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12 Jan 2005 11:08:07 AM |
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Kansas: Public weighs in on science standards |
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared before the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship for their
beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of scientists
with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker with a
mortuary science degree. "Didn't we learn from Galileo that censorship is not
progress?"
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Read it at http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/192970
J. Spaceman
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12 Jan 2005 11:13:56 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker with
a
mortuary science degree.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wha' ? His science degree died and is currently in cold storage?
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12 Jan 2005 07:41:05 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared before
the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship for
their
beliefs to not be taught.
Perhaps there's room for a deal here. How about allowing the _scientific_
basis for creationism and intelligent design to be taught in the science
classes in return for allowing the atheist arguments against the existence
of God and a literal interpretation of the Bible to be taught in religious
education classes?
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists
with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
Aha! I notice she makes no mention of all the scientists _without_ PhDs!
What about them, eh? I bet there's millions of them that have absolutely
_no_ evidence of a Creator but she never mentions them, does she?
But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker with
a
mortuary science degree. "Didn't we learn from Galileo that censorship is
not
progress?"
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Refresh my memory, just _who_ was it that was "censoring" Galileo in the
1600s - all those nasty atheists?
Ian
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13 Jan 2005 02:31:13 PM |
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"Ian H Spedding" <harry@spedding53.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:AvOdndq3acW6l3jcRVn-2Q@rogers.com...
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared before
the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship for
their
beliefs to not be taught.
Perhaps there's room for a deal here. How about allowing the _scientific_
basis for creationism and intelligent design to be taught in the science
classes in return for allowing the atheist arguments against the existence
of God and a literal interpretation of the Bible to be taught in religious
education classes?
Sure. When some _scientific_ basis for either Creationism or ID is
found, I will have no objection to its being presented in a science
class.
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The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:22:05 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:AvOdndq3acW6l3jcRVn-2Q@rogers.com...
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared before
the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship for
their
beliefs to not be taught.
They could offer to teach them in courses on comparative religion, which is
where they belong.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists
with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
Why aren't any of these PhDs publishing their exciting and revolutionary
creationist discoveries in scientific journals? Or anywhere else other than
the captive presses of Answers in Genesis or Creation Science Institute?
How can secret evidence not published in refereed journals be taught in
public schools?
Did anyone on the BoE cross-examine this testimony?
But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker with
a
mortuary science degree. "Didn't we learn from Galileo that censorship is
not
progress?"
Good grief. What is "mortuary science"? Her qualifications entitle her to
prepare corpses for burial, not to expound on what science is about.
I believe John Baez's Crank Index allots 15 points for claiming that one's
case is like Galileo's because of persecution. Or is it more?
Ms Johnson needs to review her history of the Galileo affair, in which a
scientist published his observations, measurements and conclusions, which
revealed the truth about the nature of the planets and their orbits, but the
religious authorities decided it did not conform to their interpretation of
the Bible, and imprisoned him for life.
The difference here is that creation "scientists" have not published their
findings, have not done the experimements or observations, and base their
opinions on their interpretation of the Bible, not on science. So it is the
scientists of today who stand with Galileo, and the Ms Johnsons who stand
with the religious authorities who banned his works.
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Read it at http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/192970
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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12 Jan 2005 11:20:45 PM |
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In article <AvOdndq3acW6l3jcRVn-2Q@rogers.com>, Jason Spaceman
said...
"Didn't we learn from Galileo that censorship is not
progress?"
Yes, we learned that it's idiotic to discount science in favor
of religious dogma. Creationists, of course, have never learned
this, nor will they ever.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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12 Jan 2005 11:17:32 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared
before the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship
for their
beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists
with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were
the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker
with a
mortuary science degree.
Mortuary science?
"Didn't we learn from Galileo that censorship is not
progress?"
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Read it at http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/192970
J. Spaceman
--
My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email
sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
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| User: "Rik Grandia" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:16:19 PM |
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"Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote in message
news:1105529922.496200.253000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared
before the
Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it was censorship
for their
beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists
with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
But their "claims are as dogmatically and shamefully rejected as were
the
opposing views of Galileo's in the 1600s," said Johnson, a homemaker
with a
mortuary science degree.
Mortuary science?
It's a degree you earn by flogging a dead horse.
[snip]
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12 Jan 2005 08:03:15 PM |
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If it has "science" in its name it's not actually science. For
instance: mortuary science, political science, library science,
criminal science, fire science, computer science.
As worthy as they may be...
Kermit
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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12 Jan 2005 08:30:05 PM |
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In article <1105561488.930309.298380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
If it has "science" in its name it's not actually science. For
instance: mortuary science, political science, library science,
criminal science, fire science, computer science.
As worthy as they may be...
Kermit
You forgot Christian Science.
- Felix
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15 Jan 2005 04:25:04 AM |
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"You forgot Christian Science.
- Felix"
Actually, I thought of it, but I wanted to add that I believed the
others on the list were honorable and useful activities ;)
Kermit
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12 Jan 2005 08:41:37 PM |
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Double Felix wrote:
In article <1105561488.930309.298380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
If it has "science" in its name it's not actually science. For
instance: mortuary science, political science, library science,
criminal science, fire science, computer science.
As worthy as they may be...
Kermit
You forgot Christian Science.
- Felix
There was a time when I was considering embracing Christian Science.
But I healed myself.
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14 Jan 2005 08:39:19 AM |
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Indeed:
"All Science is Physics", anything else is stamp collecting"
A critique of taxa------- can't remember the rest, but it sums up
creatioism, creation science and ___________ pet theory.
Clifford M Dubery
Why has my theory of "The Hollow Earth" been so roundly rejected by the
scientific establishment?
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15 Jan 2005 01:16:07 AM |
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Clifford M Dubery <apollonius@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed:
"All Science is Physics", anything else is stamp collecting"
A critique of taxa------- can't remember the rest, but it sums up
creatioism, creation science and ___________ pet theory.
Clifford M Dubery
Why has my theory of "The Hollow Earth" been so roundly rejected by the
scientific establishment?
Ernst Rutherford, a Kiwi, which explains a lot...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:14:37 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared
before the Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it
was censorship for their beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
She is either lying or stupid.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
Do they even realise they are repeating transparent lies?
And it's pathetic that anybody is ignorant enough and stupid enough to
fall for it.
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| User: "Little Me" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:32:18 PM |
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Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared
before the Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it
was censorship for their beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
She is either lying or stupid.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
Do they even realise they are repeating transparent lies?
And it's pathetic that anybody is ignorant enough and stupid enough to
fall for it.
*ouch* LOL, cold and calculated! I loved it! *mental note, never argue
with him*
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being sarcastic
from now on
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12 Jan 2005 06:28:09 PM |
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"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:_59Fd.361$Om6.348@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
Creationism supporters say teaching only evolution is censorship
By Sarah Fox, Journal-World staff writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Supporters of creationism being taught in public schools appeared
before the Kansas State Board of Education on Tuesday and said it
was censorship for their beliefs to not be taught.
Celtie Johnson, of Prairie Village, told the board that hundreds of
scientists with Ph.D.s have scientific evidence of a creator.
She is either lying or stupid.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
Do they even realise they are repeating transparent lies?
And it's pathetic that anybody is ignorant enough and stupid enough to
fall for it.
*ouch* LOL, cold and calculated! I loved it! *mental note, never argue
with him*
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being sarcastic
from now on
I use <sarcasm> NOOOOOOoooooooo!!!! </sarcasm>
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13 Jan 2005 07:33:43 AM |
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She is either lying or stupid.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
Do they even realise they are repeating transparent lies?
And it's pathetic that anybody is ignorant enough and stupid enough to
fall for it.
*ouch* LOL, cold and calculated! I loved it! *mental note, never
argue
with him*
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being sarcastic
from now on
I use <sarcasm> NOOOOOOoooooooo!!!! </sarcasm>
hehehe
I am sure you dont, use it, at all, never, of course not ;-)
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16 Jan 2005 04:40:58 AM |
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"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:oQpFd.21$VE5.19@newsfe2-win.ntli.net:
She is either lying or stupid.
It's a pity they haven't bothered to publish this evidence.
Do they even realise they are repeating transparent lies?
And it's pathetic that anybody is ignorant enough and stupid
enough to fall for it.
*ouch* LOL, cold and calculated! I loved it! *mental note,
never
argue
with him*
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure
if I mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being
sarcastic from now on
I use <sarcasm> NOOOOOOoooooooo!!!! </sarcasm>
hehehe
I am sure you dont, use it, at all, never, of course not ;-)
Are you really truly sure?
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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12 Jan 2005 12:44:27 PM |
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TV's Little Me wrote:
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being sarcastic
from now on
I have a "dry" sense of humor, and often when cracking jokes I get funny
looks like I was serious or something. I've developed the habit of saying
"just kidding" after cracking one of these jokes.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Little Me" |
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12 Jan 2005 03:44:58 PM |
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Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being sarcastic
from now on
I have a "dry" sense of humor, and often when cracking jokes I get funny
looks like I was serious or something. I've developed the habit of saying
"just kidding" after cracking one of these jokes.
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LOL, I get the same thing
Blackadder, the League of Gentlemen, anything dark and sinister I love,
people just cannot always tell when I am joking, so when I am just messing I
am gonna have to say so *sigh* the written word is not half as cutting and
nasty as the spoken word, inflection is everything!
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12 Jan 2005 07:13:57 PM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's Little Me wrote:
Seriously no sarcasm, I know I am so sarky that people are not sure
if I
mean it or not, so I will put an indication of when I am being
sarcastic
from now on
I have a "dry" sense of humor, and often when cracking jokes I get
funny
looks like I was serious or something. I've developed the habit of
saying
"just kidding" after cracking one of these jokes.
Join the club. It's very frustrating that people don't appreciate a
dry sense of humor better. I get especially frustrated when I say
something that is patently absurd or silly and people just assume that
I'm being serious but stupid.
Von R. Smith
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| User: "Little Me" |
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13 Jan 2005 07:33:40 AM |
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Join the club. It's very frustrating that people don't appreciate a
dry sense of humor better. I get especially frustrated when I say
something that is patently absurd or silly and people just assume that
I'm being serious but stupid.
Von R. Smith
LOL generally Americans dont get dry humour at all, I have to avoid it at
all costs whenever I am in the States, so 8 weeks a year I have to hold it
in (is it all becoming clear now, why I like to use it when I am in the UK)?
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13 Jan 2005 09:49:40 AM |
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Little Me <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Join the club. It's very frustrating that people don't appreciate a
dry sense of humor better. I get especially frustrated when I say
something that is patently absurd or silly and people just assume that
I'm being serious but stupid.
Von R. Smith
LOL generally Americans dont get dry humour at all, I have to avoid it at
all costs whenever I am in the States, so 8 weeks a year I have to hold it
in (is it all becoming clear now, why I like to use it when I am in the UK)?
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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13 Jan 2005 09:08:29 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
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Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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15 Jan 2005 06:10:02 AM |
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In article <34o7j5F42ikt2U1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
< snip >
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
I learned it from Spider-Man comics. Is that higher-brow than the Simpsons?
- Felix
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16 Jan 2005 04:34:32 AM |
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Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in
news:nick-64FCD2.22315314012005@news.west.cox.net:
In article <34o7j5F42ikt2U1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
< snip >
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is
less good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to
comment that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think
Ian is an optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
I learned it from Spider-Man comics. Is that higher-brow than the
Simpsons?
- Felix
'bout the same. The satire in the Simpsons can be fairly intellectual.
Or not.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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17 Jan 2005 06:57:28 PM |
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Double Felix wrote:
In article <34o7j5F42ikt2U1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
< snip >
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
Ugh. I hesitate to repost my hideous grammar.
I learned it from Spider-Man comics. Is that higher-brow than the Simpsons?
It's certainly a better source of science education than the Bible.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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13 Jan 2005 10:24:57 PM |
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Tukla Ratte wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
< snip >
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
It's what you say about your complexion when you're not feeling too well.
Glenn Arnold
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14 Jan 2005 01:07:33 AM |
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TV's Glenn Arnold wrote:
Tukla Ratte wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
< snip >
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
It's what you say about your complexion when you're not feeling too well.
Or what you say after you've had one too many drinks. "I so toe up!"
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas: Public weighs in on science standards |
14 Jan 2005 01:14:39 AM |
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towelie <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Glenn Arnold wrote:
Tukla Ratte wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
< snip >
Ian Musgrave (Australian, which is good, Queenslander, which is less
good, smarter than I am, which is Very Bad) has been known to comment
that Maericans think irony is an isotope of iron. I think Ian is an
optimist.
He sure is. I doubt that most Americans have ever heard the word
"isotope" outside of The Simpsons, much less tell you what it means.
It's what you say about your complexion when you're not feeling too well.
Or what you say after you've had one too many drinks. "I so toe up!"
Or "I sot. O, pee!"
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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