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"Johnny P" |
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22 Aug 2007 10:52:46 AM |
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King David: Myth? |
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Johnny P
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| User: "Johnny P" |
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| Title: Re: King David: Myth? |
22 Aug 2007 03:32:47 PM |
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Ummm there is no point in arguing anymore in this place. It stresses me
out. Have a nice life ( I know, you already do) "Don't I really mean I
have no facts to back up my claim?" Isnt that why Im a moron and cant argue
effectively with people that know what is going on?" Exactly yep, thats my
fault not yours.
The invisible "Jeebus" (the one with the drug induced smile in all the
pictures of him) is going to set me free from the non existent boogeyman in
less than six months. Im delusional, obviously. :/
I dont have to argue about it, I know its a fact thats hes real.. He's
quite the tester. Extremely funny. :)
This is absolutely ridiculous to me.
Bye
t
"Johnny P" <vassago9367@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did
he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such
a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical
accounts
clash?
Johnny P
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: King David: Myth? |
22 Aug 2007 04:00:33 PM |
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Johnny P wrote:
Ummm there is no point in arguing anymore in this place. It
stresses me out. Have a nice life ( I know, you already do) "Don't
I really mean I have no facts to back up my claim?" Isnt that why Im
a moron and cant argue effectively with people that know what is
going on?" Exactly yep, thats my fault not yours.
The invisible "Jeebus" (the one with the drug induced smile in all
the pictures of him) is going to set me free from the non existent
boogeyman in less than six months. Im delusional, obviously. :/
I dont have to argue about it, I know its a fact thats hes real..
He's quite the tester. Extremely funny. :)
This is absolutely ridiculous to me.
What the fucking *****?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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22 Aug 2007 08:19:27 PM |
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Johnny P wrote:
Ummm there is no point in arguing anymore in this place. It stresses me
out. Have a nice life ( I know, you already do) "Don't I really mean I
have no facts to back up my claim?" Isnt that why Im a moron and cant argue
effectively with people that know what is going on?" Exactly yep, thats my
fault not yours.
The invisible "Jeebus" (the one with the drug induced smile in all the
pictures of him) is going to set me free from the non existent boogeyman in
less than six months. Im delusional, obviously. :/
I dont have to argue about it, I know its a fact thats hes real.. He's
quite the tester. Extremely funny. :)
This is absolutely ridiculous to me.
Bye
t
The fact that you can see this in yourself means there may still be hope
for you, as long as you don't go running for the nearest church.
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Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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| Title: Re: King David: Myth? |
22 Aug 2007 12:25:02 PM |
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"Johnny P" <vassago9367@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:13co5c17spjkh4c@corp.supernews.com:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real...
Really!? Is that different from being just a little bit real?
... It's a historical fact that he existed...
According to at least one historical document, I presume. Depending on how
you evaluate historical documents. Which method do you prefer?
How
did he get to the position that he was in?...
Well, according to the Old Testament, he used god's favor to cheat an
innocent husband; stealing his wife by killing the husband with his
authority to send the husband to the very thick of whatever particular
battle YHVH had orded from time to time. As is HIS whim.
... Another story made up by
theists?...
I give up. Your gift for satire is a humiliation to me.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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23 Aug 2007 03:30:30 AM |
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"Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994E3F56B181nobodynotmailcom@61.9.191.5...
"Johnny P" <vassago9367@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:13co5c17spjkh4c@corp.supernews.com:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real...
Really!? Is that different from being just a little bit real?
... It's a historical fact that he existed...
According to at least one historical document, I presume. Depending on
how
you evaluate historical documents. Which method do you prefer?
How
did he get to the position that he was in?...
Well, according to the Old Testament, he used god's favor to cheat an
innocent husband; stealing his wife by killing the husband with his
authority to send the husband to the very thick of whatever particular
battle YHVH had orded from time to time. As is HIS whim.
But by that account he was already the King. Do you mean the missionary
position? Or perhaps this is how Bush plans to get to be King?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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22 Aug 2007 11:41:00 AM |
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Johnny P wrote:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Johnny P
Go educate yourself. Read "The Bible Unearthed"
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Geoff" |
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22 Aug 2007 03:52:00 PM |
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Johnny P wrote:
King David: Myth?
Yes. Aside from the Bible, there are no independent sources verifying his
existence. It all appears he was made up to justify the political claims of
the Kingdom of Judah over the land they called Israel (not to be confused
with present-day Israel). Unfortunately, despite this their claim of being
the Chosen People, they were far to weak to assert themselves and got
repeatedly *****-slapped by their neighbors.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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22 Aug 2007 06:58:06 PM |
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On Aug 22, 3:52 am, "Johnny P" <vassago9...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Yes, there really was a King David (although he didn't have anything
like the massive empire claimed in the bible). That doesn't prove
that the supernatural aspects of the bible are real. Myths are formed
by ever-more-unplausible material, added by subsequent storytellers,
coalescing around a nugget of historical truth set in actual
geographical places. That's true for the bible, the Greek myths, the
Scandinavian myths, all Native American mythology, and the myths of
every other culture you can name.
You need to put down the bible and read some Joseph Campbell. I
recommend his _Masks of God_ series.
Your problem is to provide evidence that a god actually exists. We're
still waiting for you to deliver the goods.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:21:03 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:58:06 -0700, in alt.atheism , skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> in
<1187809086.037741.145260@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Aug 22, 3:52 am, "Johnny P" <vassago9...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Yes, there really was a King David (although he didn't have anything
like the massive empire claimed in the bible). That doesn't prove
that the supernatural aspects of the bible are real. Myths are formed
by ever-more-unplausible material, added by subsequent storytellers,
coalescing around a nugget of historical truth set in actual
geographical places. That's true for the bible, the Greek myths, the
Scandinavian myths, all Native American mythology, and the myths of
every other culture you can name.
You need to put down the bible and read some Joseph Campbell. I
recommend his _Masks of God_ series.
Your problem is to provide evidence that a god actually exists. We're
still waiting for you to deliver the goods.
I did not know there was any evidence for a historical King David or
Solomon. And I disagree with your claims about myths. *Some* myths are
distortions of history, some are explanations independent of history
that may or may not then incorporate historical facts. I see your
Campbell and raise you Fraiser.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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22 Aug 2007 08:17:46 PM |
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On Aug 22, 12:21 pm, Matt Silberstein
<Snippage>
I did not know there was any evidence for a historical King David or
Solomon.
Just saw it on an episode of "The Bible Unearthed" on PBS less than a
week ago. Apparently there was a king of Judah who was named "David"
and whose capital was Jerusalem. The evidence is a fragment of an
Assyrian clay tablet that mentions him. However, the Jerusalem he was
king of was little more than a village.
And I disagree with your claims about myths. *Some* myths are
distortions of history, some are explanations independent of history
that may or may not then incorporate historical facts. I see your
Campbell and raise you Fraiser.
I'll rephrase: *most* myths have historical elements. And Campbell
claimed that they *all* have accurate geographic elements (his thesis
was that myth, in a way, springs from geography).
One *might* make the argument that myths having no historical elements
are myths that are so fabulously old that the historical elements have
dropped away, mightn't one...?
And I confess: I'm real rusty on my Fraiser, so you'll probably win
the hand.
;->
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:18:38 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:52:46 -0400, "Johnny P" <vassago9367@peoplepc.com> wrote:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Johnny P
Ok, let's play the game. Honestly, at this point I do not know much about "King
David" other than some very vaguely recalled Torah stories I heard about 30+
years ago. Provide some evidence of an historical King David and I might
agree with you. I do not dispute that the Torah makes reference to some people
and places that actually existed but you have not yet demonstrated that such is
the case here.
Ben
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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22 Aug 2007 12:20:28 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:52:46 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Johnny P" <vassago9367@peoplepc.com> wrote in
<13co5c17spjkh4c@corp.supernews.com>:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed.
What parts are historical facts about him, though? Did he rule a large
kingdom?
How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant,
Reference?
was the son of a bethlehemite,
Reference?
and eventually became a great king.
Reference? (please remember that the Bible is not a valid source)
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king? Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
Could you point to some historical accounts?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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22 Aug 2007 12:14:59 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:52:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Johnny P"
<vassago9367@peoplepc.com> in <13co5c17spjkh4c@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
King David: Myth?
King David was very real. It's a historical fact that he existed. How did he
get to the position that he was in? Another story made up by theists? His
whole life was based around God. He slew a giant, was the son of a
bethlehemite, and eventually became a great king.
Can a person actually say that there was no King David? If there was such a
person, then how did he become king?
I love that line. It is either quite funny, astoundingly stupid, or
suggestive of some interesting philosophical discussions. Which is it?
Do the historical and biblical accounts
clash?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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