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"*nemo*" |
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15 Feb 2004 05:33:27 PM |
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Let them have their inches? |
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Let them have their inches? |
15 Feb 2004 06:23:14 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B0C3FF.18332415022004@news06.east.earthlink.net...
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
Right on, Nemo!
I just got back from a meeting of the Delaware Valley Chapter
of Americans United For the Separation of Church and State
a couple hours ago. We're a new chapter - only four meetings,
so far - and are still getting organized. But, I now know which
group within the chapter I'll be working with , and I'm all
set to get to work to do something. I'll be checking out my
local papers for articles about infractions, writing letters and
I'll be at the March for Choice in April. I finally feel like I'm
really doing something. And, when I retire in a few years, I
plan to do a lot more. We can't just sit back and bellyache.
We have to act!
And I've signed the form to impeach the vicious thug who
currently occupies the White House. 383,000 Americans
have signed on to this campaign, so far.
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list #1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Let them have their inches? |
15 Feb 2004 11:56:28 PM |
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In article <N-WdnSumYuP7kK3dRVn-hA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B0C3FF.18332415022004@news06.east.earthlink.net...
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
Right on, Nemo!
I just got back from a meeting of the Delaware Valley Chapter
of Americans United For the Separation of Church and State
a couple hours ago. We're a new chapter - only four meetings,
so far - and are still getting organized. But, I now know which
group within the chapter I'll be working with , and I'm all
set to get to work to do something. I'll be checking out my
local papers for articles about infractions, writing letters and
I'll be at the March for Choice in April. I finally feel like I'm
really doing something. And, when I retire in a few years, I
plan to do a lot more. We can't just sit back and bellyache.
We have to act!
I agree. Good for you, Mickey!
And I've signed the form to impeach the vicious thug who
currently occupies the White House. 383,000 Americans
have signed on to this campaign, so far.
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
I already did! (Though all I got back from,my Rep., a big Conservative,
was a form letter.)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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| Title: Re: Let them have their inches? |
16 Feb 2004 05:18:19 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:23:14 -0500 Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B0C3FF.18332415022004@news06.east.earthlink.net...
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
Right on, Nemo!
I just got back from a meeting of the Delaware Valley Chapter
of Americans United For the Separation of Church and State
a couple hours ago. We're a new chapter - only four meetings,
so far - and are still getting organized. But, I now know which
group within the chapter I'll be working with , and I'm all
set to get to work to do something. I'll be checking out my
local papers for articles about infractions, writing letters and
I'll be at the March for Choice in April. I finally feel like I'm
really doing something. And, when I retire in a few years, I
plan to do a lot more. We can't just sit back and bellyache.
We have to act!
And I've signed the form to impeach the vicious thug who
currently occupies the White House. 383,000 Americans
have signed on to this campaign, so far.
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
Thank you very much for the link. Probably won't do much good
though, since I still live in Utawh. I don't understand why this
even needs this much effort. Clinton lied about a ***** and he
gets investigated. Bush lies about WMD and nothing happens to him!
--
The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Let them have their inches? |
15 Feb 2004 10:30:55 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:23:14 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> said in alt.atheism:
And I've signed the form to impeach the vicious thug who
currently occupies the White House. 383,000 Americans
have signed on to this campaign, so far.
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
Thanks for the link, Mickey. You know my reaction. :)
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Let them have their inches? |
15 Feb 2004 11:49:57 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-B0C3FF.18332415022004@news06.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
I agree. Either we are a secular society or we are not. Religion belongs
in the churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples but not in our
government, and certainly not in our schools.
If these people want a theocracy, perhaps they should go and live in
Iran for a while. It may change their outlook.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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15 Feb 2004 06:31:09 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:33:27 +0000, *nemo* wrote:
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
Get a thick black marker pen and cross it off every bill that comes your
way.
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phillip brown
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| User: "The Plasmatron" |
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16 Feb 2004 05:14:55 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:33:27 GMT *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Having a government-paid chaplain in Congress.
Getting a Supreme Court justice to say America is a Christian Nation
(whatever that was supposed to mean).
Having every state constitution mention God.
Removing the idea of "affirmation" from constitutional ammendments.
Adding "So help me God" to the President's Oath of Office.
Getting "In God We Trust" on the coinage.
Adding "Under God" to the Pledge.
Innumerable other tiny, almost reasonable inch-long steps back toward
theocracy.
I was talking with a professor at my son's school, a life-long atheist.
He said he wouldn't push to have God removed from the money. I said "Why
not? It was put there against the rules. It does nothing but perpetuate
the idea that godless people are outsiders."
I say screw them. There's no reason to let these day-long jerk-offs keep
their inches. Take them back, every one of them that can be found.
Otherwise, their inches will become a mile, and we'll be run by the
likes of Jerry Falwell in open truth, instead of from the shadows.
As a deist, like Jefferson, I must agree 100%. The government has
no business making ANY statements one way or the other about ANY gods.
You may find the site http://www.deism.com/tax_religions.htm to be
refreshing proof that not all theists want chruches to have power
Frankly I still don't trust the darn things.
We may disagree about the existence of God, but we certainly agree
about how much representation God should have in any government.
Bluntly there are no priests that can be trusted, and any deity
that *needs* worship is a petulant child unworthy of trust or respect,
let alone worship, even if it exists.
(For the record, I have no interest in debating the existence of God.
If I'm right God has moved on. If you're right he was never here. What
could be gained by arguing which is true that is worth our time?)
--
The Left Reverend Plasmatron at hotpop com
"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think"
- Niels Bohr
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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15 Feb 2004 06:20:27 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:33:27 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
Looking at the history of the United States, particularly the parts
regarding the separation of church and state, I sometimes get rather
upset at the way things have turned out.
When Jefferson was president, he worked full-time to keep the religious
leaders from getting their goal of removing the wall of separation. But
from that time on, Christian zealots in America have been taking back
their lost ground in inches.
Is all that really true? I mean, has the situation really deteriorated
in recent years? Currently, I believe there's a chance of gay marriage
in Massachussets (sp?), and those stone ten commandments slabs are
being removed. Surely, 50 years ago, there was no chance of even
mentioning either.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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15 Feb 2004 11:47:15 PM |
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"W.Syme" <W.Syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote
Is all that really true? I mean, has the situation really
deteriorated in recent years?
Yes & no.
The situation is much better now than in the past, but right
now we have a full-blown political movement and an
administration that views rolling back the clock as a major
priority.
For all the Bush apologists around here -- "Fred" and that
festering moron -- Bush has always intended to make good
on his promises to the Religious Reich.
What else does he have to offer?
Seriously. If NASCAR dad has got a job -- and that's an "If" --
he certainly has no job security. He's been paying into Social
Security his whole life, and watched as the S.S. trust fund
financed every tax cut to the wealthy, but there won't be a dime
for him when he retires. He has to play by the rules or get
punished, while people like Ken Lay steal $63 billion out of
the U.S. economy and never even get a parking ticket.
So, yeah, things are bad right now on the separation-of-church
-and-state front. We have a "President" who sees open warfare
on the constitution as a major priority.
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