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"GoDrex" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:55:55 AM |
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Let them walk out of here |
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in NOLA as
they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job and said "let's
get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the knees and started
yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.mov
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....with a big ol' lie and a flag and a pie and a mom and a bible most folks
are just libel to buy any line, any place any time...
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| User: "Woden" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:27:33 PM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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03 Sep 2005 09:37:48 PM |
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Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Also, I read of some tourists from Canada, who were stuck in the French
Quarter, that were turned back at a checkpoint in the Convention Center
area. Shots were fired over their heads from the checkpoint. The
tourist ended up sleeping on the street in the French Quarter.
Geraldo is still on tonight, but he was just being himself last night.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "nJb" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:54:30 PM |
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wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I think Woden was saying he had respect for the anchor, not the network.
In any case, I haven't seen Shepard all day. I hope not because he's
being silenced. It doesn't matter. Faux's loss will be another networks
gain.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 09:54:20 PM |
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wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
It's Gretna, LA.
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
Gretna is about 60% white.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Also, I read of some tourists from Canada, who were stuck in the French
Quarter, that were turned back at a checkpoint in the Convention Center
area. Shots were fired over their heads from the checkpoint. The
tourist ended up sleeping on the street in the French Quarter.
Geraldo is still on tonight, but he was just being himself last night.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Let them walk out of here |
03 Sep 2005 10:06:30 PM |
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wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Mystery solved. The checkpoint was set up by Gretna. LA, police
packing shotguns. So this little town was keeping the people in the
Convention Center and the French Quarter.
'A group of about 200 Monteleone guests decided to try to walk out of
the city to the east, and got to the on-ramp at the Crescent Connection
bridge, where they were met by Gretna, La., police with shotguns. "They
told us the bridge was closed to foot traffic," Scheer said. "Some
locals had joined us and became extremely unruly, threatening to rush
the officers. They fired their shotguns into the air."'
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/93EB4BF112FE926C862570710012D2D2?OpenDocument
Also, I read of some tourists from Canada, who were stuck in the French
Quarter, that were turned back at a checkpoint in the Convention Center
area. Shots were fired over their heads from the checkpoint. The
tourist ended up sleeping on the street in the French Quarter.
Geraldo is still on tonight, but he was just being himself last night.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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03 Sep 2005 10:16:01 PM |
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wrote:
wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Mystery solved. The checkpoint was set up by Gretna. LA, police
packing shotguns. So this little town was keeping the people in the
Convention Center and the French Quarter.
'A group of about 200 Monteleone guests decided to try to walk out of
the city to the east, and got to the on-ramp at the Crescent Connection
bridge, where they were met by Gretna, La., police with shotguns. "They
told us the bridge was closed to foot traffic," Scheer said. "Some
locals had joined us and became extremely unruly, threatening to rush
the officers. They fired their shotguns into the air."'
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/93EB4BF112FE926C862570710012D2D2?OpenDocument
Well, of COURSE they're going to be "unruly." They haven't had food or
water for days, for cripessake!
I wonder how the Gretna police officers would be acting if they've gone
days without food and water and would have to live in their own filth,
blockaded from help.
It's sickening, and I blame each and every person that voted for that
***** Bush. You allowed this to happen. Everyone that dies in that
convention center, the blood is on your hands. I hope you're
satisified, because I'm thoroughly disgusted.
No blaming the lefties. No blaming Clinton. No blaming Air America
Radio. No blaming ANYONE but yourselves. Good luck with your
president. He's your problem.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 Sep 2005 10:33:02 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:RFtSe.12302$IT4.669@trnddc04:
tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:
tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at
the knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!"
It was shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-
i
n-N O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-
i
n-N O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has
increased tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off
the air the night after he pointed out that the people in the
Convention Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to
Greta (I think it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Mystery solved. The checkpoint was set up by Gretna. LA, police
packing shotguns. So this little town was keeping the people in the
Convention Center and the French Quarter.
'A group of about 200 Monteleone guests decided to try to walk out of
the city to the east, and got to the on-ramp at the Crescent
Connection bridge, where they were met by Gretna, La., police with
shotguns. "They told us the bridge was closed to foot traffic,"
Scheer said. "Some locals had joined us and became extremely unruly,
threatening to rush the officers. They fired their shotguns into the
air."'
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/st
ory/93EB4BF112FE926C862570710012D2D2?OpenDocument
Well, of COURSE they're going to be "unruly." They haven't had food
or water for days, for cripessake!
I wonder how the Gretna police officers would be acting if they've
gone days without food and water and would have to live in their own
filth, blockaded from help.
It's sickening, and I blame each and every person that voted for that
***** Bush. You allowed this to happen. Everyone that dies in that
convention center, the blood is on your hands. I hope you're
satisified, because I'm thoroughly disgusted.
No blaming the lefties. No blaming Clinton. No blaming Air America
Radio. No blaming ANYONE but yourselves. Good luck with your
president. He's your problem.
What in holy ***** did Bush have to do with the Gretna police?
You're off your fucking rocker.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Sep 2005 10:38:44 PM |
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In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a different
county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was blocking the exits
to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard has
been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his parish. It's
not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans parish is so out of
control that Jefferson is being pretty much forced to run the place "like
a foreign country" as Broussard put it on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though Broussard
*could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's just gotten *so
out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in large
numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the feds
didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as the storm
cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people flooding my
parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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03 Sep 2005 10:47:47 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a different
county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was blocking the exits
to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard has
been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his parish. It's
not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans parish is so out of
control that Jefferson is being pretty much forced to run the place "like
a foreign country" as Broussard put it on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though Broussard
*could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's just gotten *so
out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in large
numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the feds
didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as the storm
cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people flooding my
parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in Jefferson
parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food, water, a place
to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
There is a reason that these people are "panicking." You'd panic, too,
if you were in their position; which is not to say that you haven't been
through the mill, too. However, "we don't want them there" is not an
excuse.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Sep 2005 07:28:48 AM |
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In episode <D7uSe.851$Sx4.691@trnddc06>, DanielSan burst into the room and
exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard has
been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his parish.
It's not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans parish is so
out of control that Jefferson is being pretty much forced to run the
place "like a foreign country" as Broussard put it on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though Broussard
*could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's just gotten *so
out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in large
numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the feds
didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as the storm
cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people flooding my
parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in Jefferson
parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food, water, a place
to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
With what?
Okay, I know you folks outside don't know much about how this place is
laid out. Understand that Jefferson parish is not some distant, happy
place that survived untouched. Orleans is the central city but Jefferson
parish is equal in population and right up against it. The 17th Street
Canal that you're watching on CNN is between them. Jefferson is also the
parish *directly South of the lake. A lot of the water that's trying to
get to the Mississippi is/was pouring *through East Jefferson.
The West Bank held up fairly well but East Jefferson parish is devastated.
I was talking to people in line yesterday and apparently the big hospital
there is flat not operating. There is no water, no electricity, no sewage,
trees are still all over the roads. There are no hospitals running, no
doctors, no nurses, no food, no fuel. Bridges have not yet been inspected
for safety and many streets and neighborhoods are flooded.
Even the areas of the West Bank (and I talked to my roommate's home health
nurse yesterday, she's on the West Bank) that did "okay," people are
living off their emergency supplies. The ones that are able to get out
(then back in) are coming *here* to try to get food and water.
It may be "60% white" on the West Bank but we're not talking the well to
do sipping champaign and watching this all on TV. We're talking working
class, (lower) middle class types. A *lot of the nurses that work in my
roommate's doctors' offices and hospitals live over there. Not the
*doctors.
People walking into Jefferson will be faced with *having to loot stores or
even the survivors. Either that or they're coming to Jefferson to starve.
You heard about Nagin's speech. But you didn't hear about Broussard's
less, well, "eloquent" explosion the same day. He couldn't do *squat for
those people, he had nothing to give them. Even the Red Cross wouldn't
come in because they were afraid of the violence they were seeing on TV.
The only hope those people have are the relief efforts finally showing up.
They'll actually end up in worse shape if they wander into Jefferson.
Either that or they'll *have to loot or *have to steal from the few
residents that are there.
You tell me. If you have no running water, no stores to replenish your
stocks from, no electricity, no fuel, and your family is barely hanging on
as the parish tries to recover...
How much could *you give to some stranger wandering over a bridge into
your neighborhood?
There is a reason that these people are "panicking." You'd panic, too, if
you were in their position; which is not to say that you haven't been
through the mill, too. However, "we don't want them there" is not an
excuse.
It's not just "we don't want them here." It's nowhere near that.
It's "there's nothing here."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Let them walk out of here |
04 Sep 2005 07:57:41 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <D7uSe.851$Sx4.691@trnddc06>, DanielSan burst into the room and
exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard has
been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his parish.
It's not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans parish is so
out of control that Jefferson is being pretty much forced to run the
place "like a foreign country" as Broussard put it on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though Broussard
*could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's just gotten *so
out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in large
numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the feds
didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as the storm
cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people flooding my
parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in Jefferson
parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food, water, a place
to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
With what?
Okay, I know you folks outside don't know much about how this place is
laid out. Understand that Jefferson parish is not some distant, happy
place that survived untouched. Orleans is the central city but Jefferson
parish is equal in population and right up against it. The 17th Street
Canal that you're watching on CNN is between them. Jefferson is also the
parish *directly South of the lake. A lot of the water that's trying to
get to the Mississippi is/was pouring *through East Jefferson.
The West Bank held up fairly well but East Jefferson parish is devastated.
I was talking to people in line yesterday and apparently the big hospital
there is flat not operating. There is no water, no electricity, no sewage,
trees are still all over the roads. There are no hospitals running, no
doctors, no nurses, no food, no fuel. Bridges have not yet been inspected
for safety and many streets and neighborhoods are flooded.
Even the areas of the West Bank (and I talked to my roommate's home health
nurse yesterday, she's on the West Bank) that did "okay," people are
living off their emergency supplies. The ones that are able to get out
(then back in) are coming *here* to try to get food and water.
It may be "60% white" on the West Bank but we're not talking the well to
do sipping champaign and watching this all on TV. We're talking working
class, (lower) middle class types. A *lot of the nurses that work in my
roommate's doctors' offices and hospitals live over there. Not the
*doctors.
People walking into Jefferson will be faced with *having to loot stores or
even the survivors. Either that or they're coming to Jefferson to starve.
You heard about Nagin's speech. But you didn't hear about Broussard's
less, well, "eloquent" explosion the same day. He couldn't do *squat for
those people, he had nothing to give them. Even the Red Cross wouldn't
come in because they were afraid of the violence they were seeing on TV.
The only hope those people have are the relief efforts finally showing up.
They'll actually end up in worse shape if they wander into Jefferson.
Either that or they'll *have to loot or *have to steal from the few
residents that are there.
You tell me. If you have no running water, no stores to replenish your
stocks from, no electricity, no fuel, and your family is barely hanging on
as the parish tries to recover...
How much could *you give to some stranger wandering over a bridge into
your neighborhood?
There is a reason that these people are "panicking." You'd panic, too, if
you were in their position; which is not to say that you haven't been
through the mill, too. However, "we don't want them there" is not an
excuse.
It's not just "we don't want them here." It's nowhere near that.
It's "there's nothing here."
Shepard Smith was reporting Friday night looking over at Gretna from
the bridge on the New Oleans side of the shotgun-toting Gretna police
checkpoints. He said they had electricity over there. He could see
the lights I guess.
Also concerning the double-speak: the City Manager of Gretna said that
they were letting people in. You just contradicted him while claiming
that there was no double-speak.
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA
responsible for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be
every parish for itself.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
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In episode <1125838661.750619.66020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <D7uSe.851$Sx4.691@trnddc06>, DanielSan burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard
has been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his
parish. It's not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans
parish is so out of control that Jefferson is being pretty much
forced to run the place "like a foreign country" as Broussard put it
on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though
Broussard *could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's
just gotten *so out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in
large numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the
ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the
feds didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as
the storm cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people
flooding my parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in
Jefferson parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food,
water, a place to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
With what?
Okay, I know you folks outside don't know much about how this place is
laid out. Understand that Jefferson parish is not some distant, happy
place that survived untouched. Orleans is the central city but Jefferson
parish is equal in population and right up against it. The 17th Street
Canal that you're watching on CNN is between them. Jefferson is also the
parish *directly South of the lake. A lot of the water that's trying to
get to the Mississippi is/was pouring *through East Jefferson.
The West Bank held up fairly well but East Jefferson parish is
devastated. I was talking to people in line yesterday and apparently the
big hospital there is flat not operating. There is no water, no
electricity, no sewage, trees are still all over the roads. There are no
hospitals running, no doctors, no nurses, no food, no fuel. Bridges have
not yet been inspected for safety and many streets and neighborhoods are
flooded.
Even the areas of the West Bank (and I talked to my roommate's home
health nurse yesterday, she's on the West Bank) that did "okay," people
are living off their emergency supplies. The ones that are able to get
out (then back in) are coming *here* to try to get food and water.
It may be "60% white" on the West Bank but we're not talking the well to
do sipping champaign and watching this all on TV. We're talking working
class, (lower) middle class types. A *lot of the nurses that work in my
roommate's doctors' offices and hospitals live over there. Not the
*doctors.
People walking into Jefferson will be faced with *having to loot stores
or even the survivors. Either that or they're coming to Jefferson to
starve.
You heard about Nagin's speech. But you didn't hear about Broussard's
less, well, "eloquent" explosion the same day. He couldn't do *squat for
those people, he had nothing to give them. Even the Red Cross wouldn't
come in because they were afraid of the violence they were seeing on TV.
The only hope those people have are the relief efforts finally showing
up. They'll actually end up in worse shape if they wander into
Jefferson. Either that or they'll *have to loot or *have to steal from
the few residents that are there.
You tell me. If you have no running water, no stores to replenish your
stocks from, no electricity, no fuel, and your family is barely hanging
on as the parish tries to recover...
How much could *you give to some stranger wandering over a bridge into
your neighborhood?
There is a reason that these people are "panicking." You'd panic,
too, if you were in their position; which is not to say that you
haven't been through the mill, too. However, "we don't want them
there" is not an excuse.
It's not just "we don't want them here." It's nowhere near that.
It's "there's nothing here."
Shepard Smith was reporting Friday night looking over at Gretna from the
bridge on the New Oleans side of the shotgun-toting Gretna police
checkpoints. He said they had electricity over there. He could see the
lights I guess.
And in a few places power never went out but that had nothing to do with
human action. Just random quirks in the storm.
Also concerning the double-speak: the City Manager of Gretna said that
they were letting people in. You just contradicted him while claiming
that there was no double-speak.
I'm sure there are all kinds of apparent contradictions flying around. You
know that in the immediate aftermath, Jefferson parish officials were
having to communicate by sending messages to AM 870 to be broadcast over
the air? My land line phone and DSL working is one of the weirder flukes
in all this. There was almost total collapse of the communication system
during the storm.
If the city of Gretna has some resources and is letting some people in,
fine. But for the most part, the main relief effort is the *other
direction and people heading into Jefferson parish are walking *away from
it.
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA responsible
for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be every parish
for itself.
If relief had been staged so FEMA (et al) could move in the wake of the
storm, this would not be happening.
Far as what our governor could do, do you really think one of *the poorest
states in the union is just sitting on piles of hoarded cash or something?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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04 Sep 2005 08:57:26 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125838661.750619.66020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <D7uSe.851$Sx4.691@trnddc06>, DanielSan burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In episode <1125801468.408093.297660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadamsmar burst into the room and exclaimed:
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Gretna is in Jefferson parish on the West Bank. President Broussard
has been trying to keep the looting (etc) from spilling into his
parish. It's not "double speak," it's a serious problem. Orleans
parish is so out of control that Jefferson is being pretty much
forced to run the place "like a foreign country" as Broussard put it
on the radio.
It's not really anything against the people of Orleans (though
Broussard *could be a bigot for all I know) nearly so much as it's
just gotten *so out of hand, it's almost "every parish for itself."
Refugees from Orleans were heading into Jefferson, on foot but in
large numbers, and one of the big malls was looted and burned to the
ground.
I'm sorry but much as I feel for those people, as angry as I am the
feds didn't pre-stage the relief effort so they could go in soon as
the storm cleared, I do *not want droves of starving, panicked people
flooding my parish either.
It's harsh but that's the reality we're dealing with right now.
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in
Jefferson parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food,
water, a place to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
With what?
Okay, I know you folks outside don't know much about how this place is
laid out. Understand that Jefferson parish is not some distant, happy
place that survived untouched. Orleans is the central city but Jefferson
parish is equal in population and right up against it. The 17th Street
Canal that you're watching on CNN is between them. Jefferson is also the
parish *directly South of the lake. A lot of the water that's trying to
get to the Mississippi is/was pouring *through East Jefferson.
The West Bank held up fairly well but East Jefferson parish is
devastated. I was talking to people in line yesterday and apparently the
big hospital there is flat not operating. There is no water, no
electricity, no sewage, trees are still all over the roads. There are no
hospitals running, no doctors, no nurses, no food, no fuel. Bridges have
not yet been inspected for safety and many streets and neighborhoods are
flooded.
Even the areas of the West Bank (and I talked to my roommate's home
health nurse yesterday, she's on the West Bank) that did "okay," people
are living off their emergency supplies. The ones that are able to get
out (then back in) are coming *here* to try to get food and water.
It may be "60% white" on the West Bank but we're not talking the well to
do sipping champaign and watching this all on TV. We're talking working
class, (lower) middle class types. A *lot of the nurses that work in my
roommate's doctors' offices and hospitals live over there. Not the
*doctors.
People walking into Jefferson will be faced with *having to loot stores
or even the survivors. Either that or they're coming to Jefferson to
starve.
You heard about Nagin's speech. But you didn't hear about Broussard's
less, well, "eloquent" explosion the same day. He couldn't do *squat for
those people, he had nothing to give them. Even the Red Cross wouldn't
come in because they were afraid of the violence they were seeing on TV.
The only hope those people have are the relief efforts finally showing
up. They'll actually end up in worse shape if they wander into
Jefferson. Either that or they'll *have to loot or *have to steal from
the few residents that are there.
You tell me. If you have no running water, no stores to replenish your
stocks from, no electricity, no fuel, and your family is barely hanging
on as the parish tries to recover...
How much could *you give to some stranger wandering over a bridge into
your neighborhood?
There is a reason that these people are "panicking." You'd panic,
too, if you were in their position; which is not to say that you
haven't been through the mill, too. However, "we don't want them
there" is not an excuse.
It's not just "we don't want them here." It's nowhere near that.
It's "there's nothing here."
Shepard Smith was reporting Friday night looking over at Gretna from the
bridge on the New Oleans side of the shotgun-toting Gretna police
checkpoints. He said they had electricity over there. He could see the
lights I guess.
And in a few places power never went out but that had nothing to do with
human action. Just random quirks in the storm.
Also concerning the double-speak: the City Manager of Gretna said that
they were letting people in. You just contradicted him while claiming
that there was no double-speak.
I'm sure there are all kinds of apparent contradictions flying around. You
know that in the immediate aftermath, Jefferson parish officials were
having to communicate by sending messages to AM 870 to be broadcast over
the air? My land line phone and DSL working is one of the weirder flukes
in all this. There was almost total collapse of the communication system
during the storm.
If the city of Gretna has some resources and is letting some people in,
fine. But for the most part, the main relief effort is the *other
direction and people heading into Jefferson parish are walking *away from
it.
Other direction? Is it not true that the main expressway that remained
passible was though Gretna.
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA responsible
for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be every parish
for itself.
If relief had been staged so FEMA (et al) could move in the wake of the
storm, this would not be happening.
Far as what our governor could do, do you really think one of *the poorest
states in the union is just sitting on piles of hoarded cash or something?
Anyway, I think it is kind of interesting that you can find so little
on Google News about the role of the Gretna Police in creating the
situation at the Convention Center and in the French Quarter for anyone
without a car or provisions to wait a week to be rescued.
Everyone without a car was just piling up at the parish boundary
because the next parish over had set up an armed checkpoint. If this
was happening outside of the USA we would be talking calling the people
who ordered the creation of these checkpoints "warlords".
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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04 Sep 2005 08:35:41 AM |
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On 4 Sep 2005 05:57:41 -0700, wrote:
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA
responsible for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be
every parish for itself.
Spoken like yet another dumbass 'rat.
duke
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04 Sep 2005 09:02:07 AM |
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In episode <80ulh19158d4ojhd1q2298gikhtfvoluip@4ax.com>, duke burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On 4 Sep 2005 05:57:41 -0700, wrote:
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA responsible
for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be every parish for
itself.
Spoken like yet another dumbass 'rat.
How many of our refugees are at your house?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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04 Sep 2005 11:34:36 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 4 Sep 2005 05:57:41 -0700, wrote:
I think it is reasonable to hold Bush and the governer of LA
responsible for this. If they were doing their job, it would not be
every parish for itself.
Spoken like yet another dumbass 'rat.
Who's in charge of the government again...?
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04 Sep 2005 08:34:06 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:47:47 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in Jefferson
parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food, water, a place
to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
???? Somebody explain to this idiot that a hurricane doesn't stop at the river.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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04 Sep 2005 11:34:04 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:47:47 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
The first sensible thing I've heard. Still, though, it's not right to
allow the people to fester in their own filth in Orleans parish simply
because "we don't want them there." Personally, if I were in Jefferson
parish, I'd open my home to these people, give them food, water, a place
to take a bath, and get clean clothes...
???? Somebody explain to this idiot that a hurricane doesn't stop at the river.
I didn't say that, assmunch. However, Jefferson parish, while it was
damaged, too. has electricity... if Fox News is to be believed.
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04 Sep 2005 08:31:56 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 19:37:48 -0700, wrote:
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
The opposite direction to which all evacuees were told to move.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Also, I read of some tourists from Canada, who were stuck in the French
Quarter, that were turned back at a checkpoint in the Convention Center
area. Shots were fired over their heads from the checkpoint. The
tourist ended up sleeping on the street in the French Quarter.
Geraldo is still on tonight, but he was just being himself last night.
Yeah, let Shep take the heat and he arrives 3 days later to look like a hero.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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12 Sep 2005 07:50:32 AM |
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The story of the Gretna Police shotgun checkpoints finally made it into
the major media this weekend. The NYT did an article on Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/national/nationalspecial/10emt.html
Here is one of the more detailed first-person accounts. The Socialist
Worker might not be an objective source, but the basic story was
confirmed by other sources in the NYT article. This article was
apparently emailed around and blogged and finally got some major press
attention:
http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/556/556_04_RealHeroes.shtml
Here is a follow-up article by the the same first-persons, has some
good advice on how to prepare for a disaster:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Sept05/Bradshaw-Slonsky0911.htm
Do a google news search on "gretna police new orleans bridge" to see
more media coverage. Also, "This American Life" did a radio program
"After the Flood" on it:
http://www.thislife.org/
tadamsmar@yahoo.com wrote:
Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-N
O.mov
Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
Readjust you respect. Looks to me like they took Shepard Smith off the
air the night after he pointed out that the people in the Convention
Center were being kept from walking across the bridge to Greta (I think
it was Greta)
by a military or police checkpoint.
I wonder what was across that bridge? I middle-class white suburb, I
bet.
I heard the city manager of Greta engaging is some double-speak on TV
today, claiming that they were letting in refugees (letting them pass
through on busses, I think) and that the checkpoints were only for
safety. He said Greta is a different town from New Oleans in a
different county. I think somebody (county, state, federal?) was
blocking the exits to keep the refugees out of the next county.
Also, I read of some tourists from Canada, who were stuck in the French
Quarter, that were turned back at a checkpoint in the Convention Center
area. Shots were fired over their heads from the checkpoint. The
tourist ended up sleeping on the street in the French Quarter.
Geraldo is still on tonight, but he was just being himself last night.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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04 Sep 2005 06:49:18 PM |
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Woden wrote:
"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:w6WcneufSMAGSITeUSdV9g@ptd.net:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763
Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in
NOLA as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job
and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the
knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was
shocking.
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Yeah, I hate to admit, but my respect for a Fox News anchor has increased
tremedously after watching Shepard Smith this week.
During the Iraq invasion I thought Shepard was a hot dog. I saw him a
bit later on one of the talk shows, Leno or Letterman. Seeing him "out
of uniform" was an eye opener. He's a legitimately likable, stand up
guy. Fox could use more like him. All news outlets could use more like him.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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