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04 Apr 2005 05:48:28 AM |
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Kansas again! This time about gays. |
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the "rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
A rally Sunday was expected to draw people from around the state to
Kansas City.
"We don't want same-sex unions to be considered equal to marriage," said
Mike Farmer, Kansas Catholic Conference executive director. "Where does
it end? Any two people, any three people, any four people? People who
believe in traditional marriage want to do everything they can to
protect it."
Opponents say the measure does not do anything to protect marriage and
is purely discriminatory.
"We don't see anything about prohibiting adultery. This message about
protecting marriage just rings hollow," said Bruce Ney, chairman of
Kansans for Fairness, a coalition opposing the amendment. "This message
is about hate."
The opposition is holding its own rally on Sunday and has lined up
nearly 100 clergy who say the measure violates Christian teachings. Yet
they've raised only about $35,000, and they're prepared for a loss.
"We'll lose. But it's not right," said the Rev. Robert Meneilly, a
retired Presbyterian minister who opposes the amendment. "If we believe
that we are made in God's likeness, we all need to be respected and
treated the same."
PUBLIC POLICY, BIBLICAL BELIEFS
Kansas would become the 18th state to ban gay marriage through state
constitutional amendment. Thirteen states passed similar amendments last
year, and conservative Christians have cited the efforts as key in
shaping public policy.
Indeed, conservatives have criticized President Bush for not pushing
hard enough to pass an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. His quest for
the amendment failed last year in Congress.
It is not just Kansans active in the Kansas vote. The Knights of
Columbus of New Haven, Connecticut, donated $100,000. The
Washington-based group Concerned Women for America, which aims to push
biblical teachings in public policy, as well as the Coalition of
African-American Pastors from Tennessee, are helping lead Sunday's rally.
Movement leaders say they have to pursue constitutional amendments to
prevent a liberal judiciary from legalizing homosexual unions.
"If a culture cannot define and protect basic relationships such as
marriage then that culture will, I believe, find itself drifting further
into chaos and confusion," said Pastor J.K. Warrick of the College
Church of the Nazarene in Olathe, Kansas.
As the vote nears, the debate is intensifying as once-private sentiments
surface between neighbors, church members, doctors and patients, and
parents on playgrounds.
"God loves all of us and we are all sinners. We have no right to say
this particular sin has to be targeted," said 54-year-old Linda Stoker,
a married mother from Johnson County who plans to vote against the
amendment.
Not so, said Yvonne DiFalco, another Johnson County married mother who
planted a pro-amendment sign in her yard.
"As a decent society, we want people to know they are loved," said
DiFalco. "But we will not waltz them into a life of hell."
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&ncid=584&e=6&u=/nm/20
050402/pl_nm/life_gaymarriage_dc
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
04 Apr 2005 05:20:04 PM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the "rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
Aww the little bigots have missed the point - isn't it cute!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
06 Apr 2005 05:28:15 AM |
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In article <d2rt04$d60$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
---
Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the "rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
Aww the little bigots have missed the point - isn't it cute!
They always do.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
07 Apr 2005 04:48:08 PM |
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
---
Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the "rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
Aww the little bigots have missed the point - isn't it cute!
Kansas standard practice.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
06 Apr 2005 03:59:57 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Indeed. My favorite bumper sticker from that area:
"Kansas- as bigoted as you thought!"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
06 Apr 2005 05:21:00 AM |
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In article <eeKdneivu4q1w87fRVn-rA@giganews.com>,
"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Indeed. My favorite bumper sticker from that area:
"Kansas- as bigoted as you thought!"
One of my favorite cartoons was drawn during the Evolution controversy a
few years back. It showed a car which had just crossed over the state
line into Kansas and the passengers talking to a chimpanzee dressed as a
farmer holding a pitchfork in a field. The chimp is explaining to the
out of staters: "Here in Kansas we don't believe in evolution."
Not scientifically accurate, but funny.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas again! This time about gays. |
06 Apr 2005 05:59:35 AM |
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:59:57 -0400, "Mark Stahl"
<stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-D831E8.22482803042005@news.giganews.com...
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Indeed. My favorite bumper sticker from that area:
"Kansas- as bigoted as you thought!"
The sad thing is that Kansas was born in a bloody little fight known
as Bleeding Kansas.
Pro-slavery forces from Missouri poured into the portion of the
Nebraska Territory which was to become Kansas and rigged the vote.
Anti-slavery settlers fought back.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2952.html
I guess the Missourians have finally won.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "JohnN" |
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04 Apr 2005 07:07:22 PM |
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johac wrote:
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
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Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas
this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas
scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban
same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the
"rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more
than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled
bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
IF they really wanted to rotect marriage they would outlaw divorce.
the couple is married until death due them part or a rabble of
self-rightous bigots demonstrates in front of the hospice.
A rally Sunday was expected to draw people from around the state to
Kansas City.
"We don't want same-sex unions to be considered equal to marriage,"
said
Mike Farmer, Kansas Catholic Conference executive director. "Where
does
it end? Any two people, any three people, any four people? People who
believe in traditional marriage want to do everything they can to
protect it."
I bet Mike Farmer can not tell us how he or any Christian would be
harmed by a same-gender civil marriage. I want him to tell us exactly
what a traditional marriage is and when it became THE traditional
marriage. Is the first, second, or third marriage the traditional one?
Opponents say the measure does not do anything to protect marriage
and
is purely discriminatory.
"We don't see anything about prohibiting adultery. This message about
protecting marriage just rings hollow," said Bruce Ney, chairman of
Kansans for Fairness, a coalition opposing the amendment. "This
message
is about hate."
What about outlawing divorce?
The opposition is holding its own rally on Sunday and has lined up
nearly 100 clergy who say the measure violates Christian teachings.
Yet
they've raised only about $35,000, and they're prepared for a loss.
"We'll lose. But it's not right," said the Rev. Robert Meneilly, a
retired Presbyterian minister who opposes the amendment. "If we
believe
that we are made in God's likeness, we all need to be respected and
treated the same."
Not so, said Yvonne DiFalco, another Johnson County married mother
who
planted a pro-amendment sign in her yard.
"As a decent society, we want people to know they are loved," said
DiFalco. "But we will not waltz them into a life of hell."
A decent society would outlaw drinkin', smokin', card playin',
swearin', dancin', and women who wear their dresses above their ankles.
Here we are in the threshold of the 21st century and these throwbacks
are draging us back into the 19th.
JohnN
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| User: "johac" |
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06 Apr 2005 05:27:03 AM |
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In article <1112641642.762481.101580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
---
Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas
this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas
scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban
same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the
"rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more
than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled
bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
IF they really wanted to rotect marriage they would outlaw divorce.
the couple is married until death due them part or a rabble of
self-rightous bigots demonstrates in front of the hospice.
A rally Sunday was expected to draw people from around the state to
Kansas City.
"We don't want same-sex unions to be considered equal to marriage,"
said
Mike Farmer, Kansas Catholic Conference executive director. "Where
does
it end? Any two people, any three people, any four people? People who
believe in traditional marriage want to do everything they can to
protect it."
I bet Mike Farmer can not tell us how he or any Christian would be
harmed by a same-gender civil marriage. I want him to tell us exactly
what a traditional marriage is and when it became THE traditional
marriage. Is the first, second, or third marriage the traditional one?
Opponents say the measure does not do anything to protect marriage
and
is purely discriminatory.
"We don't see anything about prohibiting adultery. This message about
protecting marriage just rings hollow," said Bruce Ney, chairman of
Kansans for Fairness, a coalition opposing the amendment. "This
message
is about hate."
What about outlawing divorce?
The opposition is holding its own rally on Sunday and has lined up
nearly 100 clergy who say the measure violates Christian teachings.
Yet
they've raised only about $35,000, and they're prepared for a loss.
"We'll lose. But it's not right," said the Rev. Robert Meneilly, a
retired Presbyterian minister who opposes the amendment. "If we
believe
that we are made in God's likeness, we all need to be respected and
treated the same."
Not so, said Yvonne DiFalco, another Johnson County married mother
who
planted a pro-amendment sign in her yard.
"As a decent society, we want people to know they are loved," said
DiFalco. "But we will not waltz them into a life of hell."
A decent society would outlaw drinkin', smokin', card playin',
swearin', dancin', and women who wear their dresses above their ankles.
You touched on a good point. If people want to outlaw some action, I
think that they have a burden of proof that such as action is hurtful or
harmful to another's rights. I have yet to have anyone explain to me how
someone is harmed if two men or two women decide to marry. Who is hurt?
Where is the injury?
Here we are in the threshold of the 21st century and these throwbacks
are draging us back into the 19th.
At least. I think that some of these people would like to go back to the
middle ages where they could freely burn witches and heretics again.
JohnN
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Apr 2005 04:49:07 PM |
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On 4 Apr 2005 12:07:22 -0700, "JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
Maybe we should just build a high fence around this state and give it
its independence.
---
Kansans Debate Marriage, Gays and God Before Vote
Sat Apr 2,10:11 AM ET
By Carey Gillam
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (Reuters) - Marriage is the big topic in Kansas
this
weekend. Yard signs are up, radio ads are running and a "Mayday for
Marriage" rally planned.
Following the lead of more than a dozen other states, Kansas
scheduled a
vote Tuesday on whether to amend the state constitution to ban
same-sex
couples from marrying. One of the toughest in the nation, Kansas'
proposed ban also would prevent gays from receiving any of the
"rights
and incidents" of marriage.
A coalition of Christian clergy from across the state are backing the
ban, with help from out-of-state supporters. They have raised more
than
$125,000 and are blanketing communities with symbols of a veiled
bride
and tuxedo-wearing groom and repeating whenever they can the mantra
"Protect Marriage."
IF they really wanted to rotect marriage they would outlaw divorce.
the couple is married until death due them part or a rabble of
self-rightous bigots demonstrates in front of the hospice.
A rally Sunday was expected to draw people from around the state to
Kansas City.
"We don't want same-sex unions to be considered equal to marriage,"
said
Mike Farmer, Kansas Catholic Conference executive director. "Where
does
it end? Any two people, any three people, any four people? People who
believe in traditional marriage want to do everything they can to
protect it."
I bet Mike Farmer can not tell us how he or any Christian would be
harmed by a same-gender civil marriage. I want him to tell us exactly
what a traditional marriage is and when it became THE traditional
marriage. Is the first, second, or third marriage the traditional one?
Opponents say the measure does not do anything to protect marriage
and
is purely discriminatory.
"We don't see anything about prohibiting adultery. This message about
protecting marriage just rings hollow," said Bruce Ney, chairman of
Kansans for Fairness, a coalition opposing the amendment. "This
message
is about hate."
What about outlawing divorce?
The opposition is holding its own rally on Sunday and has lined up
nearly 100 clergy who say the measure violates Christian teachings.
Yet
they've raised only about $35,000, and they're prepared for a loss.
"We'll lose. But it's not right," said the Rev. Robert Meneilly, a
retired Presbyterian minister who opposes the amendment. "If we
believe
that we are made in God's likeness, we all need to be respected and
treated the same."
Not so, said Yvonne DiFalco, another Johnson County married mother
who
planted a pro-amendment sign in her yard.
"As a decent society, we want people to know they are loved," said
DiFalco. "But we will not waltz them into a life of hell."
A decent society would outlaw drinkin', smokin', card playin',
swearin', dancin', and women who wear their dresses above their ankles.
Here we are in the threshold of the 21st century and these throwbacks
are draging us back into the 19th.
13th, if not further back.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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