Religions > Atheism > Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
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Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin' |
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
The remarks, published in the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist
State Convention, unleashed a torrent of criticism from political and
religious officials.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said she was "disgusted" by the
comments "and deeply disappointed in Rep. Harris personally."
Harris, Wasserman Schultz said, "clearly shows that she does not
deserve to be a Representative . . ."
State Rep. Irv Slosberg, D-Boca Raton, demanded an apology, saying the
statements were "outrageous, even by her standards.
"What is going through this woman's mind?" said Slosberg. "We do not
live in a theocracy."
Harris said her religious beliefs "animate" everything she does,
including her votes in Congress.
She then warned voters that if they do not send Christians to office,
they risk creating a government that is doomed to fail.
"If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public
scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in
essence you are going to legislate sin," she told interviewers, citing
abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.
"Whenever we legislate sin," she said, "and we say abortion is
permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average
citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we
are leading them astray and it's wrong . . ."
Harris also said the separation of church and state is a "lie we have
been told" to keep religious people out of politics.
In reality, she said, "we have to have the faithful in government"
because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so
wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.
"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly
men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws.
That's not what our founding fathers intended and that's (sic)
certainly isn't what God intended."
The notion that non-Christians "don't know better," or are less suited
to govern disturbed Rabbi Rick Sherwin, president of the Greater
Orlando Board of Rabbis.
"Anybody who claims to have a monopoly on God," he said, "doesn't
understand the strength of America."
Sherwin and others also said Harris appeared to be voicing support for
a religious state when she said God and the founding fathers did not
intend the United States to be a "nation of secular laws."
The alternative, they said, would be a nation of religious laws.
"She's talking about a theocracy," said Sherwin. "And that's exactly
opposite of what this country is based on." A clause in the First
Amendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
Ahmed Bedier, the Central Florida Director of the Council on American
Islamic Relations, said he was "appalled that a person who's been in
politics this long would hold such extreme views."
Bedier said most Christians would find such comments "shameful."
Harris has always professed a deep Christian faith and long been
popular with Christian conservative voters.
University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato said the
comments will appeal to Christian fundamentalists who typically turn
out for Republican primaries...
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26 Aug 2006 09:00:07 AM |
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"JTE" <JTE@homer.biz> wrote in message
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http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
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But isn't that exactly what xians want to do in creating their "heaven
on earth"?
Whacky fuckers, I tell you...
David H.
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| User: "Tody" |
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26 Aug 2006 01:44:40 AM |
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Harris and Karr belong in the same cell.
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
The remarks, published in the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist
State Convention, unleashed a torrent of criticism from political and
religious officials.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said she was "disgusted" by the
comments "and deeply disappointed in Rep. Harris personally."
Harris, Wasserman Schultz said, "clearly shows that she does not
deserve to be a Representative . . ."
State Rep. Irv Slosberg, D-Boca Raton, demanded an apology, saying the
statements were "outrageous, even by her standards.
"What is going through this woman's mind?" said Slosberg. "We do not
live in a theocracy."
Harris said her religious beliefs "animate" everything she does,
including her votes in Congress.
She then warned voters that if they do not send Christians to office,
they risk creating a government that is doomed to fail.
"If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public
scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in
essence you are going to legislate sin," she told interviewers, citing
abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.
"Whenever we legislate sin," she said, "and we say abortion is
permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average
citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we
are leading them astray and it's wrong . . ."
Harris also said the separation of church and state is a "lie we have
been told" to keep religious people out of politics.
In reality, she said, "we have to have the faithful in government"
because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so
wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.
"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly
men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws.
That's not what our founding fathers intended and that's (sic)
certainly isn't what God intended."
The notion that non-Christians "don't know better," or are less suited
to govern disturbed Rabbi Rick Sherwin, president of the Greater
Orlando Board of Rabbis.
"Anybody who claims to have a monopoly on God," he said, "doesn't
understand the strength of America."
Sherwin and others also said Harris appeared to be voicing support for
a religious state when she said God and the founding fathers did not
intend the United States to be a "nation of secular laws."
The alternative, they said, would be a nation of religious laws.
"She's talking about a theocracy," said Sherwin. "And that's exactly
opposite of what this country is based on." A clause in the First
Amendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
Ahmed Bedier, the Central Florida Director of the Council on American
Islamic Relations, said he was "appalled that a person who's been in
politics this long would hold such extreme views."
Bedier said most Christians would find such comments "shameful."
Harris has always professed a deep Christian faith and long been
popular with Christian conservative voters.
University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato said the
comments will appeal to Christian fundamentalists who typically turn
out for Republican primaries...
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26 Aug 2006 12:37:15 PM |
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JTE <JTE@homer.biz> wrote in
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http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.
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I dream of the day when conservatives learn the difference between a
sin and a crime and liberals learn the difference between a virtue and
a requirement.
-- William A. Niskanen
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The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are being lost. The America of
our founders is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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26 Aug 2006 07:41:10 PM |
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JTE <JTE@homer.biz> wrote in news:aamve2pmjrv3bd7vkvc642ioddh11ing0l@
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http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.ht
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Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
<snip>
Funny how she pops up with shovel-loads of religious ***** at a point when
her campaign is at an all-time sag.
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Doc Smartass
All morality is relative--especially the absolute ones.
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25 Aug 2006 10:03:49 PM |
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Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
<snip>
Funny how she pops up with shovel-loads of religious ***** at a point when
her campaign is at an all-time sag.
She's so obvious that even a Christian zombie can
see through her. Though, they won't get much of
a meal off her, if they're into eating brains...
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| User: "Muppet Hi-Fi" |
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26 Aug 2006 09:18:37 AM |
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JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
The remarks, published in the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist
State Convention, unleashed a torrent of criticism from political and
religious officials.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said she was "disgusted" by the
comments "and deeply disappointed in Rep. Harris personally."
Harris, Wasserman Schultz said, "clearly shows that she does not
deserve to be a Representative . . ."
State Rep. Irv Slosberg, D-Boca Raton, demanded an apology, saying the
statements were "outrageous, even by her standards.
"What is going through this woman's mind?" said Slosberg. "We do not
live in a theocracy."
Harris said her religious beliefs "animate" everything she does,
including her votes in Congress.
She then warned voters that if they do not send Christians to office,
they risk creating a government that is doomed to fail.
"If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public
scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in
essence you are going to legislate sin," she told interviewers, citing
abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.
"Whenever we legislate sin," she said, "and we say abortion is
permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average
citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we
are leading them astray and it's wrong . . ."
Harris also said the separation of church and state is a "lie we have
been told" to keep religious people out of politics.
In reality, she said, "we have to have the faithful in government"
because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so
wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.
"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly
men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws.
That's not what our founding fathers intended and that's (sic)
certainly isn't what God intended."
The notion that non-Christians "don't know better," or are less suited
to govern disturbed Rabbi Rick Sherwin, president of the Greater
Orlando Board of Rabbis.
"Anybody who claims to have a monopoly on God," he said, "doesn't
understand the strength of America."
Sherwin and others also said Harris appeared to be voicing support for
a religious state when she said God and the founding fathers did not
intend the United States to be a "nation of secular laws."
The alternative, they said, would be a nation of religious laws.
"She's talking about a theocracy," said Sherwin. "And that's exactly
opposite of what this country is based on." A clause in the First
Amendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
Ahmed Bedier, the Central Florida Director of the Council on American
Islamic Relations, said he was "appalled that a person who's been in
politics this long would hold such extreme views."
Bedier said most Christians would find such comments "shameful."
Harris has always professed a deep Christian faith and long been
popular with Christian conservative voters.
University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato said the
comments will appeal to Christian fundamentalists who typically turn
out for Republican primaries...
Oh, well.
Not only is Harris' Senate bid DOA, but she had to decline to run for
reelection to her House seat in order to pursue the Senate seat.
Come January, she'll be just an unpleasant memory.
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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26 Aug 2006 08:50:32 AM |
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JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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26 Aug 2006 11:08:58 AM |
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Josh Miles wrote:
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
With a particular breed of fundamentalist evangelicals, and it looks
like Harris is probably one of them, no human law is allowed to stop
them from promoting god's work, and if the law tries to, they're
actually told to circumvent it or out and out defy the government.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Wally Wonderful" |
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26 Aug 2006 11:24:32 PM |
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"L. Raymond" wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
With a particular breed of fundamentalist evangelicals, and it looks
like Harris is probably one of them, no human law is allowed to stop
them from promoting god's work, and if the law tries to, they're
actually told to circumvent it or out and out defy the government.
--
L. Raymond
well I think its all a ploy. I think Harris is no more or less out of touch than
the average person. What distinguishes her abd most like her - they have no
conscience
as long as the price doesnt get too high.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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26 Aug 2006 11:43:30 AM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
With a particular breed of fundamentalist evangelicals, and it looks
like Harris is probably one of them, no human law is allowed to stop
them from promoting god's work, and if the law tries to, they're
actually told to circumvent it or out and out defy the government.
Actually, I see this as the dying breath of a campaign that was doomed
from the start. She's nuts, and grasping at straws trying to get any
attention she can. So, like Shrub, she's playing the "Christian Nation"
card, hoping someone will listen.
I can't wait to see the melt down she has when the election is over, and
she has to go out and find a real job.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
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Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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26 Aug 2006 01:50:52 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:43:30 -0700, Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
L. Raymond wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
With a particular breed of fundamentalist evangelicals, and it looks
like Harris is probably one of them, no human law is allowed to stop
them from promoting god's work, and if the law tries to, they're
actually told to circumvent it or out and out defy the government.
Actually, I see this as the dying breath of a campaign that was doomed
from the start. She's nuts, and grasping at straws trying to get any
attention she can. So, like Shrub, she's playing the "Christian Nation"
card, hoping someone will listen.
I can't wait to see the melt down she has when the election is over, and
she has to go out and find a real job.
She's nuts awright...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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29 Aug 2006 10:44:35 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:50:52 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:43:30 -0700, Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
L. Raymond wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
JTE wrote:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15363945.htm
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
This is coming from the person who played a large role in stealing
stealing the election for Bush in 2000. Isn't stealing supposed to be a sin?
With a particular breed of fundamentalist evangelicals, and it looks
like Harris is probably one of them, no human law is allowed to stop
them from promoting god's work, and if the law tries to, they're
actually told to circumvent it or out and out defy the government.
Actually, I see this as the dying breath of a campaign that was doomed
from the start. She's nuts, and grasping at straws trying to get any
attention she can. So, like Shrub, she's playing the "Christian Nation"
card, hoping someone will listen.
I can't wait to see the melt down she has when the election is over, and
she has to go out and find a real job.
She's nuts awright...
/porky pig
That's all folks!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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27 Aug 2006 03:27:31 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:17:55 -0500, JTE <JTE@homer.biz> wrote:
Aug. 25, 2006
Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'
By Jim Stratton
The Orlando Sentinel
ORLANDO, Fla. - Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that God did not
intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that
a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking
bodies to "legislate sin."
1 Corinthians 14:34 (Darby Translation)
A Public Domain Bible
34 Let [your] women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to
them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says.
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Body Count: http://icasualties.org/oif/
15 yr old Ava Lowery Reflects on the Iraq War:
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/whatwillyoudo.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2006 09:11:21 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:17:55 -0500, JTE wrote:
Separating religion and politics is "so
wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said
Well, in polls, she's trailing the Democrat by 30% and even a third of
Republican voters said they'd vote for the Democrat over her if she's the
nominee.
If "god" chooses our "rulers," he sure as hell doesn't want her...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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