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"ERIC BAKER" |
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06 May 2006 09:07:03 PM |
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Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
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| User: "Andrew Q Chung NLAHN" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
06 May 2006 11:54:08 PM |
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ERIC BAKER wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Foxholes are a tell for those who do not truly believe in the LORD.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 03:45:30 AM |
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On 6 May 2006 21:54:08 -0700, "Andrew Q Chung NLAHN"
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
ERIC BAKER wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Foxholes are a tell for those who do not truly believe in the LORD.
Back to the killfile, in-you-face moron.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 05:17:07 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 6 May 2006 21:54:08 -0700, "Andrew Q Chung NLAHN"
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
ERIC BAKER wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Foxholes are a tell for those who do not truly believe in the LORD.
Back to the killfile, in-you-face moron.
Hmmm...I thought it was a very cogent post.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 12:39:01 AM |
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ERIC BAKER:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
The usual sickening *****.
You know, I find it especially... well... amusing how this "no atheists in
foxholes" loadacrap perfectly collides with another mantra we keep hearing
from (all too often) the very same numbnuts.
What do I mean? Have a look at
"http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a32/germanicheathen/Atheists_in_foxholes.jpg"
(Image courtesy of Spielberg's "Band of Brothers")
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 03:23:18 AM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 07:53:57 AM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 05:19:22 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid, derogatory
comments like that.
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| User: "duke" |
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07 May 2006 06:13:29 PM |
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid, derogatory
comments like that.
But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
09 May 2006 12:48:47 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid,
derogatory
comments like that.
But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
I don't want her fired. She's just another network idiot. She should
apologize for her remarks though. Not that I expect her to though.
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| User: "duke" |
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09 May 2006 05:34:40 PM |
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 01:48:47 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid,
derogatory
comments like that.
But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
I don't want her fired. She's just another network idiot. She should
apologize for her remarks though. Not that I expect her to though.
Why should she? She told it like she sees it.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
10 May 2006 04:40:04 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 01:48:47 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid,
derogatory
comments like that.
But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
I don't want her fired. She's just another network idiot. She should
apologize for her remarks though. Not that I expect her to though.
Why should she? She told it like she sees it.
So if she said black people are cowards and can't be counted on for
front-line action, she's just calling as she sees it. Don't you think
journalists should be held accountable for their prejudices?
BTW...Rush doesn't count as a journalist.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
10 May 2006 06:03:29 PM |
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 17:40:04 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
Why should she? She told it like she sees it.
So if she said black people are cowards and can't be counted on for
front-line action, she's just calling as she sees it. Don't you think
journalists should be held accountable for their prejudices?
If it were true, yes.
BTW...Rush doesn't count as a journalist.
That's not your call.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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07 May 2006 11:03:32 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 08:23:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER"
<ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Why should this surprise anyone? Couric has always been a twit.
This is also a free country, and she can speak her mind if she wishes.
Of course. And we're free to criticize her when she makes stupid,
derogatory
comments like that.
But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
Why not, when she is helping to spread false and
possibly harmful, bigoted lies about people? Would
you also allow her to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater?
If she is saying harmful, lying, bigoted things about
atheists, she should be stopped. If this affects her
job, maybe she'll learn to think before she opens her
lying, bigoted pie hole.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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With or without (religion) you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But
for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
08 May 2006 06:05:37 PM |
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On Mon, 8 May 2006 00:03:32 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
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But of course, and it definitely should not affect her work status.
Why not, when she is helping to spread false and
possibly harmful, bigoted lies about people?
So now the last great vestiges of Freedom of Speech, the 'rat, declares that if
it goes against something he believes in, shut it down.
Welcome to the world, knucklehead.
Would
you also allow her to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater?
THAT has the direct effect of threatening peoples lives trying to exit the
theater. Get a grip, hypa.
If she is saying harmful, lying, bigoted things about
atheists, she should be stopped. If this affects her
job, maybe she'll learn to think before she opens her
lying, bigoted pie hole.
You just don't like to hear that when push comes to shove, or a bullet to the
head waiting, then God helps.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 May 2006 08:36:33 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
Oh yes, the usual ignorant and lying *****. What's not to believe?
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "duke" |
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07 May 2006 07:52:47 AM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net> wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
You 0.4% of this country are going to lose.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 05:20:34 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Of course! In the same spirit, can we not criticize her?
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| User: "duke" |
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07 May 2006 06:15:34 PM |
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Of course! In the same spirit, can we not criticize her?
But of course, but why criticize her?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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09 May 2006 12:51:18 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Of course! In the same spirit, can we not criticize her?
But of course, but why criticize her?
Would you not criticize a news anchor if they claimed that
Christians are immoral, lying, and unpatriotic?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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09 May 2006 02:11:06 AM |
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 01:51:18 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Of course! In the same spirit, can we not criticize her?
But of course, but why criticize her?
Would you not criticize a news anchor if they claimed that
Christians are immoral, lying, and unpatriotic?
He'd be demanding someone's head on a platter and he damn well knows
it.
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| User: "duke" |
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09 May 2006 05:36:30 PM |
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 07:11:06 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Would you not criticize a news anchor if they claimed that
Christians are immoral, lying, and unpatriotic?
He'd be demanding someone's head on a platter and he damn well knows
it.
Nope. YOU might, but not me. I'd just laugh at him/her.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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09 May 2006 05:35:41 PM |
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 01:51:18 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
But of course, but why criticize her?
Would you not criticize a news anchor if they claimed that
Christians are immoral, lying, and unpatriotic?
I would know that to be a lie and never pay attention to said anchor again.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Ted King" |
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07 May 2006 08:55:41 AM |
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In article <tarr52hf71p49l2gq8kvgc6sdqcaj4auk0@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
My father was an atheist. In WWII he was shot through the ankle by a
German sniper. It took him a couple of hours to get out of the line of
fire by slowly crawling along a plowed furrow that was just barely high
enough to block him from the sniper's vision. He would probably have
given a lot of money for a foxhole at that point, but he certainly
didn't give into deluding himself that there was some God that was going
to somehow miraculously save him. He relied on keeping his head and butt
down and just kept crawling.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Straw man - like anybody claimed she didn't have the right to do so.
You 0.4% of this country are going to lose.
I'm not trying to "convert" anyone to atheism, so I don't see the
difference between atheists and theists as some kind of contest to be
lost. There are always going to be some non-believers. I am grateful
that I live in a place and time where I can openly and freely express my
non-belief without fear of retribution from believers. If you are
intimating that "this country" is going to become a theocracy and
non-believers like me will be forced into silence (or worse), then I
agree that may be possible. I suppose the U.S. could become the
Christian version of Afghanistan under the Taliban, in which case
atheists would certainly lose their freedoms. And if atheists lose their
freedoms then, as far as I am concerned, everyone would be losers.
I don't expect anything I say here (like pointing out that I know from
my father's experience that you are factually wrong that there are no
atheists in foxholes) will have the slightest affect on your attitudes.
Ted
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| User: "duke" |
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07 May 2006 06:14:47 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:55:41 GMT, Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote:
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
My father was an atheist. In WWII he was shot through the ankle by a
German sniper. It took him a couple of hours to get out of the line of
fire by slowly crawling along a plowed furrow that was just barely high
enough to block him from the sniper's vision. He would probably have
given a lot of money for a foxhole at that point, but he certainly
didn't give into deluding himself that there was some God that was going
to somehow miraculously save him. He relied on keeping his head and butt
down and just kept crawling.
God provided for him.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
08 May 2006 09:57:50 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:55:41 GMT, Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote:
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
My father was an atheist. In WWII he was shot through the ankle by a
German sniper. It took him a couple of hours to get out of the line of
fire by slowly crawling along a plowed furrow that was just barely high
enough to block him from the sniper's vision. He would probably have
given a lot of money for a foxhole at that point, but he certainly
didn't give into deluding himself that there was some God that was going
to somehow miraculously save him. He relied on keeping his head and butt
down and just kept crawling.
God provided for him.
Explain why your god didn't provide for the soldiers that were killed
by snipers.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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08 May 2006 06:07:13 PM |
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On 8 May 2006 07:57:50 -0700, wrote:
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
My father was an atheist. In WWII he was shot through the ankle by a
German sniper. It took him a couple of hours to get out of the line of
fire by slowly crawling along a plowed furrow that was just barely high
enough to block him from the sniper's vision. He would probably have
given a lot of money for a foxhole at that point, but he certainly
didn't give into deluding himself that there was some God that was going
to somehow miraculously save him. He relied on keeping his head and butt
down and just kept crawling.
God provided for him.
Explain why your god didn't provide for the soldiers that were killed
by snipers.
They were possibly atheists and didn't listen to God.
Hey, I don't know. I'll ask Godthe next time we sit down to a cup of coffee.
duke, American-American
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| Title: Re: Katie Couric, "No Atheist in Foxholes" comment |
07 May 2006 09:35:24 AM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:55:41 GMT, Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <tarr52hf71p49l2gq8kvgc6sdqcaj4auk0@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:07:03 GMT, "ERIC BAKER" <ericbaker00@verizon.net>
wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-05-apr-2006.html
You wont believe this!!!!!!
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes.
My father was an atheist. In WWII he was shot through the ankle by a
German sniper. It took him a couple of hours to get out of the line of
fire by slowly crawling along a plowed furrow that was just barely high
enough to block him from the sniper's vision. He would probably have
given a lot of money for a foxhole at that point, but he certainly
didn't give into deluding himself that there was some God that was going
to somehow miraculously save him. He relied on keeping his head and butt
down and just kept crawling.
Isn't this a free country? Can't she speak her mind?
Straw man - like anybody claimed she didn't have the right to do so.
And we're allowed to use our own freedom of speech to call people like
her the bigoted liars they show themselves.
Like yours my father was in WW2. He was a Lancaster bomber crew, which
had an extremely low survival rate. He joined up as an atheist and was
demobbed as one at the end of the war.
What happened turned him into a pacifist, not a believer.
He wouldn't talk much about it, and I got most of it after he died,
from my mother. But it explained a lot.
He'd started off in RAF Coastal Command, doing coastal reconnaissance,
dropping rubber rafts etc. Which is what he had always talked about to
me as a kid.
But he'd also mentioned that survivors of action were the ones doing
things about it and not just praying. Also that many of the survivors
became atheist.
I also remember seeing aerial photos of bombed railway yards where
trains of refugees had been parked. And his response that these things
happen in war before he changed the subject.
I was born in London after WW2 and grew up seeing bombed out
buildings, daily reports of unexploded bombs etc, and even riding
trains with pitted windows and sides from bomb-shrapnel. That coloured
by view of war, particularly attacks on civilians by the military and
from the air.
After he died my mother told me he had been transferred to Bomber
Command because they were so short of crews. And that he had been
speaking first hand of these things.
Couric was repeating one of the more stupid, vicious slanders about
atheists. We are no more likely to appeal to her deity that she would
suddenly pray to Zeus.
People like her are both stupid and nasty with it.
You 0.4% of this country are going to lose.
Out by a factor of 40. it's approximately 15% of US population.
I'm not trying to "convert" anyone to atheism, so I don't see the
difference between atheists and theists as some kind of contest to be
lost. There are always going to be some non-believers. I am grateful
that I live in a place and time where I can openly and freely express my
non-belief without fear of retribution from believers. If you are
intimating that "this country" is going to become a theocracy and
non-believers like me will be forced into silence (or worse), then I
agree that may be possible. I suppose the U.S. could become the
Christian version of Afghanistan under the Taliban, in which case
atheists would certainly lose their freedoms. And if atheists lose their
freedoms then, as far as I am concerned, everyone would be losers.
It's all about live-and-let-live. Most atheists only have a problem
with believers who can't do that because they imagine their beliefs
should be universal.
I don't expect anything I say here (like pointing out that I know from
my father's experience that you are factually wrong that there are no
atheists in foxholes) will have the slightest affect on your attitudes.
Nor me.
Ted
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