Religions > Atheism > Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies
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Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
Laws of
Mathematical Probablilities
http://members.shaw.ca/mark.64/hcib/mathlaw.html
Mathematicians generally consider any event with a probability of less than
1 chance in 10 to the 50th power (a 1 with 50 zeros after it) as having a
zero probability (it is impossible). According to the French expert on
probability, Emile Borel, his "single law of chance" (1 chance in 10 to the
50th power) beyond which things never occur, "carries with it a certainty of
another nature than mathematical certainty.it is comparable even to the
certainty with which we attribute to the existence of the external world."
As you read these next few pages remember that any event that has a
probability of greater than 1 in 10 to the 50th power will never have
occurred and/or never will occur.
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references to
the coming of the
Messiah. Forty-eight of these prophecies refer specifically to the life,
death, and resurrection of Jesus. All of the more than 300 prophecies were
published during an eleven hundred -year period that ended four centuries
before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Professor Peter Stoner, using the laws
and science of mathematical probabilities confirmed and supported by H.
Harold Hartzler of the American Scientific Affiliation looked at the
probability of 8 prophecies, and 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one
person; Jesus Christ.
The eight prophecies are as follows:
1. The place of birth Micah 5:2
2. Time of birth Daniel 9:25; Genesis 49:10
3. Manner of birth Isaiah 7:14
4. Betrayal
5. Manner of death Psalms 22:16
6. People's reactions (mocking, spitting, staring, etc.)
7. Piercing
8. Burial
Peter Stoner found that the chance that any man might have lived down to
the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies in 1 in 10 to the 17th
power (100,000,000,000,000,000). So just how big a number is this? If we
take 10 to the 17th silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas they
will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver
dollars and stir the whole mass of silver dollars thoroughly. Blindfold a
person and tell them that they can travel as far as they want but they must
pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. This is the
same chance that the prophets had of writing these eight prophecies and
having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present
time, providing they wrote them in their words. I think it is very safe to
say they had guidance.
Peter Stoner then looked at 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one man. The
odds of this happening turned out to be 1 in 10 to the 157th power. To show
how big a number this is we must use something much, much smaller than a
silver dollar. The electron is about as small an object as we know of. It
is so small that it will take 2.5 times 10 to the 15th power of them laid
side by side to make a line, single file, one inch long. If we were going
to count the electrons in this line one inch long, and counted 250 each
minute, and if we counted day and night, it would take us 19,000,000 years
to count just the one-inch of electrons. If we had a cubic inch of these
electrons and we tried to count them it would take us, counting steadily 250
each minute, 19,000,000 years x 19,000,000 years x 19,000,000 years or 6.9
times 10 to the 21st power. Now lets go back to our number of 10 to the
157th. Let's suppose that we take this huge number of electrons, mark one
and then stir the entire mass. Then we blindfold a man and tell him he can
choose any electron he likes but he only gets one try and it must be the
right one. What chance would he have in finding the right one? The same
chance as one man fulfilling all 48 prophecies.
It is very, very, very safe to say that the writings of the prophets were
guided by the hand of God.
2. THE PROBABILITY OF 17 PROPHECIES COMING TRUE IN ONE MAN; JESUS
CHRIST.
The prophecies:
i) He would be born in Bethlehem and be descended from the tribe of Judah;
Probability: 1 chance in 2,400;
ii) A messenger would precede the Messiah; Probability: 1 chance in 20;
iii) He would enter Jerusalem on a colt; Probability: 1 chance in 50;
iv) He would be betrayed by a friend; Probability: 1 chance in 10;
v) His hands and feet would be pierced; Probability: 1 chance in 100;
vi) His enemies would wound the Messiah; Probability: 1 chance in 10;
vii) He would be betrayed for thirty pieces of silver; Probability: 1
chance in 50;
viii) He will be spit upon and beaten; Probability: 1 chance in 10;
ix) His betrayal money would be thrown in the Temple and then given to buy
a potter's field; Probability: 1 chance in 200;
x) He would be silent before His accusers; Probability: 1 chance in
100;
xi) He would be crucified with thieves; Probability: 1 chance in 100;
xii) People would gamble for His garments; Probability: 1 chance in
100;
xiii) His side would be pierced; Probability: 1 chance in 100;
xiv) None of his bones would be broken; Probability: 1 chance in 20;
xv) His body would not decay; Probability: 1 chance in 10,000;
xvi) He would be buried in a rich man's tomb; Probability: 1 chance in
100;
xvii) Darkness would cover the earth; Probability: 1 chance in 1,000;
Combined probability = 1 chance in 480 billion x 1 billion x 1 trillion
or
1 chance in 480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Remember that this is only reflective of 17 prophecies of a total of 48.
3. Modern research by NASA concludes that the most basic type of protein
molecule that could be considered living is made up of at least 400 linked
amino acids with each one containing a specific arrangement of four or five
chemical elements, and each chemical element is itself a unique combination
of protons, neutrons, and electrons.
Golay showed that the chance formation of even the simplest replicating
(able to reproduce on its own) protein molecule is 1 chance in 10 to the
450th power.
Wysong calculated that the probability of forming the proteins and DNA for
the smallest self-replicating entity to be 1 chance in 10 to the 167,626th
power, even with providing generous amounts of time and reagents.
COMPARISON OF EXPONENTIAL NUMBERS
number of seconds in 15 billion years = 10 to the 18th power
the earth weighs 10 to the 26th ounces or 10 to the 27th grams
the Milky Way Galaxy is estimated to weigh 3 x 10 to the 44th grams
the distance to the nearest star is 40 trillion kilometers or 10 to the 22nd
microns (a micron is 1/25,000 of an inch)
the circumference of the earth is 26,000 miles or 1.6 x 10 to the 9th inches
the number of inches across the "known" universe-an estimated 30 billion
light years or 192,000,000,000,000,000 miles-is 10 to the 27th inches
the number of grains of sand to fill the "known" universe is 10 to the 100th
grains
it takes 3,000 trillion hydrogen atoms to cover the period at the end of
this sentence.
ผ teaspoon of water has 10 to the 24th molecules in it but the estimated
number of atoms in the entire universe is "only" 10 to the 79th.
the total number of electrons and protons in the known universe is estimted
at 10 to the 80th power.
it takes 2.5 x 10 to the 15th electrons, laid side by side, to make one
inch. Counting these electrons at one per second would require 76 million
years.
A single drop of blood has 35,000 red blood cells. A single red blood cell
has 280,000,000 hemoglobin molecules, each molecule having 10,000 atoms. A
single human has 27,000,000,000,000 (27 x 10 to the 12th) red blood cells.
These are all really, really big numbers.
Now consider this.
DeNouy, assuming 500 trillion shakings (chance action and normal thermal
agitation) per second plus a liquid material volume equal to the size of the
earth, estimates that it would require 10 to the 243rd billions of years for
one single molecule to form. Remember that this is only one molecule, and
millions are needed.
Walter L. Bradley and Charles Thaxton, who are both noted creation
scientists, wrote in The Mystery of Life's Origin: Reassessing Current
Theories, that the probability of assembling amino acid building blocks into
a functional protein is approximately one chance in 4.9 x 10 to the 191st
power.
Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist calculated that the odds of a
single bacterium emerging from the basic building blocks necessary were 1
chance in 10 to the 100,000,000,000th power.
Coppedge wrote in Evolution: Possible or Impossible, that the probability of
the occurrence of the smallest theoretical life is only one chance in 10 to
the 119,879th power and the years required for it to evolve would be 10 to
the 119,841st years or 10 to the 119,831st power multiplied by the assumed
age of the earth!
FINALLY..
The odds of finally evolving just one man have been conservatively put at
one chance in 10นบ นฒ or one chance in 10นบบบบบบบบบบบบ. This is a figure
with a trillion zeros. If written out in a single line it would extend some
300,000 miles, and circle the earth 24 times. It would require a million
books the size of a 400-page novel to just print it. Yet beyond one chance
in 10 to the 50th, no chance remains-ever, even in all eternity, for an
event to occur.
Professor Michael Behe is an associate professor of biochemistry at Lehigh
University and author of Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to
Evolution. He makes it very clear that "I am not a creationist." Professor
Behe closes his book with the following words which are inspired by the
facts of science: "As we reach the end of this book, we are left with no
substantive defense against what feels to be a strange conclusion: that life
was designed by an intelligent agent."
A person would be considered foolish if they bet their entire life savings
on even one chance in a thousand-1 in 10 to the 3rd power. Now realize that
evolutionists are gambling on an issue far more vital to them than
retirement money with literally infinite odds against them. They are
gambling on the nature of ultimate reality, the odds that materialism is
true and theism (belief in God) false. If probability calculations and
other considerations relative to prophecy prove Christian theism true-and
heaven or hell hangs in the balance-one might assume people would be very
cautious about the risks they take. Apparently not.
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| User: "Ebola outreach missionaries" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 01:03:15 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references to
the coming of the
Messiah.
Now, *****, Mr Brain, sir, would you care to stop and think about that
statement. It is, in and of itself, ridiculous for a number of
reasons. Now, as an exercise in thinking, can you think what they
might be?
Here's a clue: Do you think that the people who wrote the New
Testament could read?
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 01:14:42 PM |
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In <h781n11u7vufk7uunq423ecnn78ul33b39@4ax.com>, Ebola outreach
missionaries <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references
to the coming of the
Messiah.
Now, *****, Mr Brain, sir, would you care to stop and think about that
statement. It is, in and of itself, ridiculous for a number of reasons.
Now, as an exercise in thinking, can you think what they might be?
Here's a clue: Do you think that the people who wrote the New Testament
could read?
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I mean,
watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu pandemic
is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
Design flaws and malfeasance
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W35E21C1C
Outdated standards
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14E32C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 10:49:40 PM |
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on 08 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mark K. Bilbo
(alt-atheism@org.webmaster) made the light shine upon us with this:
In <h781n11u7vufk7uunq423ecnn78ul33b39@4ax.com>, Ebola outreach
missionaries <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or
references to the coming of the
Messiah.
Now, *****, Mr Brain, sir, would you care to stop and think about
that statement. It is, in and of itself, ridiculous for a number of
reasons. Now, as an exercise in thinking, can you think what they
might be?
Here's a clue: Do you think that the people who wrote the New
Testament could read?
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I
mean, watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu
pandemic is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
No fair, you peeked!
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
09 Nov 2005 05:03:39 AM |
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In <Xns9708971C47FD9vicman@127.0.0.1>, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
on 08 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mark K. Bilbo
(alt-atheism@org.webmaster) made the light shine upon us with this:
In <h781n11u7vufk7uunq423ecnn78ul33b39@4ax.com>, Ebola outreach
missionaries <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or
references to the coming of the
Messiah.
Now, *****, Mr Brain, sir, would you care to stop and think about that
statement. It is, in and of itself, ridiculous for a number of reasons.
Now, as an exercise in thinking, can you think what they might be?
Here's a clue: Do you think that the people who wrote the New Testament
could read?
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I mean,
watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu
pandemic is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
No fair, you peeked!
Well, I *said* I was gonna do it New Testament style...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
Design flaws and malfeasance
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W35E21C1C
Outdated standards
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14E32C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
09 Nov 2005 07:34:03 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I
mean, watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu
pandemic is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
No fair, you peeked!
I can predict the exact scores of the Rose Bowl (American football) this
year.
(This works better in December.)
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
09 Nov 2005 11:40:28 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Lascf.10623$D13.8308@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I
mean, watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu
pandemic is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
No fair, you peeked!
I can predict the exact scores of the Rose Bowl (American football) this
year.
(This works better in December.)
Yea December...Isn't that when they change their theory?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
10 Nov 2005 02:14:56 AM |
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Richard Dawkins wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Lascf.10623$D13.8308@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Yeah, impressive "prophecies" those. Huh. Maybe I'm a prophet! I
mean, watch this!
"A number of terrorist suspects will be arrested in Australia."
"Violence in France will lead to a curfew."
"The head of the World Health Organization will insist a bird flu
pandemic is inevitable."
Okay, now... checking Google news... wow, I was 100% accurate!
Amazing huh?
No fair, you peeked!
I can predict the exact scores of the Rose Bowl (American football)
this year.
(This works better in December.)
Yea December...Isn't that when they change their theory?
No. The Rose Bowl is played January 1 st. Most people don't really think
about this, especially after a drink or two so predicting *this* years score
in December is easy and can win quite a few bets.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
10 Nov 2005 04:03:14 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike Painter
(mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
I can predict the exact scores of the Rose Bowl (American football)
this year.
(This works better in December.)
Yea December...Isn't that when they change their theory?
No. The Rose Bowl is played January 1 st. Most people don't really
think about this, especially after a drink or two so predicting *this*
years score in December is easy and can win quite a few bets.
Cheeky devil!
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
30 Nov 2005 06:27:36 PM |
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In article <Xns9709CC008F40Cvicman@216.196.97.136>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike Painter
(mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
I can predict the exact scores of the Rose Bowl (American football)
this year.
(This works better in December.)
Yea December...Isn't that when they change their theory?
No. The Rose Bowl is played January 1 st. Most people don't really
think about this, especially after a drink or two so predicting *this*
years score in December is easy and can win quite a few bets.
Cheeky devil!
I can tell you where you got your shoes.
Yrsg fubr ba gur yrsg sbbg naq evtug fubr ba gur evtug sbbg, cnl hc
fhpxre.
--
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any
charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his
peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totali-
tarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 09:47:38 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700, "Richard Dawkins"
<Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references to
the coming of the
Messiah. Forty-eight of these prophecies refer specifically to the life,
death, and resurrection of Jesus. All of the more than 300 prophecies were
published during an eleven hundred -year period that ended four centuries
before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Professor Peter Stoner, using the laws
and science of mathematical probabilities confirmed and supported by H.
Harold Hartzler of the American Scientific Affiliation looked at the
probability of 8 prophecies, and 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one
person; Jesus Christ.
So.,.. prophesies from the OT were fulfilled in the NT...
<blink...blink>
It's called a "sequel" you poor, ignorant *****. Of course they were
"fulfilled" or else the story would suck even more than it already
does.
I mean if the people who wrote the NT and who were familiar with the
OT wrote...":The messiah, who's name was Irving, was born on a goat
farm in Gaul." That wouldn't really work would it?
Prophesies were made in the star wars movies that were later fulfilled
in other episodes... therefore the story is real?
Oh, I know...that line of reason only applies to the bible...'cos it's
speeecial.
Raytard, you're dumb as a burlap sack full of rocks.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 11:22:08 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:47:38 -0600,
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700, "Richard Dawkins"
<Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references to
the coming of the
Messiah. Forty-eight of these prophecies refer specifically to the life,
death, and resurrection of Jesus. All of the more than 300 prophecies were
published during an eleven hundred -year period that ended four centuries
before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Professor Peter Stoner, using the laws
and science of mathematical probabilities confirmed and supported by H.
Harold Hartzler of the American Scientific Affiliation looked at the
probability of 8 prophecies, and 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one
person; Jesus Christ.
So.,.. prophesies from the OT were fulfilled in the NT...
<blink...blink>
It's called a "sequel" you poor, ignorant *****. Of course they were
"fulfilled" or else the story would suck even more than it already
does.
I mean if the people who wrote the NT and who were familiar with the
OT wrote...":The messiah, who's name was Irving, was born on a goat
farm in Gaul." That wouldn't really work would it?
Prophesies were made in the star wars movies that were later fulfilled
in other episodes... therefore the story is real?
Oh, I know...that line of reason only applies to the bible...'cos it's
speeecial.
Raytard, you're dumb as a burlap sack full of rocks.
Take that back!
It is an insult to both sacks and rocks.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 03:01:55 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700, "Richard Dawkins"
<Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Laws of
Mathematical Probablilities
http://members.shaw.ca/mark.64/hcib/mathlaw.html
Mathematicians generally consider any event with a probability of less than
1 chance in 10 to the 50th power (a 1 with 50 zeros after it) as having a
zero probability (it is impossible). According to the French expert on
probability, Emile Borel, his "single law of chance" (1 chance in 10 to the
50th power) beyond which things never occur, "carries with it a certainty of
another nature than mathematical certainty.it is comparable even to the
certainty with which we attribute to the existence of the external world."
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Unlike you, "*****", I am a qualified professional mathematician.
I have calculated the probability that you are a complete fuckwit as
110%.
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:10:36 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700, "Richard Dawkins"
<Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Laws of
Mathematical Probablilities
http://members.shaw.ca/mark.64/hcib/mathlaw.html
Mathematicians generally consider any event with a probability of less than
1 chance in 10 to the 50th power (a 1 with 50 zeros after it) as having a
zero probability (it is impossible). According to the French expert on
probability, Emile Borel, his "single law of chance" (1 chance in 10 to the
50th power) beyond which things never occur, "carries with it a certainty of
another nature than mathematical certainty.it is comparable even to the
certainty with which we attribute to the existence of the external world."
As you read these next few pages remember that any event that has a
probability of greater than 1 in 10 to the 50th power will never have
occurred and/or never will occur.
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or references to
the coming of the
Messiah. Forty-eight of these prophecies refer specifically to the life,
death, and resurrection of Jesus. All of the more than 300 prophecies were
published during an eleven hundred -year period that ended four centuries
before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Professor Peter Stoner, using the laws
and science of mathematical probabilities confirmed and supported by H.
Harold Hartzler of the American Scientific Affiliation looked at the
probability of 8 prophecies, and 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one
person; Jesus Christ.
The eight prophecies are as follows:
1. The place of birth Micah 5:2
2. Time of birth Daniel 9:25; Genesis 49:10
3. Manner of birth Isaiah 7:14
4. Betrayal
5. Manner of death Psalms 22:16
6. People's reactions (mocking, spitting, staring, etc.)
7. Piercing
8. Burial
And your non-biblical evidence that any of these prophecies were
fulfilled would be...?
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 01:35:46 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Richard Dawkins
(Dawkins@Hell.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
1. The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies or
references to the coming of the
Messiah. Forty-eight of these prophecies refer specifically to the
life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. All of the more than 300
prophecies were published during an eleven hundred -year period that
ended four centuries before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Professor
Peter Stoner, using the laws and science of mathematical probabilities
confirmed and supported by H. Harold Hartzler of the American
Scientific Affiliation looked at the probability of 8 prophecies, and
48 prophecies being fulfilled in one person; Jesus Christ.
How difficult do you think it was to have read the OT, then fulfilled all
the prophesies as you wrote the NT? Come on Raytard, think!
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Laws of Mathematical Probablilities - The Old Testament contains over three hundred prophecies |
08 Nov 2005 05:33:34 PM |
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Richard Dawkins wrote:
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The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
William C. Barwell 3-16-05
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Deuteronomy 18:21-2
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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Jesus prophecied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles" (Matthew 25:41)
This is what he means by come in his kingdom.
He will literally be "the King" of the world,
And will preside over judgment day itself.
(Matthew 25:31-34), (John 5:23, 5:27).
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
listeners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 9:1.
Matthew 24-5 is one long pericope. A narrative.
Here we are assured that this will happen in
"this generation", Matthew 24:36, see also Luke
21:32, and Mark 13:30.
This generation will see the sun and moon fail,
the stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus will
descend with his fathers angels and "clouds
of heaven". "This generation" is to see this.
Again, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21.
He tells the high priest at Jerusalem that he
too will see Jesus descend with "clouds of heaven"
the same phrase he tells us "this generation"
is to see in Matthew 24:36. See also Mark 14:62.
This phrase "clouds of heaven" of Matthew 26:64
and Mark 14:62 thus pins down the happenings of
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 to be seen in
the times of "this generation" as being seen by
then living high priest, and "Some standing here".
Not some generation 1930 years later.
The "high priest", "this generation", "Some
standing here" did not see these things happen
as prophecied.
No religion has ever failed as spectacularly in
its'prophecies' as has Christianity.
This also puts an end to Revelations, all of that
too was to have taken place some 1930 years ago.
Christianity thus is incredibly irrelevant to
anything, having utterly failed in the main claim
of Jesus, when none of this happened as
prophecied,
by Jesus, alledged god himself according to many
trinitarian Christians.
If Jesus, supposed son of god was so wrong on
this, his main claim, he isn't going to be right
on anything else. This is the most obvious failed
'prophet' and the most failed religion of all
time.
And its finally time to admit these facts.
(End)
The verses quoted.
Matthew 16:27-8
27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of
his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing
here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9
1 And he said unto them, "Verily I say unto you,
That there be some of them that stand here, which
shall not taste of death, till they have seen the
kingdom of God come with power.
Matthew 25:30
31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he
sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 "And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34 "Then shall the King say unto them on his right
hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world:
41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left
hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting
fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those
days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall
not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of
the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 "And he shall send his angels with a great
sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together
his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven to the other.
32 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is nigh:
33 "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these
things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words
shall not pass away.
Matthew 26
64 Jesus saith unto him, "Thou hast said:
nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye
see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14
62 And Jesus said, "I am: and ye shall see the Son
of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the
sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give
her light,
25 "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the
powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 "And then shall he send his angels, and shall
gather together his elect from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to the
uttermost part of heaven.
28 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is near:
29 "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these
things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at
the doors.
30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation
shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Luke 21
25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in
the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth
distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and
the waves roaring;
26 "Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for
looking after those things which are coming on the
earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up, and lift up your heads; for your
redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; "Behold the fig
tree, and all the trees;
30 "When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of
your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 "So likewise ye, when ye see these things come
to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh
at hand.
32 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Deteronomy 18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee, and will put
my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto
them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will
not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in
my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a
word in my name, which I have not commanded him to
speak, or that shall speak in the name of other
gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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