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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Meeeeeaow"
Date: 16 Nov 2003 01:21:41 AM
Object: LAND OF THE *FREE*
Why I Am Never Going Back To America
By Zeba Khan, US Citizen
I may be an American citizen, but that's not my fault. I ask the reader to
please forgive me that much and continue with the rest of the article. As a
consequence of having been born, raised, and college educated in the States,
I have gora-saab Urdu, a severe allergy to mosquito bites and a blue
passport, but again, that's not my fault.
Often at parties, mostly at weddings, people (with sons my age who eat,
drink, and dream in red, white and blue) will slyly ask whether or not I
have plans of returning. I say no, not at all, not unless pigs fly, hell
freezes over, and the Cubs win the World Series, all on the same day.
Then they ask me why, and I can never answer them. I'm ashamed to, and the
reason why is because the true nature of American society is obscene, and
Islamic Taboos are often rites of Passage back in God Bless America. The
sins that Americans proudly broadcast are so fahosh (obscene!) that I cannot
mention them in mixed company in more than a whisper. But luckily I can type
though, and here, dear readers, dear sly aunties, dear people who think I'm
insane, is why I'm never going back to the US.
America is famous for turning out highly qualified doctors and engineers,
and I will not insult their universities and colleges. The Ivy League
universities offer the best education that money can buy...in an environment
where 90% of all on-campus rape cases are linked to alcohol and
approximately 240,000 to 360,000 of the nation's 12 million current
undergraduates will ultimately die from alcohol-related causes. (Stats from
SAMHSA, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
website)
But like I said, I'm not going to slander institutions where illicit affairs
betweens professors and students are common enough to be part of campus
life. It's a lovely collegiate society where emergency phones with blue
light beacons are installed every 100 or so feet on college grounds to curb
crime and sexual assault. I said I wouldn't slander the colleges, and I'm
not. To slander something is to lie, to demean it with incorrect
information, and I'm doing neither. Everything I've mentioned is true blue
(and white, and red) and 100% certifiable by anyone who has been to college
in any major city like Chicago.
Enough about college, let's go further back to public high school. I'll tell
you no lies here, either. The state of Illinois has mandated a health and
safety class for all students, and the class is taught to grade 9. The
safety part of the class curriculum includes driver's education. The health
part of the class involves skin care, fitness, how to use a condom, how to
recognize transmitted diseases in your sexual partner and why, if you decide
you're a homosexual; it's ok to feel that way.
I was blessed, truly blessed by Allah that I was absent the day that my
teacher showed a live video of a woman giving birth, the natural way, in the
nude, in stirrups. This all-natural, all-nude video was shown in front of my
mixed 9th grade class, it was shown to both the boys and the girls at the
same time. I heard horror stories the next day from my fellow miserable
Muslimahs.
I, and hundreds of thousands of other young Muslims who were unfortunate
enough to be educated in the US, was taught that being gay (Hijra!) is quite
normal. Never mind the two girls sitting outside the class window kissing
each other with open mouths - they're exercising their right of choice.
Homosexuality is not a deviation, it's a lifestyle, and a rather trendy one
at that.
Hooray for gay-rights and the yearly gay-pride parades held in most major
cities of the US. If you're fortunate enough not to know what a gay-pride
parade is, allow me to ruin your day. It's a procession of cars, decorated
floats, dancers, near-naked hijras and brainwashed heterosexuals who are
proud to be part of a sin so severe that it caused the destruction of Sodom
and Gomorrah.
Back to school, if your son or daughter needs a condom so that they can have
a little fun on their lunch break, they don't need to be ashamed. They can
just go to the school counselor's office and get one from her, for free. If
any of the students want to exercise the freedom that the American
forefathers fought and died for, and engage in some pre-marital relations
without any of the consequences, then there are hundreds of NGO's to help
them with birth control, adoption, or abortion, without ever letting the
parents know what's going on.
I'm being quite bay-sharam, I know, but how else can I explain these things?
How else can I tell you that high-school in Chicago, a very average place,
is a beer-drinking, pot-smoking, hormonally charged orgy where young girls
and boys play merry-go-round with their sexual partners. Oh, and there's
very high-quality biology, chemistry and physics in there somewhere too.
If you think that my merely mentioning this is outrageous, then what do you
think of the unfortunate Pakistanis and Muslims who study this as part of
school curriculum and are taught to practice these things in their daily
life? It's not their fault they're subjected to such an immoral
brainwashing, and that's why I call them (and myself) unfortunate instead of
guilty. These poor 9th graders (aged 14-15 on average) did not chose to be
born in a society where talk is cheap, love is free, and God is banned from
public schools.
Yes, God is officially banned in public schools. Prayer in school is quite a
controversial issue back over there in God Bless America. Religion is a
private affair, and much like STD's, you're supposed to keep them to
yourself.
The American educational assault goes farther than immorality; it extends
into the illogical and absurd. Did you know that our ancestors were monkeys?
What? You say that you knew your ancestors, and though one of your uncles
had a low forehead, he was hardly simian? You may also say that the first
man was Prophet Adam, peace and blessings be upon him, and he was no monkey.
You know this because God said so, not just in Islam but in all three major
religions of the world, and plus evolution has been deemed impossible by a
huge but muffled community of scientists. (Read Evolution Deceit: The
Scientific Collapse of Darwinism... by Harun Yahya) If you make the mistake
of expressing your religious beliefs in class, you will be laughed out of
class and scolded when you come eventually come back.
Teacher: (laughing with cocky attitude further bolstered by authority and
his/her own brainwashing) "Silly, backwards, fundamentalist student, how
foolish can you be to believe in God? What, have you ever seen God?
Look around, I don't see anything remotely worship-able in the universe, do
you?"
Student: (muttering under breath to avoid being failed for bad behavior)
"Well teacher, come to think of it, when I look around I can't see radio
waves, microbes, heat, radiation, wind, or even your brain for that
matter..."
The secular American scientific community boasts of its superior knowledge,
but if you went by the same empirical logic that they use to ignore God
(seeing is believing) then they don't have any brains, either. Both belief
in God and belief in your teacher's brain can only be confirmed by sight
apparently, and since both cases involve death to do so, (dying to see God,
killing your teacher and extracting his brain...) then the issue stays
mostly unresolved in circles who refuse to use higher reasoning.
I must stop here and give credit to a few very intelligent, very religious
college professors that I had. For example, Dr. P. Lancki, a religious
Christian and a professor of Microbiology. During a long conversation about
religion, science and society at large, Dr.Lancki told me with wonder in her
eyes how it was impossible for a single cell, miraculous in function and
complex in design, to have been created by accident or random events. Not
one single cell could be produced through the methods that educators teach
to students in the US; evolution, but Dr.Lancki is forbidden to teach that
in her class. "God," one of her coworkers told her, "...died with the
dinosaurs. Man doesn't need religion anymore."
Times change. Where God was once called on sincerely to bless America, He is
now used only for purposes of pro-war propaganda and occasionally brought up
to take accountability off the shoulders of criminals. "I'm a sociopath
murderer, and God made me this way! I'm gay! And God made me this way! I'm a
pedophile, and God made me this way!"
Religion in American is approached in a way that's comical if it wasn't so
idiotic. In accordance with typical non-judgmental morality, one religion is
no better than the next, and all religions take a back-seat to freedom. You
may not believe that homosexuality is good, but in America you believe that
people should be free to practice homosexuality if they like. Never mind
that you believe it is wrong, if you say so in public then you are labeled
as intolerant, homophobic, a closet-queer, and of course, a bigot. Bigots
get fired by their employers for being closed-minded, but gays get free
health-insurance from their employers for the same-sex partner they happen
to be living with at the moment.
To move back to America would be to subject my future children to a
thorough brainwashing, regardless of how well I tried to prevent it. When
filth is broadcast on TV, sung about on the radio, advertised on the
internet, and taught in school, how can you even remotely hope to fight it?
Whatever you teach your children between breakfast and school, school and
soccer practice, soccer practice and dinner is untaught a thousand times
over once the child leaves home.
True, there are some Muslims who come out of America with basically
sound minds and characters, but for every sound mind there are 100 corrupt
ones who live with their Christian boy-friends, blame God for homosexuality,
use the Masjid as a meat-market for dating and flirting, and join
organizations like the Al-Fateha group. Al-Fateha sounds holy enough from
where you're sitting, I'm sure, but it's actually an organization of
homosexual Muslims in the US and Canada.
The American society is a system of thinly veiled chaos, and every so
often the veil is lifted. In New York, currently the world's most famous
city, the Puerto Rican National Day Parade was one such example. In broad
daylight, buzzed on alcohol and under the cover of mob-action, two years ago
a group of over 50 young men traveled downtown New York assaulting women.
Police stood idly by as women were stripped naked, sexually assaulted,
sprayed with liquor and raped in the streets on New York. Did darkness hide
the mob from the police? No, it was mid-afternoon. Were the men stopped
right away? No, they rampaged for over three hours.
This is American society, this is what happens to a people who do not
believe in God, whose conduct depends on whether or not anyone will catch
them if they do anything wrong. There is no humility or fear of Divine
Retribution to keep men acting as men, there is only fear of the police. And
when the police invisible or ineffectual, the men become rapists, murderers,
barbarians and savages.
A funny comparison exists between Karachi and New York, two major
cities. In Karachi, when the electricity goes out, children play
chupan-chupai or cricket in the streets. In New York, when the lights go
out, women are assaulted, people are robbed, and stores are looted. This is
not because the electric gates of the prisons have opened, releasing all of
the criminals. No, this is because the electric lights and eyes of the
police have gone blind, and in the cover of darkness, the common New Yorker
becomes a common criminal.
I'm not nuts you know, I'm just honest. You can't get me to go back to
America, not for money, not for fame, not even under the flimsy pretense of
doing Dawah in America. I'm not going to lie to myself and say that living
in America is Dawah, because I can't hide that my tax dollars pay Israeli
settlers $10,000 a year, per family member, to occupy Palestine and to kill
the Ummah I profess to be a part of. A white-picket fence and a two car
garage in the suburbs is not Dawah, its greed. Sending your children to the
best schools is not Dawah, its opportunism, its taking advantage of a system
built on the backs of third-world countries and dead Muslims.
Thousands of Afghanis have died to put cheaper gas in your sports
utility vehicle, thousands of Iraqis died to keep your car running for less
money, your heating bills down, and your salary higher. Thousands of
Palestinians have been shot with bullets that your tax-dollars bought and
thousand more will if you stay and become the ideal immigrant. To be the
tax-paying, flag-waving, English speaking Desi who is repulsed by
'backwards' notions of religion, and sends your children to get a good
education at a Catholic school, is to be the perfectly assimilated,
perfectly absorbed hypocrite.
How convenient it is for a Muslim to condemn America for its tyranny,
but take no action against it at all. It's like a shepherd that shares a
cave with wolves who kill his own sheep, but stays because the cave is warm
and the mutton is free. The shepherd stays with the wolves under the
pretense of doing Dawah to the wolves.
He hopes that by living with the wolves, the wolves will feel sympathy
for the shepherd, they will better understand him, and maybe not kill his
sheep anymore. How very convenient, very illogical, and very beneficial for
the shepherd! Never mind that it's wrong, just remember that the cave is
warm and the mutton is free, the streets are clean, the skyscrapers are
shiny, and your children are being given quality wolf-education and eating
quality mutton from your murdered sheep.
Dear aunties, I would recommend that you set your sights on some other
Amreekan Palat, I may move a hundred times in my life, but never back to the
country whose ruler has reinstated the crusades. Never to the land where a
67 year old Afghani Imam is in camp x-ray for giving Mujahideen dry bread
crusts. Never to a land where my own Muslim brothers are collateral damage.
I swear by Allah, I will never make that mistake again.
Never
.

User: "Elf M. Sternberg"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 18 Nov 2003 05:20:28 PM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> writes:

America is famous for turning out highly qualified doctors and engineers,
and I will not insult their universities and colleges.

Astounding that we continue to do so *despite* being such a
moral cesspool, neh?

A funny comparison exists between Karachi and New York, two major
cities. In Karachi, when the electricity goes out, children play
chupan-chupai or cricket in the streets. In New York, when the lights go
out, women are assaulted, people are robbed, and stores are looted.

Funny how this failed to happen last time. Funny how the last
time
The sad fact is that America is overwhelmingly *more moral* than
any country that implements Sharia law. When you live in fear of your
actions, in fear of your own impulses, and in fear of what the
authorities will do to you if you vary just a little bit from a narrow,
acceptable realm of behavior, that's not morality, it's subjugation.
Unlike sharia nations, Americans are moral. Without a fear of
beheading, flogging, acid splashed in our faces, or so on, most
Americans not only don't steal, rob, rape, or murder-- but they actually
continue to man schools that produce those fine scholars and engineers
touted in the original paragraph. Americans *make meaningful choices*
more often, and with more impact, than anyone living under sharia ever
shall.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg, Proud to be an Extinctionist
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf/
With the advance of biogenetics, it is not so much that we are losing
our dignity and freedom but that we realise we never had them in the
first place. - Slavoj Zizek
.

User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 09:35:23 AM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

Can I have her(?) parking space?
.

User: "Ron Baker"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 09:41:12 AM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

I may be an American citizen, but that's not my fault. I ask the reader to
please forgive me that much and continue with the rest of the article. As

a

consequence of having been born, raised, and college educated in the

States,

I have gora-saab Urdu, a severe allergy to mosquito bites and a blue
passport, but again, that's not my fault.

Often at parties, mostly at weddings, people (with sons my age who eat,
drink, and dream in red, white and blue) will slyly ask whether or not I
have plans of returning. I say no, not at all, not unless pigs fly, hell
freezes over, and the Cubs win the World Series, all on the same day.

Then they ask me why, and I can never answer them. I'm ashamed to, and the
reason why is because the true nature of American society is obscene, and
Islamic Taboos are often rites of Passage back in God Bless America. The
sins that Americans proudly broadcast are so fahosh (obscene!) that I

cannot

mention them in mixed company in more than a whisper. But luckily I can

type

though, and here, dear readers, dear sly aunties, dear people who think

I'm

insane, is why I'm never going back to the US.

America is famous for turning out highly qualified doctors and engineers,
and I will not insult their universities and colleges. The Ivy League
universities offer the best education that money can buy...in an

environment

where 90% of all on-campus rape cases are linked to alcohol and
approximately 240,000 to 360,000 of the nation's 12 million current
undergraduates will ultimately die from alcohol-related causes. (Stats

from

SAMHSA, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
website)

But like I said, I'm not going to slander institutions where illicit

affairs

betweens professors and students are common enough to be part of campus
life. It's a lovely collegiate society where emergency phones with blue
light beacons are installed every 100 or so feet on college grounds to

curb

crime and sexual assault. I said I wouldn't slander the colleges, and I'm
not. To slander something is to lie, to demean it with incorrect
information, and I'm doing neither. Everything I've mentioned is true blue
(and white, and red) and 100% certifiable by anyone who has been to

college

in any major city like Chicago.

Exaggeration and misrepresentation.
I've been to both Northwestern's and UC's downtown campuses
and that is not true.


Enough about college, let's go further back to public high school. I'll

tell

you no lies here, either. The state of Illinois has mandated a health and
safety class for all students, and the class is taught to grade 9. The
safety part of the class curriculum includes driver's education. The

health

part of the class involves skin care, fitness, how to use a condom, how to
recognize transmitted diseases in your sexual partner and why, if you

decide

you're a homosexual; it's ok to feel that way.

9th grade is kind of late. Reproduction was explained in 6th grade
when I was a kid. Kid's are figuring out sex at 12 to 13 no matter
what you are teaching them. Is it better they figure it out from
watching animals?


I was blessed, truly blessed by Allah that I was absent the day that my
teacher showed a live video of a woman giving birth, the natural way, in

the

nude, in stirrups. This all-natural, all-nude video was shown in front of

my

mixed 9th grade class, it was shown to both the boys and the girls at the
same time. I heard horror stories the next day from my fellow miserable
Muslimahs.

Oh, the humanity.


I, and hundreds of thousands of other young Muslims who were unfortunate
enough to be educated in the US, was taught that being gay (Hijra!) is

quite

normal. Never mind the two girls sitting outside the class window kissing
each other with open mouths - they're exercising their right of choice.
Homosexuality is not a deviation, it's a lifestyle, and a rather trendy

one

at that.

Nobody chooses homosexuality as a matter of fashion.


Hooray for gay-rights and the yearly gay-pride parades held in most major
cities of the US. If you're fortunate enough not to know what a gay-pride
parade is, allow me to ruin your day. It's a procession of cars, decorated
floats, dancers, near-naked hijras and brainwashed heterosexuals who are
proud to be part of a sin so severe that it caused the destruction of

Sodom

and Gomorrah.

Why did god (allah) create gays in the first place?


Back to school, if your son or daughter needs a condom so that they can

have

a little fun on their lunch break, they don't need to be ashamed. They can
just go to the school counselor's office and get one from her, for free.

If

any of the students want to exercise the freedom that the American
forefathers fought and died for, and engage in some pre-marital relations
without any of the consequences, then there are hundreds of NGO's to help
them with birth control, adoption, or abortion, without ever letting the
parents know what's going on.

I'm being quite bay-sharam, I know, but how else can I explain these

things?

How else can I tell you that high-school in Chicago, a very average place,
is a beer-drinking, pot-smoking, hormonally charged orgy where young girls
and boys play merry-go-round with their sexual partners.

What's the matter, didn't get your share?

Oh, and there's
very high-quality biology, chemistry and physics in there somewhere too.

If you think that my merely mentioning this is outrageous, then what do

you

think of the unfortunate Pakistanis and Muslims who study this as part of
school curriculum and are taught to practice these things in their daily
life? It's not their fault they're subjected to such an immoral
brainwashing, and that's why I call them (and myself) unfortunate instead

of

guilty. These poor 9th graders (aged 14-15 on average) did not chose to be
born in a society where talk is cheap, love is free, and God is banned

from

public schools.

Then leave.


Yes, God is officially banned in public schools.

Blatant misrepresentation.

Prayer in school is quite a
controversial issue back over there in God Bless America. Religion is a
private affair, and much like STD's, you're supposed to keep them to
yourself.

The American educational assault goes farther than immorality; it extends
into the illogical and absurd. Did you know that our ancestors were

monkeys?

What? You say that you knew your ancestors, and though one of your uncles
had a low forehead, he was hardly simian? You may also say that the first
man was Prophet Adam, peace and blessings be upon him, and he was no

monkey.

You know this because God said so, not just in Islam but in all three

major

religions of the world, and plus evolution has been deemed impossible by a
huge but muffled community of scientists. (Read Evolution Deceit: The
Scientific Collapse of Darwinism... by Harun Yahya) If you make the

mistake

of expressing your religious beliefs in class, you will be laughed out of
class and scolded when you come eventually come back.

The pope believes in evolution. Why do you have a problem with it?


Teacher: (laughing with cocky attitude further bolstered by authority and
his/her own brainwashing) "Silly, backwards, fundamentalist student, how
foolish can you be to believe in God? What, have you ever seen God?

Look around, I don't see anything remotely worship-able in the universe,

do

you?"

A teacher would be fired for saying such a thing.


Student: (muttering under breath to avoid being failed for bad behavior)
"Well teacher, come to think of it, when I look around I can't see radio
waves, microbes, heat, radiation, wind, or even your brain for that
matter..."

Yo can't see your brain either. Do you have one?


The secular American scientific community boasts of its superior

knowledge,

but if you went by the same empirical logic that they use to ignore God
(seeing is believing) then they don't have any brains, either. Both belief
in God and belief in your teacher's brain can only be confirmed by sight
apparently, and since both cases involve death to do so, (dying to see

God,

killing your teacher and extracting his brain...) then the issue stays
mostly unresolved in circles who refuse to use higher reasoning.

I must stop here and give credit to a few very intelligent, very religious
college professors that I had. For example, Dr. P. Lancki, a religious
Christian and a professor of Microbiology. During a long conversation

about

religion, science and society at large, Dr.Lancki told me with wonder in

her

eyes how it was impossible for a single cell, miraculous in function and
complex in design, to have been created by accident or random events. Not
one single cell could be produced through the methods that educators teach
to students in the US; evolution, but Dr.Lancki is forbidden to teach that
in her class. "God," one of her coworkers told her, "...died with the
dinosaurs. Man doesn't need religion anymore."

Times change. Where God was once called on sincerely to bless America, He

is

now used only for purposes of pro-war propaganda and occasionally brought

up

to take accountability off the shoulders of criminals. "I'm a sociopath
murderer, and God made me this way! I'm gay! And God made me this way! I'm

a

pedophile, and God made me this way!"

What's your excuse?


Religion in American is approached in a way that's comical if it wasn't so
idiotic. In accordance with typical non-judgmental morality, one religion

is

no better than the next,

So what would you do with Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists?

and all religions take a back-seat to freedom. You
may not believe that homosexuality is good, but in America you believe

that

people should be free to practice homosexuality if they like. Never mind
that you believe it is wrong,

What would you do with homosexuals?

if you say so in public then you are labeled
as intolerant, homophobic, a closet-queer, and of course, a bigot. Bigots
get fired by their employers for being closed-minded, but gays get free
health-insurance from their employers for the same-sex partner they happen
to be living with at the moment.

To move back to America would be to subject my future children to a
thorough brainwashing, regardless of how well I tried to prevent it. When
filth is broadcast on TV, sung about on the radio, advertised on the
internet, and taught in school, how can you even remotely hope to fight

it?

Whatever you teach your children between breakfast and school, school and
soccer practice, soccer practice and dinner is untaught a thousand times
over once the child leaves home.

True, there are some Muslims who come out of America with basically
sound minds and characters, but for every sound mind there are 100 corrupt
ones who live with their Christian boy-friends, blame God for

homosexuality,

use the Masjid as a meat-market for dating and flirting, and join
organizations like the Al-Fateha group. Al-Fateha sounds holy enough from
where you're sitting, I'm sure, but it's actually an organization of
homosexual Muslims in the US and Canada.

The American society is a system of thinly veiled chaos, and every

so

often the veil is lifted. In New York, currently the world's most famous
city, the Puerto Rican National Day Parade was one such example. In broad
daylight, buzzed on alcohol and under the cover of mob-action, two years

ago

a group of over 50 young men traveled downtown New York assaulting women.
Police stood idly by as women were stripped naked, sexually assaulted,
sprayed with liquor and raped in the streets on New York. Did darkness

hide

the mob from the police? No, it was mid-afternoon. Were the men stopped
right away? No, they rampaged for over three hours.

Nonsense.


This is American society,

Nonsense.

this is what happens to a people who do not
believe in God, whose conduct depends on whether or not anyone will catch
them if they do anything wrong. There is no humility or fear of Divine
Retribution to keep men acting as men, there is only fear of the police.

And

when the police invisible or ineffectual, the men become rapists,

murderers,

barbarians and savages.

A funny comparison exists between Karachi and New York, two major
cities. In Karachi, when the electricity goes out, children play
chupan-chupai or cricket in the streets. In New York, when the lights go
out, women are assaulted, people are robbed, and stores are looted. This

is

not because the electric gates of the prisons have opened, releasing all

of

the criminals. No, this is because the electric lights and eyes of the
police have gone blind, and in the cover of darkness, the common New

Yorker

becomes a common criminal.

I'm not nuts you know,

No, I don't know.

I'm just honest.

No, you are not. You hate people for not believing as you do.
You lie for your beliefs.

You can't get me to go back to
America, not for money, not for fame, not even under the flimsy pretense

of

doing Dawah in America. I'm not going to lie to myself and say that living
in America is Dawah, because I can't hide that my tax dollars pay Israeli
settlers $10,000 a year, per family member, to occupy Palestine and to

kill

the Ummah I profess to be a part of. A white-picket fence and a two car
garage in the suburbs is not Dawah, its greed. Sending your children to

the

best schools is not Dawah, its opportunism, its taking advantage of a

system

built on the backs of third-world countries and dead Muslims.

Thousands of Afghanis have died to put cheaper gas in your sports
utility vehicle, thousands of Iraqis died to keep your car running for

less

money, your heating bills down, and your salary higher.

Thousands of Afghanis have died for harboring murderers.

Thousands of
Palestinians have been shot with bullets that your tax-dollars bought and
thousand more will if you stay and become the ideal immigrant. To be the
tax-paying, flag-waving, English speaking Desi who is repulsed by
'backwards' notions of religion, and sends your children to get a good
education at a Catholic school, is to be the perfectly assimilated,
perfectly absorbed hypocrite.

How convenient it is for a Muslim to condemn America for its

tyranny,

but take no action against it at all. It's like a shepherd that shares a
cave with wolves who kill his own sheep, but stays because the cave is

warm

and the mutton is free. The shepherd stays with the wolves under the
pretense of doing Dawah to the wolves.

He hopes that by living with the wolves, the wolves will feel

sympathy

for the shepherd, they will better understand him, and maybe not kill his
sheep anymore. How very convenient, very illogical, and very beneficial

for

the shepherd! Never mind that it's wrong, just remember that the cave is
warm and the mutton is free, the streets are clean, the skyscrapers are
shiny, and your children are being given quality wolf-education and eating
quality mutton from your murdered sheep.

Dear aunties, I would recommend that you set your sights on some

other

Amreekan Palat, I may move a hundred times in my life, but never back to

the

country whose ruler has reinstated the crusades. Never to the land where a
67 year old Afghani Imam is in camp x-ray for giving Mujahideen dry bread
crusts. Never to a land where my own Muslim brothers are collateral

damage.
Is a muslim life more valuable than a non-muslim?

I swear by Allah, I will never make that mistake again.

Good riddance.
.

User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 02:34:53 AM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

<much drivel snipped>
Translation:
I will not return to the US because I am a self-righteous, holier-than-thou
religious twit who is offended by the very idea that a place exists where
people are not forced to live according to my beliefs.
Sayonara, Zeba. While you're spending the rest of your days kissing your
imaginary friend's ***** and expounding on the evils of the "Great Satan" to
all foolish enough to listen, we'll go on with our "sinful" lives not
missing you at all.
And "Meeeeeaow", you are nothing but a troll. However, I'm leaving the
crossposts intact, simply because it isn't my job to clean up your *****.
.
User: "alvey"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 02:39:49 AM
John Baker wrote:

"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America


This has no interest to rsc. ***** off.
.
User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 04:21:26 AM
"alvey" <alvey_digit_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp7d5i$1lfd2a$2@ID-155113.news.uni-berlin.de...

John Baker wrote:

"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America



This has no interest to rsc. ***** off.

It's of no interest to alt.atheism either, but, lo and behold, here it is. I
left the crossposts intact because I have no idea where the troll was
posting from, and I wanted to make sure he/she saw the reply. Others who
respond will likely do the same. If you don't want to see the followups, you
might, after you're through playing netcop, take a moment to set your
killfile accordingly.


.
User: "alvey"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 04:47:06 AM
John Baker wrote:

"alvey" <alvey_digit_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp7d5i$1lfd2a$2@ID-155113.news.uni-berlin.de...

John Baker wrote:


"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...


Why I Am Never Going Back To America


This has no interest to rsc. ***** off.



It's of no interest to alt.atheism either, but, lo and behold, here it is. I
left the crossposts intact because I have no idea where the troll was
posting from, and I wanted to make sure he/she saw the reply. Others who
respond will likely do the same. If you don't want to see the followups, you
might, after you're through playing netcop, take a moment to set your
killfile accordingly.

I've already put three cross-posting dickheads from this thread in the
bin. You make four.
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 05:01:31 PM
alvey <alvey_digit_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:bp7kk7$1mek8i$1@ID-155113.news.uni-berlin.de:

John Baker wrote:

"alvey" <alvey_digit_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp7d5i$1lfd2a$2@ID-155113.news.uni-berlin.de...

John Baker wrote:


"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...


Why I Am Never Going Back To America


This has no interest to rsc. ***** off.



It's of no interest to alt.atheism either, but, lo and behold, here
it is. I left the crossposts intact because I have no idea where the
troll was posting from, and I wanted to make sure he/she saw the
reply. Others who respond will likely do the same. If you don't want
to see the followups, you might, after you're through playing netcop,
take a moment to set your killfile accordingly.


I've already put three cross-posting dickheads from this thread in the
bin. You make four.


Do me! Do me!
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it!" -- Sam Spade
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User: "blewyn"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 17 Nov 2003 07:37:08 AM
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9435AD6C1EBCCaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.16>...

Do me! Do me!

LOLOLOLOL
.






User: "bluskie"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 06:24:26 AM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

America has the best of everything and the worst of everything, it's
the land of the FREE, just as long as you pay for it.
.

User: "dummie"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 17 Nov 2003 06:12:36 AM
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

Dear aunties, I would recommend that you set your sights on some other
Amreekan Palat, I may move a hundred times in my life, but never back to the
country whose ruler has reinstated the crusades. Never to the land where a
67 year old Afghani Imam is in camp x-ray for giving Mujahideen dry bread
crusts. Never to a land where my own Muslim brothers are collateral damage.
I swear by Allah, I will never make that mistake again.

Never

If only more fundies would do that. Go back to your ***** country in
the middle east, fly.
.

User: "asif zaidi"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 20 Nov 2003 10:11:39 AM
Dare I mention the problems that exist in Muslim countries !!
Let me give you a statistic which I have made up on my own but I
believe will be true.
If you were to give 180 million people of Pakistan a chance to come to
US and make a living, close to 175 million people ( or more) would
come.
If you were to give 300 million of people of America a chance to come
to any Muslim country and make a living, a very small minority (maybe
500000) will go.
Says something about Muslim countries.
Granted US has problems, but at least people here have a desire to
improve which is something sorely lacking in Muslims.
BTW, I live happily in US and my wife does wear a burqa outside the
house and under present circumstances have no desire to leave US at
least for a Muslim country.
And why are you keeping your blue passport if you dislike US so much
!!
Asif
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 22 Nov 2003 07:40:15 PM
asif zaidi wrote:

Dare I mention the problems that exist in Muslim countries !!

Let me give you a statistic which I have made up on my own but I
believe will be true.

If you were to give 180 million people of Pakistan a chance to come to
US and make a living, close to 175 million people ( or more) would
come.

If you were to give 300 million of people of America a chance to come
to any Muslim country and make a living, a very small minority (maybe
500000) will go.

Says something about Muslim countries.

Granted US has problems, but at least people here have a desire to
improve which is something sorely lacking in Muslims.

BTW, I live happily in US and my wife does wear a burqa outside the
house and under present circumstances have no desire to leave US at
least for a Muslim country.

And why are you keeping your blue passport if you dislike US so much
!!

Asif

....good point Asif, and in my opinion your stats. are not far out..
Bob
a Brit. in Hong Kong



"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

.


User: "King Leopold"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 19 Nov 2003 12:59:17 AM
FYI I forwarded your message to the US State Department, The FBI, and The
Homeland Department of Security in hopes that they would put you and your
family on the list of possible terrorist and subversive groups that may want
to try and harm innocent US citizens. Hopefully they will revoke your US
passport and throw out your US citizenship if you are one. Possible they
will check your financials for and sign of treason against the US by
donations to your militant hateful terrorist Muslims which I see you spend
absolutely no time condemning. Oh that's right, if they murder innocent
women and children in the name of your Allah Baba god by homicide bomb, then
they will go to Muslim heaven. Yea, right. Believe me when I tell you, they
will burn in hell with their evil prophet Mohamed who denied the one true
God for his false one.
Well, drop dead when you can. Maybe you can blow yourself up making a bomb
or something so you can not prorogate your hate to any children which you
may conceive. May they all be born to you as a burden and not a blessing.
Yours Truly,
A Southern, Bible Believing, Flag waving, Red White & Blue Through,
Conservative American Good Ole Boy.
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

I may be an American citizen, but that's not my fault. I ask the reader to
please forgive me that much and continue with the rest of the article. As

a

consequence of having been born, raised, and college educated in the

States,

I have gora-saab Urdu, a severe allergy to mosquito bites and a blue
passport, but again, that's not my fault.

Often at parties, mostly at weddings, people (with sons my age who eat,
drink, and dream in red, white and blue) will slyly ask whether or not I
have plans of returning. I say no, not at all, not unless pigs fly, hell
freezes over, and the Cubs win the World Series, all on the same day.

Then they ask me why, and I can never answer them. I'm ashamed to, and the
reason why is because the true nature of American society is obscene, and
Islamic Taboos are often rites of Passage back in God Bless America. The
sins that Americans proudly broadcast are so fahosh (obscene!) that I

cannot

mention them in mixed company in more than a whisper. But luckily I can

type

though, and here, dear readers, dear sly aunties, dear people who think

I'm

insane, is why I'm never going back to the US.

America is famous for turning out highly qualified doctors and engineers,
and I will not insult their universities and colleges. The Ivy League
universities offer the best education that money can buy...in an

environment

where 90% of all on-campus rape cases are linked to alcohol and
approximately 240,000 to 360,000 of the nation's 12 million current
undergraduates will ultimately die from alcohol-related causes. (Stats

from

SAMHSA, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
website)

But like I said, I'm not going to slander institutions where illicit

affairs

betweens professors and students are common enough to be part of campus
life. It's a lovely collegiate society where emergency phones with blue
light beacons are installed every 100 or so feet on college grounds to

curb

crime and sexual assault. I said I wouldn't slander the colleges, and I'm
not. To slander something is to lie, to demean it with incorrect
information, and I'm doing neither. Everything I've mentioned is true blue
(and white, and red) and 100% certifiable by anyone who has been to

college

in any major city like Chicago.

Enough about college, let's go further back to public high school. I'll

tell

you no lies here, either. The state of Illinois has mandated a health and
safety class for all students, and the class is taught to grade 9. The
safety part of the class curriculum includes driver's education. The

health

part of the class involves skin care, fitness, how to use a condom, how to
recognize transmitted diseases in your sexual partner and why, if you

decide

you're a homosexual; it's ok to feel that way.

I was blessed, truly blessed by Allah that I was absent the day that my
teacher showed a live video of a woman giving birth, the natural way, in

the

nude, in stirrups. This all-natural, all-nude video was shown in front of

my

mixed 9th grade class, it was shown to both the boys and the girls at the
same time. I heard horror stories the next day from my fellow miserable
Muslimahs.

I, and hundreds of thousands of other young Muslims who were unfortunate
enough to be educated in the US, was taught that being gay (Hijra!) is

quite

normal. Never mind the two girls sitting outside the class window kissing
each other with open mouths - they're exercising their right of choice.
Homosexuality is not a deviation, it's a lifestyle, and a rather trendy

one

at that.

Hooray for gay-rights and the yearly gay-pride parades held in most major
cities of the US. If you're fortunate enough not to know what a gay-pride
parade is, allow me to ruin your day. It's a procession of cars, decorated
floats, dancers, near-naked hijras and brainwashed heterosexuals who are
proud to be part of a sin so severe that it caused the destruction of

Sodom

and Gomorrah.

Back to school, if your son or daughter needs a condom so that they can

have

a little fun on their lunch break, they don't need to be ashamed. They can
just go to the school counselor's office and get one from her, for free.

If

any of the students want to exercise the freedom that the American
forefathers fought and died for, and engage in some pre-marital relations
without any of the consequences, then there are hundreds of NGO's to help
them with birth control, adoption, or abortion, without ever letting the
parents know what's going on.

I'm being quite bay-sharam, I know, but how else can I explain these

things?

How else can I tell you that high-school in Chicago, a very average place,
is a beer-drinking, pot-smoking, hormonally charged orgy where young girls
and boys play merry-go-round with their sexual partners. Oh, and there's
very high-quality biology, chemistry and physics in there somewhere too.

If you think that my merely mentioning this is outrageous, then what do

you

think of the unfortunate Pakistanis and Muslims who study this as part of
school curriculum and are taught to practice these things in their daily
life? It's not their fault they're subjected to such an immoral
brainwashing, and that's why I call them (and myself) unfortunate instead

of

guilty. These poor 9th graders (aged 14-15 on average) did not chose to be
born in a society where talk is cheap, love is free, and God is banned

from

public schools.

Yes, God is officially banned in public schools. Prayer in school is quite

a

controversial issue back over there in God Bless America. Religion is a
private affair, and much like STD's, you're supposed to keep them to
yourself.

The American educational assault goes farther than immorality; it extends
into the illogical and absurd. Did you know that our ancestors were

monkeys?

What? You say that you knew your ancestors, and though one of your uncles
had a low forehead, he was hardly simian? You may also say that the first
man was Prophet Adam, peace and blessings be upon him, and he was no

monkey.

You know this because God said so, not just in Islam but in all three

major

religions of the world, and plus evolution has been deemed impossible by a
huge but muffled community of scientists. (Read Evolution Deceit: The
Scientific Collapse of Darwinism... by Harun Yahya) If you make the

mistake

of expressing your religious beliefs in class, you will be laughed out of
class and scolded when you come eventually come back.

Teacher: (laughing with cocky attitude further bolstered by authority and
his/her own brainwashing) "Silly, backwards, fundamentalist student, how
foolish can you be to believe in God? What, have you ever seen God?

Look around, I don't see anything remotely worship-able in the universe,

do

you?"

Student: (muttering under breath to avoid being failed for bad behavior)
"Well teacher, come to think of it, when I look around I can't see radio
waves, microbes, heat, radiation, wind, or even your brain for that
matter..."

The secular American scientific community boasts of its superior

knowledge,

but if you went by the same empirical logic that they use to ignore God
(seeing is believing) then they don't have any brains, either. Both belief
in God and belief in your teacher's brain can only be confirmed by sight
apparently, and since both cases involve death to do so, (dying to see

God,

killing your teacher and extracting his brain...) then the issue stays
mostly unresolved in circles who refuse to use higher reasoning.

I must stop here and give credit to a few very intelligent, very religious
college professors that I had. For example, Dr. P. Lancki, a religious
Christian and a professor of Microbiology. During a long conversation

about

religion, science and society at large, Dr.Lancki told me with wonder in

her

eyes how it was impossible for a single cell, miraculous in function and
complex in design, to have been created by accident or random events. Not
one single cell could be produced through the methods that educators teach
to students in the US; evolution, but Dr.Lancki is forbidden to teach that
in her class. "God," one of her coworkers told her, "...died with the
dinosaurs. Man doesn't need religion anymore."

Times change. Where God was once called on sincerely to bless America, He

is

now used only for purposes of pro-war propaganda and occasionally brought

up

to take accountability off the shoulders of criminals. "I'm a sociopath
murderer, and God made me this way! I'm gay! And God made me this way! I'm

a

pedophile, and God made me this way!"

Religion in American is approached in a way that's comical if it wasn't so
idiotic. In accordance with typical non-judgmental morality, one religion

is

no better than the next, and all religions take a back-seat to freedom.

You

may not believe that homosexuality is good, but in America you believe

that

people should be free to practice homosexuality if they like. Never mind
that you believe it is wrong, if you say so in public then you are labeled
as intolerant, homophobic, a closet-queer, and of course, a bigot. Bigots
get fired by their employers for being closed-minded, but gays get free
health-insurance from their employers for the same-sex partner they happen
to be living with at the moment.

To move back to America would be to subject my future children to a
thorough brainwashing, regardless of how well I tried to prevent it. When
filth is broadcast on TV, sung about on the radio, advertised on the
internet, and taught in school, how can you even remotely hope to fight

it?

Whatever you teach your children between breakfast and school, school and
soccer practice, soccer practice and dinner is untaught a thousand times
over once the child leaves home.

True, there are some Muslims who come out of America with basically
sound minds and characters, but for every sound mind there are 100 corrupt
ones who live with their Christian boy-friends, blame God for

homosexuality,

use the Masjid as a meat-market for dating and flirting, and join
organizations like the Al-Fateha group. Al-Fateha sounds holy enough from
where you're sitting, I'm sure, but it's actually an organization of
homosexual Muslims in the US and Canada.

The American society is a system of thinly veiled chaos, and every

so

often the veil is lifted. In New York, currently the world's most famous
city, the Puerto Rican National Day Parade was one such example. In broad
daylight, buzzed on alcohol and under the cover of mob-action, two years

ago

a group of over 50 young men traveled downtown New York assaulting women.
Police stood idly by as women were stripped naked, sexually assaulted,
sprayed with liquor and raped in the streets on New York. Did darkness

hide

the mob from the police? No, it was mid-afternoon. Were the men stopped
right away? No, they rampaged for over three hours.

This is American society, this is what happens to a people who do

not

believe in God, whose conduct depends on whether or not anyone will catch
them if they do anything wrong. There is no humility or fear of Divine
Retribution to keep men acting as men, there is only fear of the police.

And

when the police invisible or ineffectual, the men become rapists,

murderers,

barbarians and savages.

A funny comparison exists between Karachi and New York, two major
cities. In Karachi, when the electricity goes out, children play
chupan-chupai or cricket in the streets. In New York, when the lights go
out, women are assaulted, people are robbed, and stores are looted. This

is

not because the electric gates of the prisons have opened, releasing all

of

the criminals. No, this is because the electric lights and eyes of the
police have gone blind, and in the cover of darkness, the common New

Yorker

becomes a common criminal.

I'm not nuts you know, I'm just honest. You can't get me to go back

to

America, not for money, not for fame, not even under the flimsy pretense

of

doing Dawah in America. I'm not going to lie to myself and say that living
in America is Dawah, because I can't hide that my tax dollars pay Israeli
settlers $10,000 a year, per family member, to occupy Palestine and to

kill

the Ummah I profess to be a part of. A white-picket fence and a two car
garage in the suburbs is not Dawah, its greed. Sending your children to

the

best schools is not Dawah, its opportunism, its taking advantage of a

system

built on the backs of third-world countries and dead Muslims.

Thousands of Afghanis have died to put cheaper gas in your sports
utility vehicle, thousands of Iraqis died to keep your car running for

less

money, your heating bills down, and your salary higher. Thousands of
Palestinians have been shot with bullets that your tax-dollars bought and
thousand more will if you stay and become the ideal immigrant. To be the
tax-paying, flag-waving, English speaking Desi who is repulsed by
'backwards' notions of religion, and sends your children to get a good
education at a Catholic school, is to be the perfectly assimilated,
perfectly absorbed hypocrite.

How convenient it is for a Muslim to condemn America for its

tyranny,

but take no action against it at all. It's like a shepherd that shares a
cave with wolves who kill his own sheep, but stays because the cave is

warm

and the mutton is free. The shepherd stays with the wolves under the
pretense of doing Dawah to the wolves.

He hopes that by living with the wolves, the wolves will feel

sympathy

for the shepherd, they will better understand him, and maybe not kill his
sheep anymore. How very convenient, very illogical, and very beneficial

for

the shepherd! Never mind that it's wrong, just remember that the cave is
warm and the mutton is free, the streets are clean, the skyscrapers are
shiny, and your children are being given quality wolf-education and eating
quality mutton from your murdered sheep.

Dear aunties, I would recommend that you set your sights on some

other

Amreekan Palat, I may move a hundred times in my life, but never back to

the

country whose ruler has reinstated the crusades. Never to the land where a
67 year old Afghani Imam is in camp x-ray for giving Mujahideen dry bread
crusts. Never to a land where my own Muslim brothers are collateral

damage.

I swear by Allah, I will never make that mistake again.

Never


.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 19 Nov 2003 01:02:27 AM

Yours Truly,
A Southern, Bible Believing, Flag waving, Red White & Blue Through,
Conservative American Good Ole Boy.

Remember, when a Southern, Bible Believing, Flag waving...etc. is waving a flag
and being "patriotic" it usually isn't the flag of the USA he's waving. It's
often the "red, white and blue" flag of the organization which murdered more US
troops than anyone else in history...including Hitler. It's the 'traitors
flag'...the flag of the Confederate States of America.
Something to think about when these Bible-thumping, redneck Taliban-wannabees
try to be patriotic.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
.
User: "jwk"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 19 Nov 2003 01:28:47 PM
forlornh@aol.complex (Lord Calvert) wrote in message news:<20031119020227.14088.00000598@mb-m15.aol.com>...

Yours Truly,
A Southern, Bible Believing, Flag waving, Red White & Blue Through,
Conservative American Good Ole Boy.


Remember, when a Southern, Bible Believing, Flag waving...etc. is waving a flag
and being "patriotic" it usually isn't the flag of the USA he's waving. It's
often the "red, white and blue" flag of the organization which murdered more US
troops than anyone else in history...including Hitler. It's the 'traitors
flag'...the flag of the Confederate States of America.

Man you need to watch this crap. Just because the idiots waving
confederate flags today are mostly despicable doesn't mean any of the
crap you typed is correct. The South did not see itself as
traitorous. It saw the North imposing its will on the south through
control of both houses of Congress. It saw unfair trade laws that
helped the North and killed the south. The issue of slavery was only
important to the intellectuals in the North, despite what we teach in
school. When Lincoln freed the slaves (only southern slaves btw), the
North threw a fit. So try being a little more scholarly and don't
start throwing out comparisons to Hitler about anyone you don't like.
(Do you call the southern Americans killed in that war "murdered" too?
I don't think so.)
Beside, this guy never once brought up that issue. The word is
"strawman".
jwk
.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 19 Nov 2003 02:11:00 PM

The issue of slavery was only
important to the intellectuals in the North, despite what we teach in
school.

"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and
of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for
themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their
establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and
dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this
country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government all
white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political
rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is
mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and
justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty
Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the
existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional
enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the
fifteen slave-holding States." - Texas Ordinance of Secession, 2 February 1861
"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better,
allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new
[Confederate] constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating
questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists
amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This
was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson
in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the 'rock upon which the old Union
would split.' He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized
fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock
stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and
most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old [US]
constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the
laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and
politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the
general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order
of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea,
though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that
time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the
institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged
against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common
sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They
rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was
a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the 'storm came
and the wind blew. Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite
idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth,
that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to
the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new
government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great
physical, philosophical, and moral truth." - Confederate Vice President
Alexander Stephens, 21 March 1861, Savannah, Georgia.
It seems that you're the one who needs to go back to school. It's there in
their founding documents. It's there in the speeches of the founders of
Confederacy, like Stephens. If your statement was true we would not find these
things...but we do.
Your statement that "slavery was only important to the intellectuals of the
North" is demonstrably false...as proven above. To use Stephens' term, it was
the "cornerstone" of the Confederate government and ideal. Who should we
believe? Apolgists like you or the very founding documents of the Confederacy
and the statements by their founders?
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
.




User: "Peter"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 03:43:27 AM
HEY MR. MUSLIM GUY NICE PIECE YOU WROTE HERE. HOWEVER CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN
TO ME DO YOU KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE THAT DO ALL THESE THINGS. ILL INFORM
YOU MR. MUSLIM GUY THESE PEOPLE ARE WHAT IS KNOWN AS LEFTIST WACKOS RETARDS
FROM HELL. THEY HAVE NO GOD NO RELIGION AND NO MORALS. SO NOW THE CLINCHER
MR. MUSLIM GUY THEY HATE ALL RELIGIONS EXCEPT ISLAM THEY CHAMPION YOUR CAUSE
AGAINST ALL OTHERS. THEY ARE AGAINST ISRAEL AMERICA ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST
YOU ISLAMIC BEASTS. WHY IS THAT MR. MUSLIM GUY LYING SACK OF *****. ILL TELL
YOU WHY MR. MUSLIM GUY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT YOU ISLAMIC SAVAGES ARE AS
PERVERTED AS THEY ARE IF NOT MORE. READ ON IF YOU WANT MORE I HAVE PLENTY
MORE, SO WHO WILL BE TALKING NOW ***** OF ISLAM
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Muslim Girls in Malaysia at BIG Risk!
Topic started by Santa Claus (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on Mon Apr 15
05:27:21 .
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Incest is common in Malaysia and is being reported almost every day!
And the peculiar thing is that this despicable thing is only happening
amonng the Muslim Malays. Is something fundamentally wrong with the
religion?
One man, when questioned why he had raped his daughter, replied that it was
his daughter's fault as she ran from the bathroom to the bedroom, naked. She
was six years old!
The latest to hit the news was where a poor girl was raped by her brother,
brother's friend, father AND her grandfather!!!!
This is not an isolated case. Many such incidents are reported almost on a
daily basis. See today's story:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/4/13/courts/klginces&new
spage=Search
The Government is worried and wants to impose a 20 year sentence on all such
criminals:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/archives/story.asp?ppath=\2002\4\14&file=/200
2/4/14/nation/sbninces&sec=nation
Why is incest so rampant among the Muslims? Are they being taught
uncoosciously that women are for sex only?
http://dawn.com/2001/03/22/local5.htm
KARACHI: 44 incest cases in six years
By Bhagwandas
KARACHI, March 21: Some 44 cases of incest had been reported to police in
Sindh in 1995-2000, according to the data provided by the DIG Crimes, says a
study.
The study, carried out by a research scholar and a Sindh High Court lawyer,
Syeda Viqarun Nisa Hashmi, has highlighted the fact that incidents of incest
were reported under the section dealing with rape and has demanded that
specific law, prescribing exemplary punishments, be formulated to
effectively check the loathsome crime.
The study says only 25.7 per cent of the cases (11 cases) could be finalized
with only 11.3 per cent (5 cases) resulting in acquittals and nine per cent
(four) cases in convictions. The convicts got 1-25 years' imprisonment. One
case was disposed of as false and another one was cancelled.
In 36.6 per cent of the cases the accused were fathers, 6.8pc grandfathers,
6.8pc step fathers, 6.8pc fathers-in-law, 13pc paternal and maternal uncles,
6.8 brothers, 2.2 per cent nephews and 11pc other relations.
The study says the number of reported incest cases is just the tip of the
iceberg because it was considered to be a taboo all over the world in
general and in traditional and conservative societies, such as Pakistan, in
particular, and very few people are ready to come forward and accept or
speak about it. It is reported differently in various societies, but
universally it is viewed as a horror.
Incest is considered to be far more shameful and embarrassing than rape, so
it is difficult to obtain an accurate statistics on the prevalence of
incidents.
A READER SPEAKS OUR: Sodomy and Islam
Steve Van Nattan, editor, adds some observations in this color.
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000
From: Christian
To: Steve Van Nattan
Subject:
Dear Steve,
While preparing a course about Muhammad and reading through your writing
about him, I came across two statements, to which I would like to you some
extra details:
1) John Gunther in "Inside Africa" describes how the Berbers of Morocco hate
the Arabs, though both groups are Muslim. The reason is that the Berbers are
fiercely heterosexual, and Gunther tells us that the Arab Muslims are very
much given to the "vice" of sodomy.
I am a Moroccan and I lived there into the middle of my life and traveled
almost all across the country. Berbers (especially those from the south,
souss) are also sodomites. Actually they are more sodomites then the Arabs.
Whenever, you go to a grocery store owned by a Soussi in Morocco, in 90-99%
of them, you'll find a young boy working there as an apprentice by day and
as the "boss" sexual toy in the evening. Every Moroccan knows that. The
people of Marrakech are well known to all Moroccans as sodomites. They are
50-50 Arabs and Berbers. One of the other famous sodomites areas is
Essawira, especially the town called "Labr3at L7enshan" (The Wednesday
market of serpents). It is commonly said that in that area even when men
sleep with their wives, they make them ware a men's hat and sodomize them.
2) The point is clear-- sodomy is a vice common to many Arab Muslims, and
this is well known to anyone familiar with Middle Eastern life. I have had
Arab converts to Christ warn me of this as I told them I had a zeal to
witness to Arabs. They were concerned for my sons. This picture is still
very real in Saudi Arabia where the desert Bedouin are totally clean of
sodomy, while the city-dwelling Arab men of the Hadhramaut, Riyadh, and the
northern cities, Mecca and Jiddah, are well known for their lust for young
boys.
Among the Arabs, the Gulf Arabs are the worst of sodomites. They don't only
sodomize, they get sodomized also... Not only Arab Muslims are sodomites,
but many other Muslims, like in Malaysia and Indonesia are sodomites too. A
Moroccan whom I met before told me the story of an Algerian friend of his
who was accused falsely (after him) of theft and sent to jail for years
because he refused to please the second-Imam in the toilet of a mosque . The
Imam followed him to the toilet, touched his genital and asked him to
sodomize him. When the guy refused then he accused him of theft and sent him
to jail. I have heard of others whose genitals have been touched by other
Muslims in mosques during the salat...
One of the reasons I became disgusted about Islam and left the mosque and
began to attend Church instead, it was because a Muslim Indonesian man made
a homosexual action to me while we were in the mosque. I rebuked him in
front of everybody and immediately. Guess what happened the next day? The
Imam brought me the police and accused me of breaking to his property, the
mosque. He brought me to the police station but when the police didn't find
any proves for his accusation, they asked me to sign a paper and promise not
to go to his mosque again. Since that day I never went to that mosque. When
I started telling the story to other Muslims, they ridiculed and teased me
about it. That was the time when God started to open my eyes and to lead me
to search for the truth.
If in the future any Muslim start to criticize to you some "Christians" for
being homosexuals, let me deal with him and show him the plank which is in
his eyes first. I hate homosexuality and I am disappointed and mad at those
"Christians" who tolerate homosexuality, however, I won't let Muslims to use
that "defect" in the weak church to be used as a propaganda tool to try to
spread Islam.
Your comments about Muhammad's obsession with his libido made me laugh and
laugh. I think the guy has a problem/complexity with it! Maybe it was too
short or it has a leprosy or a certain disease :-).
Blessings,
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Another reader, a convert from Islam to Christ, adds these thoughts:
Yes, not only in the Middle Eastern countries but also all Islamic nations
this perversion (of sodomy) is rampant. I can tell you a lot about my own
observations from my early teen years as to how I and my friends always made
sure that we went places in groups as a protection against aggressive
sodomites. Mullahs, they are the primitive version of Catholic priests, but
are as lustful! I have been told that when a young mullah first enters a
Madrasa (theological school) he first gets initiated and would have to gain
the favor of some of the older pigs, sexually speaking. What can we expect
from a religion whose unholy book promises not only wide-eyed Houries but
also pretty boys to the qualified inhabitants of its paradise? Immorality is
the spirit of Islam. When I hear some illiterate and uninformed Moslems try
to defend Islam, it makes me nauseated.
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Editor: We have a report that Hassan II's brother, Abdellah, was a sodomite.
He used to go to bars and nights clubs in Morocco and pick up young men and
force them to sleep with him. He died an awful death.
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Why I Am Never Going Back To America

By Zeba Khan, US Citizen

I may be an American citizen, but that's not my fault. I ask the reader to
please forgive me that much and continue with the rest of the article. As

a

consequence of having been born, raised, and college educated in the

States,

I have gora-saab Urdu, a severe allergy to mosquito bites and a blue
passport, but again, that's not my fault.


.

User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 04:52:01 AM
In article <bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Meeeeeaow" <Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Often at parties, mostly at weddings, people (with sons my age who eat,
drink, and dream in red, white and blue) will slyly ask whether or not I
have plans of returning. I say no, not at all, not unless pigs fly, hell
freezes over, and the Cubs win the World Series, all on the same day.

Then they ask me why, and I can never answer them. I'm ashamed to, and the
reason why is because the true nature of American society is obscene, and
Islamic Taboos are often rites of Passage back in God Bless America.

Well, if what other people do is so upsetting to you, that's just tough.
I hope you find a place where no one will ever offend you. I seriously
doubt you'll find such a place. You sound like a bloody wahabist in the
making. As if we needed any more in the world...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
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Quotemeister since March 2002
.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 05:20:39 PM
In article <bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com says...

Why I Am Never Going Back To America

<snip>>

Then they ask me why, and I can never answer them. I'm ashamed to, and the
reason why is because the true nature of American society is obscene, and
Islamic Taboos are often rites of Passage back in God Bless America.

Is it just america? What about most of western europe, or even parts
of latin america. Nice try, troll. We get fewer muslim trolls, but
occasionally a whacko like you comes along.

The
sins that Americans proudly broadcast are so fahosh (obscene!) that I cannot
mention them in mixed company in more than a whisper. But luckily I can type
though, and here, dear readers, dear sly aunties, dear people who think I'm
insane, is why I'm never going back to the US.

So it's not an islamic theocracy and you're a bigot who can't stand any
culture other than your own. Go ***** your camel. I'm sure that's some
kind of sacrament in your culture.


America is famous for turning out highly qualified doctors and engineers,
and I will not insult their universities and colleges. The Ivy League
universities offer the best education that money can buy.

Not true at all. It's great for getting connections. But there are
many schools just as good or better than the Ivy league, depending on
what you're doing.

..in an environment
where 90% of all on-campus rape cases are linked to alcohol

Yawn. What *****.
<snip>

It's a lovely collegiate society where emergency phones with blue
light beacons are installed every 100 or so feet on college grounds to curb
crime and sexual assault.

Disregarding the ludicrous claim, I guess you'd rather not have these
phones and allow potential dangers on campus to go unchecked? The fact
that people are taking precautions is seized upon by this guy as
evidence that things must be terrible. Never mind actually looking at
crime statistics on many campuses, which are often quite low.

I said I wouldn't slander the colleges, and I'm
not. To slander something is to lie, to demean it with incorrect
information, and I'm doing neither.

It is a lie that there are such phones every 100 feet and it is
incorrect that the placement of these things proves that there is
rampant crime. It is an attempt to make sure that the campus is a safe
place, but it does not prove that the campus was unsafe before.

Everything I've mentioned is true blue
(and white, and red) and 100% certifiable

The author is certainly certifiable. Everything said so far is either
flat wrong, or highly distorted due to obvious bigotry.

The
safety part of the class curriculum includes driver's education. The health
part of the class involves skin care, fitness, how to use a condom, how to
recognize transmitted diseases in your sexual partner and why, if you decide
you're a homosexual; it's ok to feel that way.

Some of these classes are half a semester, some are a full semester.
Very few are a full year. Talking about sex can be done in one or two
class sessions. It is hardly the dominant theme. I never recall them
talking about homosexuality at all, so I highly doubt that they promote
it.

I was blessed, truly blessed by Allah that I was absent the day that my
teacher showed a live video of a woman giving birth,

It's a blessing that allah had you sitting home with the shits while
they were showing the only picture of ***** that you're probably ever
gonna see?
<snip>

I, and hundreds of thousands of other young Muslims who were unfortunate
enough to be educated in the US, was taught that being gay (Hijra!) is quite
normal.

That appears to be empirically the case, despite the objections of your
neanderthal religion. An empirical fact is not necessarily an
endorsement.

Never mind the two girls sitting outside the class window kissing
each other with open mouths - they're exercising their right of choice.

Yeah, sure. I never met any girls who were openly lesbians in high
school. In most high schools there is intense pressure to fit in and
conform to the dominant views. Heterosexuality is one of those
dominant views.

Homosexuality is not a deviation, it's a lifestyle, and a rather trendy one
at that.

Your point being?


Hooray for gay-rights and the yearly gay-pride parades held in most major
cities of the US.

I'm glad you support them. I heard mohammed took it up the ***** too,
along with Jesus.

If you're fortunate enough not to know what a gay-pride
parade is, allow me to ruin your day. It's a procession of cars, decorated
floats, dancers, near-naked hijras and brainwashed heterosexuals who are
proud to be part of a sin so severe that it caused the destruction of Sodom
and Gomorrah.

Yeah, ummm, that's just a stupid myth. The hebrews very frequently
alleged that their opponents were sexual perverts of some kind or
other.


Back to school, if your son or daughter needs a condom so that they can have
a little fun on their lunch break,

Ah yes, back in high school I always said that there was nothing like a
good mid-day ***** to relieve the stress of going to class.

they don't need to be ashamed. They can
just go to the school counselor's office and get one from her, for free. If
any of the students want to exercise the freedom that the American
forefathers fought and died for, and engage in some pre-marital relations
without any of the consequences, then there are hundreds of NGO's to help
them with birth control, adoption, or abortion, without ever letting the
parents know what's going on.

Yep, sure. I'm sure the parents would never know if their daughter was
pregnant, carried the baby to term and then put it up for adoption.


I'm being quite bay-sharam, I know, but how else can I explain these things?

Speaking English might help.

How else can I tell you that high-school in Chicago, a very average place,
is a beer-drinking, pot-smoking, hormonally charged orgy where young girls
and boys play merry-go-round with their sexual partners.

I'm sure many high school students wish it was that way, anyway. Maybe
some of the most popular kids get to party like that all the time.
Certainly few of the kids who want to learn anything have little time
for all of that.

Oh, and there's
very high-quality biology, chemistry and physics in there somewhere too.

If you think that my merely mentioning this is outrageous,

You probably would think that science is outrageous, you cretin.

then what do you
think of the unfortunate Pakistanis and Muslims who study this as part of
school curriculum and are taught to practice these things in their daily
life?

What's wrong with practicing chemistry, physics and biology in daily
life? :)

It's not their fault they're subjected to such an immoral
brainwashing,

Oh horseshit. There are lots of religious losers in high school.
Besides, nobody is being brainwashed. In fact, quite the opposite.
There are vigorous campaigns against drug use, for example, which often
use complete falsehoods to scare kids about the dangers.

and that's why I call them (and myself) unfortunate instead of
guilty. These poor 9th graders (aged 14-15 on average) did not chose to be
born in a society where talk is cheap, love is free, and God is banned from
public schools.

That's yet another string of lies. In particular, "God" is not banned
in public. Schools merely cannot endorse religious points of view.
This does not stop students from doing so.


Yes, God is officially banned in public schools.

Nope, that's just a standard lie from a dishonest theist. You can pray
before, during and after school. However, you're in school for reasons
other than constant praying. You need to deal with that fact.

Prayer in school is quite a
controversial issue back over there in God Bless America. Religion is a
private affair, and much like STD's, you're supposed to keep them to
yourself.

Not true in the case of religion. There is a lot of proselytizing,
both unofficially and officially. Just because there are federal rules
doesn't mean that many teachers and principals follow them,
particularly in the bible belt and rural communities. They often have
to be sued before they will stop blatantly violating establishment
requirements.


The American educational assault goes farther than immorality; it extends
into the illogical and absurd. Did you know that our ancestors were monkeys?

Enough of your ignorant nonsense.
<snip>
--
_____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: LAND OF THE *FREE* 16 Nov 2003 03:44:27 AM
In article <bp78h2$1l7b1b$1@ID-31123.news.uni-berlin.de>, Meeeeeaow
<Meeeeeaow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why I Am Never Goi