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User: "Bill Reilly"
Date: 20 Aug 2004 08:16:55 PM
Object: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!!
Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat
Troops!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=1972

Something to Yak About - Kerry Says He's "Proud' He and Edwards Voted
Against U.S. Combat Troops
In an apparent lapse of candor, John Kerry Monday told a women's
luncheon that he's "proud" he and running mate John Edwards voted
against our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Yak swears we
are not making this up. He was specifically referring to an $87
billion military appropriation - you know, the 87 billion one he
actually voted for before voting against. Yeah, that one.
John Kerry's Vote Against Our Troops
Cut through the fog of liberal rhetoric and one thing becomes
strikingly clear - John Kerry and John Edwards voted against
supporting our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - period. How else might
one describe voting against higher combat pay for troops in the field?
Is there another way to portray opposition to body armor for soldiers
facing incoming? Is there some liberal nuance behind voting "no' on
health care for reserve troops and their kids and their husbands or
wives?
Call Me Irresponsible?
Not too terribly long ago, John Kerry was telling network TV
interviewers it would be "irresponsible' to vote against the bill he
voted against. What in the world happened on the road from
"irresponsible,' to "proud'? (AUDIO NOTE: Ya, we've got the
"irresponsible' audio and can ship an MP3 in two shakes.)
The Hate Goes On
The lefties over at Move On Dot Org, those multi-million dollar
John-John backers and presumably part of the "heart and soul' of John
Kerry's America, are at it again. Seems one of the infamous Hitler ads
they moved on their website some months ago - the one not repudiated
by John or John - is still up there. These are the same folks who
first tried to deny the Hitler ad's existence, then tried to distance
themselves from it.
When Garden Variety Hate Becomes Dangerous
Bush Haters and other John Kerry supporters apparently know no bounds.
A gaggle of Bush Hating anarchists - perhaps part of the "heart and
soul' of John Kerry's America - are passing around instructions on how
to compromise security at the Republican Convention in New York this
summer endangering the citizenry of NYC in the process. Public service
officials in NYC are reportedly furious at these Bush Haters, calling
their proposed tactics, "the height of irresponsibility." Anyone
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User: "Lloyd Parker"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 06:55:06 AM
In article <0j8di0damo88cneulvd3d5h71kls46m6j9@4ax.com>,
Bill Reilly <bareilly@N0T0NESPAM.C0M> wrote:

Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat
Troops!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=1972


Something to Yak About - Kerry Says He's "Proud' He and Edwards Voted
Against U.S. Combat Troops
In an apparent lapse of candor, John Kerry Monday told a women's
luncheon that he's "proud" he and running mate John Edwards voted
against our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You are a liar.

The Yak swears we
are not making this up. He was specifically referring to an $87
billion military appropriation - you know, the 87 billion one he
actually voted for before voting against. Yeah, that one.

Which was not a vote "against our troops," lying scum.


John Kerry's Vote Against Our Troops
Cut through the fog of liberal rhetoric and one thing becomes
strikingly clear - John Kerry and John Edwards voted against
supporting our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - period. How else might
one describe voting against higher combat pay for troops in the field?
Is there another way to portray opposition to body armor for soldiers
facing incoming? Is there some liberal nuance behind voting "no' on
health care for reserve troops and their kids and their husbands or
wives?

Call Me Irresponsible?

I call you lying scum.
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 12:24:08 PM
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:cg7r6p$t7b$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...

In article <0j8di0damo88cneulvd3d5h71kls46m6j9@4ax.com>,
Bill Reilly <bareilly@N0T0NESPAM.C0M> wrote:

Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat
Troops!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=1972


Something to Yak About - Kerry Says He's "Proud' He and Edwards Voted
Against U.S. Combat Troops
In an apparent lapse of candor, John Kerry Monday told a women's
luncheon that he's "proud" he and running mate John Edwards voted
against our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.


You are a liar.

The Yak swears we
are not making this up. He was specifically referring to an $87
billion military appropriation - you know, the 87 billion one he
actually voted for before voting against. Yeah, that one.


Which was not a vote "against our troops," lying scum.

Kerry, himself, called a vote against this appropriation "reckless
abandonment of our troops".
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Politics/tapper_kerry_040319-1.html
Was he a lying scum, too? No need to answer - we all know the facts on that
issue.
James
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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 12:40:38 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

Kerry, himself, called a vote against this appropriation "reckless
abandonment of our troops".

Was he a lying scum, too? No need to answer - we all know the facts on that
issue.

If you "know the facts", you can answer a simple question:
Did Kerry vote for and against the exact same bill?
If the two bills were different, here's a bonus question:
What was the difference?
We all know the answers -- we just want to know whether _you_ do.
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 01:40:26 PM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

Kerry, himself, called a vote against this appropriation "reckless
abandonment of our troops".

Was he a lying scum, too? No need to answer - we all know the facts on

that

issue.



If you "know the facts", you can answer a simple question:
Did Kerry vote for and against the exact same bill?

He only voted once on the bill. Against it.
He stated that he would support the bill as it stood (see carefully snipped
reference to embarrassing statement), and then voted against it when his
amendment was rejected. Is that clear enough?
James
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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 02:14:46 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

He only voted once on the bill. Against it.
He stated that he would support the bill as it stood (see carefully snipped
reference to embarrassing statement), and then voted against it when his
amendment was rejected. Is that clear enough?

And what was the amendment?
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 04:48:49 PM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

He only voted once on the bill. Against it.
He stated that he would support the bill as it stood (see carefully

snipped

reference to embarrassing statement), and then voted against it when his
amendment was rejected. Is that clear enough?



And what was the amendment?

He asks rhetorically, and irrelevantly.
The amendment was about raising taxes to fund the bill. He authored it, but
found no support. So, despite his promise not to "recklessly abandon the
troops", he voted against the bill, out of a fit of pique, I suppose.
James
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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 05:58:37 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote


"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote

And what was the amendment?


He asks rhetorically, and irrelevantly.

The amendment was about raising taxes to fund the bill. He authored it, but
found no support. So, despite his promise not to "recklessly abandon the
troops", he voted against the bill, out of a fit of pique, I suppose.

You seem to misunderstand what "rhetorical" means. Also what "irrelevant"
means. That's OK. You may be merely ignorant, which can be fixed, rather than
willfully stupid.
You do seem to have a glimmer of understanding: apparently you know that Kerry
voted for spending $87 billion, but voted against spending $87 billion of
_borrowed_money_. I know that Republican orthodoxy, nowadays, is that we can
fight wars of choice on the cuff, because "deficits don't matter". I merely
wonder what exactly is "conservative" about that notion.
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 22 Aug 2004 01:47:27 AM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote


"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote

And what was the amendment?


He asks rhetorically, and irrelevantly.

The amendment was about raising taxes to fund the bill. He authored it,

but

found no support. So, despite his promise not to "recklessly abandon the
troops", he voted against the bill, out of a fit of pique, I suppose.



You seem to misunderstand what "rhetorical" means.

It may "seem" so, but the word is used correctly. You ask the question as a
method of making a rhetorical point, rather than to gather information.

Also what "irrelevant"

The question is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the issue,
namely, did John Kerry 1) say that it would be reckless to abandon our
troops, when asked if he would vote for the bill (w/o amendment) and 2)
voted against the bill (w/o amendment. Your discussion of the nature of the
amendment has nothing to do with this contradiction, and is merely a red
herring thrown in to deflect attention from Kerry's stupid remark.

means. That's OK. You may be merely ignorant, which can be fixed, rather

than

willfully stupid.

Thanks for your confidence in my ability to correct my shortcomings. Now I
suggest that you work on that deficiency you have, namely the chutzpa that
leads you to imagine that you have the ability to critique the intellectual
capability of others. I suggest that you concentrate on your own shortfalls
there. For example, "willful stupidity" is an oxymoron.


You do seem to have a glimmer of understanding: apparently you know that

Kerry

voted for spending $87 billion, but voted against spending $87 billion of
_borrowed_money_. I know that Republican orthodoxy, nowadays, is that we

can

fight wars of choice on the cuff, because "deficits don't matter". I

merely

wonder what exactly is "conservative" about that notion.

You continue to be (willfully?) confused on this issue. There never were two
votes on the bill. There was a vote on an amendment - defeated by a wide
margin, and a vote on the bill itself, passed by a wide margin.
Kerry was on the short end of the stick both times, and widely criticized by
his colleagues on both sides of the aisle for his hypocritical posing. Are
you attempting to emulate him?
James
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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 22 Aug 2004 12:08:51 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

You continue to be (willfully?) confused on this issue. There never were two
votes on the bill. There was a vote on an amendment - defeated by a wide
margin, and a vote on the bill itself, passed by a wide margin.

There never are two votes on _any_ bill. Even if a Senator wanted to, he could
not vote both "yes" and "no" on the same bill. So imagine someone proposes a
bill that says "Let's give James $87 to buy a clue with", and imagine I offer an
amendment: "Strike the last 5 words". I vote for my amendment, but it fails.
So we proceed to vote on the bill, and I vote against it, but it passes. Net
result: the majority clearly wants you to buy a clue, whereas I wanted to give
you $87 straight up. But some idiot is sure to come along and say I
flip-flopped. Don't be that idiot, James.
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 23 Aug 2004 01:06:15 AM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

You continue to be (willfully?) confused on this issue. There never were

two

votes on the bill. There was a vote on an amendment - defeated by a wide
margin, and a vote on the bill itself, passed by a wide margin.



There never are two votes on _any_ bill.

At least he has that straight, now.
Even if a Senator wanted to, he could

not vote both "yes" and "no" on the same bill. So imagine someone

proposes a

bill that says "Let's give James $87 to buy a clue with", and imagine I

offer an

amendment: "Strike the last 5 words". I vote for my amendment, but it

fails.

So we proceed to vote on the bill, and I vote against it, but it passes.

Net

result: the majority clearly wants you to buy a clue, whereas I wanted to

give

you $87 straight up. But some idiot is sure to come along and say I
flip-flopped. Don't be that idiot, James.

The fact that you vote for an amendment to the bill does not provide any
indication whether you supported the bill or not. It only tells us your
postion on the amendment. Congressmen often use the ploy of attaching an
unacceptable amendment to a bill in order to torpedo the bill itself.
As has been stated MANY times in this thread, the "flip-flop" was 1) he
stated on TV that he would support the bill and 2) he voted against it. It
had nothing to do with your red herring, the amendment.
To summarize: Kerry made a remark on TV about how a vote against the bill
would be reckless abandonment of our troops, and then he voted against the
bill. Reread about it in the ABC News ink that you keep snipping out.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Politics/tapper_kerry_040319-1.html
James


-- TP


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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 24 Aug 2004 12:26:27 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

... Congressmen often use the ploy of attaching an
unacceptable amendment to a bill in order to torpedo the bill itself.

"Unacceptable" is a matter of taste. To conservative Republicans, raising taxes
a little bit was unacceptable -- even to pay for a war of choice.
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 25 Aug 2004 02:38:37 AM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

... Congressmen often use the ploy of attaching an
unacceptable amendment to a bill in order to torpedo the bill itself.



"Unacceptable" is a matter of taste. To conservative Republicans, raising

taxes

a little bit was unacceptable -- even to pay for a war of choice.

You are a bit slow aren't you. The sentence above makes no mention of a
specific case. It points out that there are many reasons, in general, for
atttempting to attach an amendment to a bill. And voting for the amendment
has nothing to do with support for the bill. Kerry's attempt to argue that
he "supported" the bill because he voted for his own amendment to it is a
crock of *****.
James


-- TP


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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 25 Aug 2004 09:54:00 AM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote


"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message


"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

... Congressmen often use the ploy of attaching an
unacceptable amendment to a bill in order to torpedo the bill itself.



"Unacceptable" is a matter of taste. To conservative Republicans, raising

taxes

a little bit was unacceptable -- even to pay for a war of choice.


You are a bit slow aren't you. The sentence above makes no mention of a
specific case. It points out that there are many reasons, in general, for
atttempting to attach an amendment to a bill. And voting for the amendment
has nothing to do with support for the bill. Kerry's attempt to argue that
he "supported" the bill because he voted for his own amendment to it is a
crock of *****.

Go watch a little C-span. Of course _some_ amendments get offered in order to
"torpedo" bills, but many (if not most) amendments are offered in order to
_improve_ bills. In the "specific case" that _you_ want to talk about, John
Kerry did not offer a totally unrelated poison-pill amendment. He offered an
amendment to actually _raise_the_money_ for the bill. But I keep forgetting:
Republicans want to prove they're tough enough to "defend" the country with
borrowed money, so of course that was a poison pill as far they were concerned.
And they seem to have suckered _you_ pretty good.
-- TP
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 25 Aug 2004 02:21:19 PM
"tonyp" <tonyp@world.std.com> wrote in message
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"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote


You are a bit slow aren't you. The sentence above makes no mention of a
specific case. It points out that there are many reasons, in general,

for

atttempting to attach an amendment to a bill. And voting for the

amendment

has nothing to do with support for the bill. Kerry's attempt to argue

that

he "supported" the bill because he voted for his own amendment to it is

a

crock of *****.



Go watch a little C-span. Of course _some_ amendments get offered in

order to

"torpedo" bills, but many (if not most) amendments are offered in order to
_improve_ bills. In the "specific case" that _you_ want to talk about,

John

Kerry did not offer a totally unrelated poison-pill amendment. He offered

an

amendment to actually _raise_the_money_ for the bill. But I keep

forgetting:

Republicans want to prove they're tough enough to "defend" the country

with

borrowed money, so of course that was a poison pill as far they were

concerned.

And they seem to have suckered _you_ pretty good.

The amendment that Kerry offered was NOT the bill. Kerry never voted for the
bill, despite his claims to the contrary. He only voted once, and that was
against the bill. He stated earlier on TV that he would vote for the bill,
even if his amendment failed. Kerry lied - twice.
Your failure to address the issue of his lies , and attempt to redirect
attention to this failed amendment appears to be a tacit admission on your
part that you agree with the charge that he lied - once when he said he
would vote for the bill, and again when he claimed he had voted for the
bill.
I accept your admission as to the fact that Kerry lied.
James
James


-- TP


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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 25 Aug 2004 03:17:25 PM
"James" <jarveson@nospam.net> wrote

I accept your admission as to the fact that Kerry lied.

Of course you do. You probably still believe in Iraqui WMD, too. It must be
fun to "accept" figments of your own imagination.
-- TP
.






User: "General Sam"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US CombatTroops!!!!!!!!!! 22 Aug 2004 05:47:18 PM
tonyp wrote:

But some idiot is sure to come along and say I flip-flopped.

Iraq War
"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to
the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your
concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would
have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and
against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go
to war." letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton
Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]
And at the same time, he wrote this:
"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support
for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and
unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the
policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the
Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]
Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N.
resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's
the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation
of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing
into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on
this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month
ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they
shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think
those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they
permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right
for him to make this challenge. crossfire
Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has
made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of
his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the
stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even
to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of
John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003
Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary
actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's
refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to
President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
and others.
Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist
the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading
nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious
standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the
willingness of most other nations — including a number who are joined in
the sanctions to isolate Iraq — is neither wide nor deep to join in
imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its
act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate
Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!
Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the
international community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of
the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails
to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times
Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Senate Speech
Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us
since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know
after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he
has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval,
to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of
proliferation."
Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little
doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow
him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches (Thanks Scot!)
Oct 9, 2002: "Regime change has been an American policy under the
Clinton administration, and it is the current policy. I support the
policy. But regime change in and of itself is not sufficient
justification for going to war--particularly unilaterally--unless regime
change is the only way to disarm Iraq of the weapons of mass destruction
pursuant to the United Nations resolution." Speech on senate floor
(Thanks Aaron)
Jan 23, 2003: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He
is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's
response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of
mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real..."
Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not
give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able
to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the
job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,”) (watch)
Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to
abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to – to whatever follows as
a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is
responsible is for the administration to do this properly now.” (CBS’
“Face The Nation,”) (watch)
Dec 2, 2003: Did I expect George Bush to ***** it up as badly as he did?
I don't think anybody did. Now that's what I call presidential!
www.johnkerry.com
Dec 15, 2003: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is
critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance
in Iraq is an advance forward in that..."
Jan 30, 2004: "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said
when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of
terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."
washtims (Thanks Michael!)
Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted
against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen)
Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that
does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George
Washington University, Washington, DC)
Apr 7, 2004: When speaking of terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr's
newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it
urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public
Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in
Iraq." Then, finding another way to parallel what Ted Kennedy was saying
this week: "If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and
continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to
who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious
problem for the long run here" newsmax Well, it's clear that the Iman
enjoys the support of JFK and Ted Kennedy:
Shiite terrorist leader Muqtada al-Sadr was so impressed with Sen. Ted
Kennedy's portrayal of the war in Iraq as "George Bush's Vietnam," he's
picked up the theme himself.
"Iraq will be another Vietnam for America and the occupiers," al-Sadr
said in a statement issued from his office in Najaf.
Al-Sadr's remark mirrored Kennedy's own anti-war blast, when he told the
Brookings Institution, "Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam."
"I call upon the American people to stand beside their brethren, the
Iraqi people, who are suffering an injustice by your rulers and the
occupying army, to help them in the transfer of power to honest Iraqis,"
the al-Sadr statement continued, according to the Associated Press.
No doubt Sen. Kennedy will echo the al-Sadr sentiment in his next
address. newsmax
April 27, 2004: Just a few weeks ago in a speech, he said: "George
Bush sold us on going to war with Iraq based on the threat of weapons of
mass destruction. But we still haven't found them. ... We were misled
about weapons of mass destruction." But there's a different view today.
"It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue -
and we may yet find them," newsmax
May 11, 2004: "What has happened is not just something that a few, you
know, privates and corporals or sergeants engaged in." newsmax Once
again, showing how you can disregard the facts, creating your own in
order to score points with the demon-crat supporters...
May 13, 2004: "I will fight a more effective war on terror because I
would never have thrown out of the door or window the obligations of the
Geneva Conventions," newsmax Aha! So the prison guards were told not
to follow the Geneva Convention??!!?? And secondly, how does this make
you more effective at the war on terror?? JFK, I question your
intelligence.
July 8, 2004: On Larry King Live, King asked: News of the day, Tom
Ridge warned today about al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the
United States. Didn't increase the -- you see any politics in this?
What's your reaction? to which JFK responded, "Well, I haven't been
briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had
time." Gee, sorry you've been so busy that you have felt that
fundraisers were more important than you keeping up-to-date with
national security...
July 26, 2004: "You don't value families if you force them to take up a
collection to buy body armor for a son or daughter in the service."
newsmax Gee, and to think you voted AGAINST getting the body armor for
the troops....
http://www.kerryquotes.com/
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User: "tonyp"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 22 Aug 2004 06:23:40 PM
"General Sam" <patriot@americans.biz> wrote

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to
the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your
concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would
have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and
against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go
to war." letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton
Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support
for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and
unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the
policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the
Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

"Opposition ... to the early use of military force" versus "supported President
Bush's ... policy goals" seems like a contradiction to you. I guess you believe
that if somebody supports the _goals_, but disagrees with the _tactics_, of a
President named Bush, then that person is a hypocrite or a flip-flopper. This
is a curious view. It implies that you believe Presidents named Bush are
infallible in, or at least must never be questioned about, their choice of
tactics. Even if one President Bush thought the world was better off leaving
Saddam in power, and the other President Bush thought the opposite, Presidents
named Bush are always right, eh?
-- TP


Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N.
resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's
the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation
of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing
into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on
this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month
ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they
shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think
those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they
permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right
for him to make this challenge. crossfire

Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has
made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of
his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the
stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even
to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of
John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary
actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's
refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to
President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
and others.

Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist
the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading
nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious
standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the
willingness of most other nations — including a number who are joined in
the sanctions to isolate Iraq — is neither wide nor deep to join in
imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its
act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate
Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!

Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the
international community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of
the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails
to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times

Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Senate Speech

Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us
since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know
after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he
has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval,
to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of
proliferation."

Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little
doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow
him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches (Thanks Scot!)

Oct 9, 2002: "Regime change has been an American policy under the
Clinton administration, and it is the current policy. I support the
policy. But regime change in and of itself is not sufficient
justification for going to war--particularly unilaterally--unless regime
change is the only way to disarm Iraq of the weapons of mass destruction
pursuant to the United Nations resolution." Speech on senate floor
(Thanks Aaron)

Jan 23, 2003: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He
is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's
response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of
mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real..."

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not
give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able
to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the
job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to
abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to – to whatever follows as
a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is
responsible is for the administration to do this properly now.” (CBS’
“Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Dec 2, 2003: Did I expect George Bush to ***** it up as badly as he did?
I don't think anybody did. Now that's what I call presidential!
www.johnkerry.com

Dec 15, 2003: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is
critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance
in Iraq is an advance forward in that..."

Jan 30, 2004: "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said
when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of
terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."
washtims (Thanks Michael!)

Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted
against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen)

Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that
does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George
Washington University, Washington, DC)

Apr 7, 2004: When speaking of terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr's
newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it
urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public
Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in
Iraq." Then, finding another way to parallel what Ted Kennedy was saying
this week: "If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and
continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to
who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious
problem for the long run here" newsmax Well, it's clear that the Iman
enjoys the support of JFK and Ted Kennedy:
Shiite terrorist leader Muqtada al-Sadr was so impressed with Sen. Ted
Kennedy's portrayal of the war in Iraq as "George Bush's Vietnam," he's
picked up the theme himself.

"Iraq will be another Vietnam for America and the occupiers," al-Sadr
said in a statement issued from his office in Najaf.

Al-Sadr's remark mirrored Kennedy's own anti-war blast, when he told the
Brookings Institution, "Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam."

"I call upon the American people to stand beside their brethren, the
Iraqi people, who are suffering an injustice by your rulers and the
occupying army, to help them in the transfer of power to honest Iraqis,"
the al-Sadr statement continued, according to the Associated Press.

No doubt Sen. Kennedy will echo the al-Sadr sentiment in his next
address. newsmax

April 27, 2004: Just a few weeks ago in a speech, he said: "George
Bush sold us on going to war with Iraq based on the threat of weapons of
mass destruction. But we still haven't found them. ... We were misled
about weapons of mass destruction." But there's a different view today.
"It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue -
and we may yet find them," newsmax

May 11, 2004: "What has happened is not just something that a few, you
know, privates and corporals or sergeants engaged in." newsmax Once
again, showing how you can disregard the facts, creating your own in
order to score points with the demon-crat supporters...

May 13, 2004: "I will fight a more effective war on terror because I
would never have thrown out of the door or window the obligations of the
Geneva Conventions," newsmax Aha! So the prison guards were told not
to follow the Geneva Convention??!!?? And secondly, how does this make
you more effective at the war on terror?? JFK, I question your
intelligence.

July 8, 2004: On Larry King Live, King asked: News of the day, Tom
Ridge warned today about al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the
United States. Didn't increase the -- you see any politics in this?
What's your reaction? to which JFK responded, "Well, I haven't been
briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had
time." Gee, sorry you've been so busy that you have felt that
fundraisers were more important than you keeping up-to-date with
national security...

July 26, 2004: "You don't value families if you force them to take up a
collection to buy body armor for a son or daughter in the service."
newsmax Gee, and to think you voted AGAINST getting the body armor for
the troops....

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

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User: "General Sam"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US CombatTroops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 02:34:12 PM
Lloyd Parker wrote:

I call you lying scum.

I call you a liberal professor playing usenet troll on:
oxford137.oxford.emory.edu school resources.
Why don't we ask how:
feels about it.
Now go back to your chem. lab, troll.
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User: "James"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 04:55:29 PM
"General Sam" <patriot@americans.biz> wrote in message
news:utNVc.5795$746.1718@roc.nntpserver.com...

Lloyd Parker wrote:


I call you lying scum.



I call you a liberal professor playing usenet troll on:

That's a liberal ASSOCIATE professor at a junior college.

oxford137.oxford.emory.edu school resources.

Why don't we ask how:

feels about it.

Now go back to your chem. lab, troll.

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James
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User: "General Sam"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US CombatTroops!!!!!!!!!! 21 Aug 2004 05:18:30 PM
James wrote:

"General Sam" <patriot@americans.biz> wrote in message
news:utNVc.5795$746.1718@roc.nntpserver.com...

Lloyd Parker wrote:



I call you lying scum.



I call you a liberal professor playing usenet troll on:



That's a liberal ASSOCIATE professor at a junior college.

Mbwhahaha!
I stand corrected.
How'd he escape from sci.environment anyway...

oxford137.oxford.emory.edu school resources.

Why don't we ask how:

feels about it.

Now go back to your chem. lab, troll.

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James


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User: "mobiledan"

Title: Re: Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat Troops!!!!!!!!!! 22 Aug 2004 01:36:43 AM
liar
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:cg7r6p$t7b$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...

In article <0j8di0damo88cneulvd3d5h71kls46m6j9@4ax.com>,
Bill Reilly <bareilly@N0T0NESPAM.C0M> wrote:

Kerry Says He is Proud that He and Edwards Voted Against US Combat
Troops!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=1972


Something to Yak About - Kerry Says He's "Proud' He and Edwards Voted
Against U.S. Combat Troops
In an apparent lapse of candor, John Kerry Monday told a women's
luncheon that he's "proud" he and running mate John Edwards voted
against our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.


You are a liar.

The Yak swears we
are not making this up. He was specifically referring to an $87
billion military appropriation - you know, the 87 billion one he
actually voted for before voting against. Yeah, that one.


Which was not a vote "against our troops," lying scum.


John Kerry's Vote Against Our Troops
Cut through the fog of liberal rhetoric and one thing becomes
strikingly clear - John Kerry and John Edwards voted against
supporting our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - period. How else might
one describe voting against higher combat pay for troops in the field?
Is there another way to portray opposition to body armor for soldiers
facing incoming? Is there some liberal nuance behind voting "no' on
health care for reserve troops and their kids and their husbands or
wives?

Call Me Irresponsible?


I call you lying scum.

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