Religions > Atheism > Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries
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04 Aug 2004 03:17:12 AM |
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Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
.. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
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Read the rest at http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
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04 Aug 2004 11:19:58 AM |
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"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had
with moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from
Clay Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She
defeated Bruce Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to
39 percent for Wyatt, according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed
debate on the board about what to teach students about evolution.
Wyatt is part of the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the
board in 2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's
science standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly
standards and said creationism should be discussed only when social
studies classes compare beliefs.
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Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004
/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last
part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's
science standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly
standards and said creationism should be discussed only when social
studies classes compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a
humanities class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in
practice when you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and
rhetoric). Not sure if anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school
boards? What's wrong with the state?
I still say it's time for someone in the USA to mount a class action
lawsuit against the principal creationist organizations for attempting to
suborn state and local governments into violating the constitutional
rights of US citizens. The class is potentially large and the cost would
tie up the assets of the religious right in the one venue where they
would actually have to put up or shut up. I also recommend trying to get
it before a judge who is not afraid to jail perjurers, regardless of
their religious motivation for their perjury.
And don't limit the testimony to creationists and scientists, but get
some good legal talent in there and some non-creationist clergy to point
out that having latter-day heresies taught at public expense is an
affront to their own professions and an abridgement of their own
constitutional right to freedom of religion.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "Alexander" |
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04 Aug 2004 04:05:53 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
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04 Aug 2004 05:40:08 AM |
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"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Isn't it Kansas that is described as the buckle on the Bible Belt? Or is
that some other state?
Local elections often have very low turnout. The question would be easier
to answer if a turnout percentage was available. A low turnout favours
those whose political campaign features a "get-out-the-vote" effort pushed
from the pulpit.
Good people can let bad things happen through inaction.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Harlequin" |
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05 Aug 2004 05:48:52 PM |
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"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in
news:ceqesk$l6q$1@titan.btinternet.com:
Isn't it Kansas that is described as the buckle on the Bible Belt? Or is
that some other state?
The state that most fits that description is the one immediately
to the South: Oklahoma which has the greatest percent of
fundies than any other. Don't worry ladies, if you have
had an abortion Dr. Tom Coburn will not have you executed
since it was not against the law back then. Coburn is more
likely than not the next senator for OK who is most famous
his calling NBC's airing _Schindler's List_ an "all-time low."
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Anti-spam: replace "usenet" with "harlequin2"
"Never trust anyone over 30 million."
- David Brin
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| User: "Alexander" |
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04 Aug 2004 05:52:31 AM |
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"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ceqesk$l6q$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed
debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part
of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the
board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's
science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards
and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's
science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards
and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a
humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice
when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Isn't it Kansas that is described as the buckle on the Bible Belt? Or is
that some other state?
No idea unforuntately - I knew it was probably one of the bible belt states
though
Local elections often have very low turnout. The question would be easier
to answer if a turnout percentage was available. A low turnout favours
those whose political campaign features a "get-out-the-vote" effort pushed
from the pulpit.
I've only got national scale figures for the general election. I suppose if
you have a proportionately high percentage of active creationists in a state
that has a low electoral turn out that this sort of thing will continue to
happen
Good people can let bad things happen through inaction.
Yup
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Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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04 Aug 2004 07:14:03 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 05:40:08 -0500, Mike Dworetsky wrote
(in article <ceqesk$l6q$1@titan.btinternet.com>):
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:PG2Qc.107$ZL1.51@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.co
m...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/931342
3.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Isn't it Kansas that is described as the buckle on the Bible Belt? Or is
that some other state?
Local elections often have very low turnout. The question would be easier
to answer if a turnout percentage was available. A low turnout favours
those whose political campaign features a "get-out-the-vote" effort pushed
from the pulpit.
Good people can let bad things happen through inaction.
In my case it was the idiot was in another district, otherwise I would have
voted against her.
Another problem (for getting out the vote) for many was the extreme heat
yesterday, not a lot of folks go out when the heat index is 107+ and high
humidity.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Your god wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
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05 Aug 2004 09:05:42 PM |
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"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<PG2Qc.107$ZL1.51@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>...
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Sadly, Kansas seems to be the buckle on the Bible Belt.
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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06 Aug 2004 05:46:30 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:05:42 +0000 (UTC),
username_not_found@yahoo.com.au (Kaiser Wilhelm III) wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<PG2Qc.107$ZL1.51@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>...
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Sadly, Kansas seems to be the buckle on the Bible Belt.
To look at some of these ultra-conservative creationist types running things in
Kansas, one would be hard pressed to deny that Dorothy accidentally brought some
of the flying monkeys back with her.
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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05 Aug 2004 10:05:46 PM |
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Kaiser Wilhelm III <username_not_found@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Sadly, Kansas seems to be the buckle on the Bible Belt.
Really? I would have thought it was the back part of the belt, a ways
above the arsehole.
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John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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06 Aug 2004 01:38:05 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Kaiser Wilhelm III <username_not_found@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Sadly, Kansas seems to be the buckle on the Bible Belt.
Really? I would have thought it was the back part of the belt, a ways
above the arsehole.
Having worked at Gary Works of US Steel in a former life, I used to say
that if God wanted to give the world an enema, this is where he would
stick the tube.
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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04 Aug 2004 07:09:24 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:05:53 -0500, Alexander wrote
(in article <PG2Qc.107$ZL1.51@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>):
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.co
m...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/931342
3.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
We have one Hel of a lot of morons living here.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"God hates figs."
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05 Aug 2004 09:09:08 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:05:53 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
<alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
My grandfather lived there. The town he lived in was a good 1/3 to
1/2 empty. Apparently all the people who could think moved away to
find jobs.
Interestingly enough, Kansas City is supposed to be the city with the
most millionaires. So, lots of idiots in the country and small town,
lots of big money in the single city of any size. Republican heaven.
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05 Aug 2004 09:31:03 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote:
Interestingly enough, Kansas City is supposed to be the city with the
most millionaires. So, lots of idiots in the country and small town,
lots of big money in the single city of any size. Republican heaven.
1. Most of Kansas City is in Missouri.
2. The Kansas part of the city is rather economically depressed.
3. Wichita is probably as large as, or larger than, the Kansas part of
Kansas City.
4. Topeka is a sizable city as well by any reasonable standard.
What all this means, I am not sure.
But it is true the majority of the state is almost purely agricultural,
where a town of 15,000 is considered a *large* town.
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The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Kate " |
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05 Aug 2004 03:16:17 PM |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Friesen
<sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
Interestingly enough, Kansas City is supposed to be the city with the
most millionaires. So, lots of idiots in the country and small town,
lots of big money in the single city of any size. Republican heaven.
1. Most of Kansas City is in Missouri.
2. The Kansas part of the city is rather economically depressed.
3. Wichita is probably as large as, or larger than, the Kansas part of
Kansas City.
4. Topeka is a sizable city as well by any reasonable standard.
What all this means, I am not sure.
But it is true the majority of the state is almost purely agricultural,
where a town of 15,000 is considered a *large* town.
eh, I had it backwards. You are right, most of KC is in MO the other
part is pretty 'bushleague'.
The other towns aren't that big. I grew up in South Dakota, and even
to me, they aren't sizable cities.
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05 Aug 2004 06:15:17 PM |
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Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
Interestingly enough, Kansas City is supposed to be the city with the
most millionaires. So, lots of idiots in the country and small town,
lots of big money in the single city of any size. Republican heaven.
1. Most of Kansas City is in Missouri.
2. The Kansas part of the city is rather economically depressed.
3. Wichita is probably as large as, or larger than, the Kansas part of
Kansas City.
4. Topeka is a sizable city as well by any reasonable standard.
I saw a news report that said the Topeka city fathers were seeking a new
slogan. Among the offerings were:
"Topeka - not as bad as it sounds" and
"At least you'll never be bothered by unwanted relatives"
What all this means, I am not sure.
But it is true the majority of the state is almost purely agricultural,
where a town of 15,000 is considered a *large* town.
Where I grew up, my *suburb* had 50,000 people. At the time, Tasmania
had about the same number.
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John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
05 Aug 2004 06:51:39 PM |
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Where I grew up, my *suburb* had 50,000 people. At the time, Tasmania
had about the same number.
I live in a suburb myself...the town of Amherst, NY. Population approximately
115,000. And we're nowhere near New York City.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "catshark" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 06:10:15 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:05:53 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
<alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
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Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
Neither plain-old biblical creationism nor "creation science" are going to
be taught in science classes, at least not for longer than it takes to get
the issue before a Federal District judge. OTOH, there are plenty of ways
to de-emphasize the teaching of evolution and to encourage districts and
teachers who don't want to teach it to either water it down or skip it all
together. Suits to enforce state standards (and a quick perusal of Kansas'
standards <http://www.ksde.org/outcomes/science_stds2001.pdf> don't show
them to be particularly strong) are *much* more problematical than simply
keeping creation science out of science classes. I don't know if the State
Board wants to get into the fiasco that occurred in 1999 again, but that
will just encourage them to be more . . . er . . . "creative" this time
around.
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric).
Maybe it is just my perception, but creationists of all stripes seem to be
rallying around ID more and more. Kansas might just be the place for them
to go for a test case. Putting in a philosophy course that deals with the
limitations of science and human certainty, either in or out of the science
curriculum would be hard to fight (and, depending on how it was handled,
possibly quite legitimate). If the creationists will accept ID-like
philosophy courses, that might be a way for them to go.
Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Hah! This is t.o. . . .
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
It's right in the heart of the country . . . in more ways than one?
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J. Pieret
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In the name of the bee
And of the butterfly
And of the breeze, amen
- Emily Dickinson -
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| User: "John Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 01:32:01 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
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Read the rest at http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
Perhaps real science teachers in Kansas can insist that the textbooks
contain a truely scientific theory of Creation and an explaination of
what Creation Science is good for. Something I've wanted to see for
years.
If it ever makes it to the textbooks it will be the shortest chapter.
JohnN
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| User: "Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 01:59:59 PM |
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"John Norris" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d43864a.0408041041.c027409@posting.google.com...
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
Perhaps real science teachers in Kansas can insist that the textbooks
contain a truely scientific theory of Creation and an explaination of
what Creation Science is good for. Something I've wanted to see for
years.
If it ever makes it to the textbooks it will be the shortest chapter.
Could you also introduce a similar commentary to the front of the Bible?
You know something along the lines of:
'In this book is the revealed truth of the word of God. Please understand
that while many of the stories and allegories within provide insight and
reflection of a spiritual nature, it's entirely possible that Buddha was in
fact right. For that matter a large number of other deities are also vying
for attention. If you cannot decide amongst the current pantheon then
perhaps returning to the Old Ones may be the only rational alternative.
Pray to Cthulhu to be eaten first. R'yleh f'tagn'
JohnN
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| User: "John Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
05 Aug 2004 08:04:58 AM |
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"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<iobQc.358$bi5.205@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>...
"John Norris" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d43864a.0408041041.c027409@posting.google.com...
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
Perhaps real science teachers in Kansas can insist that the textbooks
contain a truely scientific theory of Creation and an explaination of
what Creation Science is good for. Something I've wanted to see for
years.
If it ever makes it to the textbooks it will be the shortest chapter.
Could you also introduce a similar commentary to the front of the Bible?
You know something along the lines of:
'In this book is the revealed truth of the word of God. Please understand
that while many of the stories and allegories within provide insight and
reflection of a spiritual nature, it's entirely possible that Buddha was in
fact right. For that matter a large number of other deities are also vying
for attention. If you cannot decide amongst the current pantheon then
perhaps returning to the Old Ones may be the only rational alternative.
Pray to Cthulhu to be eaten first. R'yleh f'tagn'
I prefer: "Warning: Believing the contents of this Book could be
harmful to the civil rights of others. Use with extreme care."
Alexander, in your first post you wrote "Also - why is it always
Kansas that gets these people on school boards? What's wrong with the
state?".
Kansas has a direct link with the Land of OZ.
JohnN
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
05 Aug 2004 06:15:24 PM |
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John Norris <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
....
Alexander, in your first post you wrote "Also - why is it always
Kansas that gets these people on school boards? What's wrong with the
state?".
Kansas has a direct link with the Land of OZ.
Is *that* where we send them?
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "John Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
06 Aug 2004 09:32:11 PM |
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(John Wilkins) wrote in message news:<1gi38wk.7fzf7c1altv0qN%>...
John Norris <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
...
Alexander, in your first post you wrote "Also - why is it always
Kansas that gets these people on school boards? What's wrong with the
state?".
Kansas has a direct link with the Land of OZ.
Is *that* where we send them?
Yeah, but they keep finding their way back.
JohnN
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| User: "Cyde Weys" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 10:20:55 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
Well that sucks. What kind of recourse do concerned parents who live
in that area have? Did they basically lose the whole goat when this
***** got elected? Or do they have other means of recourse, like
going through the courts about the separation of church and state?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 07:44:29 PM |
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Cyde Weys wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's
science standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly
standards and said creationism should be discussed only when social
studies classes compare beliefs.
Well that sucks. What kind of recourse do concerned parents who live
in that area have? Did they basically lose the whole goat when this
***** got elected? Or do they have other means of recourse, like
going through the courts about the separation of church and state?
Translation: They're fucked. Now lay back and enjoy it.
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| User: "EjP" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Educationprimaries |
04 Aug 2004 01:59:48 PM |
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Mike Dworetsky wrote:
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:PG2Qc.107$ZL1.51@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408040421340.5450@computerroom.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The balance of power on the State Board of Education
swung
to the right, ending a two-year-old struggle conservatives had with
moderates.
In Tuesday's primary, Kathy Martin, a retired school teacher from Clay
Center, won the Republican primary in the 6th District. She defeated
Bruce
Wyatt of Salina, capturing 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent for
Wyatt,
according to unofficial results.
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the
two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate
on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Martin made issue of Wyatt's support for increased taxes to fund
elementary and secondary education, including a proposal from the board
in
2001 to increase spending by as much as $1 billion.
Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs.
-----------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9313423.htm
or http://tinyurl.com/6j8d2
J. Spaceman
Just wondered if Lenny and others had any thoughts about this last part:
" Martin also has argued that creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in science classes and advocates modifying the state's science
standards. Wyatt supports the current, evolution-friendly standards and
said creationism should be discussed only when social studies classes
compare beliefs."
I'm also not sure about the question of moving Creationism to a humanities
class (even if Wyatt had won) or whether this would work in practice when
you consider the actual Creationist agenda (and rhetoric). Not sure if
anyone has any views on this.
Also - why is it always Kansas that gets these people on school boards?
What's wrong with the state?
Isn't it Kansas that is described as the buckle on the Bible Belt? Or is
that some other state?
Just about every southern and southern-ish state has at one time
or another been referred to as "the buckle of the bible belt".
In case you haven't noticed, these people tend to be on the
plump side, so a few extra buckles are needed to keep the
belt from breaking :)
-E
Local elections often have very low turnout. The question would be easier
to answer if a turnout percentage was available. A low turnout favours
those whose political campaign features a "get-out-the-vote" effort pushed
from the pulpit.
Good people can let bad things happen through inaction.
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Conservatives prevail in State Board of Education primaries |
04 Aug 2004 05:56:55 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:17:12 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
. . .For the past two years, the board has been split 5-5 between the two
sides. The shift to the ideological right could ignite a renewed debate on
the board about what to teach students about evolution. Wyatt is part of
the board's moderate bloc.
Witholding knowledge from children because of your own ideological
superstitions. Sickos.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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