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"Fred Stone" |
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26 Sep 2005 02:09:59 PM |
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Katrina spawns more looting |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for Army
Corps of Engineers projects in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, about 10
times the annual Corps budget for the entire nation, or 16 times the
amount the Corps has said it would need to protect New Orleans from a
Category 5 hurricane.
Louisiana Sens. David Vitter (R) and Mary Landrieu (D) tucked the
request into their $250 billion Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief and
Economic Recovery Act, the state's opening salvo in the scramble for
federal dollars.
The bill, unveiled last week, would create a powerful "Pelican
Commission" controlled by Louisiana residents that would decide which
Corps projects to fund, and ordered the commission to consider several
controversial navigation projects that have nothing to do with flood
protection. The Corps section of the Louisiana bill, which was supported
by the entire state delegation, was based on recommendations from a
"working group" dominated by lobbyists for ports, shipping firms, energy
companies and other corporate interests.
The bill would exempt any Corps projects approved by the commission from
provisions of the National Environmental Policy Act and the Clean Water
Act. It would also waive the usual Corps cost-sharing requirements,
ensuring that federal taxpayers would pay every dime.
With the public eager to help Katrina's victims, President Bush and
Congress have already approved $62.3 billion in spending for the Gulf
Coast. But some budget hawks are grumbling about the impact on the
deficit; the Louisiana delegation's $250 billion bill would cost more
than the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administration on an
inflation-adjusted basis. Some critics of federal water projects said
the $40 billion Corps request could make the delegation look especially
greedy and undermine support for the state's reconstruction plans.
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations, but one GOP Senate aide said they should
not expect to get their entire wish list, voicing particular skepticism
of the funding for the Corps. Even before Katrina, Louisiana received
more Corps funding than any other state, and that was less than $400
million a year.
The overall Corps budget for fiscal 2005 was $4 billion, and Corps
officials have estimated that they could upgrade the New Orleans flood
protection system to defend against a Category 5 storm for about $2.5
billion.
"This bill boggles the mind," said Steve Ellis, a water resources expert
at Taxpayers for Common Sense. "Brazen doesn't begin to describe it. The
Louisiana delegation is using Katrina as an excuse to resurrect a
laundry list of pork projects."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
27 Sep 2005 08:53:45 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1127761799.a66dbd75c9ddd692de8caa8026d392d7@teranews...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for Army
Corps of Engineers projects in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, about 10
times the annual Corps budget for the entire nation, or 16 times the
amount the Corps has said it would need to protect New Orleans from a
Category 5 hurricane.
Louisiana Sens. David Vitter (R) and Mary Landrieu (D) tucked the
request into their $250 billion Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief and
Economic Recovery Act, the state's opening salvo in the scramble for
federal dollars.
The bill, unveiled last week, would create a powerful "Pelican
Commission" controlled by Louisiana residents that would decide which
Corps projects to fund, and ordered the commission to consider several
controversial navigation projects that have nothing to do with flood
protection. The Corps section of the Louisiana bill, which was supported
by the entire state delegation, was based on recommendations from a
"working group" dominated by lobbyists for ports, shipping firms, energy
companies and other corporate interests.
The bill would exempt any Corps projects approved by the commission from
provisions of the National Environmental Policy Act and the Clean Water
Act. It would also waive the usual Corps cost-sharing requirements,
ensuring that federal taxpayers would pay every dime.
With the public eager to help Katrina's victims, President Bush and
Congress have already approved $62.3 billion in spending for the Gulf
Coast. But some budget hawks are grumbling about the impact on the
deficit; the Louisiana delegation's $250 billion bill would cost more
than the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administration on an
inflation-adjusted basis. Some critics of federal water projects said
the $40 billion Corps request could make the delegation look especially
greedy and undermine support for the state's reconstruction plans.
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations, but one GOP Senate aide said they should
not expect to get their entire wish list, voicing particular skepticism
of the funding for the Corps. Even before Katrina, Louisiana received
more Corps funding than any other state, and that was less than $400
million a year.
The overall Corps budget for fiscal 2005 was $4 billion, and Corps
officials have estimated that they could upgrade the New Orleans flood
protection system to defend against a Category 5 storm for about $2.5
billion.
"This bill boggles the mind," said Steve Ellis, a water resources expert
at Taxpayers for Common Sense. "Brazen doesn't begin to describe it. The
Louisiana delegation is using Katrina as an excuse to resurrect a
laundry list of pork projects."
What really boggles the mind is the 5.5 to 6 Billion a month we are pissing
away in Iraq! For what? Not of thing!
Damn, why should we even begin to think about spending any money on our OWN
people. ***** it away on a war we shouldn't even be in, oh yeah, damn
straight, "Bring it On"!
We all know in dealing with congress, that you need to ask for 5 times what
you need, to actually get, half of what is deserved. Of course that doesn't
apply if your Halliburton, Brown Root et al., and all your contracts are no
bid no compete.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
28 Sep 2005 07:43:09 AM |
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In article <1127761799.a66dbd75c9ddd692de8caa8026d392d7@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for Army
Corps of Engineers projects
[snip]
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations
It's clear that, as well as never having served in the U.S. armed
forces, Fred has also never had to deal with budget negotiations.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
28 Sep 2005 08:22:09 AM |
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chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in
news:280920050543097303%chib@nospam.com:
In article <1127761799.a66dbd75c9ddd692de8caa8026d392d7@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for
Army Corps of Engineers projects
[snip]
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations
It's clear that, as well as never having served in the U.S. armed
forces,
Poisoning the well, ad hominem.
Fred has also never had to deal with budget negotiations.
You consider $40 billion as a reasonable opening bid in a negotiation?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
15 Oct 2005 06:01:09 PM |
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In article <1127913730.92fc8b7b31ff52b6f1bac375d950ecd6@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in
news:280920050543097303%chib@nospam.com:
In article <1127761799.a66dbd75c9ddd692de8caa8026d392d7@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for
Army Corps of Engineers projects
[snip]
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations
It's clear that, as well as never having served in the U.S. armed
forces,
Poisoning the well, ad hominem.
Fred has also never had to deal with budget negotiations.
You consider $40 billion as a reasonable opening bid in a negotiation?
Isn't that about what top corporate execs get?
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
15 Oct 2005 06:46:28 PM |
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Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
news:proto-C098B4.19010915102005@reader2.panix.com:
In article <1127913730.92fc8b7b31ff52b6f1bac375d950ecd6@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in
news:280920050543097303%chib@nospam.com:
In article <1127761799.a66dbd75c9ddd692de8caa8026d392d7@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for
Army Corps of Engineers projects
[snip]
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point
for congressional deliberations
It's clear that, as well as never having served in the U.S. armed
forces,
Poisoning the well, ad hominem.
Fred has also never had to deal with budget negotiations.
You consider $40 billion as a reasonable opening bid in a
negotiation?
Isn't that about what top corporate execs get?
No.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Katrina spawns more looting |
26 Sep 2005 05:28:34 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:09:59 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501413_pf.html
Louisiana's congressional delegation has requested $40 billion for Army
Corps of Engineers projects in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, about 10
times the annual Corps budget for the entire nation, or 16 times the
amount the Corps has said it would need to protect New Orleans from a
Category 5 hurricane.
Louisiana Sens. David Vitter (R) and Mary Landrieu (D) tucked the
request into their $250 billion Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief and
Economic Recovery Act, the state's opening salvo in the scramble for
federal dollars.
The bill, unveiled last week, would create a powerful "Pelican
Commission" controlled by Louisiana residents that would decide which
Corps projects to fund, and ordered the commission to consider several
controversial navigation projects that have nothing to do with flood
protection. The Corps section of the Louisiana bill, which was supported
by the entire state delegation, was based on recommendations from a
"working group" dominated by lobbyists for ports, shipping firms, energy
companies and other corporate interests.
The bill would exempt any Corps projects approved by the commission from
provisions of the National Environmental Policy Act and the Clean Water
Act. It would also waive the usual Corps cost-sharing requirements,
ensuring that federal taxpayers would pay every dime.
With the public eager to help Katrina's victims, President Bush and
Congress have already approved $62.3 billion in spending for the Gulf
Coast. But some budget hawks are grumbling about the impact on the
deficit; the Louisiana delegation's $250 billion bill would cost more
than the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administration on an
inflation-adjusted basis. Some critics of federal water projects said
the $40 billion Corps request could make the delegation look especially
greedy and undermine support for the state's reconstruction plans.
Vitter and Landrieu have described their bill as a starting point for
congressional deliberations, but one GOP Senate aide said they should
not expect to get their entire wish list, voicing particular skepticism
of the funding for the Corps. Even before Katrina, Louisiana received
more Corps funding than any other state, and that was less than $400
million a year.
The overall Corps budget for fiscal 2005 was $4 billion, and Corps
officials have estimated that they could upgrade the New Orleans flood
protection system to defend against a Category 5 storm for about $2.5
billion.
"This bill boggles the mind," said Steve Ellis, a water resources expert
at Taxpayers for Common Sense. "Brazen doesn't begin to describe it. The
Louisiana delegation is using Katrina as an excuse to resurrect a
laundry list of pork projects."
So cut the pork out. I'm for it dumping it, and every other pork project in the
US.
duke
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