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"quibbler" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:57:17 PM |
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Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
I wonder if others have suggestions for additional "mysteries of
faith"
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"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
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| User: "Veruyu" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 06:15:16 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Veruyu dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Veruyu dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then
shouted:
I know science and I know the scientific method and you're *not
a
scientist and you're not using the scientific method. You have,
a
priori, made a decision about the *facts in this case and
therefore
are
not open to any hypotheses which call into question your most
dearly-held position(s).
What facts?
You're a big boy. You can run up-thread and find things you
deleted,
right?
Religion is based on faith, not fact.
Prove to me you have an open mind in this respect or any
evidence I
could present would be a waste of my time and the usenet
bandwidth.
Don't bother, we know you don't have any.
Probably none which you are capable of dealing with objectively.
<yawn>
Indeed.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 12:03:53 AM |
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Veruyu wrote:
Are you willing to examine it with the good "scientific" attitude that
I expect you claim to have? Willing to be objective?
Good "scientists" approach evidence with an open mind. Can you have an
open mind about evidence claiming to prove that Jesus Christ was the
son of God, died on the cross and rose from the dead?
If you can't convince me that you can be objective, why should I waste
bandwidth and my time presenting any evidence?
Speaking for a *lot* of us we are absolutely willing and eager.
Let's start by getting your peer reviewed literature which falsifies "The
Jesus Puzzle."
Maybe not.
Maybe first we should find out what kind of a christian you are.
Trinitarian?
Did god create his son or did the son co-exist with the father for all
eternity?
By faith or works?
Can non-christians go to heaven?
If yes, If they have been exposed to christianity?
Children?
Note that using the bible to support your arguments has less validity than
using "Gone with the Wind" to support the existence of Rett and Scarlet.
I for one would be willing to stipulate that there is a god for the purpose
of this "scientific" discussion for at least as long as you stay with
objective evidence.
Note that your opinion is not evidence.
Please, please, please don't even bother with Josephus. If you wish to know
why practice what you preach and see why we don't want this brought up
again - and again and again.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 05:38:53 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:45:28 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven) is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you from
killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on the 3rd day
walked out of his tomb.
A contemporary eyewitness report please. Two eyewitness reports would
be better. Produce three contemporary eyewitness reports and a I might
start getting suspicious it actually happened. It was supposed to be
the most important event in human history you might have thought
somebody who was there might have thought it worth recording for
prosperity.
ps how many of the supposedly raptured 5000 (the ones that got fed)
became Christian and renounced being a Jew? How many recorded this
clearly important event. (leastways according to a later writer who
was not there). Did all those prostitutes that Christ visit also
renounce jewry and become Christians? For that matter how many
of his 12 disciples renounced jewry and become baptised as Christians?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 06:02:08 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:38:53 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on the 3rd day
walked out of his tomb.
A contemporary eyewitness report please.
500+ of his disciples walked and talked and ate and drank with him for the next
40 days. They said so.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
25 Apr 2005 03:45:59 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:38:53 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on the 3rd day
walked out of his tomb.
A contemporary eyewitness report please.
500+ of his disciples walked and talked and ate and drank with him for the next
40 days. They said so.
Errrrrrrrrl! You stupid *****. You making up ***** that's not in the Bible
again? None of these 500+ people are identified as disciples by Paul.
None of them were identified as having walked/talked/eaten/drank with
Jesus. In fact, none of them "said so," it's just the hyperbolic claim
of Paul of Tarsus.
Errrrrrrrrl! You're my favorite net loony.
WMD
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 11:12:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven) is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you from
killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on the 3rd day
walked out of his tomb.
Never happended.
There you have it.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
12 Apr 2005 05:25:18 PM |
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On 12 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:17 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
He's sitting at the right hand of the Father. You forgot the third
stanza - "Christ will come again".
Must be the steroids.
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
Then I take it you agree that religious people are stupid and gullible.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Now duke, you've just changed your definition of hell again. Once you
told me it was just being alone.
You do realize, of
course, that is the option you have chosen and are currently working
towards.
*****. The religious originally told us we came from a mound of clay
in the hand of a creator. We've discovered otherwise. If we can't trust
the religious to tell us where we came from, how can we trust them to
tell us where we're going?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Apr 2005 06:39:13 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:25:18 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
Then I take it you agree that religious people are stupid and gullible.
Why? We get the love and glory. You get the burn spots on your cheeks for all
eternity, and then it gets worst.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Now duke, you've just changed your definition of hell again. Once you
told me it was just being alone.
Nobody has ever come back to scream and scream and scream in your ears to change
your mind. You have to go there first to find out for sure.
You do realize, of
course, that is the option you have chosen and are currently working
towards.
*****. The religious originally told us we came from a mound of clay
in the hand of a creator. We've discovered otherwise. If we can't trust
the religious to tell us where we came from, how can we trust them to
tell us where we're going?
We don't, God does.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 07:48:44 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:25:18 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
Then I take it you agree that religious people are stupid and
gullible.
Why? We get the love and glory. You get the burn spots on your
cheeks for all eternity, and then it gets worst.
Lying duke snips the source of my retort. Typical. But just for laughs,
let's look at the "love and glory" of eternal life. Most christians I've
spoken to tell me that your time in heaven is spent singing praise to
god. I don't know about you, but after the 1500th chorus of "Holy holy
holy" I would go postal. And supposing you can do other stuff, try to
imagine how long it would take to get bored with one thing you can do. I
mean bored to tears, suicidally "I'm going to kill myself if I have to do
this again" bored. A few thousand years maybe? Multiply that by the
number of things you can possibly do. Is your result a finite number?
Of course it is. Which means after a finite number of years you will
become suicidally bored with *everything* there is to do. But the
problem is, your life is eternal, and you are immortal. You can't snuff
it, so you are doomed to spend the rest of eternity (which is still
infinity years) bored out of your skull.
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing. At
least hell would be a lot more interesting.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Now duke, you've just changed your definition of hell again. Once you
told me it was just being alone.
Nobody has ever come back to scream and scream and scream in your ears
to change your mind. You have to go there first to find out for
sure.
Nobody has come back to talk to you and confirm your beliefs either. Why
should I assume you are correct?
You do realize, of
course, that is the option you have chosen and are currently working
towards.
*****. The religious originally told us we came from a mound of
clay in the hand of a creator. We've discovered otherwise. If we
can't trust the religious to tell us where we came from, how can we
trust them to tell us where we're going?
We don't, God does.
Logic has no meaning to you, does it?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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14 Apr 2005 05:55:04 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:48:44 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Then I take it you agree that religious people are stupid and
gullible.
Why? We get the love and glory. You get the burn spots on your
cheeks for all eternity, and then it gets worst.
Lying duke snips the source of my retort.
I pretty much consider myself dead on.
Typical. But just for laughs,
let's look at the "love and glory" of eternal life. Most christians I've
spoken to tell me that your time in heaven is spent singing praise to
god.
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to report.
However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and love of God.
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing. At
least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of God.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 07:51:14 PM |
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On 14 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:48:44 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Then I take it you agree that religious people are stupid and
gullible.
Why? We get the love and glory. You get the burn spots on your
cheeks for all eternity, and then it gets worst.
Lying duke snips the source of my retort.
I pretty much consider myself dead on.
Typical. But just for laughs,
let's look at the "love and glory" of eternal life. Most christians
I've spoken to tell me that your time in heaven is spent singing
praise to god.
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to
report. However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and
love of God.
What if they're just saying that? What if it's an eternity of hard labor
in a chain gang? Nobody really knows, do they?
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing.
At least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of
God.
Yeah, yeah, and little white flames licking your *****. *****.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 01:05:15 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:51:14 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to
report. However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and
love of God.
What if they're just saying that? What if it's an eternity of hard labor
in a chain gang? Nobody really knows, do they?
They who?
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing.
At least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of
God.
Yeah, yeah, and little white flames licking your *****. *****.
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 08:40:27 PM |
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On 15 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:51:14 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to
report. However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and
love of God.
What if they're just saying that? What if it's an eternity of hard
labor in a chain gang? Nobody really knows, do they?
They who?
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing.
At least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of
God.
Yeah, yeah, and little white flames licking your *****. *****.
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
16 Apr 2005 12:19:57 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9639BE3163911vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 15 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:51:14 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to
report. However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and
love of God.
What if they're just saying that? What if it's an eternity of hard
labor in a chain gang? Nobody really knows, do they?
They who?
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing.
At least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of
God.
Yeah, yeah, and little white flames licking your *****. *****.
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
They're too busy going insane.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
16 Apr 2005 08:26:02 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:19:57 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9639BE3163911vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 15 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:51:14 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Nobody really knows, because no one has gone there and come back to
report. However, it's a sure bet that it is an eternity of joy and
love of God.
What if they're just saying that? What if it's an eternity of hard
labor in a chain gang? Nobody really knows, do they?
They who?
Most people haven't given much thought to this "eternal life" thing.
At least hell would be a lot more interesting.
Remember, hell is eternal also. And the absence of joy and love of
God.
Yeah, yeah, and little white flames licking your *****. *****.
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
They're too busy going insane.
Going?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
16 Apr 2005 07:39:36 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:19:57 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
They're too busy going insane.
Hmmm, malkin's leather teddy must need washing.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
16 Apr 2005 09:23:45 PM |
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On 16 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:19:57 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Hey, leave your asbestos teddy behind. It won't help you.
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to
the fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more
credibility if you could get together on the lies to make them at
least consistant.
They're too busy going insane.
Hmmm, malkin's leather teddy must need washing.
You'd wash leather???
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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16 Apr 2005 07:38:07 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:40:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
Jesus made extensive use of parables in his 3 year ministry.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
17 Apr 2005 04:51:28 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:38:07 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:40:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
Jesus made extensive use of parables in his 3 year ministry.
Yes Paul was very inventive.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
17 Apr 2005 01:05:13 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:40:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility if
you could get together on the lies to make them at least consistant.
Jesus made extensive use of parables in his 3 year ministry.
Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the
kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done
in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear,
and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their
sins should be forgiven them.
Nice guy...
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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16 Apr 2005 11:19:31 AM |
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on 16 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:40:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Hmmm, there you go again. From absense of joy and love of god to the
fire pit. You know, you guys would establish a lot more credibility
if you could get together on the lies to make them at least
consistant.
Jesus made extensive use of parables in his 3 year ministry.
Have you made a trip to the canned fish aisle today?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Peter James" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 05:12:12 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:16:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
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As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****. You do realize, of course, that is the
option you have chosen and are currently working towards.
duke
You have to hand it to the Catholics for sheer inventive abilities and
bare faced lies. Their definition of hell has absolutely no Old or
New Testament authority.
Look at the states of after-life invented by Catholism. Purgatory,
Limbo and Hell. The first is never mentioned in the OT or NT so where
the ***** did this come from. Limbo, the state that deceased,
unbaptised infants go to is a complete and utter fabrication, and the
only mentions of hell that I can find in the OT is a statement
somewhere, can't find it offhand, where God threatens to void a person
or persons out of his fundament. In the NT Jesus Christ refers to
"the outer darkness". So, where is the divine authority for these
domains?
For those who insist on my research on this question, I used the
search engine at http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
It came up with 0 hits on Hell, Purgatory and Limbo, and 3 hits on
outerdarkness. Namely NT, Mathew Chapter 8, ch 22 and ch 25.
If you want a laugh a minute have a look the the Papists web site on
hell, should raise a few laughs.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Apr 2005 06:44:25 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:12:12 +0100, Peter James <pfjames@clara.co.uk> wrote:
You have to hand it to the Catholics for sheer inventive abilities and
bare faced lies. Their definition of hell has absolutely no Old or
New Testament authority.
Look at the states of after-life invented by Catholism. Purgatory,
Limbo and Hell. The first is never mentioned in the OT or NT so where
the ***** did this come from. Limbo, the state that deceased,
unbaptised infants go to is a complete and utter fabrication, and the
only mentions of hell that I can find in the OT is a statement
somewhere, can't find it offhand, where God threatens to void a person
or persons out of his fundament. In the NT Jesus Christ refers to
"the outer darkness". So, where is the divine authority for these
domains?
God knows.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 08:25:20 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:12:12 +0100, Peter James <pfjames@clara.co.uk>
wrote:
You have to hand it to the Catholics for sheer inventive abilities and
bare faced lies. Their definition of hell has absolutely no Old or
New Testament authority.
Look at the states of after-life invented by Catholism. Purgatory,
Limbo and Hell. The first is never mentioned in the OT or NT so where
the ***** did this come from. Limbo, the state that deceased,
unbaptised infants go to is a complete and utter fabrication, and the
only mentions of hell that I can find in the OT is a statement
somewhere, can't find it offhand, where God threatens to void a person
or persons out of his fundament. In the NT Jesus Christ refers to
"the outer darkness". So, where is the divine authority for these
domains?
God knows.
Wrong, the Catholics made the whole fucking thing up. They keep changing
rules! It's like it's a sin to eat meat on Friday. Except for the people
in Philadelphia, they were #1 in the scrap iron drive. It's called Special
Dispensation, and it seems they give it away as a prize. If your parrish
gave the most money to the Bishop's relief fund - hamburgers on Friday!!
(Quotes from George Carlin, world's funniest atheist.)
What about the Mother Theresa debaucle? The leaders decided it was OK to
overrule god's law and make her a Saint a few weeks after she died. If
these rules can be broken this easily, so can others. Like the use of
condoms to prevent overpopulation and venereal disease.
Special Dispensation. It demonstrates the imperfect human qualities of the
laws of god.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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14 Apr 2005 05:58:59 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:25:20 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
What about the Mother Theresa debaucle? The leaders decided it was OK to
overrule god's law and make her a Saint a few weeks after she died.
Where does God's law say they couldn't do that?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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15 Apr 2005 08:35:14 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:58:59 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:25:20 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
What about the Mother Theresa debaucle? The leaders decided it was OK to
overrule god's law and make her a Saint a few weeks after she died.
Where does God's law say they couldn't do that?
Duke's right, this is just the catholics way of honouring somebody in
their own light worthy of honour. They can make the rules as they go,
Isn't there an intermediate honour that they hold first for while
"Most venerated" or summat.
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 01:14:56 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:35:14 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Duke's right, this is just the catholics way of honouring somebody in
their own light worthy of honour. They can make the rules as they go,
Uh, no we can't. But God can tell us what to do. That is what Mat 16 says
about the Holy Father, you know.
Matthew 16:17 (New International Version)
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not
revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
Isn't there an intermediate honour that they hold first for while
"Most venerated" or summat.
Nope.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
16 Apr 2005 12:34:23 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:14:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:35:14 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Duke's right, this is just the catholics way of honouring somebody in
their own light worthy of honour. They can make the rules as they go,
Uh, no we can't. But God can tell us what to do.
Can but does not?
That is what Mat 16 says
about the Holy Father, you know.
Matthew 16:17 (New International Version)
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not
revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
Sorry don't see the connection between that and calling somebody
Saint.
Isn't there an intermediate honour that they hold first for while
"Most venerated" or summat.
Nope.
Oh. I was under the impression that woman Teresa (the one that caused
so much misery in India) was one before she got made a Saint.
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 04:59:20 PM |
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on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:35:14 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Duke's right, this is just the catholics way of honouring somebody in
their own light worthy of honour. They can make the rules as they go,
Uh, no we can't. But God can tell us what to do. That is what Mat 16
says about the Holy Father, you know.
God doesn't tell us anything. The church makes these decisions, claiming
that god told them what to do. Have you ever noticed that the things god
tells them to do always correspond with what they wish to do? They
rationalize it (as you do) with an appeal to authority.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 11:54:18 AM |
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on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:58:59 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:25:20 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
What about the Mother Theresa debaucle? The leaders decided it was
OK to overrule god's law and make her a Saint a few weeks after she
died.
Where does God's law say they couldn't do that?
Duke's right, this is just the catholics way of honouring somebody in
their own light worthy of honour. They can make the rules as they go,
Isn't there an intermediate honour that they hold first for while
"Most venerated" or summat.
It seems silly to me that (if there is a heaven) humans can control the
hierarchy there.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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