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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:19:26 PM |
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Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
... Thanks in advance..
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 10:17:43 PM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter
who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character really
lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of like comparing
who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Wanting to ask a Quick question" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:35:08 PM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter
who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character really
lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of like comparing
who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives..... doesnt
matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the accounts
...... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
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| User: "Woden" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:55:28 PM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical
matter who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent
person Jesus or Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character
really lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of
like comparing who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives.....
doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the
accounts ..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
Considering some of the accounts that I have read about both, I don't see
either as being particularly "decent". Jesus had his followers steal an
***** for him to ride into town. Jesus tried to control his disciples to
the point of telling them to reject and hate their own families to follow
him. Jesus cursed a fruit tree for not bearing fruit out of season.
Jesus called a gentile woman who came to him a "dog". Mohammed had some
pretty shady business dealings. He had a marriage to a child. (and
probably had some other bad habits, but I'm not as familiar with his
mythology). So who is more decent?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "The Department of Defense" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 11:09:20 PM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical
matter who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent
person Jesus or Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character
really lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of
like comparing who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives.....
doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the
accounts ..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
Considering some of the accounts that I have read about both, I don't see
either as being particularly "decent". Jesus had his followers steal an
***** for him to ride into town. Jesus tried to control his disciples to
the point of telling them to reject and hate their own families to follow
him. Jesus cursed a fruit tree for not bearing fruit out of season.
Jesus called a gentile woman who came to him a "dog". Mohammed had some
pretty shady business dealings. He had a marriage to a child. (and
probably had some other bad habits, but I'm not as familiar with his
mythology). So who is more decent?
I am biased here... but if I read you right........ You are morally
equivocating me stealing your Sundays newspaper to coming over and fucking
your child..... Fantastic.....
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| User: "Woden" |
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11 Oct 2003 07:06:38 AM |
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"The Department of Defense" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical
matter who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent
person Jesus or Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character
really lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of
like comparing who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or
Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their
lives..... doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or
not....just the accounts ..... not the followers actions just the
storybook accounts.
Considering some of the accounts that I have read about both, I don't
see either as being particularly "decent". Jesus had his followers
steal an ***** for him to ride into town. Jesus tried to control his
disciples to the point of telling them to reject and hate their own
families to follow him. Jesus cursed a fruit tree for not bearing
fruit out of season. Jesus called a gentile woman who came to him a
"dog". Mohammed had some pretty shady business dealings. He had a
marriage to a child. (and probably had some other bad habits, but I'm
not as familiar with his mythology). So who is more decent?
I am biased here... but if I read you right........ You are morally
equivocating me stealing your Sundays newspaper to coming over and
fucking your child..... Fantastic.....
No, I distinctly avoided comparing which was "better" or "worse" and
merely pointed out flaws with each of these characters. But it's nice of
you to look at my post even if you really didn't read it.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 12:23:36 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:09:20 GMT, "The Department of
Defense" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical
matter who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent
person Jesus or Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character
really lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of
like comparing who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives.....
doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the
accounts ..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
Considering some of the accounts that I have read about both, I don't see
either as being particularly "decent". Jesus had his followers steal an
***** for him to ride into town. Jesus tried to control his disciples to
the point of telling them to reject and hate their own families to follow
him. Jesus cursed a fruit tree for not bearing fruit out of season.
Jesus called a gentile woman who came to him a "dog". Mohammed had some
pretty shady business dealings. He had a marriage to a child. (and
probably had some other bad habits, but I'm not as familiar with his
mythology). So who is more decent?
I am biased here...
Gee, you hide it so well...
but if I read you right........ You are morally
equivocating me stealing your Sundays newspaper to coming over and fucking
your child..... Fantastic.....
Sin is sin in the eyes of God as portrayed to most of us. Theft (even
minor) will allegedly get you the same Hell as raping little children.
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L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 11:45:38 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:09:20 GMT, "The Department of Defense"
<thecats@ss.mil> in news message
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical
matter who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent
person Jesus or Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character
really lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of
like comparing who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives.....
doesnt matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the
accounts ..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
Considering some of the accounts that I have read about both, I don't see
either as being particularly "decent". Jesus had his followers steal an
***** for him to ride into town. Jesus tried to control his disciples to
the point of telling them to reject and hate their own families to follow
him. Jesus cursed a fruit tree for not bearing fruit out of season.
Jesus called a gentile woman who came to him a "dog". Mohammed had some
pretty shady business dealings. He had a marriage to a child. (and
probably had some other bad habits, but I'm not as familiar with his
mythology). So who is more decent?
I am biased here... but if I read you right........ You are morally
equivocating me stealing your Sundays newspaper to coming over and fucking
your child..... Fantastic.....
In the Christian mythology, all sins are equal except for the sin of
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is unforgivable. Being angry is
equivalent to murder. Lusting is equivalent to adultery.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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11 Oct 2003 12:08:27 AM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in message
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter
who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character really
lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of like
comparing
who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives.....
doesnt
matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the accounts
..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
Let's see, driving out the moneychangers with scourges. You know what a
scourge is, don't you? It's like a cat-o-nine tails with barbs set in the
straps designed to tear flesh with the maximum of pain. Should I consider
someone who resorts to such violence decent?
No.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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11 Oct 2003 12:21:04 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:35:08 -0500, "Wanting to ask a
Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote:
"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in
news:3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter
who would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed? .. Thanks in advance..
Considering that there is no evidence that this Jesus character really
lived, how does one compare him to a real person. Sort of like comparing
who was the most decent person, Darth Vader or Hitler?
You know what I was getting at.... the accounts of their lives..... doesnt
matter if you do or dont believe in fairies or not....just the accounts
..... not the followers actions just the storybook accounts.
If the miracles of both are to be assumed true, then you've got
problems. They mutually exclude each other from any possibility of
being avatars for the same deity, so ONE of them would have to derive
his powers from sinister, possibly demonic influences. As Jesus came
first, that line of reasoning would lead me to believe Mohammed was
the demonic one - Jesus would've been God's "initial statement",
Mohammed could be nothing other than Hell's "rebuttal". I figure
Jesus would be God's initial statement because of the tenet of
religious belief that indicates God is all-loving - such a being
wouldn't let Satan give the first word so that millions and millions
of followers could be led astray by the time his _real_ prophet
arrived.
--
L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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| User: "xyzzy" |
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11 Oct 2003 08:31:06 AM |
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(Bill, The Avender) wrote:
If the miracles of both are to be assumed true, then you've got
problems. They mutually exclude each other from any possibility of
being avatars for the same deity, so ONE of them would have to derive
his powers from sinister, possibly demonic influences. As Jesus came
first, that line of reasoning would lead me to believe Mohammed was
the demonic one - Jesus would've been God's "initial statement",
Mohammed could be nothing other than Hell's "rebuttal". I figure
Jesus would be God's initial statement because of the tenet of
religious belief that indicates God is all-loving - such a being
wouldn't let Satan give the first word
I would have thought such a being wouldn't let Satan give the last
word.. Also remember the original sin. If anything, it seems that the
Judeo Christian god first lets people go astray, then gives them an
opportunity with a saviour. I say Mohammed being the true prophet
would make a nicer, more consistent and more dramatic ending to this
work of fiction.
so that millions and millions
of followers could be led astray by the time his _real_ prophet
arrived.
Man, don't you watch any movies or read any books? :) That's the type
of drama that makes the plot interesting and keeps the suspense!
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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11 Oct 2003 10:58:11 AM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in message
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I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
There are no good dead people. There are no bad dead people.
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| User: "Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!" |
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11 Oct 2003 04:23:16 AM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in message
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I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
E.T.
He sacrificed himself to save Elliot...then he was resurrected.
Wait a minute....where have I heard that before.
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| User: "MarcRW" |
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10 Oct 2003 11:02:24 PM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in message
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I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Well . . . there is real evidence that Mohammed lived. As to the messages
they bring, I'd have a tough time choosing the lesser of those evils. Islam
seems the more dangerous right now, but Christianity with its message of
love and compassion is probably responsible for more deaths, especially if
you consider the number of deaths per 100,00 people living at the time.
Anyone who knows God's will with infallible certainty is dangerous. He can
and has justified unspeakable horrors.
Marc
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What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which
is the exact opposite.
Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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12 Oct 2003 04:06:16 AM |
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"Wanting to ask a Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote in message news:<3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com>...
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
I recently did some research on Mohammed and really, I found him
rather barbaric.
When he was 52, he consummated his marriage to Ayesha, when she was 9.
Also, at the Battle of the Trench, he stood and watched as 800 Korayza
Jews were lined up 5 at a time, beheaded and their bodies pushed into
a trench. The wives and children of these Jews were then sold into
slavery.
These aren't the actions of someone I'd call enlightened and frankly,
I can't understand anyone following such a person. It makes you wonder
whether, if there was such a God, it would be moral to worship Him.
So, assuming Jesus actually existed and the gospels are accurate,
Jesus wins hands down. However, I'd rather nonminate the buddha or
Socrates as a role model.
Regards,
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "MooJoo" |
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11 Oct 2003 07:16:09 PM |
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I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
I think Mohammed could have taken Jesus in a 3 round cage match 2 rounds
to one but Jesus would have won big time playing H-O-R-S-E. His ability
to make the shot would have been almost supernatural.
Actually, this is a rather stupid question. Its like asking who wielded
the biggest tool, King Arthur or Paul Bunyan.
Fiction is fiction.
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There are no stupid questions,
but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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11 Oct 2003 12:16:29 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a
Quick question" <just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Either one's fine by me so long as he's dead. But to attempt a
serious answer to your query, there isn't any historically verifiable
data on Jesus upon which to base a comparison. It would have to be
Mohammed by default. It would all depend on which parts of which
accounts are true, which are exaggerations and which are downright
fiction. Assuming the Biblical accounts of Jesus are at least "mostly
true" (authenticity of the miracles being unknown as they are at
present), I'd probably still vote for Mohammed. The Jesus depicted in
the Bible comes across as an arrogant spoiled brat. I don't imagine
Mohammed was any worse, though I could be wrong.
--
L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
12 Oct 2003 02:27:52 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick
question" <just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
I'm not sure if Jesus even existed. But I'll follow the premise
that he did ...
If the 4 gospels are reasonably accurate, then he was a nice guy
who said some cool things. He tried - not very successfully - to
push people to evolve past the barbarian morality of the Old
Testament.
Everything he said was later recorded and turned upside down to
serve the priests and the corrupt state.
Mohammed almost certainly did exist. As a human leader, he seemed
to have done a good job. He smashed the cults based on human
sacrifice and brought political unity to an area that had not
amounted to much before. The civilization that his followers set
up was, for many centuries, far more moral and civilized than
what came before - and vastly superior to the horrors of medieval
Christianity.
However, like all revolutionaries, he was a product of his times.
He claimed to be the last prophet - which made all other
religions wrong. And he believed that murder was a natural part
of life. All that would not have mattered so much if he had not
produced a book which aimed to freeze the human mind for ever.
Jesus can be excused on this score, because it was those who came
well after him who made such a fetish of the Bible. But Mohammed
did it deliberately.
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 05:51:26 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick question"
<just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Since Jesus probably never existed and Muhamad was anything but
decent, neither of them.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 06:02:24 PM |
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I have always understood both men have been proven to have existed according
to recorded history. Whether all that has been attributed to each man is
correct is of course a diferent question.
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick question"
<just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Since Jesus probably never existed and Muhamad was anything but
decent, neither of them.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 08:48:55 PM |
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"John" <john242au@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:G_%hb.452$d47.23292@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
I have always understood both men have been proven to have existed
according
to recorded history. Whether all that has been attributed to each man is
correct is of course a diferent question.
Well, there does not seem to be ANY independent contemporary mention of the
Jesus character outside of the Gospels. That means there's one source, and
one source only, that mentions Jesus, and THAT one is not contemporary
either, being written 50 to 100 years after the "fact".
We agree that someone named Abraham Lincoln existed because there is tons of
contemporary independant verification from many different sources. Both his
friends, and enemies, agreed that he existed.
This is not the case for the Jesus character.
(snip)
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 07:27:42 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:02:24 +1000, "John"
<john242au@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have always understood both men have been proven to have existed according
to recorded history.
Then you understand wrong.
HTH, HAND. :-)
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L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
12 Oct 2003 06:52:09 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick question"
<just@pervert.com>, Message ID:
<3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Uh huh. You mean 'just wanting to start a flame war' you stupid *****.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
13 Oct 2003 02:03:20 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:52:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick question"
<just@pervert.com>, Message ID:
<3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Uh huh. You mean 'just wanting to start a flame war' you stupid *****.
He certainly got a lot of responses and has yet to respond to even
one. If he was truly sincere, a reply all of us would be nice - even
if it was only one general reply
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
13 Oct 2003 09:03:41 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:03:20 GMT, Michelle Malkin
<hypatiab7@earthlink.net>, Message ID:
<00jkovo4kfrtrh611f9c1afc54uisc8nif@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:52:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:19:26 -0500, "Wanting to ask a Quick question"
<just@pervert.com>, Message ID:
<3f877542$0$26297$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Uh huh. You mean 'just wanting to start a flame war' you stupid *****.
He certainly got a lot of responses and has yet to respond to even
one. If he was truly sincere, a reply all of us would be nice - even
if it was only one general reply
Indeed. The despicable coward.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 10:37:42 PM |
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Wanting to ask a Quick question <just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
As a purely historical matter, I don't think we have enough information
to judge - as the history was generally recorded with people with
sufficiently large axes to grind that any information we have at
this point is suspect.
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| User: "The Holy Kafir" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 11:01:26 PM |
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"Abner Mintz" <abnermintz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1g2mzx1.xwvp7tg2vieN%abnermintz@earthlink.net...
Wanting to ask a Quick question <just@pervert.com> wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
As a purely historical matter, I don't think we have enough information
to judge - as the history was generally recorded with people with
sufficiently large axes to grind that any information we have at
this point is suspect.
A curious position, considering Moho has a tale of murder rape and theft.
From your position, the ground ax on one side is no sin and the other is
sin, axes held by thier own followers? Doesn'tmake sense, you know.
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 08:48:08 AM |
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Abner Mintz wrote:
As a purely historical matter, I don't think we have enough
information
to judge - as the history was generally recorded with people with
sufficiently large axes to grind that any information we have at
this point is suspect.
The Holy Kafir <x@x.x> wrote:
A curious position, considering Moho has a tale of murder rape and theft.
From your position, the ground ax on one side is no sin and the other is
sin, axes held by thier own followers? Doesn'tmake sense, you know.
I'm afraid I cannot decipher your comment. Could you rephrase it and
explain it?
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| User: "EvilAllahtm" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
10 Oct 2003 11:38:11 PM |
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Wanting to ask a Quick question wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or
Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Jesus. He was a hippy, and kind of cool, if you ignore all the God crap.
Mohammad was a war mongerer.
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Love your country? Vote Libertarian.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Just a quick question for the "unbias" |
11 Oct 2003 09:52:56 AM |
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Wanting to ask a Quick question wrote:
I know none of you believe in God. But as a purely historical matter who
would you find yourself to regard as a more decent person Jesus or Mohammed?
.. Thanks in advance..
Neither, one is a myth, the other a child molesting, murderer.
And you really should not try to incite flame wars between the atheist
news groups and the Muslim news groups. It makes you look foolish.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Home School Educator for Computer Science
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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