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"Eris" |
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09 Nov 2004 12:55:42 PM |
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Least biased news from Fallujah |
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 01:21:13 PM |
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"Eris" <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com...
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Truth is dead.
Someone will call it slanted no matter where you get it.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 05:54:15 AM |
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"Eris" <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com...
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
FWIW, I won't call it the least biased, but the following blog has been
extremely informative, IMHO.
http://billroggio.com
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 06:18:50 PM |
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Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
In Fallujah.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 06:21:30 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:18:50 -0500, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com>
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Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
In Fallujah.
O.K. what airlines flies into Fallujah. Can I bring my deer rifle?
Would I be considered an insurgent?
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 01:55:07 AM |
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Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Rumsfeld.
--
"I miss voter fraud." - Jon Stewart; The Daily Show.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 02:06:15 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:55:07 -0000 in alt.atheism, Jim Alder (Jim
Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.atheism alt.atheism
Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Rumsfeld.
Maybe, but given he speaks in a code for which no key exists, how can
we know?
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| User: "Joe Cool" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
11 Nov 2004 03:17:28 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:55:07 -0000, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
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Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Rumsfeld.
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
11 Nov 2004 03:39:55 PM |
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(Joe Cool) wrote in news:4193dcf2.956753@netnews.att.net:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:55:07 -0000, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
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Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in
news:8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Rumsfeld.
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.
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"I miss voter fraud." - Jon Stewart; The Daily Show.
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 10:45:22 AM |
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Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com>...
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Right here. Biased only by experience. US forces will take and clean
out Fallujah with some losses, and three months from now, there will
be the same level of US casualties in Fallujah as there were a week or
so ago. Assuming there's any Fallujah left. If no Fallujah, this
will fall into the famous category of "We had to destroy the villiage
to save it."
And four years from now, all other things being equal, the news from
Fallujah will be exactly the same, unless it's worse.
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 10:20:41 AM |
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Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com>...
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
The Daily Show.
jwk
Seriously
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 02:01:17 PM |
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Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 01:32:40 PM |
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In article <4191220D.9080202@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> Nivlem <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> writes:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
Second that.
-- cary
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| User: "Jez" |
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09 Nov 2004 05:16:07 PM |
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Nivlem wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
No no no....post-Huttom BBC is merely downing streets mouthpiece these days.
http://www.medialens.org/blog/index.htm
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/200217.html
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 02:33:03 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
....and you've been led to sincerely believe that they aren't biased
how? Oh, they agree with what you already knew? Ah!
--
zamboni
#2139
I am Zamboni, and I approved this message.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 04:35:09 PM |
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wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
...and you've been led to sincerely believe that they aren't biased
how? Oh, they agree with what you already knew? Ah!
As copmpared to Fox, or even CBS, they've generally made at least some
attempt to show the other side of things, and the coverage has struck me
as a bit more thorough. Alternately, I suppose you could take your news
from the far right Fox and whatever's left of the far left Pacifica at
once, and try to sort out which side is telling the most lies and
spewing the most hysteria on which issues, which is what I do every now
and then. He was asking for least slanted. Absence of slant is
absolutely unobtainable.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 07:58:00 PM |
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Nivlem wrote:
zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going
on in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
...and you've been led to sincerely believe that they aren't biased
how? Oh, they agree with what you already knew? Ah!
As copmpared to Fox, or even CBS, they've generally made at least some
attempt to show the other side of things, and the coverage has struck
me as a bit more thorough. Alternately, I suppose you could take your
news from the far right Fox and whatever's left of the far left
Pacifica at once, and try to sort out which side is telling the most
lies and spewing the most hysteria on which issues, which is what I
do every now and then. He was asking for least slanted. Absence of
slant is absolutely unobtainable.
The BBC and pacifica seem to be good
Google News tends to return a lot of hits and you can pick and choose.
Here's a quote for one of the sources that is interesting:
With the main battle in Fallujah in its 48th hour when Metz spoke to
reporters, the three-star refused to say how many casualties, either enemy
or coalition, have died so far in "al Jabar," or "New Dawn" in Arabic.
"Friendly casualties are light," Metz said. "I am pleased by that."
Pressed by reporters for more detail, Metz said, "You can count our
casualties in certainly a dozen [but] I would not want to characterize it
beyond that. I would like to keep it at a figure that is low, and not state
it . because things may go up and fluctuate over time . ."
He wants to keep it at a figure that is low...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 04:52:11 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:35:09 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
...and you've been led to sincerely believe that they aren't biased
how? Oh, they agree with what you already knew? Ah!
As copmpared to Fox, or even CBS, they've generally made at least some
attempt to show the other side of things, and the coverage has struck me
as a bit more thorough. Alternately, I suppose you could take your news
from the far right Fox and whatever's left of the far left Pacifica at
once, and try to sort out which side is telling the most lies and
spewing the most hysteria on which issues, which is what I do every now
and then. He was asking for least slanted. Absence of slant is
absolutely unobtainable.
That's pretty much what I said in my other post!
--
zamboni
#2139
I am Zamboni, and I approved this message.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 10:50:18 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:33:03 -0600, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
...and you've been led to sincerely believe that they aren't biased
Where did he say that?
The question was: "Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually
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going on in Fallujah?
Note, the request was for the *least slanted" news.
Nivlem merely stated his personal choice.
how? Oh, they agree with what you already knew? Ah!
Try reading for comprehension, and try to engage your brain, before you put your
fucking mouth in gear.
PLONK!
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 02:06:14 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
They're not that unbiased.
For example they describe those who are fighting against the
occupation that doesn't care how many civilians it slaughters as
"insurgents", "rebels" etc. Loaded language that makes it appear as
though the occupation forces have the moral high ground.
When they're doing nothing we wouldn't do if eg the soviets were
occupying us.
The correct word is "resistance". Because that is what it is. But they
won't use that because it would give the game away.
Insurgent, rebel etc makes it appear as though they are fighting
legitimate authority.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 09:46:18 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<de82p05651mltgutfpoon7oj2q0o4ltd41@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
They're not that unbiased.
For example they describe those who are fighting against the
occupation that doesn't care how many civilians it slaughters as
"insurgents", "rebels" etc. Loaded language that makes it appear as
though the occupation forces have the moral high ground.
When they're doing nothing we wouldn't do if eg the soviets were
occupying us.
The correct word is "resistance". Because that is what it is. But they
won't use that because it would give the game away.
Insurgent, rebel etc makes it appear as though they are fighting
legitimate authority.
# noun: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the
constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions)
# noun: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger
force by sabotage and harassment
# adjective: in opposition to a civil authority or government
Oh, I don't know. As I recall, the Bush administration struggled for
some months against the use of "insurgent", apparently because they
wanted the US population to think that all of the counter-US violence
was from "outside terrorists".
Kermit
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 10:32:35 AM |
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On 10 Nov 2004 07:46:18 -0800, (Kermit)
wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<de82p05651mltgutfpoon7oj2q0o4ltd41@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:01:17 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I like the BBC, myself.
They're not that unbiased.
For example they describe those who are fighting against the
occupation that doesn't care how many civilians it slaughters as
"insurgents", "rebels" etc. Loaded language that makes it appear as
though the occupation forces have the moral high ground.
When they're doing nothing we wouldn't do if eg the soviets were
occupying us.
The correct word is "resistance". Because that is what it is. But they
won't use that because it would give the game away.
Insurgent, rebel etc makes it appear as though they are fighting
legitimate authority.
# noun: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the
constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions)
# noun: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger
force by sabotage and harassment
# adjective: in opposition to a civil authority or government
Oh, I don't know. As I recall, the Bush administration struggled for
some months against the use of "insurgent", apparently because they
wanted the US population to think that all of the counter-US violence
was from "outside terrorists".
What "constituted authority"?
What "civil authority or government"?
They have no more legitimacy than the Vichy government in France did.
Or Quisling in Norway.
Kermit
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 05:31:30 PM |
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In article <8i42p09eueuv6eg8378ch9jucupsbhihc4@4ax.com>, Eris
<vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
I would go to the Guardian for a blanced view, and Al-Jazeera for a
mostly balanced view, despite all the ***** about how one-sided they
are. I mean, all Iraqis aren't "insurgents," right? I wouldn't consider
the BBC or any commerical American news source to be reliable--the bias
is pretty obvious and appalling. Real Goebbals-like "good guys vs bad
guys" crap in a more effective and convincing format.
Might I suggest you read up on some of the sites on propaganda analysis
and judge for yourself.
Sean C
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| User: "Joe Cool" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 01:59:44 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Al Jazeera?
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 07:13:45 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:59:44 GMT, (Joe Cool) thought
hard and said:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Al Jazeera?
Hah!
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 01:47:34 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Ha
Haha
Bwahahahaha!!!!!
You really have only one choice...go there!!!!
Seriously. You probably won't get it from an American source, or any
of her allies, or those opposed to American actions. You probably
won't get it from an arab or muslim source, or any opposed to them.
Slant or bias is so subjective as well.
IOW. Does the moon have a news source?
I dunno...listen to Fox news and al-Jazeera...the truth lies somewhere
in between.
--
zamboni
#2139
I am Zamboni, and I approved this message.
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| User: "Joe Cool" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
09 Nov 2004 02:02:23 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Seriously, watch a Pentagon briefing on any news channel. Just don't
listen to the commentary after it.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Least biased news from Fallujah |
10 Nov 2004 10:39:07 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net> wrote:
Where would I get the least slanted news on what is actually going on
in Fallujah?
Auntie BBC, or perhaps TAS.
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