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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Average TD Joe" |
| Date: |
10 Apr 2004 01:35:18 PM |
| Object: |
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!" |
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!"
Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's '***** the Army' Cast When Democratic
presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda
and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970 anti-Vietnam War
protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same cast that Fonda
had assembled earlier that year for her "***** the Army" tour - a kind
of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the morale of U.S. soldiers
fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
after Valley Forge was "terrible."
But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
and those who had returned home.
In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
addressed the Valley Forge rally - as depicted in the now infamous
photo - Fonda's military-bashing credentials were already
well-established.
"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
reports.
Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
witnesses later turned out to be
complete impostors.
Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
inflated his combat credentials.
"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
Clark.
Carl Limbacher
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Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
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| User: "Cisco Kid" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 02:05:15 PM |
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"Average TD Joe" <above_average_joe_7@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:da6fd747.0404101035.1093fa35@posting.google.com...
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!"
Even if he did do this, he's within his Constitutional rights.
Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining committment =
after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to train him as a =
pilot.
AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 02:11:53 PM |
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"Average TD Joe" <above_average_joe_7@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:da6fd747.0404101035.1093fa35@posting.google.com...
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!"
Even if he did do this, he's within his Constitutional rights.
Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining committment
after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to train him as a pilot.
AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Very good point.
Bushites have got a nerve even to mention the military while their hero is
a draft-dodger and an AWOLER.
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| User: "J. W. McCall" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 02:18:04 PM |
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Cisco Kid wrote:
Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to train him as a pilot.
AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is none,
only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I talked
to someone whose husband served with him. I'm no Bush supporter, in
fact, I really don't like the guy much, but before you throw around
accusations that you heard, make sure you can back them up.
J. W. McCall
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 02:43:52 PM |
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Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is none,
only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I talked
to someone whose husband served with him.
Then you're friend's husband should be able to collect the $2000 reward offered
by www.TomPaine.com or the $10,000 reward offered by www.doonesbury.com
Please let us know when you're friend's husband collects.
http://doonesbury.msn.com/strip/bush_guard.html
I served for nine years in the Army, from 1981 to 1990. If I tried really hard
(well, perhaps not that hard) I could get emails from at least a dozen people I
served with in less than a week even though I haven't actually talked with any
in over two years. Why can't Bush do the same? He's the frelling President! As
cliquish as pilots are one would think they'd be tripping over each other to
get their damn picture taken with their old buddy.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Cisco Kid" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 08:26:49 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:18:04 GMT, "J. W. McCall"
<jmccall@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Cisco Kid wrote:
Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to train him as a pilot.
AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is none,
only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I talked
to someone whose husband served with him.
Served with who? When? Where?
It is far, far easier to document someone attended a specfic place
than it is to prove they did not. There would be lots of supporting
documentation to "prove" Bush reported in a timely manner to his
Alabama duty station AND to his old Texas unit after completing his
civilian "job" in Alabama.
This is NOT a mindless charge by democrats. During his 2000 campaign,
Bush made the claim he served in Alabama with the ANG. There is NO
proof that he even showed up at all (save for one dental appointment).
You can't go 18-24 months of being even a part time military member
with NO records documenting your participation. It is also very
unusual for having zero witnesses who can vouch for Bush's service.
Bush refuses to answer the question and has refused to release tax
returns showing the government paid him for drilling.
I'm no Bush supporter, in fact, I really don't like the guy much, but before you throw around
accusations that you heard, make sure you can back them up.
Uh, Bush was the one who made the claim. He needs to be the one to
back up his own claim. The records indicate he did NOT report to
Alabama but, being a favored son of a Congress critter, he was allowed
to puke on his own obligation to the taxpayers.
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| User: "GOP" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
11 Apr 2004 12:14:13 AM |
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote
It is far, far easier to document someone attended a
specfic place than it is to prove they did not.
In this case though, it's actually quite easy to prove that
Bush deserted his unit at a time of war, and later forged
documents to make it appear as if he reported for duty.
Here's what the commander of the Texas air national
guard unit said of Bush BACK THEN:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc9.gif
Bush wasn't there.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
11 Apr 2004 10:21:52 PM |
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"GOP" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dYKdnXEglMiATuXdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
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| "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote
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| > It is far, far easier to document someone attended a
| > specfic place than it is to prove they did not.
|
| In this case though, it's actually quite easy to prove that
| Bush deserted his unit at a time of war, and later forged
| documents to make it appear as if he reported for duty.
|
| Here's what the commander of the Texas air national
| guard unit said of Bush BACK THEN:
|
| http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc9.gif
|
| Bush wasn't there.
File criminal charges, fool.
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
12 Apr 2004 12:22:26 PM |
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"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote
| Here's what the commander of the Texas air national
| guard unit said of Bush BACK THEN:
|
| http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc9.gif
|
| Bush wasn't there.
File criminal charges, fool.
But then again,
Who Cares!
All the national guardsmen who would rather stay at home
with their families than go to Iraq.
If they do what Bush did, they get prosecuted.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 10:01:46 PM |
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:ft6h70lamjfoj9fq7tjsktfu5vsfuqlq90@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:18:04 GMT, "J. W. McCall"
| <jmccall@houston.rr.com> wrote:
|
| >Cisco Kid wrote:
| >
| >> Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining
committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to
train him as a pilot.
| >> AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
| >
| >Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is
none,
| >only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I
talked
| >to someone whose husband served with him.
|
| Served with who? When? Where?
|
| It is far, far easier to document someone attended a specfic place
| than it is to prove they did not. There would be lots of supporting
| documentation to "prove" Bush reported in a timely manner to his
| Alabama duty station AND to his old Texas unit after completing his
| civilian "job" in Alabama.
|
| This is NOT a mindless charge by democrats. During his 2000
campaign,
| Bush made the claim he served in Alabama with the ANG. There is NO
| proof that he even showed up at all (save for one dental
appointment).
| You can't go 18-24 months of being even a part time military member
| with NO records documenting your participation. It is also very
| unusual for having zero witnesses who can vouch for Bush's service.
|
| Bush refuses to answer the question and has refused to release tax
| returns showing the government paid him for drilling.
|
| > I'm no Bush supporter, in fact, I really don't like the guy much,
but before you throw around
| >accusations that you heard, make sure you can back them up.
|
| Uh, Bush was the one who made the claim. He needs to be the one to
| back up his own claim. The records indicate he did NOT report to
| Alabama but, being a favored son of a Congress critter, he was
allowed
| to puke on his own obligation to the taxpayers.
Grasping at straws. You really look like a loser when you do that.
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "Cisco Kid" |
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| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
10 Apr 2004 10:38:38 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:ft6h70lamjfoj9fq7tjsktfu5vsfuqlq90@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:18:04 GMT, "J. W. McCall"
| <jmccall@houston.rr.com> wrote:
|
| >Cisco Kid wrote:
| >
| >> Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining
committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to
train him as a pilot.
| >> AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
| >
| >Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is
none,
| >only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I
talked
| >to someone whose husband served with him.
|
| Served with who? When? Where?
|
| It is far, far easier to document someone attended a specfic place
| than it is to prove they did not. There would be lots of supporting
| documentation to "prove" Bush reported in a timely manner to his
| Alabama duty station AND to his old Texas unit after completing his
| civilian "job" in Alabama.
|
| This is NOT a mindless charge by democrats. During his 2000
campaign,
| Bush made the claim he served in Alabama with the ANG. There is NO
| proof that he even showed up at all (save for one dental
appointment).
| You can't go 18-24 months of being even a part time military member
| with NO records documenting your participation. It is also very
| unusual for having zero witnesses who can vouch for Bush's service.
|
| Bush refuses to answer the question and has refused to release tax
| returns showing the government paid him for drilling.
|
| > I'm no Bush supporter, in fact, I really don't like the guy much,
but before you throw around
| >accusations that you heard, make sure you can back them up.
|
| Uh, Bush was the one who made the claim. He needs to be the one to
| back up his own claim. The records indicate he did NOT report to
| Alabama but, being a favored son of a Congress critter, he was
allowed
| to puke on his own obligation to the taxpayers.
Grasping at straws. You really look like a loser when you do that.
Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
application and you get fired.
But then again,
Who Cares!
I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone to do a
job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of my money
back.
You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more and more
everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
11 Apr 2004 10:21:03 PM |
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >news:ft6h70lamjfoj9fq7tjsktfu5vsfuqlq90@4ax.com...
| >| On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:18:04 GMT, "J. W. McCall"
| >| <jmccall@houston.rr.com> wrote:
| >|
| >| >Cisco Kid wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining
| >committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to
| >train him as a pilot.
| >| >> AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
| >| >
| >| >Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is
| >none,
| >| >only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I
| >talked
| >| >to someone whose husband served with him.
| >|
| >| Served with who? When? Where?
| >|
| >| It is far, far easier to document someone attended a specfic
place
| >| than it is to prove they did not. There would be lots of
supporting
| >| documentation to "prove" Bush reported in a timely manner to his
| >| Alabama duty station AND to his old Texas unit after completing
his
| >| civilian "job" in Alabama.
| >|
| >| This is NOT a mindless charge by democrats. During his 2000
| >campaign,
| >| Bush made the claim he served in Alabama with the ANG. There is
NO
| >| proof that he even showed up at all (save for one dental
| >appointment).
| >| You can't go 18-24 months of being even a part time military
member
| >| with NO records documenting your participation. It is also very
| >| unusual for having zero witnesses who can vouch for Bush's
service.
| >|
| >| Bush refuses to answer the question and has refused to release
tax
| >| returns showing the government paid him for drilling.
| >|
| >| > I'm no Bush supporter, in fact, I really don't like the guy
much,
| >but before you throw around
| >| >accusations that you heard, make sure you can back them up.
| >|
| >| Uh, Bush was the one who made the claim. He needs to be the one
to
| >| back up his own claim. The records indicate he did NOT report to
| >| Alabama but, being a favored son of a Congress critter, he was
| >allowed
| >| to puke on his own obligation to the taxpayers.
| >
| >Grasping at straws. You really look like a loser when you do that.
|
| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| application and you get fired.
*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your case
would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
|
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone to do
a
| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of my
money
| back.
You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact. Well,
show some proof, fool.
| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more and
more
| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
But then again,
Who Cares!
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| User: "Cisco Kid" |
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| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
12 Apr 2004 11:23:07 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:21:03 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| application and you get fired.
*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your case
would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
So you're an attorney? The only lack of evidence is any substantiated
proof Bush showed up for duty. He wasn't prosecuted or even charged
because he was George W Bush - the son of a US Congressman.
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone to do
a
| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of my
money
| back.
You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact. Well,
show some proof, fool.
You want proof? Do as I did. Get a commission in either the USAF or
ANG and inquire about UPT. You'll find LOTS of documentation on how
much it costs taxpayers to train ONE pilot.
| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more and
more
| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Only those of us who care about our government being accountable to
it's citizens.
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| User: "Who Cares!" |
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| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
12 Apr 2004 05:43:20 PM |
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:n9gl70htqgq6l8rmev3ha6v28d3j953qb4@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:21:03 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| >| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| >| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| >| application and you get fired.
| >
| >*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your case
| >would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
|
| So you're an attorney? The only lack of evidence is any
substantiated
| proof Bush showed up for duty. He wasn't prosecuted or even charged
| because he was George W Bush - the son of a US Congressman.
PROVE it or shut up. And if you have the proof then get him
IMPEACHED. Your incessant droning is very annoying and you look like
a fool.
|
| >| >But then again,
| >| >Who Cares!
| >|
| >| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone to
do
| >a
| >| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of my
| >money
| >| back.
| >
| >You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact.
Well,
| >show some proof, fool.
|
| You want proof? Do as I did. Get a commission in either the USAF
or
| ANG and inquire about UPT. You'll find LOTS of documentation on how
| much it costs taxpayers to train ONE pilot.
But, fool, you claimed he DIDN'T SHOW UP and therefore WASN'T TRAINED.
How could it cost a million bucks NOT TO TRAIN SOMEONE?!?
|
| >| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more and
| >more
| >| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
| >
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| Only those of us who care about our government being accountable to
| it's citizens.
But then again,
Who Cares!
.
|
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| User: "Cisco Kid" |
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| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
12 Apr 2004 07:36:32 PM |
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|
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:43:20 GMT, "Who Cares!"
<whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:n9gl70htqgq6l8rmev3ha6v28d3j953qb4@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:21:03 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| >| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| >| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| >| application and you get fired.
| >
| >*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your case
| >would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
|
| So you're an attorney? The only lack of evidence is any
substantiated
| proof Bush showed up for duty. He wasn't prosecuted or even charged
| because he was George W Bush - the son of a US Congressman.
PROVE it or shut up. And if you have the proof then get him
IMPEACHED. Your incessant droning is very annoying and you look like
a fool.
This is simply a mutually exclusive scenario - if there is NO proof
Bush drilled as ordered with the AANG, then he was absent. There is
NO documentation excusing him from missing that drill period.
Case closed - you lose.
|
| >| >But then again,
| >| >Who Cares!
| >|
| >| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone to
do
| >a
| >| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of my
| >money
| >| back.
| >
| >You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact.
Well,
| >show some proof, fool.
|
| You want proof? Do as I did. Get a commission in either the USAF
or
| ANG and inquire about UPT. You'll find LOTS of documentation on how
| much it costs taxpayers to train ONE pilot.
But, fool, you claimed he DIDN'T SHOW UP and therefore WASN'T TRAINED.
How could it cost a million bucks NOT TO TRAIN SOMEONE?!?
Bush attended UPT and was trained as an aviator. Because of the huge
sum of money it costs to train a military aviator, they incur an
additional duty commitment of typically 6 years. This was documented
in his service records. What is NOT documented is ANY participation
by Bush during his last two years of his obligated commitment.
Bush still owes the taxpayers $333,333.33.
Since you dont' care, I'll gladly take your portion.
| >| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more and
| >more
| >| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
| >
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| Only those of us who care about our government being accountable to
| it's citizens.
But then again,
Who Cares!
I suppose you also wouldn't care if our troops in Iraq suddenly
decided they have had enough and walked away from their remaining
tours, right? After all, Bush did it - why shouldn't they?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Who Cares!" |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
13 Apr 2004 10:25:38 AM |
|
|
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:tucm701h6icndoihi49619e7sto8acofem@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:43:20 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >news:n9gl70htqgq6l8rmev3ha6v28d3j953qb4@4ax.com...
| >| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:21:03 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >|
| >| >
| >| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >| >news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| >| >| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >| >| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| >| >| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| >| >| application and you get fired.
| >| >
| >| >*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your
case
| >| >would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
| >|
| >| So you're an attorney? The only lack of evidence is any
| >substantiated
| >| proof Bush showed up for duty. He wasn't prosecuted or even
charged
| >| because he was George W Bush - the son of a US Congressman.
| >
| >PROVE it or shut up. And if you have the proof then get him
| >IMPEACHED. Your incessant droning is very annoying and you look
like
| >a fool.
|
| This is simply a mutually exclusive scenario - if there is NO proof
| Bush drilled as ordered with the AANG, then he was absent. There is
| NO documentation excusing him from missing that drill period.
|
| Case closed - you lose.
|
|
| >|
| >| >| >But then again,
| >| >| >Who Cares!
| >| >|
| >| >| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone
to
| >do
| >| >a
| >| >| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of
my
| >| >money
| >| >| back.
| >| >
| >| >You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact.
| >Well,
| >| >show some proof, fool.
| >|
| >| You want proof? Do as I did. Get a commission in either the
USAF
| >or
| >| ANG and inquire about UPT. You'll find LOTS of documentation on
how
| >| much it costs taxpayers to train ONE pilot.
| >
| >But, fool, you claimed he DIDN'T SHOW UP and therefore WASN'T
TRAINED.
| >How could it cost a million bucks NOT TO TRAIN SOMEONE?!?
|
| Bush attended UPT and was trained as an aviator. Because of the
huge
| sum of money it costs to train a military aviator, they incur an
| additional duty commitment of typically 6 years. This was
documented
| in his service records. What is NOT documented is ANY participation
| by Bush during his last two years of his obligated commitment.
|
| Bush still owes the taxpayers $333,333.33.
| Since you dont' care, I'll gladly take your portion.
Give me a good link to your "million dollar" claim, please. Betcha
can't...
|
| >| >| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more
and
| >| >more
| >| >| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
| >| >
| >| >But then again,
| >| >Who Cares!
| >|
| >| Only those of us who care about our government being accountable
to
| >| it's citizens.
| >
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| I suppose you also wouldn't care if our troops in Iraq suddenly
| decided they have had enough and walked away from their remaining
| tours, right? After all, Bush did it - why shouldn't they?
If they did they should be prosecuted. If Bush did he should be
prosecuted. If there isn't enough evidence to prosecute him then drop
it. Otherwise go after him, fool.
But then again,
Who Cares!
.
|
|
|
| User: "J.C.C." |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
13 Apr 2004 10:45:18 AM |
|
|
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
news:SDTec.7548$k05.2199@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
news:tucm701h6icndoihi49619e7sto8acofem@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:43:20 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >news:n9gl70htqgq6l8rmev3ha6v28d3j953qb4@4ax.com...
| >| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:21:03 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >|
| >| >
| >| >"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
| >| >news:g7fh70h0ku042lhmrl2ouf97sr4uki0g7b@4ax.com...
| >| >| On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:46 GMT, "Who Cares!"
| >| >| <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote:
| >| >| Straws? I'm not the one who claimed I served somewhere when I
| >| >| actually didn't. It's called lying. Do that on an employment
| >| >| application and you get fired.
| >| >
| >| >*IF* he did as you claimed he should be prosecuted. But your
case
| >| >would be thrown out for lack of evidence.
| >|
| >| So you're an attorney? The only lack of evidence is any
| >substantiated
| >| proof Bush showed up for duty. He wasn't prosecuted or even
charged
| >| because he was George W Bush - the son of a US Congressman.
| >
| >PROVE it or shut up. And if you have the proof then get him
| >IMPEACHED. Your incessant droning is very annoying and you look
like
| >a fool.
|
| This is simply a mutually exclusive scenario - if there is NO proof
| Bush drilled as ordered with the AANG, then he was absent. There is
| NO documentation excusing him from missing that drill period.
|
| Case closed - you lose.
|
|
| >|
| >| >| >But then again,
| >| >| >Who Cares!
| >| >|
| >| >| I do. A million bucks is a lot of money to invest in someone
to
| >do
| >| >a
| >| >| job. When that job goes incomplete, I'd like to get some of
my
| >| >money
| >| >| back.
| >| >
| >| >You libs keep quoting this "million bucks" like it was a fact.
| >Well,
| >| >show some proof, fool.
| >|
| >| You want proof? Do as I did. Get a commission in either the
USAF
| >or
| >| ANG and inquire about UPT. You'll find LOTS of documentation on
how
| >| much it costs taxpayers to train ONE pilot.
| >
| >But, fool, you claimed he DIDN'T SHOW UP and therefore WASN'T
TRAINED.
| >How could it cost a million bucks NOT TO TRAIN SOMEONE?!?
|
| Bush attended UPT and was trained as an aviator. Because of the
huge
| sum of money it costs to train a military aviator, they incur an
| additional duty commitment of typically 6 years. This was
documented
| in his service records. What is NOT documented is ANY participation
| by Bush during his last two years of his obligated commitment.
|
| Bush still owes the taxpayers $333,333.33.
| Since you dont' care, I'll gladly take your portion.
Give me a good link to your "million dollar" claim, please. Betcha
can't...
|
| >| >| You're the one looking like a loser - just like shrub is more
and
| >| >more
| >| >| everyday of his Iraq quagmire.
| >| >
| >| >But then again,
| >| >Who Cares!
| >|
| >| Only those of us who care about our government being accountable
to
| >| it's citizens.
| >
| >But then again,
| >Who Cares!
|
| I suppose you also wouldn't care if our troops in Iraq suddenly
| decided they have had enough and walked away from their remaining
| tours, right? After all, Bush did it - why shouldn't they?
If they did they should be prosecuted. If Bush did he should be
prosecuted. If there isn't enough evidence to prosecute him then drop
it. Otherwise go after him, fool.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and convicted
and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as President of
the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
Now, who cares?
--
"For those who have fought for it, freedom
has a taste the protected will never know."
J.C.C.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Who Cares!" |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
13 Apr 2004 08:24:12 PM |
|
|
"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
news:iWTec.13072955$Of.2180980@news.easynews.com...
|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
.
|
|
|
| User: "J.C.C." |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 09:09:13 AM |
|
|
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Actually, Kerry skipped out almost 4 YEARS early. That's why he won't
release his military records. He does not want people to know that he ducked
out on his inactive reserve committment we all had after our active duty
sentence.
Who cares?
--
"For those who have fought for it, freedom
has a taste the protected will never know."
J.C.C.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cisco Kid" |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 10:58:22 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:09:13 GMT, "J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote:
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
news:iWTec.13072955$Of.2180980@news.easynews.com...
|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Actually, Kerry skipped out almost 4 YEARS early. That's why he won't
release his military records. He does not want people to know that he ducked
out on his inactive reserve committment we all had after our active duty
sentence.
Who cares?
How can one "skip out" on an inactive reserve commitment? I served 5
years active duty then was assigned to the inactive (standby) reserves
for another 5 years. During that time, all I had to do was fill out
an annual form saying where I was living, working, if my marital
status had changed etc. This is different from the active (ready)
reserves in which you must regularly report for drills.
Kerry wasn't a pilot. Bush was. Bush had an "active" reserve
obligation, not an inactive one.
As soon as you right wing nuts brush up on your military regs, then
you can attempt to make these charges.
Bush had an obligated commitment which was never fulfilled.
.
|
|
|
| User: "J.C.C." |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 11:06:40 AM |
|
|
"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:09:13 GMT, "J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote:
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Actually, Kerry skipped out almost 4 YEARS early. That's why he won't
release his military records. He does not want people to know that he
ducked
out on his inactive reserve committment we all had after our active duty
sentence.
Who cares?
How can one "skip out" on an inactive reserve commitment? I served 5
years active duty then was assigned to the inactive (standby) reserves
for another 5 years. During that time, all I had to do was fill out
an annual form saying where I was living, working, if my marital
status had changed etc. This is different from the active (ready)
reserves in which you must regularly report for drills.
Kerry wasn't a pilot. Bush was. Bush had an "active" reserve
obligation, not an inactive one.
As soon as you right wing nuts brush up on your military regs, then
you can attempt to make these charges.
Bush had an obligated commitment which was never fulfilled.
So did Kerry.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Clave" |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 01:12:48 PM |
|
|
"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:09:13 GMT, "J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote:
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Actually, Kerry skipped out almost 4 YEARS early. That's why he won't
release his military records. He does not want people to know that he
ducked
out on his inactive reserve committment we all had after our active duty
sentence.
Who cares?
How can one "skip out" on an inactive reserve commitment? I served 5
years active duty then was assigned to the inactive (standby) reserves
for another 5 years. During that time, all I had to do was fill out
an annual form saying where I was living, working, if my marital
status had changed etc. This is different from the active (ready)
reserves in which you must regularly report for drills.
Kerry wasn't a pilot. Bush was. Bush had an "active" reserve
obligation, not an inactive one.
As soon as you right wing nuts brush up on your military regs, then
you can attempt to make these charges.
Bush had an obligated commitment which was never fulfilled.
So did Kerry.
UNfortunately for you, this lie has no chance of ever being perceived as truth,
no matter how often you tell it.
Jim
.
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|
|
| User: "J.C.C." |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 01:56:41 PM |
|
|
"Clave" <ClaviusFairAndBalanced@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
news:c5jv200inm@news3.newsguy.com...
"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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"Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:09:13 GMT, "J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote:
"Who Cares!" <whocares@freetidet.org> wrote in message
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"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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|
<snip>
| >
|
| Come on. He got caught sneaking out on his duty. He was tried and
convicted
| and sentenced to serve at least 4 years community service as
President of
| the United States. So far, he has been serving his time.
|
| Now, who cares?
|
|
| --
| "For those who have fought for it, freedom
| has a taste the protected will never know."
|
| J.C.C.
|
|
You might be on to something there! Clinton dodged the draft to go
to
England and smoke dope and HE had to serve as president, too! Only
he
had to serve 8 years so he must have been really bad. I guess
JFKerry
won't make it, although he skipped out 4 months early.
But then again,
Who Cares!
Actually, Kerry skipped out almost 4 YEARS early. That's why he won't
release his military records. He does not want people to know that he
ducked
out on his inactive reserve committment we all had after our active
duty
sentence.
Who cares?
How can one "skip out" on an inactive reserve commitment? I served 5
years active duty then was assigned to the inactive (standby) reserves
for another 5 years. During that time, all I had to do was fill out
an annual form saying where I was living, working, if my marital
status had changed etc. This is different from the active (ready)
reserves in which you must regularly report for drills.
Kerry wasn't a pilot. Bush was. Bush had an "active" reserve
obligation, not an inactive one.
As soon as you right wing nuts brush up on your military regs, then
you can attempt to make these charges.
Bush had an obligated commitment which was never fulfilled.
So did Kerry.
UNfortunately for you, this lie has no chance of ever being perceived as
truth,
no matter how often you tell it.
Jim
Has no chance of ever being disproved either. Unless of course Kerry the
phony does what he demanded Bush do, release ALL of his military records.
Why do you think he is afraid to do that?
--
"For those who have fought for it, freedom
has a taste the protected will never know."
J.C.C.
.
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|
|
| User: "Clave" |
|
| Title: Re: I Do!!! |
14 Apr 2004 02:29:19 PM |
|
|
"J.C.C." <jcc2435@sbctel.net> wrote in message
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<...>
Bush had an obligated commitment which was never fulfilled.
So did Kerry.
UNfortunately for you, this lie has no chance of ever being perceived
as truth, no matter how often you tell it.
Has no chance of ever being disproved either. Unless of course Kerry the
phony does what he demanded Bush do, release ALL of his military records.
Why do you think he is afraid to do that?
He's not releasing his medical records. Why should he?
Jim
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: GW Went AWOL! |
10 Apr 2004 11:45:29 PM |
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|
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:26:49 GMT, Cisco Kid <ckid@attnet.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:18:04 GMT, "J. W. McCall"
<jmccall@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Cisco Kid wrote:
Your boy, GW Bush, simply walked away from his remaining committment after bilking the taxpayers out of the $1m it cost to train him as a pilot.
AWOL, desertion, et al, is a criminal offense.
Do you have any proof of this? From what I've heard, there is none,
only accusations by Democrats for political reasons. In fact, I talked
to someone whose husband served with him.
Served with who? When? Where?
It is far, far easier to document someone attended a specfic place
than it is to prove they did not. There would be lots of supporting
documentation to "prove" Bush reported in a timely manner to his
Alabama duty station AND to his old Texas unit after completing his
civilian "job" in Alabama.
This is NOT a mindless charge by democrats. During his 2000 campaign,
Bush made the claim he served in Alabama with the ANG. There is NO
proof that he even showed up at all (save for one dental appointment).
You can't go 18-24 months of being even a part time military member
with NO records documenting your participation. It is also very
unusual for having zero witnesses who can vouch for Bush's service.
Bush refuses to answer the question and has refused to release tax
returns showing the government paid him for drilling.
And a standing $10,000 reward for anyone who can document serving with
him there has gone uncollected. No one can seem to find a photo with
him, or attendance sheet, or anything. Strange that.
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!" |
10 Apr 2004 01:41:54 PM |
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|
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The army is heading for Armageddon with a Rapture Nut in the White House.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's '***** the Army' Cast When Democratic
presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda
and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970 anti-Vietnam War
protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same cast that Fonda
had assembled earlier that year for her "***** the Army" tour - a kind
of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the morale of U.S. soldiers
fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
after Valley Forge was "terrible."
But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
and those who had returned home.
In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
addressed the Valley Forge rally - as depicted in the now infamous
photo - Fonda's military-bashing credentials were already
well-established.
"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
reports.
Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
witnesses later turned out to be
complete impostors.
Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
inflated his combat credentials.
"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
Clark.
Carl Limbacher
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Big deal. Ancient history.
At least he's not saying, ***** the troops, our contracts and our power over
this new country of ours supercedes the losses.
What's a 1000 of our men and women. Most of them are lower class people
anyway, who only joined 'cause they wanted a good education, some good
discipline, and a better life for them and their families.
"Average TD Joe" <above_average_joe_7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:da6fd747.0404101035.1093fa35@posting.google.com...
Left Wing Hanoi john Kerry says: "***** THE ARMY!!"
Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's '***** the Army' Cast When Democratic
presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda
and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970 anti-Vietnam War
protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same cast that Fonda
had assembled earlier that year for her "***** the Army" tour - a kind
of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the morale of U.S. soldiers
fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
after Valley Forge was "terrible."
But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
and those who had returned home.
In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
addressed the Valley Forge rally - as depicted in the now infamous
photo - Fonda's military-bashing credentials were already
well-established.
"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
reports.
Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
witnesses later turned out to be
complete impostors.
Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
inflated his combat credentials.
"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
Clark.
Carl Limbacher
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Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
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