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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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21 Oct 2004 02:45:26 AM |
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Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
Hughes: Judy, I cannot imagine that that conversation would ever take
place. I've never heard the president say anything of the sort.... So
I can't imagine whether he misunderstood, or what happened. But I'm
certain that the president did not say that remark.
Woodruff: So Pat Robertson is lying or wrong or something?
Hughes: Well, again, Judy, I don't know. Perhaps he misunderstood....
It just doesn't sound consistent with the facts as I knew them at the
time.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1101 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Bill Curtiss" |
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| Title: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 09:45:52 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:45:26 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Hughes: Judy, I cannot imagine that that conversation would ever take
place. I've never heard the president say anything of the sort.... So
I can't imagine whether he misunderstood, or what happened. But I'm
certain that the president did not say that remark.
Woodruff: So Pat Robertson is lying or wrong or something?
Hughes: Well, again, Judy, I don't know. Perhaps he misunderstood....
It just doesn't sound consistent with the facts as I knew them at the
time.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1101 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Polly" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 02:53:49 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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Hughes: Judy, I cannot imagine that that conversation would ever take
place. I've never heard the president say anything of the sort.... So
I can't imagine whether he misunderstood, or what happened. But I'm
certain that the president did not say that remark.
Woodruff: So Pat Robertson is lying or wrong or something?
Hughes: Well, again, Judy, I don't know. Perhaps he misunderstood....
It just doesn't sound consistent with the facts as I knew them at the
time.
it's yang that is lying. in the subject of the thread.
it's a false dichotomy
whit
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1101 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 03:05:44 AM |
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"Polly" <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Morphing *****.
<re-PLONK!>
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 10:12:54 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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| "Polly" <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Morphing *****.
Cheap excuse Baker.
But then again,
Who Cares!|
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 02:07:31 PM |
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"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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| Morphing *****.
Cheap excuse Baker.
But then again,
Who Cares!|
Well, when it comes to your opinion, not I. <G>
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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21 Oct 2004 11:48:57 AM |
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Polly <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote:
it's yang that is lying. in the subject of the thread.
it's a false dichotomy
whit
Welcome to the world, Polly.
I say that because, to judge from your comments, you were born
yesterday.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Polly" |
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21 Oct 2004 01:10:30 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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Polly <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote:
it's yang that is lying. in the subject of the thread.
it's a false dichotomy
whit
Welcome to the world, Polly.
I say that because, to judge from your comments, you were born
yesterday.
wow, that is like SO clever.
the point is that yang probably KNOWS his logical fallacy
he just chooses to ignore logic, so as to make some kind of invalid and
cheap political point
whit
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "mclark" |
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21 Oct 2004 10:52:00 PM |
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Polly <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote:
Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1be1b29550fbe98398a6ec@netnews.comcast.net...
Polly <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote:
it's yang that is lying. in the subject of the thread.
it's a false dichotomy
whit
Welcome to the world, Polly.
I say that because, to judge from your comments, you were born
yesterday.
wow, that is like SO clever.
the point is that yang probably KNOWS his logical fallacy
he just chooses to ignore logic, so as to make some kind of invalid and
cheap political point
whit
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Brian E. Clark
Try:
http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
M. Clark
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 03:01:04 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:00 -0600, (mclark)
wrote:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
"I made it very plain. We will not have an all-volunteer army."
George W Bush, 10/16/2004
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1102 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 11:13:28 AM |
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mclark <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote:
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
I've already explained to you why your use of that quote is both
incorrect and damaging to your (rapidly fading) reputation.
Obtuse is one thing, but *deliberately* obtuse is another.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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| Title: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread |
23 Oct 2004 12:00:47 AM |
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If you are a fellow American patriot and lover of the First Amendment, then
by these presents greetings. It is good that you seek rational and
democratic discussion of the great and urgent issues facing our nation.
Unfortunately, I think you've come to the wrong place. See the bottom of
this post for additional evidence.
Especially if you remember the old days of thoughtful discussion in the
newsgroups, this triumph of noise over signal may sadden you. Hyde Park of
the world and cheap advertising are all that remain.
However, there are many alternatives. For example, there are many more
"refined" forums on the Web where polite discussions can be found. Even
better if you can build bridges to real people in the physical world. For
example, you could treat a rational RINO to a movie--like Fahrenheit 9/11.
Lots of good books still being published. (Michael Moore has two new ones.)
You could write a letter for your local paper--you'll reach more "normal"
people and probably have more impact than here. Or you could donate to the
political campaigns--I confess I've already made eight donations. Just
remember that big money is harming democracy, that BushCo has more money
than anyone, and that if money alone decides elections then the American
republic is already dead.
Last, but MOST important: VOTE! Your nation needs you NOW!
On the other hand, if you are a Bushevik troll, then in the immortal
floor-of-the-Senate words of the unloved ***** Cheney: "Go f*ck yourself.
When selecting "featured" posts for this mindless blather thread, the
following factors are considered:
1. Ad hominem evasion of real issues.
2. Stone-headed fanaticism.
3. Generalized hate speech, such as racism.
4. Spinning diversion or trivialization of issues.
5. Blatant lies or hypocrisy.
6. Overt trolling, such as extensive cross-posting.
7. Incomprehensible writing.
8. Vicious negative emotionalism, especially amusing personal attacks.
[For the purposes of this thread, the freshest original parts are usually
sufficient, but use the last entry on the References: header line if you
want to see the full context.]
mclark <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote:
<old stuff snip>
Clinton was speaking about the Oklahoma City bombing with respect to
what you snipped. The way Kerry relates to Clinton's statement is
as follows. One man chooses to express his hatred against the
government by throwing his war hero metals over a fense while
another man chooses to express his hatred for the government by
blowing up a government building.
M. Clark
[Sure. Perfect explanation of why Senator Kerry's spent over 20 years
working for the government. Not.]
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
('Doorman' is a role-based pen name of Shannon Jacobs, copyright
2004.)
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 12:25:00 AM |
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mclark <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote:
[..]
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending that
you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
How, exactly, does that quote apply to John Kerry?
--
"I hear the rumors on the internets." -- George W. Bush
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 12:46:07 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
Polly <cracker@earthlink.net> wrote:
it's yang that is lying. in the subject of the thread.
it's a false dichotomy
whit
Welcome to the world, Polly.
I say that because, to judge from your comments, you were born
yesterday.
Try:
http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
M. Clark
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| User: "Spammeister" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 05:50:53 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hughes: Judy, I cannot imagine that that conversation would ever take
place. I've never heard the president say anything of the sort.... So
I can't imagine whether he misunderstood, or what happened. But I'm
certain that the president did not say that remark.
Woodruff: So Pat Robertson is lying or wrong or something?
Hughes: Well, again, Judy, I don't know. Perhaps he misunderstood....
It just doesn't sound consistent with the facts as I knew them at the
time.
Pit bull Karen Hughes is really doing a tap dance over this land mine.
Pat Robertson is a big Bush supporter so they can't flame him like they
typically flame opponents. They also can't beat him up too badly because
he's delivering the fundamentalist vote. So what do you do? Well,
according to the radio news this morning 3 unnamed White House staffers
alleged to be witnesses claim that's not what they heard. So, Robertson
is just confused. Yeah, maybe he heard wrong from God, too. Bush isn't
blessed. He's actually cursed.
Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top arrogance, a
general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely poor
decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's behavior.
It's hard to watch Hughes continually humiliate herself as she
desperately says anything to prop up her master.
--
"Stupidity's the deliberate cultivation of ignorance."
-- William Gladdis
Tired of junk email??? Fight back! Visit http://www.craigbanks.us.
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| User: "Vader" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 08:33:32 AM |
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"Spammeister" <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com...
It's hard to watch Hughes continually humiliate herself as she
desperately says anything to prop up her master.
I loved her comment about Kerry wife the other day, at one point she said
that "motherhood IS a real job."
Is that so Karen? Then why do you keep running around the contry,
bootlicking the president, rather than staying at home, and doing your real
job, taking care of your son and husband? You've been neglecting your "real"
job.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 10:19:38 AM |
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"Vader" <validemailaddress@attbi.com> wrote in message
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| "Spammeister" <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
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| > It's hard to watch Hughes continually humiliate herself as she
| > desperately says anything to prop up her master.
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| I loved her comment about Kerry wife the other day, at one point she
said
| that "motherhood IS a real job."
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| Is that so Karen? Then why do you keep running around the contry,
| bootlicking the president, rather than staying at home, and doing
your real
| job, taking care of your son and husband? You've been neglecting
your "real"
| job.
Psssttt.... some people can do more then one thing at a time. She
resigned her position with the Bush cabinet to devote herself to her
family then volunteered to help in his campaign. I take it from your
sarcastic comments that you don't think being a homemaker is a "real"
job?
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "MrPepper11" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 10:48:17 AM |
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Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top arrogance, a
general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely poor
decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's behavior.
Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this visit
took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his cognitive
abilities in this case.
"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!"
- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
Yale University Law School
"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9, 2004
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| User: "mclark" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 12:46:08 PM |
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MrPepper11 <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote:
Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>... > Judging by Shrub's track
record of combining over-the-top arrogance, a > general detachment from
reality, blind ignorance, and extremely poor > decision making,
Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's behavior.
Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this visit
took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his cognitive
abilities in this case.
"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!"
- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
Yale University Law School
"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9, 2004
Try:
http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
M. Clark
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| User: "Doorman" |
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| Title: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread |
22 Oct 2004 07:18:41 PM |
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If you are a fellow American patriot and lover of the First Amendment, then
by these presents greetings. It is good that you seek rational and
democratic discussion of the great and urgent issues facing our nation.
Unfortunately, I think you've come to the wrong place. See the bottom of
this post for additional evidence.
Especially if you remember the old days of thoughtful discussion in the
newsgroups, this triumph of noise over signal may sadden you. Hyde Park of
the world and cheap advertising are all that remain.
However, there are many alternatives. For example, there are many more
"refined" forums on the Web where polite discussions can be found. Even
better if you can build bridges to real people in the physical world. For
example, you could treat a rational RINO to a movie--like Fahrenheit 9/11.
Lots of good books still being published. (Michael Moore has two new ones.)
You could write a letter for your local paper--you'll reach more "normal"
people and probably have more impact than here. Or you could donate to the
political campaigns--I confess I've already made eight donations. Just
remember that big money is harming democracy, that BushCo has more money
than anyone, and that if money alone decides elections then the American
republic is already dead.
Last, but MOST important: VOTE! Your nation needs you NOW!
On the other hand, if you are a Bushevik troll, then in the immortal
floor-of-the-Senate words of the unloved ***** Cheney: "Go f*ck yourself.
When selecting "featured" posts for this mindless blather thread, the
following factors are considered:
1. Ad hominem evasion of real issues.
2. Stone-headed fanaticism.
3. Generalized hate speech, such as racism.
4. Spinning diversion or trivialization of issues.
5. Blatant lies or hypocrisy.
6. Overt trolling, such as extensive cross-posting.
7. Incomprehensible writing.
8. Vicious negative emotionalism, especially amusing personal attacks.
[For the purposes of this thread, the freshest original parts are usually
sufficient, but use the last entry on the References: header line if you
want to see the full context.]
mclark <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote:
<old stuff snip>
Try:
<tripe link snip>
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
M. Clark
[Pretty well convinced this is a different Bushevik troll from the #1 troll.
This one seems to be outside the stupidity envelope of the other one.]
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
('Doorman' is a role-based pen name of Shannon Jacobs, copyright
2004.)
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 11:02:19 AM |
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On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11) wrote:
Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top arrogance, a
general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely poor
decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's behavior.
Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this visit
took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his cognitive
abilities in this case.
"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!"
- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
Yale University Law School
"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9, 2004
God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 12:28:17 PM |
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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
| On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11) wrote:
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| >Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
| >> Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
arrogance, a
| >> general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely
poor
| >> decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's
behavior.
| >
| >Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
| >verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
visit
| >took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his
cognitive
| >abilities in this case.
| >
| >"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
| >healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
| >veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to
you!"
| >- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
| >
| >"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
| >year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
| >kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
| >Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
| >Yale University Law School
| >
| >"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9,
2004
You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just found
this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
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| God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look at
this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
Balaam's Donkey
21 Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the
princes of Moab. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel
of the LORD stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his
donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the
angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand,
she turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat her to get her back
on the road.
24 Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path between two
vineyards, with walls on both sides. 25 When the donkey saw the angel
of the LORD , she pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam's foot
against it. So he beat her again.
26 Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow
place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the
left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD , she lay down
under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. 28 Then
the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have
I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
29 Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a
sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."
30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you
have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing
this to you?"
"No," he said.
31 Then the LORD opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the
LORD standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and
fell face down.
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 09:49:58 PM |
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|
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:28:17 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
| On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11) wrote:
|
| >Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
| >> Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
arrogance, a
| >> general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely
poor
| >> decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's
behavior.
| >
| >Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
| >verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
visit
| >took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his
cognitive
| >abilities in this case.
| >
| >"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
| >healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
| >veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to
you!"
| >- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
| >
| >"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
| >year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
| >kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
| >Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
| >Yale University Law School
| >
| >"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9,
2004
You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just found
this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
|
| God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look at
this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
What else can your fake God do?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1101 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
|
| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 12:10:02 AM |
|
|
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8tgn09vsti51agcend5ff6jf9jv1lcob8@4ax.com...
| On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:28:17 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
| >news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
| >| On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11)
wrote:
| >|
| >| >Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
| >news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
| >| >> Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
| >arrogance, a
| >| >> general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and
extremely
| >poor
| >| >> decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's
| >behavior.
| >| >
| >| >Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence
his
| >| >verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
| >visit
| >| >took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his
| >cognitive
| >| >abilities in this case.
| >| >
| >| >"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
| >| >healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and
varicose
| >| >veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to
| >you!"
| >| >- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
| >| >
| >| >"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a
whole
| >| >year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did
all
| >| >kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
| >| >Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma
mater
| >| >Yale University Law School
| >| >
| >| >"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July
9,
| >2004
| >
| >You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
| >sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just
found
| >this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
| >
| >|
| >| God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
| >
| >Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look
at
| >this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
|
|
| What else can your fake God do?
He can fry you. Let's see who is right after we both die, ok?
But then again,
Who Cares!
.
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| User: "Doorman" |
|
| Title: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread |
22 Oct 2004 08:56:22 AM |
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|
If you are a fellow American patriot and lover of the First Amendment, then
by these presents greetings. It is good that you seek rational and
democratic discussion of the great and urgent issues facing our nation.
Unfortunately, I think you've come to the wrong place. See the bottom of
this post for additional evidence.
Especially if you remember the old days of thoughtful discussion in the
newsgroups, this triumph of noise over signal may sadden you. Hyde Park of
the world and cheap advertising are all that remain.
However, there are many alternatives. For example, there are many more
"refined" forums on the Web where polite discussions can be found. Even
better if you can build bridges to real people in the physical world. For
example, you could treat a rational RINO to a movie--like Fahrenheit 9/11.
Lots of good books still being published. (Michael Moore has two new ones.)
You could write a letter for your local paper--you'll reach more "normal"
people and probably have more impact than here. Or you could donate to the
political campaigns--I confess I've already made eight donations. Just
remember that big money is harming democracy, that BushCo has more money
than anyone, and that if money alone decides elections then the American
republic is already dead.
Last, but MOST important: VOTE! Your nation needs you NOW!
On the other hand, if you are a Bushevik troll, then in the immortal
floor-of-the-Senate words of the unloved ***** Cheney: "Go f*ck yourself.
When selecting "featured" posts for this mindless blather thread, the
following factors are considered:
1. Ad hominem evasion of real issues.
2. Stone-headed fanaticism.
3. Generalized hate speech, such as racism.
4. Spinning diversion or trivialization of issues.
5. Blatant lies or hypocrisy.
6. Overt trolling, such as extensive cross-posting.
7. Incomprehensible writing.
8. Vicious negative emotionalism, especially amusing personal attacks.
[For the purposes of this thread, the freshest original parts are usually
sufficient, but use the last entry on the References: header line if you
want to see the full context.]
Who Cares! <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
<old stuff snip>
He can fry you. Let's see who is right after we both die, ok?
But then again,
Who Cares!
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
('Doorman' is a role-based pen name of Shannon Jacobs, copyright
2004.)
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
|
| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 02:25:20 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:10:02 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8tgn09vsti51agcend5ff6jf9jv1lcob8@4ax.com...
| On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:28:17 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
| >news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
| >| On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11)
wrote:
| >|
| >| >Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
| >news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
| >| >> Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
| >arrogance, a
| >| >> general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and
extremely
| >poor
| >| >> decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's
| >behavior.
| >| >
| >| >Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence
his
| >| >verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
| >visit
| >| >took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his
| >cognitive
| >| >abilities in this case.
| >| >
| >| >"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
| >| >healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and
varicose
| >| >veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to
| >you!"
| >| >- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
| >| >
| >| >"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a
whole
| >| >year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did
all
| >| >kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
| >| >Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma
mater
| >| >Yale University Law School
| >| >
| >| >"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July
9,
| >2004
| >
| >You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
| >sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just
found
| >this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
| >
| >|
| >| God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
| >
| >Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look
at
| >this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
|
|
| What else can your fake God do?
He can fry you. Let's see who is right after we both die, ok?
Your little magic sky pixie taking a page out of Al Qaeda now? Let me
guess, that promotional free toaster campaign didn't pan out.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1102 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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| User: "towelie" |
|
| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 09:00:42 AM |
|
|
TV's Who Cares! wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:i8tgn09vsti51agcend5ff6jf9jv1lcob8@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:28:17 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11)
wrote:
Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
arrogance, a general detachment from reality, blind ignorance,
and extremely poor decision making, Robertson's quote is
consistent with Bush's behavior.
Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
visit took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt
his cognitive abilities in this case.
"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and
varicose veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great
things to you!" - Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a
whole year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I
did all kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma
mater Yale University Law School
"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July
9,
2004
You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just
found this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look
at this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
What else can your fake God do?
He can fry you. Let's see who is right after we both die, ok?
Hi Blaise Pascal.
--
If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward. - Jay-Z
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "mclark" |
|
| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
22 Oct 2004 12:46:11 PM |
|
|
Who Cares! <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
| On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11) wrote:
|
| >Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
| >> Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top
arrogance, a
| >> general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely
poor
| >> decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's
behavior.
| >
| >Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
| >verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this
visit
| >took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his
cognitive
| >abilities in this case.
| >
| >"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
| >healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
| >veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to
you!"
| >- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
| >
| >"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
| >year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
| >kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
| >Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
| >Yale University Law School
| >
| >"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9,
2004
You should have the decency to use the entire quote, not just a
sentence fragment lifted out of context. But you probably just found
this on some liberal website and took it for fact.
|
| God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
Actually if you read the Bible you see that he did. Really! Look at
this: Numbers chapter 22 verses 21 through 31
Balaam's Donkey
21 Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the
princes of Moab. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel
of the LORD stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his
donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the
angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand,
she turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat her to get her back
on the road.
24 Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path between two
vineyards, with walls on both sides. 25 When the donkey saw the angel
of the LORD , she pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam's foot
against it. So he beat her again.
26 Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow
place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the
left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD , she lay down
under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. 28 Then
the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have
I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
29 Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a
sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."
30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you
have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing
this to you?"
"No," he said.
31 Then the LORD opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the
LORD standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and
fell face down.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Try:
http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/
Bill Clinton has something to say about people like John Kerry:
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Commencement at Michigan State University
May 5, 1995
M. Clark
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| User: "John Baker" |
|
| Title: Re: Karen Hughes Calls Pat Robertson a Liar |
21 Oct 2004 02:04:46 PM |
|
|
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:4bnfn01oe7jljqt2c3eet7d76dnr577m66@4ax.com...
On 21 Oct 2004 08:48:17 -0700, (MrPepper11) wrote:
Spammeister <gotoreplyto@below.net> wrote in message
news:<lu6dnUZzz9dbCercRVn-qA@comcast.com>...
Judging by Shrub's track record of combining over-the-top arrogance, a
general detachment from reality, blind ignorance, and extremely poor
decision making, Robertson's quote is consistent with Bush's behavior.
Robertson does talk to God in his amyl nitrate dreams - hence his
verbal diarrhea (and numerous inaccurate predictions). But this visit
took place in real life, and there is no reason to doubt his cognitive
abilities in this case.
"Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been
healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose
veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!"
- Pat Robertson, 1981 videotaped sermon
"When I was at law school, I studied constitutional law for a whole
year. I read a thick book of cases on constitutional law. I did all
kinds of research. But I confess to you, I never read the
Constitution." - Pat Robertson, March 1986 speech to his alma mater
Yale University Law School
"God speaks through me." - George W. Bush, Lancaster, PA, July 9, 2004
God doesn't speak though the mouth of a jackass.
Well, that just about rules out every evangelist who ever lived, then. <G>
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| User: "Peanutjake" |
|
| Title: IRAQ EVIDENCE MANIPULATED |
22 Oct 2004 02:57:54 PM |
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|
L.A. TIMES
WASHINGTON - A controversial intelligence unit set up in the Pentagon
provided skewed prewar analysis to support Bush administration claims that
Saddam Hussein was an ally of Al Qaeda, an investigation by Democrats on the
Senate Armed Services Committee has found.
The intelligence unit, run by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas
J. Feith, shaded analytic judgments, ignored contrary evidence and
sidestepped the CIA to present dubious findings to senior officials at the
White House, the investigation concluded.
The report was released Thursday by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) after a
16-month inquiry conducted by Democratic staff members on the committee.
Levin has been a persistent critic of Feith and the Bush administration on
Iraq.
The report concluded that "intelligence relating to the Iraq-Al Qaeda
relationship was manipulated by high-ranking officials in the [Department of
Defense] to support the administration's decision to invade Iraq."
Republicans criticized the report as politically motivated. "Sen. Levin's
report is clearly a partisan effort to influence the upcoming election
rather than an attempt to correct the flaws in our intelligence community,"
said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, a Republican on the Senate Armed Services
Committee.
The Defense Department issued a statement saying other investigations had
found no evidence of wrongdoing by Feith's office, and that Levin's report
appeared to "depart from the bipartisan, consultative relationship" between
the Pentagon and Congress.
Feith, a lightning rod for critics of the Bush administration, was a leading
proponent of the war in Iraq, and was in charge of postwar planning. He has
said that his office created the intelligence unit - the Counterterrorism
Evaluation Group - shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks to conduct a broad
examination of state sponsors of terrorism.
The unit focused much of its energy on finding a link between Hussein and Al
Qaeda. Subsequent investigations, including that of the independent
bipartisan Sept. 11 commission, have concluded that although there were
contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda, there was no evidence of a collaborative
relationship or Iraqi involvement in the Sept. 11 plot.
Much of the material in Levin's report has been previously disclosed. But
the 46-page document includes new details that, according to Levin, show how
Feith's analysts repeatedly sought to outflank the CIA, which was much more
skeptical of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties.
The report found that the Defense analysts tailored presentations to
different audiences, making a more aggressive case when briefing senior
officials at the Pentagon and the White House than when showing their
findings to senior CIA officers.
At the White House, for instance, Pentagon briefers included a slide
describing "known Al Qaeda contacts," and listing an alleged meeting in
Prague between Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence
agent.
Levin said that far from being a known example of contacts between Iraq and
Al Qaeda, there was widespread doubt in the intelligence community that the
meeting ever occurred. Nevertheless, he said, the claim was included in the
Sept. 16, 2002, White House briefing even though it was not part of a
previous presentation made to then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and other
senior officials at agency headquarters.
The report also cites instances in which Pentagon analysts failed to fully
comply with CIA requests that exaggerated claims be deleted or corrected. In
one case, the CIA warned Feith's office against using a claim that Hussein's
regime knew that suspected terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi had entered Iraq,
saying the assertion was "unsupported" by the intelligence cited.
Rather than remove the long-disputed claim, the Pentagon intelligence unit
left it unchanged and "cited a different CIA report in support of [the]
assertion," Levin's report said.
Levin said distortions by analysts working for Feith fueled many of the Bush
administration's most controversial claims as it made its case for war. In
particular, he noted that Vice President ***** Cheney referred to a magazine
article cataloging many of the Feith team's controversial findings as the
"best source of information" on the relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
"It wasn't the best source," Levin said. "It was an inaccurate, exaggerated
source which the CIA insisted be corrected."
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| User: "Bill" |
|
| Title: Re: IRAQ EVIDENCE MANIPULATED |
24 Oct 2004 02:55:08 PM |
|
|
What you have here is top administration personnel wanting to go to war with
Iraq encouraging underlings to come up with evidence to justify their
desires and decisions.
The decision to go to war was based on opinions - not factual evidence. This
alone justifies firing Bush and company.
--
Bill
"Peanutjake" <peanutjakeNO@SPAM.usa.com> wrote in message
news:2tt735F248p50U1@uni-berlin.de...
L.A. TIMES
WASHINGTON - A controversial intelligence unit set up in the Pentagon
provided skewed prewar analysis to support Bush administration claims that
Saddam Hussein was an ally of Al Qaeda, an investigation by Democrats on
the
Senate Armed Services Committee has found.
The intelligence unit, run by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas
J. Feith, shaded analytic judgments, ignored contrary evidence and
sidestepped the CIA to present dubious findings to senior officials at the
White House, the investigation concluded.
The report was released Thursday by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) after a
16-month inquiry conducted by Democratic staff members on the committee.
Levin has been a persistent critic of Feith and the Bush administration on
Iraq.
The report concluded that "intelligence relating to the Iraq-Al Qaeda
relationship was manipulated by high-ranking officials in the [Department
of
Defense] to support the administration's decision to invade Iraq."
Republicans criticized the report as politically motivated. "Sen. Levin's
report is clearly a partisan effort to influence the upcoming election
rather than an attempt to correct the flaws in our intelligence
community,"
said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, a Republican on the Senate Armed Services
Committee.
The Defense Department issued a statement saying other investigations had
found no evidence of wrongdoing by Feith's office, and that Levin's report
appeared to "depart from the bipartisan, consultative relationship"
between
the Pentagon and Congress.
Feith, a lightning rod for critics of the Bush administration, was a
leading
proponent of the war in Iraq, and was in charge of postwar planning. He
has
said that his office created the intelligence unit - the Counterterrorism
Evaluation Group - shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks to conduct a broad
examination of state sponsors of terrorism.
The unit focused much of its energy on finding a link between Hussein and
Al
Qaeda. Subsequent investigations, including that of the independent
bipartisan Sept. 11 commission, have concluded that although there were
contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda, there was no evidence of a
collaborative
relationship or Iraqi involvement in the Sept. 11 plot.
Much of the material in Levin's report has been previously disclosed. But
the 46-page document includes new details that, according to Levin, show
how
Feith's analysts repeatedly sought to outflank the CIA, which was much
more
skeptical of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties.
The report found that the Defense analysts tailored presentations to
different audiences, making a more aggressive case when briefing senior
officials at the Pentagon and the White House than when showing their
findings to senior CIA officers.
At the White House, for instance, Pentagon briefers included a slide
describing "known Al Qaeda contacts," and listing an alleged meeting in
Prague between Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence
agent.
Levin said that far from being a known example of contacts between Iraq
and
Al Qaeda, there was widespread doubt in the intelligence community that
the
meeting ever occurred. Nevertheless, he said, the claim was included in
the
Sept. 16, 2002, White House briefing even though it was not part of a
previous presentation made to then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and other
senior officials at agency headquarters.
The report also cites instances in which Pentagon analysts failed to fully
comply with CIA requests that exaggerated claims be deleted or corrected.
In
one case, the CIA warned Feith's office against using a claim that
Hussein's
regime knew that suspected terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi had entered Iraq,
saying the assertion was "unsupported" by the intelligence cited.
Rather than remove the long-disputed claim, the Pentagon intelligence unit
left it unchanged and "cited a different CIA report in support of [the]
assertion," Levin's report said.
Levin said distortions by analysts working for Feith fueled many of the
Bush
administration's most controversial claims as it made its case for war. In
particular, he noted that Vice President ***** Cheney referred to a
magazine
article cataloging many of the Feith team's controversial findings as the
"best source of information" on the relationship between Iraq and Al
Qaeda.
"It wasn't the best source," Levin said. "It was an inaccurate,
exaggerated
source which the CIA insisted be corrected."
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