wrote:
NAH wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:42 +0100, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
A military jury on Monday ordered a reprimand but no jail time for an Army
interrogator convicted of killing an Iraqi general by stuffing him headfirst
into a sleeping bag and sitting on his chest.
Oh, this is gonna go over real big with the Sunni Iraqis.
Yeah, it will probably make those Sunnis not like us.
/sarcasm
Let's say Sunni Arab population is about 4 million (20% or so of a total
population of about 25 million).
Let's be real generous and say one hundred thousand of those are active
in the Resistance on a regular basis.
Resistance? LOL
Let's add another hundred thou as
"passive" or simply supportive but uninvolved.
Let's add both and bring it to a quarter million just to be safe, then
let's double that for yet extra safety at half a million.
That leaves at least three and a half million Sunni Arabs whose "hearts
and minds" could well be won over,should the invader actually really
align itself with its own rhetoric: "bringing democracy",
"nation-building", "helping Iraq", "saving lives from Saddam's
thuggery",.... all the nauseating, lying nonsense spewed by Bush and his
sycophants for the past three years.
Nice lies. Muslims terrorize the rest of the world if they're not
fellated 24/7. Welcome to Earth.
You share a lot of values with Muslim terrorists. Think about it and
you'll realize I'm correct about that.
Yes he does, and so do one heck of a lot of Christians.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Calife" |
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25 Jan 2006 01:52:28 AM |
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wrote:
Calife wrote:
NAH wrote:
Let's say Sunni Arab population is about 4 million (20% or so of a total
population of about 25 million).
Let's be real generous and say one hundred thousand of those are active
in the Resistance on a regular basis.
Resistance? LOL
Big IED up crusading GI Joe's *****????
LOLOUDER
"bringing democracy",
"nation-building", "helping Iraq", "saving lives from Saddam's
thuggery",.... all the nauseating, lying nonsense spewed by Bush and his
sycophants for the past three years.
Nice lies.
Ah, I'm glad we're in agreement that the above garbage from the US gov
is just that: lies. "Nice" is open to debate ;-)
Muslims terrorize the rest of the world if they're not
fellated 24/7. Welcome to Earth.
What earth is that? The one inhabited by your oral fantasies?
Sorry episodes of the Lewis Welshofer Jr. kind only guarantee an
increase in the Resistance, more attacks on US troops and more and
better IEDs
Still blaming everyone on Earth for terroism except the terrorists, I
see. Continue panicking.
Not at all. I lay blame squarely where it belongs. At the doorstep of
the charnel house and torture chambers of the arch-terrorist on the
planet: The US of A!!
Let's see if GI Joe getting his balls sheared off in an explosion while
on patrol in al-Anbar province shares your enthusiasm for "sarcasm"...!!
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Jury orders reprimand, no jail for soldier |
24 Jan 2006 12:52:24 AM |
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So you think that the USA should not respect the very same treaties
they sign and force other countries to sign? What's the word again...
ah yes... hypocrit!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Jury orders reprimand, no jail for soldier |
24 Jan 2006 07:37:55 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Tue, 24 Jan 2006
00:18:02 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not a
reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that this a
*war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have issues with our
elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
Listen you chickenhawk son-of-a-*****, warfare has rules. This may
come as a shock, but we follow those rules.
One of the biggest set of rules concerns the care of prisoners. We do
not abuse prisoners. We do not beat prisoners. And we certainly do
not kill prisoners. Why? Because we are supposed to be better than
our enemies.
During WWII, Japanese troops and sailors expected to be executed if
they were captured. When they were instead treated with kindness,
many changed their minds about what they were taught about Americans.
Those former EPWs went on to be some of postwar Japan's leaders.
Everytime we do something stupid like this, it's nothing but grist for
the radical Muslim mill. They mullahs can point to this incident and
say "see? They are out to kill us all!"
But since you are a chickenhawk, this means nothing to you.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "martin" |
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24 Jan 2006 10:19:55 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on Tue, 24 Jan 2006
00:18:02 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer Jr. deserves a commendation, not a
reprimand. When will these bleeding-hearted liberals understand that this a
*war* we're engaged in. Those who oppose the war should have issues with our
elected officials, not our dedicated soldiers.
Listen you chickenhawk son-of-a-*****, warfare has rules. This may
come as a shock, but we follow those rules.
That is just not true!
One of the biggest set of rules concerns the care of prisoners.
Agreed.
We do not abuse prisoners. We do not beat prisoners. And we certainly do
not kill prisoners.
Either my irony meter isn't working or something's wrong here. The US
military certanly DO do all these things and a lot worse.
Why? Because we are supposed to be better than our enemies.
I think the whole world has seen that you are not better than the
enemies, and in fact are a whole lot worse at times with the total and
utter disregard for international law. The lies comming from the
president's office don't help either re. special rendition. "We don't
torture people" What wasn't said was "and we don't hand them over to
people who do"
Everytime we do something stupid like this, it's nothing but grist for
the radical Muslim mill. They mullahs can point to this incident and
say "see? They are out to kill us all!"
They'd be correct too. Look at what happened when the airforce went and
bombed Pakistan a couple of weeks ago.
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