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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "George Washington Hayduke"
Date: 28 Oct 2004 11:33:20 PM
Object: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists
From The Los Angeles Times, 10/27/04:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-evangelicals27oct27.story
Conflicted Evangelicals Could Cost Bush Votes
Conservative Christians are still in his camp, but some are troubled
by Iraq and other issues.
By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer
BROOKFIELD, Wis. --
With their ardent, Bible-based opposition to abortion and gay
marriage, evangelical Christians are a key target of the massive
Republican get-out-the-vote drive heading into next week's election.
Party leaders consider conservative Christians to be as near a lock
for President Bush as any group can be.
But GOP strategists might want to have a chat with Tim Moore, an
evangelical who teaches civics at a traditional Christian school near
Milwaukee.
He shares Bush's religious convictions, but says the president has
lost his vote because of tax cuts for the wealthy and the
administration's shifting rationales for invading Iraq.

"There's no way I'm going for Bush. That much I know," said Moore, 46.
He remains undecided between Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry of
Massachusetts and a third-party candidate.
Moore reflects a potential problem for Bush in Wisconsin and other
closely contested states, where the GOP and conservative groups have
invested heavily in turning out a record conservative Christian vote
through mailings, voter guides, targeted phone calls and announcements
by prominent evangelists such as Jerry Falwell and James Dobson aired
on religious radio stations.
Some of these targeted voters remain conflicted -- torn between their
religious convictions on so-called values issues, and concerns typical
of suburban moms and dads, such as jobs, healthcare, the Iraq war and
the environment.
Some, such as Wendy Skroch, a 51-year-old mother of three who prays
regularly at the evangelical Elmbrook Church in this heavily
Republican Milwaukee suburb, blame Bush for failing to fix a "broken"
healthcare system and for "selling off the environment to the highest
bidder."
Others are like Joe Urcavich, pastor of the nondenominational
evangelical Green Bay Community Church, where more than 2,000 people
worship each Sunday.
He is undecided, troubled by the bloodshed in the Middle East.
"It's hard for me to say that Christians should be marching against
abortion and carrying signs, and then turn around and giving a pep
rally for the war in Iraq without even contemplating that hundreds and
hundreds of people are being killed on a regular basis over there,"
Urcavich said.
"I'm very antiabortion, but the reality is the right to life
encompasses a much broader field than just abortion," he added.
"If I'm a proponent of life, I have to think about the consequences of
not providing prescription drugs to seniors or sending young men off
to war."
That kind of talk, coming from a conservative Christian who might
ordinarily be inclined to vote Republican, could portend trouble for
Bush.
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+--+
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User: "free radical"

Title: Re: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists 29 Oct 2004 12:52:20 AM
The subject heading here is inaccurate and misleading, because the Times did
not call these people extremists.
Why do atheists distort the truth so often?
"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10o3i4gmubp0j90@corp.supernews.com...

From The Los Angeles Times, 10/27/04:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-evangelicals27oct27.story


Conflicted Evangelicals Could Cost Bush Votes

Conservative Christians are still in his camp, but some are troubled
by Iraq and other issues.

By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer


BROOKFIELD, Wis. --

With their ardent, Bible-based opposition to abortion and gay
marriage, evangelical Christians are a key target of the massive
Republican get-out-the-vote drive heading into next week's election.

Party leaders consider conservative Christians to be as near a lock
for President Bush as any group can be.

But GOP strategists might want to have a chat with Tim Moore, an
evangelical who teaches civics at a traditional Christian school near
Milwaukee.

He shares Bush's religious convictions, but says the president has
lost his vote because of tax cuts for the wealthy and the
administration's shifting rationales for invading Iraq.

"There's no way I'm going for Bush. That much I know," said Moore, 46.

He remains undecided between Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry of
Massachusetts and a third-party candidate.

Moore reflects a potential problem for Bush in Wisconsin and other
closely contested states, where the GOP and conservative groups have
invested heavily in turning out a record conservative Christian vote
through mailings, voter guides, targeted phone calls and announcements
by prominent evangelists such as Jerry Falwell and James Dobson aired
on religious radio stations.

Some of these targeted voters remain conflicted -- torn between their
religious convictions on so-called values issues, and concerns typical
of suburban moms and dads, such as jobs, healthcare, the Iraq war and
the environment.

Some, such as Wendy Skroch, a 51-year-old mother of three who prays
regularly at the evangelical Elmbrook Church in this heavily
Republican Milwaukee suburb, blame Bush for failing to fix a "broken"
healthcare system and for "selling off the environment to the highest
bidder."

Others are like Joe Urcavich, pastor of the nondenominational
evangelical Green Bay Community Church, where more than 2,000 people
worship each Sunday.

He is undecided, troubled by the bloodshed in the Middle East.

"It's hard for me to say that Christians should be marching against
abortion and carrying signs, and then turn around and giving a pep
rally for the war in Iraq without even contemplating that hundreds and
hundreds of people are being killed on a regular basis over there,"
Urcavich said.

"I'm very antiabortion, but the reality is the right to life
encompasses a much broader field than just abortion," he added.

"If I'm a proponent of life, I have to think about the consequences of
not providing prescription drugs to seniors or sending young men off
to war."

That kind of talk, coming from a conservative Christian who might
ordinarily be inclined to vote Republican, could portend trouble for
Bush.

+--+
| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html -- Scientology crime syndicate
| "And his daughter drips semen relentlessly." - Molina
+--+

.
User: "George Washington Hayduke"

Title: Re: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists 29 Oct 2004 07:51:28 PM
"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:

The subject heading here is inaccurate and misleading, because the Times did
not call these people extremists. Why do atheists distort the truth so often?

Read the content, ya fucking rightard mother fucking Christian extremist
moron.

"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10o3i4gmubp0j90@corp.supernews.com...

From The Los Angeles Times, 10/27/04:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-evangelicals27oct27.story


Conflicted Evangelicals Could Cost Bush Votes

Conservative Christians are still in his camp, but some are troubled
by Iraq and other issues.

By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer


BROOKFIELD, Wis. --

With their ardent, Bible-based opposition to abortion and gay
marriage, evangelical Christians are a key target of the massive
Republican get-out-the-vote drive heading into next week's election.

Party leaders consider conservative Christians to be as near a lock
for President Bush as any group can be.

But GOP strategists might want to have a chat with Tim Moore, an
evangelical who teaches civics at a traditional Christian school near
Milwaukee.

He shares Bush's religious convictions, but says the president has
lost his vote because of tax cuts for the wealthy and the
administration's shifting rationales for invading Iraq.

"There's no way I'm going for Bush. That much I know," said Moore, 46.

He remains undecided between Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry of
Massachusetts and a third-party candidate.

Moore reflects a potential problem for Bush in Wisconsin and other
closely contested states, where the GOP and conservative groups have
invested heavily in turning out a record conservative Christian vote
through mailings, voter guides, targeted phone calls and announcements
by prominent evangelists such as Jerry Falwell and James Dobson aired
on religious radio stations.

Some of these targeted voters remain conflicted -- torn between their
religious convictions on so-called values issues, and concerns typical
of suburban moms and dads, such as jobs, healthcare, the Iraq war and
the environment.

Some, such as Wendy Skroch, a 51-year-old mother of three who prays
regularly at the evangelical Elmbrook Church in this heavily
Republican Milwaukee suburb, blame Bush for failing to fix a "broken"
healthcare system and for "selling off the environment to the highest
bidder."

Others are like Joe Urcavich, pastor of the nondenominational
evangelical Green Bay Community Church, where more than 2,000 people
worship each Sunday.

He is undecided, troubled by the bloodshed in the Middle East.

"It's hard for me to say that Christians should be marching against
abortion and carrying signs, and then turn around and giving a pep
rally for the war in Iraq without even contemplating that hundreds and
hundreds of people are being killed on a regular basis over there,"
Urcavich said.

"I'm very antiabortion, but the reality is the right to life
encompasses a much broader field than just abortion," he added.

"If I'm a proponent of life, I have to think about the consequences of
not providing prescription drugs to seniors or sending young men off
to war."

That kind of talk, coming from a conservative Christian who might
ordinarily be inclined to vote Republican, could portend trouble for
Bush.

+--+
| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html -- Scientology crime syndicate
| "And his daughter drips semen relentlessly." - Molina
+--+

+--+
| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html -- Scientology crime syndicate
| "And his daughter drips semen relentlessly." - Molina
+--+
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists 29 Oct 2004 05:54:27 PM
In our last episode <oUkgd.36425$QJ3.8054@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
free radical lept out of the bushes shouting:

The subject heading here is inaccurate and misleading, because the Times
did not call these people extremists.

Why do atheists distort the truth so often?

No, dumbshit, the person who wrote the subject header was *obviously (to
those of us who still have functioning neurons) expressing an opinion. He
was not indicating the LA Times called anybody anything.
Moron.
--
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Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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User: "Fear gan dia"

Title: Re: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists 01 Nov 2004 12:14:43 PM
There are rumors on the internets that "free radical"
said in <oUkgd.36425$QJ3.8054@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>:

The subject heading here is inaccurate and misleading, because the Times did
not call these people extremists.

Nevertheless, they are extremists. Didn't you read the article?
--
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It's the stupidity, stupid!
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User: "Jez"

Title: Re: LATimes: Conflicted Christian Extremists 01 Nov 2004 10:25:39 AM
free radical wrote:

The subject heading here is inaccurate and misleading, because the Times did
not call these people extremists.

Why do atheists distort the truth so often?

We don't. It's you believers that do that, trying to make us believe in
non-existent entities.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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