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"Yang, AthD h.c." |
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09 Oct 2004 05:08:05 PM |
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Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!
I would add, not just Kerry, Liberals in general cant take what they
dish out..................
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"'I have five words for Americans,'' he thundered. ''This is your wake
up call!''
Is that five words? Or is it six? Well, it's all very nuanced,
according to whether you hyphenate the ''wake-up.'' Maybe he
shouldhave said, ''I have four words plus a common hyphenated
expression for Americans.'' I'd suggest the rewrite to him personally,
but I don't want him to stare huffily at me and drone, "How dare you
attack my patriotism."
"That seems to be the way John Kerry likes it. Americans should be
free to call Bush a moron, a liar, a fraud, a deserter, an agent of
the House of Saud, a mass murderer, a mass rapist (according to the
speaker at a National Organization for Women rally last week) and the
new Hitler (according to just about everyone). But how dare anyone be
so impertinent as to insult John Kerry! No one has the right to insult
Kerry, except possibly Teresa, and only on the day she gives him his
allowance."
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn05.html
Kerry's showing he just can't take the heat
September 5, 2004
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement
Both candidates gave speeches late on Thursday night. George W. Bush
was more or less expected to. John Kerry didn't have to, but reported
for duty even though nobody wanted him to. Unnerved by sagging
numbers, he decided to start the post-Labor Day phase of the campaign
three days before Labor Day. The way things are going, Democrats seem
likely to be launching the post-election catastrophic-defeat
vicious-recriminations phase of the campaign round about Sept. 12.
At any rate, less than 60 minutes after President Bush gave a sober,
graceful, droll and moving address, Kerry decided to hit back. In the
midnight hour, he climbed out of his political coffin, and before his
thousands of aides could grab the garlic from Teresa's kitchen and
start waving it at him, he found himself in front of an audience and
started giving a speech. As in Vietnam, he was in no mood to take
prisoners: ''I have five words for Americans,'' he thundered. ''This
is your wake up call!''
Is that five words? Or is it six? Well, it's all very nuanced,
according to whether you hyphenate the ''wake-up.'' Maybe he should
have said, ''I have four words plus a common hyphenated expression for
Americans.'' I'd suggest the rewrite to him personally, but I don't
want him to stare huffily at me and drone, "How dare you attack my
patriotism."
By about nine words into John Kerry's wake up call, I was sound asleep
again. But this was what he told Ohio's brave band of chronic
insomniacs:
''For the past week, they attacked my patriotism and my fitness to
serve as commander in chief. Well, here's my answer. I'm not going to
have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who
refused to serve.''
Oh, dear . . . growing drowsy again . . . losing the will to type . ..
what's he saying now?
''Two tours of duty''
Ah, yes. As usual, he has four words for Americans: I served in
Vietnam. Or five words if you spell it Viet Nam.
So we have one candidate running on a platform of ambitious reforms
for an ''ownership society'' at home and a pledge to hunt down
America's enemies abroad. And we have another candidate running on the
platform that no one has the right to say anything mean about him.
And for this the senator broke the eminently civilized tradition that
each candidate lets the other guy have his convention week to himself?
Maybe they need to start scheduling those Kerry campaign shakeups
twice a week.
There was an old joke back in the Cold War:
Proud American to Russian guy: ''In my country every one of us has the
right to criticize our president.''
Russian guy: ''Same here. In my country every one of us has the right
to criticize your president.''
That seems to be the way John Kerry likes it. Americans should be free
to call Bush a moron, a liar, a fraud, a deserter, an agent of the
House of Saud, a mass murderer, a mass rapist (according to the
speaker at a National Organization for Women rally last week) and the
new Hitler (according to just about everyone). But how dare anyone be
so impertinent as to insult John Kerry! No one has the right to insult
Kerry, except possibly Teresa, and only on the day she gives him his
allowance.
Several distinguished analysts have suggested that the best rationale
for a Kerry presidency is that it would be a ''return to normalcy'' --
a quiet life after the epic pages of history George W. Bush has been
writing these last three years. Even if a ''return to normalcy'' were
an option, I doubt whether John Kerry would qualify. As we saw in
those two Thursday speeches, Bush takes the war seriously but he
doesn't take himself seriously -- self-deprecating jokes are
obligatory these days, but try to imagine Kerry doing the equivalent
of Bush's gags about mangled English and swaggering. The president is
comfortable in his own skin, which is why he shrugs off the Hitler
stuff. By contrast, Kerry doesn't take the war seriously because he's
so busy taking himself seriously. If ''return to normalcy'' means four
years of a grimly humorless, touchy, self-regarding Kerry presidency,
I'll take the war.
That's surely why Kerry is running his kamikaze kandidacy on biography
rather than any grand themes. Senator Kerrikaze is running for
president because he thinks he should be president -- who needs a
platform? One of the most revealing aspects of the campaign this last
week were the interviews given by his various surrogates. Terry
McAuliffe, the Democratic National Committee chairman, went on Hugh
Hewitt's radio show and was asked about the swift boat veterans' ads,
and he laughed and blustered and stalled and floundered. That sounded
weird. This thing's been going on a month now, and the Kerry campaign
still hasn't come up with a form of words to deflect questions about
it. If they had an agreed spin, McAuliffe and Co. would be out using
it. But the seared senator feels it's lese majeste even to question
him. He can talk about Vietnam 24/7, but nobody else is allowed to
bring it up.
Sorry, man, that's not the way it works. And if he thinks it does,
he's even further removed from the realities of democratic politics
than he was from the interior of Cambodia. Instead of those military
records the swift boat vets are calling for, I'd be more interested in
seeing his medical ones.
As for Bush, to be sure at one level his convention was a ''soft-focus
infomercial,'' just as Kerry's was. But the infomercial came into
sharp focus just often enough to clarify, piercingly, the differences
between the parties. On opening night in Boston, the Democrats staged
a tasteful, teary candlelight remembrance of those who died on 9/11.
On opening night in New York, the Republicans put up one speaker after
another -- John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Ron Silver -- resolved that
those thousands of innocents shall not have died in vain.
I remember a couple of days after Sept. 11 writing that weepy
candlelight vigils were a cop-out: the issue wasn't whether you were
sad about the dead people but whether you wanted to do something about
it. Three years on, the two conventions drew the same distinction. If
you want passivity and wallowing in victim culture, the Dems will do.
If you want to win this thing, Bush is the only guy running
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "RHS" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
09 Oct 2004 10:48:39 PM |
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You're a real rocket scientist aren't you.
So what you're trying to say is that if you're not a right wing nut, then
you're a liberal? Did you know that there is lots of ground in between. What
ever happened to being a moderate? You typify the small-brained right wing
idiot that follows a stooge like Bush.
Check your history idiot. Here's a couple of quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government".
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Bush will be packing in November.
"Yang, AthD h.c." <retrogrouch_36@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:915b0741.0410091408.7d669c75@posting.google.com...
Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!
I would add, not just Kerry, Liberals in general cant take what they
dish out..................
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"'I have five words for Americans,'' he thundered. ''This is your wake
up call!''
Is that five words? Or is it six? Well, it's all very nuanced,
according to whether you hyphenate the ''wake-up.'' Maybe he
shouldhave said, ''I have four words plus a common hyphenated
expression for Americans.'' I'd suggest the rewrite to him personally,
but I don't want him to stare huffily at me and drone, "How dare you
attack my patriotism."
"That seems to be the way John Kerry likes it. Americans should be
free to call Bush a moron, a liar, a fraud, a deserter, an agent of
the House of Saud, a mass murderer, a mass rapist (according to the
speaker at a National Organization for Women rally last week) and the
new Hitler (according to just about everyone). But how dare anyone be
so impertinent as to insult John Kerry! No one has the right to insult
Kerry, except possibly Teresa, and only on the day she gives him his
allowance."
----------------------
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn05.html
Kerry's showing he just can't take the heat
September 5, 2004
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement
Both candidates gave speeches late on Thursday night. George W. Bush
was more or less expected to. John Kerry didn't have to, but reported
for duty even though nobody wanted him to. Unnerved by sagging
numbers, he decided to start the post-Labor Day phase of the campaign
three days before Labor Day. The way things are going, Democrats seem
likely to be launching the post-election catastrophic-defeat
vicious-recriminations phase of the campaign round about Sept. 12.
At any rate, less than 60 minutes after President Bush gave a sober,
graceful, droll and moving address, Kerry decided to hit back. In the
midnight hour, he climbed out of his political coffin, and before his
thousands of aides could grab the garlic from Teresa's kitchen and
start waving it at him, he found himself in front of an audience and
started giving a speech. As in Vietnam, he was in no mood to take
prisoners: ''I have five words for Americans,'' he thundered. ''This
is your wake up call!''
Is that five words? Or is it six? Well, it's all very nuanced,
according to whether you hyphenate the ''wake-up.'' Maybe he should
have said, ''I have four words plus a common hyphenated expression for
Americans.'' I'd suggest the rewrite to him personally, but I don't
want him to stare huffily at me and drone, "How dare you attack my
patriotism."
By about nine words into John Kerry's wake up call, I was sound asleep
again. But this was what he told Ohio's brave band of chronic
insomniacs:
''For the past week, they attacked my patriotism and my fitness to
serve as commander in chief. Well, here's my answer. I'm not going to
have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who
refused to serve.''
Oh, dear . . . growing drowsy again . . . losing the will to type . ..
what's he saying now?
''Two tours of duty''
Ah, yes. As usual, he has four words for Americans: I served in
Vietnam. Or five words if you spell it Viet Nam.
So we have one candidate running on a platform of ambitious reforms
for an ''ownership society'' at home and a pledge to hunt down
America's enemies abroad. And we have another candidate running on the
platform that no one has the right to say anything mean about him.
And for this the senator broke the eminently civilized tradition that
each candidate lets the other guy have his convention week to himself?
Maybe they need to start scheduling those Kerry campaign shakeups
twice a week.
There was an old joke back in the Cold War:
Proud American to Russian guy: ''In my country every one of us has the
right to criticize our president.''
Russian guy: ''Same here. In my country every one of us has the right
to criticize your president.''
That seems to be the way John Kerry likes it. Americans should be free
to call Bush a moron, a liar, a fraud, a deserter, an agent of the
House of Saud, a mass murderer, a mass rapist (according to the
speaker at a National Organization for Women rally last week) and the
new Hitler (according to just about everyone). But how dare anyone be
so impertinent as to insult John Kerry! No one has the right to insult
Kerry, except possibly Teresa, and only on the day she gives him his
allowance.
Several distinguished analysts have suggested that the best rationale
for a Kerry presidency is that it would be a ''return to normalcy'' --
a quiet life after the epic pages of history George W. Bush has been
writing these last three years. Even if a ''return to normalcy'' were
an option, I doubt whether John Kerry would qualify. As we saw in
those two Thursday speeches, Bush takes the war seriously but he
doesn't take himself seriously -- self-deprecating jokes are
obligatory these days, but try to imagine Kerry doing the equivalent
of Bush's gags about mangled English and swaggering. The president is
comfortable in his own skin, which is why he shrugs off the Hitler
stuff. By contrast, Kerry doesn't take the war seriously because he's
so busy taking himself seriously. If ''return to normalcy'' means four
years of a grimly humorless, touchy, self-regarding Kerry presidency,
I'll take the war.
That's surely why Kerry is running his kamikaze kandidacy on biography
rather than any grand themes. Senator Kerrikaze is running for
president because he thinks he should be president -- who needs a
platform? One of the most revealing aspects of the campaign this last
week were the interviews given by his various surrogates. Terry
McAuliffe, the Democratic National Committee chairman, went on Hugh
Hewitt's radio show and was asked about the swift boat veterans' ads,
and he laughed and blustered and stalled and floundered. That sounded
weird. This thing's been going on a month now, and the Kerry campaign
still hasn't come up with a form of words to deflect questions about
it. If they had an agreed spin, McAuliffe and Co. would be out using
it. But the seared senator feels it's lese majeste even to question
him. He can talk about Vietnam 24/7, but nobody else is allowed to
bring it up.
Sorry, man, that's not the way it works. And if he thinks it does,
he's even further removed from the realities of democratic politics
than he was from the interior of Cambodia. Instead of those military
records the swift boat vets are calling for, I'd be more interested in
seeing his medical ones.
As for Bush, to be sure at one level his convention was a ''soft-focus
infomercial,'' just as Kerry's was. But the infomercial came into
sharp focus just often enough to clarify, piercingly, the differences
between the parties. On opening night in Boston, the Democrats staged
a tasteful, teary candlelight remembrance of those who died on 9/11.
On opening night in New York, the Republicans put up one speaker after
another -- John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Ron Silver -- resolved that
those thousands of innocents shall not have died in vain.
I remember a couple of days after Sept. 11 writing that weepy
candlelight vigils were a cop-out: the issue wasn't whether you were
sad about the dead people but whether you wanted to do something about
it. Three years on, the two conventions drew the same distinction. If
you want passivity and wallowing in victim culture, the Dems will do.
If you want to win this thing, Bush is the only guy running
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "Doorman" |
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10 Oct 2004 04:55:04 AM |
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Ah, you're just trying to argue with the #1 Bushevik troll of
alt.fan.michael-moore. Arguing with fools is generally ineffective. I
recommend moderated forums or using a killfile (unless you're a trollologist
like me). Unfortunately, you'll be hard pressed to killfile fast enough to
keep up with that particular troll. I estimate he or she has generated at
least 10 new identities this weekend.
RHS <nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You're a real rocket scientist aren't you.
So what you're trying to say is that if you're not a right wing
nut, then you're a liberal? Did you know that there is lots of
ground in between. What ever happened to being a moderate? You
typify the small-brained right wing idiot that follows a stooge
like Bush.
Check your history idiot. Here's a couple of quotes from Thomas
Jefferson: "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country
from the government". "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Bush will be packing in November.
<old stuff snip>
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
('Doorman' is a role-based pen name of Shannon Jacobs, copyright
2004.)
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread |
10 Oct 2004 04:42:50 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:55:04 +0900, Doorman wrote:
Ah, you're just trying to argue with the #1 Bushevik troll of
alt.fan.michael-moore. Arguing with fools is generally ineffective.
You got that right! I've been doing it for what, two months now? Basic
problem is that Fools just blow through what was posted and add little
nonesense remarks, inane narratives, or cannde responses with no relation
to the original post at all. For instance, take a look at the reply I'll
get to *this* response.
I
recommend moderated forums or using a killfile (unless you're a trollologist
like me).
Trollologist? HAHAHAHA. Should have read, "unless you're a moron like me"
Trollologist...you never cease to amaze, Jacobs...
Unfortunately, you'll be hard pressed to killfile fast enough to
keep up with that particular troll. I estimate he or she has generated at
least 10 new identities this weekend.
RHS <nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You're a real rocket scientist aren't you.
So what you're trying to say is that if you're not a right wing
nut, then you're a liberal? Did you know that there is lots of
ground in between. What ever happened to being a moderate? You
typify the small-brained right wing idiot that follows a stooge
like Bush.
Check your history idiot. Here's a couple of quotes from Thomas
Jefferson: "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country
from the government". "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Bush will be packing in November.
<old stuff snip>
--
Besides, what would they say if I told them
I was hanging out with Vash The Stampede?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
10 Oct 2004 12:15:30 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:48:39 GMT, "RHS" <nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You're a real rocket scientist aren't you.
So what you're trying to say is that if you're not a right wing nut, then
you're a liberal? Did you know that there is lots of ground in between. What
ever happened to being a moderate? You typify the small-brained right wing
idiot that follows a stooge like Bush.
Check your history idiot. Here's a couple of quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government".
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Bush will be packing in November.
And as one of the last great republican president said it:
_______
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-President Teddy Roosevelt
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| User: "NINJA" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
10 Oct 2004 04:37:32 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:15:30 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:48:39 GMT, "RHS" <nospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You're a real rocket scientist aren't you.
So what you're trying to say is that if you're not a right wing nut, then
you're a liberal? Did you know that there is lots of ground in between. What
ever happened to being a moderate? You typify the small-brained right wing
idiot that follows a stooge like Bush.
Check your history idiot. Here's a couple of quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government".
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Bush will be packing in November.
And as one of the last great republican president said it:
_______
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-President Teddy Roosevelt
anyone that thinks the president actually runs the country needs a
check up from the neck up
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| User: "Doorman" |
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| Title: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread |
10 Oct 2004 05:17:43 AM |
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If you are a fellow American patriot and lover of the First Amendment, then
by these presents greetings. It is good that you seek rational and
democratic discussion of the great and urgent issues facing our nation.
Unfortunately, I think you've come to the wrong place. See the bottom of
this post for additional evidence--but this entire enormous thread is
dedicated to the display of the freshest original parts of such disruptive
anti-democratic tripe. With the witless assistance of the Bushevik trolls,
it only took a short time to build this "tower of babble".
Especially if you remember the old days of rational discussion in the
newsgroups, this triumph of noise over signal may sadden you. Hyde Park of
the world and cheap advertising are all that remain.
However, there are still alternatives. For example, there are many moderated
forums on the Internet where civil discussions and real conversations can be
found. Even better if you can build bridges to real people in the physical
world. For example, you could treat a rational RINO to a movie--like
Fahrenheit 9/11. Lots of good books still being published, or you could
write a letter to the editor for your local paper--you'll reach more real
people and have more impact than here. Or you could donate to the political
campaigns--I confess I've already made six donations. Just remember that big
money is harming democracy, that BushCo has more money than anyone, and that
if money alone decides elections then the American republic is already dead.
Last, but MOST important: VOTE! Your nation needs you NOW!
On the other hand, if you are a Bushevik troll, then in the immortal
floor-of-the-Senate words of the unloved ***** Cheney: "Go ***** yourself."
That mentality goes a long way towards explaining blather like this:
NINJA <NINJA@SWORD.EDG> wrote:
<old stuff snip>
anyone that thinks the president actually runs the country needs a
check up from the neck up
[Or "misleads", in the special case of Dubya.]
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
('Doorman' is a role-based pen name of Shannon Jacobs, copyright
2004.)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
10 Oct 2004 03:34:28 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:37:32 -0400, NINJA <NINJA@SWORD.EDG> wrote:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-President Teddy Roosevelt
anyone that thinks the president actually runs the country needs a
check up from the neck up
Well certainly not this one. Rove and Cheney make most of his
decisions.
But the real powers, the Fed, the DOD, CIA, and bureaucracy and the
monied will mostly be working for Bush's removal.
_______
Vote Bush/Voldemort 2004!
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry can not take the heat. LIBERALS HATE AMERICA! |
11 Oct 2004 01:13:13 AM |
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<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:f47jm0tcnri5h8p80uk5q3vpp4ard83rl4@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:37:32 -0400, NINJA <NINJA@SWORD.EDG> wrote:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-President Teddy Roosevelt
anyone that thinks the president actually runs the country needs a
check up from the neck up
Well certainly not this one. Rove and Cheney make most of his
decisions.
But the real powers, the Fed, the DOD, CIA, and bureaucracy and the
monied will mostly be working for Bush's removal.
You forgot Poland.
Jim
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