Religions > Atheism > Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
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Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards |
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
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Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
By Joseph Kay
12 November 2005
The Kansas Board of Education voted on November 8 to adopt science
standards that seek to undermine the teaching of biological evolution in
public schools. The move is the latest in a series of attempts to promote
religious conceptions in the public classroom, a violation of the
constitutional separation of church and state.
The board voted 6-4 for the new standards, which were written in
coordination with advocates for “intelligent design,” a conception that
seeks to cloak creationism and Christian fundamentalism in
pseudo-scientific rhetoric. In August, President Bush called for the
teaching of intelligent design alongside evolution in public schools.
This is the second time in six years that the Kansas school board has
attempted to revise the state’s science standards to attack evolution. In
1999, the board eliminated all reference to evolution in the standards;
however, the original standards were reinstated after a new board was
elected in 2001.
In 2004, religious conservatives regained control of the school board. This
time, in line with the strategy of intelligent design advocates, the Kansas
board did not explicitly endorse the teaching of any specific alternative
to evolution, nor did it remove all references to evolution. Instead, it
said students should be told about the “controversial” aspects of the
modern theory of evolution, its supposed inconsistencies and inadequacies.
Intelligent design advocates intend the “teach the controversy” campaign to
be a wedge that will open the way for more-explicit religious conceptions.
[snip]
Phillip Johnson, one of the founders of the intelligent design movement,
explained the logic of the movement as follows: “The first thing you
understand is that the Darwinian theory isn’t true,” he said at a 1999
conference entitled “Reclaiming American for Christ.” “It’s falsified by
all of the evidence and the logic is terrible. When you realize that, the
next question that occurs to you is, well, where might you get the
truth?... I start with John 1:1. In the beginning was the word. In the
beginning was intelligence, purpose, and wisdom. The Bible had that right.
And the materialist scientists are deluding themselves.”
This so-called “wedge” strategy to introduce biblical teachings into public
schools is designed to circumvent Supreme Court rulings that have
explicitly asserted that the teaching creationism in public schools is
unconstitutional.
The agenda of Christian fundamentalism exerts a degree of control over the
political establishment that far exceeds the level of support that it has
within the population as a whole. The general popular hostility to these
forces was evident last week in Dover, Pennsylvania, where voters elected
to oust all eight members of the Dover School Board, who were responsible
for that district’s pro-intelligent design science standards.
[snip]
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15 Nov 2005 12:34:46 AM |
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
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Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Nov 2005 12:35:36 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:13:13 AM |
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In article <t9bin19i7c4qtm9nemvc8p6233fm76obcc@4ax.com> Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> writes:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I'd just call many of them .... uninformed.
Of coure, willful ignorance is the worst sort
of ignorance.
-- cary
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:27:07 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:13:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <t9bin19i7c4qtm9nemvc8p6233fm76obcc@4ax.com> Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> writes:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I'd just call many of them .... uninformed.
Of coure, willful ignorance is the worst sort
of ignorance.
What the poster wrote wasn't uninformed ignorance - it was slander.
-- cary
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| User: "tightwad" |
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15 Nov 2005 02:39:33 AM |
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I really value your opinion! Not!
Just like the rending of time and space to be reborn in another "Big
Bang" it is foolishness. It is derision. It is unguided and
unreasonable, baseless ramblings of mad men.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:55:29 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:39:33 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
I really value your opinion! Not!
Just like the rending of time and space to be reborn in another "Big
Bang" it is foolishness. It is derision. It is unguided and
unreasonable, baseless ramblings of mad men.
When do you intend to publish your work?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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15 Nov 2005 10:26:00 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:35:36 -0600, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I suggest that many, many, many of the believers in Creationism
are totally and completely sincere. I realize that is blasphemy for
some but, in my opinion, "lying" is an intentional statement of a
known false statement. [Humorously enough, I have had
"fundamentalists" attack that position as it being "situational
ethics".]
That is, "lying" and "being wrong" are not two separate categories
but equivalent to each other as "5:37 But let your communication
be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil."
I certainly /do/ recognize that much of the fundamentalist
leadership appears to be con-men (con-persons?) and the most
important thing to these thugs is separating the mark from her/his
money and power.
Or:
The Bible is not a history textbook.
The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible does not contain all "good guys".
The Bible is not a lever to separate a mark from [see above].
The Bible is not totally the province of con-men (-persons).
The Bible is stories of characters who deal with with life in their
evil and some overcoming of evil.
The Bible is not choked full of "perfect" people! Even the
characters who are royalty, show the "lack of perfection" and quite
a few of them display the basest evils.
In the so-called New Testament, words by Saul-Paul show that words
by someone who never knew Jesus in his life on Earth can be screwed
up just like our words.
If someone claims to be a "Christian" and quotes any other person
in the Testaments than Jesus, lock your doors and keep a good watch
on your wallet/purse as well as your teenaged children.
For many are called, but most of them simply steal the silverware,
embroidered towels and ashtrays.
Gray
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| User: "thomas p" |
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16 Nov 2005 09:42:00 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:26:00 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:35:36 -0600, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I suggest that many, many, many of the believers in Creationism
are totally and completely sincere. I realize that is blasphemy for
some but, in my opinion, "lying" is an intentional statement of a
known false statement. [Humorously enough, I have had
"fundamentalists" attack that position as it being "situational
ethics".]
That is, "lying" and "being wrong" are not two separate categories
but equivalent to each other as "5:37 But let your communication
be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil."
I certainly /do/ recognize that much of the fundamentalist
leadership appears to be con-men (con-persons?) and the most
important thing to these thugs is separating the mark from her/his
money and power.
Or:
The Bible is not a history textbook.
The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible does not contain all "good guys".
The Bible is not a lever to separate a mark from [see above].
The Bible is not totally the province of con-men (-persons).
The Bible is stories of characters who deal with with life in their
evil and some overcoming of evil.
The Bible is not choked full of "perfect" people! Even the
characters who are royalty, show the "lack of perfection" and quite
a few of them display the basest evils.
In the so-called New Testament, words by Saul-Paul show that words
by someone who never knew Jesus in his life on Earth can be screwed
up just like our words.
If someone claims to be a "Christian" and quotes any other person
in the Testaments than Jesus, lock your doors and keep a good watch
on your wallet/purse as well as your teenaged children.
Since the Bible has all the imperfections that you mention, why should
you except something just because the book says Jesus said it?
Furthermore why should you accept that Jesus is special, after all it
is the book that tells you he is - the imperfect book. In trying to
separate yourself from the loonies and the swindlers, you have also
made the book what it, in fact, is - a collection of writings by men a
very long time ago full of nonsense, poor history and not particularly
original moral concepts. I
For many are called, but most of them simply steal the silverware,
embroidered towels and ashtrays.
Gray
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:17:01 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:42:00 -0600, thomas p wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:26:00 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:35:36 -0600, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I suggest that many, many, many of the believers in Creationism
are totally and completely sincere. I realize that is blasphemy for
some but, in my opinion, "lying" is an intentional statement of a
known false statement. [Humorously enough, I have had
"fundamentalists" attack that position as it being "situational
ethics".]
That is, "lying" and "being wrong" are not two separate categories
but equivalent to each other as "5:37 But let your communication
be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil."
I certainly /do/ recognize that much of the fundamentalist
leadership appears to be con-men (con-persons?) and the most
important thing to these thugs is separating the mark from her/his
money and power.
Or:
The Bible is not a history textbook.
The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible does not contain all "good guys".
The Bible is not a lever to separate a mark from [see above].
The Bible is not totally the province of con-men (-persons).
The Bible is stories of characters who deal with with life in their
evil and some overcoming of evil.
The Bible is not choked full of "perfect" people! Even the
characters who are royalty, show the "lack of perfection" and quite
a few of them display the basest evils.
In the so-called New Testament, words by Saul-Paul show that words
by someone who never knew Jesus in his life on Earth can be screwed
up just like our words.
If someone claims to be a "Christian" and quotes any other person
in the Testaments than Jesus, lock your doors and keep a good watch
on your wallet/purse as well as your teenaged children.
Since the Bible has all the imperfections that you mention, why should
you except something just because the book says Jesus said it?
Because I have few problems with those who are attempting - to
their best ability - to be "Christ-like" in their actions.
I also have very few problems with those who emulate the Buddha and
quite a bit of those other religionists or philosophies.
If I would claim First Amendment "rights", I must not deny them to
others.
If someone is "busy being born", I applaud them and I'll buy the
coffee.
I don't think that the way that I live my life is, necessarily, the
way that everyone should live theirs. "Leave others their
otherness."
Furthermore why should you accept that Jesus is special, after all it
is the book that tells you he is - the imperfect book.
And?
The history of North Carolina is imperfect but my Grandmother lived
there and she lived - as far as I can tell - a life that was
without contradiction and with caring for others. Very quietly, she
practised living her life emulating the red words in the Christian
Book of the Dead.
I didn't and don't choose Christianity, quite simply, because it
does not reflect my beliefs and morals; obviously, so equally
obviously, because I've changed my belief structure over the years,
I'm more than hesitant, to reject others' beliefs because they are
different from mine.
My example is Jesus, simply, because I was raised a Christian and
it is that organized religion with which I'm most familiar. I
walked out of Christianity in March of 1969 and I haven't been
back. The four or so times I've been closest to death - twice by
communists, once by nazis and once by spinal meningitis - I didn't
pray - because I don't have any imagined friends - never did.
I would like to state that - in a foxhole with six people in it -
five of the six were either atheists or agnostics - but - sigh - I
can't. It was a drainage ditch rather than a "foxhole".
In trying to
separate yourself from the loonies and the swindlers,
Oh, there are hundreds - more likely, thousands - of people who are
thoroughly and totally convinced that I am a stark, raving lunatic.
(and they've got proof!)
you have also
made the book what it, in fact, is - a collection of writings by men a
very long time ago full of nonsense, poor history and not particularly
original moral concepts. I
Uh-huh. Personally, I find the novels by Lois McMaster Bujold and
Frank Herbert to be much more moral than the Christian Book of the
Dead but I'm not trying to cram them down anyone's throat.
For many are called, but most of them simply steal the silverware,
embroidered towels and ashtrays.
Gray
redux .sig
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:32:42 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BFA0EFDD00181471F0284550@news.giganews.com> writes:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:42:00 -0600, thomas p wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:26:00 -0600, Gray Shockley
< > wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:35:36 -0600, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I suggest that many, many, many of the believers in Creationism
are totally and completely sincere. I realize that is blasphemy for
some but, in my opinion, "lying" is an intentional statement of a
known false statement. [Humorously enough, I have had
"fundamentalists" attack that position as it being "situational
ethics".]
That is, "lying" and "being wrong" are not two separate categories
but equivalent to each other as "5:37 But let your communication
be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil."
I certainly /do/ recognize that much of the fundamentalist
leadership appears to be con-men (con-persons?) and the most
important thing to these thugs is separating the mark from her/his
money and power.
Or:
The Bible is not a history textbook.
The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible does not contain all "good guys".
The Bible is not a lever to separate a mark from [see above].
The Bible is not totally the province of con-men (-persons).
The Bible is stories of characters who deal with with life in their
evil and some overcoming of evil.
The Bible is not choked full of "perfect" people! Even the
characters who are royalty, show the "lack of perfection" and quite
a few of them display the basest evils.
In the so-called New Testament, words by Saul-Paul show that words
by someone who never knew Jesus in his life on Earth can be screwed
up just like our words.
If someone claims to be a "Christian" and quotes any other person
in the Testaments than Jesus, lock your doors and keep a good watch
on your wallet/purse as well as your teenaged children.
Since the Bible has all the imperfections that you mention, why should
you except something just because the book says Jesus said it?
Because I have few problems with those who are attempting - to
their best ability - to be "Christ-like" in their actions.
I also have very few problems with those who emulate the Buddha and
quite a bit of those other religionists or philosophies.
If I would claim First Amendment "rights", I must not deny them to
others.
If someone is "busy being born", I applaud them and I'll buy the
coffee.
I don't think that the way that I live my life is, necessarily, the
way that everyone should live theirs. "Leave others their
otherness."
Furthermore why should you accept that Jesus is special, after all it
is the book that tells you he is - the imperfect book.
And?
The history of North Carolina is imperfect but my Grandmother lived
there and she lived - as far as I can tell - a life that was
without contradiction and with caring for others. Very quietly, she
practised living her life emulating the red words in the Christian
Book of the Dead.
I didn't and don't choose Christianity, quite simply, because it
does not reflect my beliefs and morals; obviously, so equally
obviously, because I've changed my belief structure over the years,
I'm more than hesitant, to reject others' beliefs because they are
different from mine.
My example is Jesus, simply, because I was raised a Christian and
it is that organized religion with which I'm most familiar. I
walked out of Christianity in March of 1969 and I haven't been
back. The four or so times I've been closest to death - twice by
communists, once by nazis and once by spinal meningitis - I didn't
pray - because I don't have any imagined friends - never did.
I would like to state that - in a foxhole with six people in it -
five of the six were either atheists or agnostics - but - sigh - I
can't. It was a drainage ditch rather than a "foxhole".
Certainly the philosophical, existential, and adrenal equivalent.
It's just that "There are no atheists in drainage ditches" doesn't
make for a snappy aphorism.
In trying to
separate yourself from the loonies and the swindlers,
Oh, there are hundreds - more likely, thousands - of people who are
thoroughly and totally convinced that I am a stark, raving lunatic.
(and they've got proof!)
you have also
made the book what it, in fact, is - a collection of writings by men a
very long time ago full of nonsense, poor history and not particularly
original moral concepts. I
Uh-huh. Personally, I find the novels by Lois McMaster Bujold and
Frank Herbert to be much more moral than the Christian Book of the
Dead but I'm not trying to cram them down anyone's throat.
Lovely post. Really.
-- cary
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| User: "thomas p" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:00:36 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:17:01 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:42:00 -0600, thomas p wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:26:00 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:35:36 -0600, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:46 -0600, tightwad <@plum.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/evol-n12.shtml
[excerpts]
Kansas school board passes anti-evolution science standards
Good for them.
Evolution is just unproven theory, or a baseless religion.
The Big Bangers have finally gone beyond "science" into Philosophy.
Why are creationists such transparent, stupid liars?
Oh, I suggest that many, many, many of the believers in Creationism
are totally and completely sincere. I realize that is blasphemy for
some but, in my opinion, "lying" is an intentional statement of a
known false statement. [Humorously enough, I have had
"fundamentalists" attack that position as it being "situational
ethics".]
That is, "lying" and "being wrong" are not two separate categories
but equivalent to each other as "5:37 But let your communication
be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil."
I certainly /do/ recognize that much of the fundamentalist
leadership appears to be con-men (con-persons?) and the most
important thing to these thugs is separating the mark from her/his
money and power.
Or:
The Bible is not a history textbook.
The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible does not contain all "good guys".
The Bible is not a lever to separate a mark from [see above].
The Bible is not totally the province of con-men (-persons).
The Bible is stories of characters who deal with with life in their
evil and some overcoming of evil.
The Bible is not choked full of "perfect" people! Even the
characters who are royalty, show the "lack of perfection" and quite
a few of them display the basest evils.
In the so-called New Testament, words by Saul-Paul show that words
by someone who never knew Jesus in his life on Earth can be screwed
up just like our words.
If someone claims to be a "Christian" and quotes any other person
in the Testaments than Jesus, lock your doors and keep a good watch
on your wallet/purse as well as your teenaged children.
Since the Bible has all the imperfections that you mention, why should
you except something just because the book says Jesus said it?
Because I have few problems with those who are attempting - to
their best ability - to be "Christ-like" in their actions.
That is nice, but it did not answer my question.
I also have very few problems with those who emulate the Buddha and
quite a bit of those other religionists or philosophies.
If I would claim First Amendment "rights", I must not deny them to
others.
If someone is "busy being born", I applaud them and I'll buy the
coffee.
I don't think that the way that I live my life is, necessarily, the
way that everyone should live theirs. "Leave others their
otherness."
Furthermore why should you accept that Jesus is special, after all it
is the book that tells you he is - the imperfect book.
And?
The history of North Carolina is imperfect but my Grandmother lived
there and she lived - as far as I can tell - a life that was
without contradiction and with caring for others.
That answer has no connection to the question I asked, unless you are
claiming it was the state of North Carolina that told you about your
grandmother.
Very quietly, she
practised living her life emulating the red words in the Christian
Book of the Dead.
Hated her family did she? No doubt she was a good and loving person,
but nobody follows all the teachings attributed to Jesus in the Bible;
it would not be possible; since they are contradictory.
Perhaps you are not yourself a Christian and are just saying that
Christianity or the teachings of Jesus are a good guide. I am not
denying that there are good things in his teachings, but I would know
that they were good if I had never heard of Jesus; and I can reject
any of his teachings I think are not good. In other words I am
responsible for myself and am capable of knowing what is right and
wrong.
In my opinion good Christian people would be good if they were not
Christian. Christianity encourages a lack of personal responsibility
and provides evil people with a cloak of respectability, i.e. "I am
only following Jesus".
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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