"Bill" <bigbill52@yuckawin.com> wrote in message
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If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me. But I knew right from
the beginning that God is.

And you think we should care because..........................?

"Bill" <bigbill52@yuckawin.com> wrote in message
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If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me. But I knew right from
the beginning that God is.

So you came striaght out your mother's womb and started praying?

No one convinced me.

Your parents were atheists?

No one converted me.

So you believe in an imaginary being that no-one told you about? How did
you find out about this imaginary being if no one told you?

I
did not perform mental gymnastics to believe in something that is
unbelievable.

Could have fooled me.

After seven years in a Catholic Seminary, and leaving in disgrace, I
should have left it all behind. And I did try.

Obviously not hard enough.
But seven years of indoctination is a hard habit to break.

< stupidity snipped>

It is impossible for me to be an atheist.

You have my sympathy.
Hope you get well soon.

Smiler,
The godless one

Bill <bigbill52@yuckawin.com> wrote in news:pan.2007.06.13.22.18.34
@yuckawin.com:

If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me.

These aren't "thoughts." At best, they're "emotes."

On Jun 13, 3:20 pm, Bill <bigbil...@yuckawin.com> wrote:

If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me.

I don't see any reason to think that from reading your post. You seem
like you are determined to believe, and atheism is not remotely in your
nature.

But I knew right from
the beginning that God is.

Based on what evidence?

No one convinced me. No one converted me.

I'm guessing your parents were pretty religious, no? I think you're
kidding yourself.

I
did not perform mental gymnastics to believe in something that is
unbelievable.

Yes you did.

After seven years in a Catholic Seminary, and leaving in disgrace, I
should have left it all behind. And I did try.

In what way did you try?

Some reflections after forty years, since those days:

There is no Christian Church in the United States.

That will come as a big surprise to all the Christians who attend Church
in the United States.

Despite the minor
differences between denominations, the churches are used as a
conforming mechanism to the Babylonian system which includes politics,
economics, education, and religion.

Here we go again. No one (but you?) is a "true" Christian, right? I'm
guessing that you worship alone because you're an anti-social pain in
the *****, but would be more than happy to have a congregation come and
listen to YOUR divine insights.

I would imagine that Atheist groups are also used in the same manner.

The atheist meetings don't last long, we all get together and ask "do
you still lack religious belief?" Everyone goes yup. Then we ask "do
them religious folks seem kinda odd to you? Everyone goes yup, then we
shrug, and then we go home. Not much more to atheism than that.

The elect do not gather souls into a visible body that would be
recognized as a church by the state.

GIbberish always helps when presenting your case. Provide evidence of
the soul, and who is the "elect?" Why do theists switch subjects like a
guy on a sports scholarship?

Jesus gathers his own. They
recognize each other. They have fellowship, as the Spirit leads and in
diverse places and times.

You know, you sound like you've dropped acid. I wish you freaks could
listen to yourselves objectively, just for a few seconds. You sound
insance, and I'm trying not to be insulting. You have no idea that a
"Spirit" exists, you've never seen it or heard it, and yet you have
fantasized this elaborate behaviour system for this thing you are just
imagining.

There is no such thing as conversion. If the Christian churches were
real,

They are.

they would be a place for fellowship of those who already believed.

They ARE places of fellowship for believers.

I'm gleaning that you're the Messianic type of believer, one of those
guys who thinks that you believe better than anybody else, you believe
so much that you could practically ***** out an angel. You have special
divine insight and would like to be worshipped too. That is why you
can't enjoy "fellowship" at church. They're listening to the preacher
(you know more than he does!) and not to YOU. You'll show them by not
attending. I would LOVE to hear the story of your "disgraceful" exit
from seminary school.

Instead, they conform tares to be wheat and fill the barns with tares,
who once conformed, provide the money for these organizations to
continue. Occasionally one of the elect will find themselves in one of
these churches. He is ostracized and expelled, if he refuses to
conform. And since he can not conform, he is left on the outside,
wondering what happened and in many cases blaming himself. If the
churches were real, they would suffer persecution by Babylon.

God alone exists in Himself. We have our existence, when we are in
Him, and He is in us.

Meaningless gibberish.

Since there is no exit or entrance from eternity, the elect are always
with Him.

A bizarre bit of "logic:"

There is no exit from eternity
There is no entrance from eternity
Therefore the elect are always with Him (god)

Do you know what a non sequitur is? You just created one.

In time, we might experience a moment of decision, but it is more of an
awakening than an act of the will to believe, since the Father has
already given to Jesus all who will be His. You can not ask someone to
believe, who can not believe, nor persuade someone to disbelief, who is
destined to believe.

I am so glad I do not have those thoughts in my head. You're actually a
trapeze artist when it comes to mental gymnastics, don't sell yourself
short.

It is impossible for me to be an atheist.

I know. It would take more than your lifetime to undo all that
irrational thinking.

Some of us have seen for themselves.

So you say, and yet you fail to mention what it is you've seen. I know
you've FELT some sensations, but that could easily have been caused by
eating some bad cheese.

On Jun 13, 6:20 pm, Bill <bigbil...@yuckawin.com> wrote:

If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me.

snip

Didn't we go over this already?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/dec9b2041391b7f6?dmode=source&hl=en

*****, you clowns are stupid.

On Jun 14, 8:20 am, Bill <bigbil...@yuckawin.com> wrote:

If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me. But I knew right from
the beginning that God is. No one convinced me. No one converted me.
I did not perform mental gymnastics to believe in something that is
unbelievable. After seven years in a Catholic Seminary, and leaving in
disgrace, I should have left it all behind. And I did try.

Some reflections after forty years, since those days:

There is no Christian Church in the United States. Despite the minor
differences between denominations, the churches are used as a
conforming mechanism to the Babylonian system which includes politics,
economics, education, and religion. I would imagine that Atheist
groups are also used in the same manner.

The elect do not gather souls into a visible body that would be
recognized as a church by the state. Jesus gathers his own. They
recognize each other. They have fellowship, as the Spirit leads and in
diverse places and times.

There is no such thing as conversion. If the Christian churches were
real, they would be a place for fellowship of those who already
believed. Instead, they conform tares to be wheat and fill the barns
with tares, who once conformed, provide the money for these
organizations to continue. Occasionally one of the elect will find
themselves in one of these churches. He is ostracized and expelled, if
he refuses to conform. And since he can not conform, he is left on the
outside, wondering what happened and in many cases blaming himself. If
the churches were real, they would suffer persecution by Babylon.

God alone exists in Himself. We have our existence, when we are in
Him, and He is in us. Since there is no exit or entrance from
eternity, the elect are always with Him. In time, we might experience
a moment of decision, but it is more of an awakening than an act of the
will to believe, since the Father has already given to Jesus all who
will be His. You can not ask someone to believe, who can not believe,
nor persuade someone to disbelief, who is destined to believe.

It is impossible for me to be an atheist.

OK.
I think its impossible for me to be a believer - I just dont have the
right kind of brain.
When I was a little kid - I remember hearing stories about jesus and
moses and whatever - i found the stories strange and interesting but I
knew they were just stories.
It was instinctive.
I loved the stories about the Greek Gods and heroes. I knew they were
just stories.

I love imaginative stories - but I don't believe that the gods and
monsters and heroes and wizards and magic rings in those stories are
real.
I am as incapable of believing in the reality of God as I am incapable
of believing in the reality of Tarzan or Gandalf the Grey. Short of
severe brain damage from trauma or Alzheimer's disease I am going to die
a non believer.

Also I actually *like* some fictional characters - they can be noble,
brave , wise and kind.
I don't believe they exist - but at least they serve as examples of
ideals I aspire to.
God is not a character I would even *want* to be real - even if I was
capable of believing.
God is such a thoroughly *evil* fictitious character I would not want it
to exist.

Some of us have seen for themselves.

OK.
I don't mind as long as you don't try and force your belief onto me or
my child.
I cant believe in magical super beings that desire my worship. I cannot
do it - and if you *try* and force me it will only make me hate you.

I don't want to hate anybody.

One thing I am curious about - If you believe in God then why did God
make me (and people like me) so that I am incapable of believing in him?
If God exists then it is in his power to bring me to belief - and yet I
don't believe!
How can you deal with that?

Cheers, Mark.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:20:04 -0500, Bill <bigbill52@yuckawin.com> wrote:
- Refer: <pan.2007.06.13.22.18.34@yuckawin.com>

If anyone should be an atheist, it should be me. But I knew right from
the beginning that God is.

Why do you continue to lie through your teeth?

You are not acheiving anything, other than to expose your infantile meme
for what it is:
A mind-virus that turns it's hosts into liars, and supporters of
genocide.