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05 Mar 2006 07:51:27 PM |
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Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God’s work |
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/14013410.htm
Kansas City Star
March 4, 2006
Birth control prevents God’s work
By Kristin Knight, Special to The Star
Karin McAdams, in response to Laura Scott’s column on family planning,
poses an honest question about “what objections, perhaps biblical,
perhaps otherwise” people have for discouraging artificial means of
birth control (Letters 2/15).
Although many Christians may point to the Genesis account of Onan and
many Catholics may point to papal encyclicals, most notably Humane
Vitae, the whole biblical tradition reveals that God has intended for
sex to be a marriage act that is open to, or at least not deliberately
closed off to, the transmission of life.
By using contraception, you prevent God’s creative power in bringing
forth new life. Sex is a complete self-giving love you pledge to your
spouse within marriage, and contraception destroys the unitive and
procreative qualities of sex. Pleasure is not the purpose of sex —
it’s the motive or consequence.
Our culture has now put pleasure at the center of everything, and we
speak of human sexuality in such animalistic ways — as though we can’t
control ourselves, waiting for marriage, waiting for stable economic
circumstances, waiting to have sex until we are ready to be open to
life.
Self-control or temperance is a Christian virtue, and by practicing
modern, effective methods of natural family planning by having
periodic abstinence, you can postpone pregnancy if necessary in a
healthy, inexpensive, fulfilling way as you embrace chastity
appropriate for your stage in life.
As for McAdams’ concern that it’s so “expensive” and “difficult” to
raise a child today as opposed to former generations of women with
more children than today’s modern moms, I think again that pleasure —
and its good ally, materialism — is at the heart of this notion. Our
society in general promotes two-income households with more stuff in
them than prior generations ever dreamed of having.
The concept of sacrifice has been replaced with stuff, stuff and more
stuff as our children are raised in day-care centers and our elderly
are shuttled off to nursing homes. Our value for life at both ends of
the spectrum has diminished in our society, where life is measured by
its contribution, not its intrinsic worth, and where some work so hard
to safeguard methods to prevent pregnancies while never accepting that
we have the controls already to prevent pregnancies naturally through
abstinence and chastity.
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Kristin Knight is the mother of four children. She lives in Olathe.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God’s work |
05 Mar 2006 08:28:57 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, reeder poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/14013410.htm
Kansas City Star
March 4, 2006
Birth control prevents God’s work
By Kristin Knight, Special to The Star
You can start by demonstrating the existence of a deity.
Any deity.
Regards,
Josef
I don't pretend to know what ignorant men are sure of.
-- Clarence Darrow
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| User: "Jubi" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God’s work |
05 Mar 2006 07:56:04 PM |
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Preventing conception is slightly different then aborting a fertilized
egg.
Right? Wrong? What do you all think?
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents =?iso-8859-1?b?R29kknM=?= work |
06 Mar 2006 05:11:14 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:56:04 +0000, Jubi wrote:
Preventing conception is slightly different then aborting a fertilized
egg.
Right? Wrong? What do you all think?
only about 50% of all conceptions result in a living baby being born. Most
of the other 50% are spontaneously aborted, with a large proportion of
those without the woman ever knowing she had conceived.
--
phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God’s work |
09 Mar 2006 02:04:30 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:56:04 GMT, Jubi <Mal@Mick.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Preventing conception is slightly different then aborting a fertilized
egg.
Just as clipping a hangnail is.
Right? Wrong? What do you all think?
What matters is what the pregnant lady thinks.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God’s work |
06 Mar 2006 01:33:44 PM |
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news:4i5n02l2tcm7bgsdkvlj00v3jn12bj6t1h@4ax.com by Jubi:
Preventing conception is slightly different then aborting a fertilized
egg.
Right? Wrong? What do you all think?
Almost all birth control (other than barrier methods) works by preventing
implatation after an ovum is fertilized.
--
Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
Å vite hva man ikke vet,
er også en slags allvitenhet.
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| User: "friendlyostrich" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
06 Mar 2006 05:22:52 PM |
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so condoms would be okay!
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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08 Mar 2006 03:30:34 PM |
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news:1141687372.125142.256750@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com by
friendlyostrich:
so condoms would be okay!
I dunno. The Pope still has a problem with them.
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Ferrous (who knows a straight line when he sees one) Patella
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
Å vite hva man ikke vet,
er også en slags allvitenhet.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qk9CT0JPbm9CT64=?=" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
06 Mar 2006 04:10:34 PM |
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reeder wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/14013410.htm
Kansas City Star
March 4, 2006
Birth control prevents God's work
By Kristin Knight, Special to The Star
Karin McAdams, in response to Laura Scott's column on family planning,
poses an honest question about "what objections, perhaps biblical,
perhaps otherwise" people have for discouraging artificial means of
birth control (Letters 2/15).
Although many Christians may point to the Genesis account of Onan and
many Catholics may point to papal encyclicals, most notably Humane
Vitae, the whole biblical tradition reveals that God has intended for
sex to be a marriage act that is open to, or at least not deliberately
closed off to, the transmission of life.
By using contraception, you prevent God's creative power in bringing
forth new life. Sex is a complete self-giving love you pledge to your
spouse within marriage, and contraception destroys the unitive and
procreative qualities of sex. Pleasure is not the purpose of sex -
it's the motive or consequence.
I enjoy eating *****. That's naughty, isn't it?
--Bryan
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
06 Mar 2006 04:18:23 PM |
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BOBOBOnoBO=AE wrote:
I enjoy eating *****. That's naughty, isn't it?
How dare you speak about womens 'dirty bits' - I should report you to
the commisars of the church of faith, healing, reproduction and sex
matters for abstinence.
What next... you enjoy eating dogs c#cks as well? Shame on you sir!
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
06 Mar 2006 04:35:17 PM |
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<connor_a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141683503.558318.65580@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
BOBOBOnoBO® wrote:
I enjoy eating *****. That's naughty, isn't it?
How dare you speak about womens 'dirty bits' - I should report you to
the commisars of the church of faith, healing, reproduction and sex
matters for abstinence.
What next... you enjoy eating dogs c#cks as well? Shame on you sir!
Isn't the clitoris that little dangly thing in the back of you throat?
:)
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| User: "friendlyostrich" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
06 Mar 2006 05:26:13 PM |
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Boy. I thought you were kidding, but I guess you aren't. Who the h#ch
are the "commisars of the church of faith, healing, reproduction and
sex matters for abstinence"?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
09 Mar 2006 02:06:01 PM |
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On 6 Mar 2006 15:26:13 -0800, "friendlyostrich" <hansfcox@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Boy. I thought you were kidding, but I guess you aren't. Who the h#ch
are the "commisars of the church of faith, healing, reproduction and
sex matters for abstinence"?
King George and his sychophants, of course.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Kansas City Star: Birth control prevents God's work |
09 Mar 2006 02:05:06 PM |
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On 6 Mar 2006 14:10:34 -0800, "BOBOBOnoBO®" <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
in alt.atheism
reeder wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/14013410.htm
Kansas City Star
March 4, 2006
Birth control prevents God's work
By Kristin Knight, Special to The Star
Karin McAdams, in response to Laura Scott's column on family planning,
poses an honest question about "what objections, perhaps biblical,
perhaps otherwise" people have for discouraging artificial means of
birth control (Letters 2/15).
Although many Christians may point to the Genesis account of Onan and
many Catholics may point to papal encyclicals, most notably Humane
Vitae, the whole biblical tradition reveals that God has intended for
sex to be a marriage act that is open to, or at least not deliberately
closed off to, the transmission of life.
By using contraception, you prevent God's creative power in bringing
forth new life. Sex is a complete self-giving love you pledge to your
spouse within marriage, and contraception destroys the unitive and
procreative qualities of sex. Pleasure is not the purpose of sex -
it's the motive or consequence.
I enjoy eating *****. That's naughty, isn't it?
Only if it hasn't had a bath in several months.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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