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"quibbler" |
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12 Apr 2005 09:57:17 PM |
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Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
I wonder if others have suggestions for additional "mysteries of
faith"
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"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 11:26:19 AM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass
and a rosary as part of the funeral of a relative.
I found many elements of the mass to be
laughably absurd.
For me it was the incense. It struck me as archaic,
a throwback to ancient rituals.... which, of course,
it is.
It doesn't appear to have any biblical basis either,
at least not for Christians.
I must say though, your gripe comes across as
more than a bit petty.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 06:42:44 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cc5f201a697353f989686@aioe.cjb.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
I wonder if others have suggestions for additional "mysteries of
faith"
You missed it, man! You should have been around back when the mass was
in Latin. Nor only was there singing and chanting, but it was in a
language that almost no one understands today.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 01:05:48 PM |
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johac wrote:
You missed it, man! You should have been around back when the mass was
in Latin. Nor only was there singing and chanting, but it was in a
language that almost no one understands today.
High Church Episcopalian is pretty fun, if you like the smells and bells and
velvet gowns. Just watch out for the guy swinging the smoking purse!
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 05:49:47 AM |
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In article <425D192C.C7BCF797@serv.net>,
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
You missed it, man! You should have been around back when the mass was
in Latin. Nor only was there singing and chanting, but it was in a
language that almost no one understands today.
High Church Episcopalian is pretty fun, if you like the smells and bells and
velvet gowns. Just watch out for the guy swinging the smoking purse!
The RCC uses incense too and they also dress in fancy gowns. Probably
where the Episcopalians and C of E got the idea.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:43:52 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:17 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
I wonder if others have suggestions for additional "mysteries of
faith"
That comes from the parting of the arse cheeks and the 'holy spurt'
injection.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
12 Apr 2005 10:16:10 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:17 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
He's sitting at the right hand of the Father. You forgot the third stanza -
"Christ will come again".
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****. You do realize, of course, that is the
option you have chosen and are currently working towards.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 12:01:21 AM |
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As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****. You do realize, of course, that
is the
option you have chosen and are currently working towards.
duke
I bet that gets you excited thinking about it
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 12:15:38 AM |
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In article <A12dnUSzSvPI_MHfUSdV9g@ptd.net> "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> writes:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****. You do realize, of course, that
is the
option you have chosen and are currently working towards.
duke
I bet that gets you excited thinking about it
But it does give you some idea of the caliber of Duke's god.
If a human father were discovered keeping his children
locked in the basement, torturing them day and night --
but taking great pains never to go quite over the line,
never to inflict enough punishment to kill them, just
keeping them in a fine state of agony all the clock
round -- and all this because this father had become SO
miffed at those of his little boys and his little girls
who had rejected him ... well, can you imagine what
the media would make of him? Can you imagine the outraged
letters and editorials? Can you imagine the Christians
on this group, the posts they'd write -- shouting that
it was the corrupting effect of the secular humanists
which led to a society so immoral that it could spawn
such an inhuman monster? Can you imagine what the
courts would impose, if somehow this fiend escaped
lynching before the police could take him in?
And yet this is Duke's god...
-- cary
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| User: "dangdangdoodle2" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
12 Apr 2005 11:34:53 PM |
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In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames
of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****. You do realize, of course, that is
the
option you have chosen and are currently working towards.
Are you saying you stuck your hand up the dead pope's skirt to feel his
***** and you are sure he would feel pain if he was placed on a BBQ.
You see how ridiculous your statement is? He cannot feel pain because he
is DEAD, so all the fear of going to hell is unnecessary.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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the dang
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 03:06:47 PM |
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In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:17 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was recently forced to endure a catholic mass and a rosary as part
of the funeral of a relative. I found many elements of the mass to
be laughably absurd. One of the parts I found most hilarious was the
point where the priest has to "sing" the mysterium fidei. I put the
word *sing* in quotes for a good reason, because most priests *****
it up pretty horribly. Anyway, for non-catholics, the sacred little
raindance goes something like this.
"Let us proclaim the mystery of faith...
Christ has Died.
Christ is Risen.
Where the ***** is he?"
He's sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Naturally, you have no credible evidence for any of that.
You forgot the third stanza -
No, I substituted an appropriate stanza of my own. The claim that
he will "come again" does not answer the question of where he is
now.
"Christ will come again".
That's a claim which has gone unfulfilled.
OK, they don't sing that last line. But they oughta, because it's
one of the big mysteries surrounding their so-called "faith".
Perhaps the biggest all-time "mystery of faith" is why are people
stupid and gullible enough to believe religious *****.
Easy - an eternity sharing in the love and glory of God.
Oh, that's why they're gullible enough to believe religious
*****. They want the presents, so they continue to profess faith
in santa claus.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Sorry to interrupt your homoerotic, sado-masochistic fantasy, but
your ridiculous ad baculum threats don't bother me in the slightest.
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 11:04:39 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:06:47 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
He's sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Naturally, you have no credible evidence for any of that.
I have no credible evidence that you weren't hatched.
"Christ will come again".
That's a claim which has gone unfulfilled.
Nope - only unfilled if overdue.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Sorry to interrupt your homoerotic, sado-masochistic fantasy, but
your ridiculous ad baculum threats don't bother me in the slightest.
Ok, it's your *****. And don't forget, it is for all eternity.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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15 Apr 2005 01:37:47 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:04:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:06:47 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
He's sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Naturally, you have no credible evidence for any of that.
I have no credible evidence that you weren't hatched.
"Christ will come again".
That's a claim which has gone unfulfilled.
Nope - only unfilled if overdue.
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Sorry to interrupt your homoerotic, sado-masochistic fantasy, but
your ridiculous ad baculum threats don't bother me in the slightest.
Ok, it's your *****. And don't forget, it is for all eternity.
Still perched on a shoulder?
Pieces of eight
Pieces of eight
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:18:01 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:37:47 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Ok, it's your *****. And don't forget, it is for all eternity.
Still perched on a shoulder?
With quib, it's real easy.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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25 Apr 2005 08:47:23 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:06:47 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Sorry to interrupt your homoerotic, sado-masochistic fantasy, but
your ridiculous ad baculum threats don't bother me in the slightest.
Ok, it's your *****. And don't forget, it is for all eternity.
Errrrrrrrl! You stupid *****. You're obsessing entirely too much on
white-hot tips of flames on asses. You're a dirty old man! Errrrrrrrrrrrrl!
WMD
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of *****."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
13 Apr 2005 11:08:14 PM |
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In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven) is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you from
killing them.
-Frank
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fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Apr 2005 11:45:28 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the flames of
hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven) is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you from
killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on the 3rd day
walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 01:27:40 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven) is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you
from killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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14 Apr 2005 10:59:56 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:40 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Apr 2005 12:52:27 AM |
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On 14 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:40 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Dead men just tend to lie there dead.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:16:43 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:52:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Dead men just tend to lie there dead.
Not if God says "get up".
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:02:37 PM |
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on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:52:27 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Dead men just tend to lie there dead.
Not if God says "get up".
Hahahahaha! The things you claim and assert. As I just said in another
thread, god only seems to tell us what we want or need to hear. Like "Get
up", to Jesus. If Jesus did not get up, there would have been no
Christianity. Therefore, it is very important that god told him to do this
- it is what you needed him to say.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 12:19:05 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:27:40 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Gosh Earl, we believe every thing you tell us and you told us so just a few
posts earlier.
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:16:14 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:19:05 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Gosh Earl, we believe every thing you tell us and you told us so just a few
posts earlier.
I certainly didn't tell you he wasn't dead.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:08:26 PM |
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on 15 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:19:05 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
He must not have been dead, then.
How so?
Gosh Earl, we believe every thing you tell us and you told us so just
a few posts earlier.
I certainly didn't tell you he wasn't dead.
Then I propose two other possibilities:
1. The corpse was stolen and buried elsewhere.
2. The story was made up to facilitate control of large populations.
The corpse did not get up and walk away. Corpses do not do this. No
corpse has ever done this. It would require a magical miracle, which
delves into the fantasy world of the supernatural.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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14 Apr 2005 01:38:30 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of
the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven)
is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you
from killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and
on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
Quite a mystery, huh?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Apr 2005 12:39:49 PM |
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"Veruyu" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in
news:1113442709.950209.96020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of
the flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven)
is an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like
you from killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and
on the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
Quite a mystery, huh?
Not really. By all accounts he was taken down from the cross long before
he could have been expected to die from the crucifixion.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 03:02:26 AM |
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"Veruyu" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1113442709.950209.96020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 13 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:08:14 -0700, Frank J Warner
<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote:
In article <atho515m8s8cgi7ruu335495q76d5u4du6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
As opposed, of course, to an eternity with the white hot tips of
the
flames of hell tickling at the cheeks of your *****.
Duke, hell (along with its equally nonexistent counterpart, heaven)
is
an invention of 10th century priests to keep stupid fucks like you
from killing them.
Could be, but not likely. 2000 years ago, a man was murdered and
on
the 3rd day walked out of his tomb.
There you have it.
He must not have been dead, then.
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
Quite a mystery, huh?
The mystery is why anyone would believe such a dumb story.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
14 Apr 2005 02:57:01 PM |
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In article <1113442709.950209.96020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rcman777@excite.com says...
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
You have no credible evidence of that. The state of medicine at the
time could have easily mistaken a coma for death. At best you can
say that he *might* have been dead. That's hardly enough to justify
2000 years of hysterical conniptions by boneheaded believers.
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
There is no good evidence that he "left the tomb". He may have
never been put in the tomb to begin with. The fact is that Romans
usually didn't allow crucified criminals to be buried in a proper
tomb. That was part of the punishment. Secondly, even if the body
made its way to the tomb, it could have been easily stolen. Guards
were only allegedly posted there after a considerable delay. By the
gospel accounts these guards were less than competent and snoozed on
the job, even though this sort of offense would be punishable by
death for roman soldiers. That makes the story more and more
dubious. The fact that the gospels say some people didn't even
recognize jesus when they "saw" him makes the account more doubtful
still.
Quite a mystery, huh?
No, actually, that was not the mystery. The mystery, as I pointed
out is "where the ***** is he?" He promised to return "soon". Yet
almost 2000 years have passed and he's still absent without leave.
Wuzzup wit dat?
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
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| User: "Veruyu" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 10:49:33 AM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <1113442709.950209.96020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rcman777@excite.com says...
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
You have no credible evidence of that.
How do you know that? You have failed to convince me that you have an
open enough mind on this issue to be able to judge credible evidence.
The state of medicine at the
time could have easily mistaken a coma for death. At best you can
say that he *might* have been dead. That's hardly enough to justify
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
There is no good evidence that he "left the tomb".
Have you heard all the evidence? Have you already made up your mind?
Do you honestly believe it was possible in the world you live in for
Jesus to have been the son of God, to have died on the cross and then
to have risen from the dead?
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.... |
15 Apr 2005 04:16:32 PM |
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In article <1113562172.986419.36640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
rcman777@excite.com says...
quibbler wrote:
In article <1113442709.950209.96020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rcman777@excite.com says...
When He came down from the cross - yes, He was dead.
You have no credible evidence of that.
How do you know that?
You're the one making the claim, fool. You're the one that needs to
convince people that you can back up your extraordinary assertion
about some event that supposedly happened 2000 years ago, as
reported by highly biased and superstitious followers of some Jewish
mystery cult.
You have failed to convince me that you have an
open enough mind
No, you've failed to produce evidence. Instead, you demand people
squint real hard at your lack of evidence and call this type of
self-deception "an open enough mind". Why is your evidence so
substandard that it can't convince even people who don't want to
believe. Why is your god such an incompetent that he can't produce
more unequivocal proof of his actions?
on this issue to be able to judge credible evidence.
I would suspect that your own judgment is far inferior to my own and
most other rational people, since you demand that people first
mentally massage the "evidence", rather than merely letting the
strength and robustness of the data speak for itself.
The state of medicine at the
time could have easily mistaken a coma for death. At best you can
say that he *might* have been dead. That's hardly enough to justify
When He left the tomb - no, He wasn't.
There is no good evidence that he "left the tomb".
Have you heard all the evidence?
I've read the extant gospel and biblical accounts. I know that
there was an easy opportunity for Joseph of Arimathea, according to
the story to play silly buggers with the body. To wit:
Mark 15:46, "So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body,
wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock."
He could have easily substituted the body, or put nothing in there
at all, since it says, "Then he rolled a stone against the entrance
of the tomb." Particularly since the body was wrapped in a shroud,
it could have been anyone, or even just a sack dirt and stones made
to roughly resemble a body.
Have you already made up your mind?
Based upon the gospel accounts I have provisionally concluded that
they are insufficient to guarantee that Jesus was dead or that his
body was actually placed in the tomb as described. It would have
been far too easy for his very biased and partial followers to have
faked things.
Do you honestly believe it was possible in the world you live in for
Jesus to have been the son of God,
I don't believe that the concept of a "son of God" makes much sense.
I find it unlikely that the DNA the omnipotent creator of the
universe would combine with that of a human female. If there were a
god, which I am not convinced of either, it is doubtful that it
would be so anthropomorphic.
to have died on the cross
There was absolutely no point to dying on the cross. It makes no
sense to "die" for the "sins" of others. My death has nothing to do
with the sins of my neighbors. I certainly cannot die for sins that
haven't even been committed yet and neither could the hypothetical
jesus. Why would god die for a few days so that he could change
some rules that he allegedly made himself anyway?
and then
to have risen from the dead?
It depends upon what you mean by life and death. From a materialist
perspective, life and death are just specific configurations of
physical and chemical reactions. It's often theists and
spiritualists who maintain that there is more to life and that there
are spooky things like souls. From the latter perspective, it would
not be possible for Jesus to "die", because it's the soul that's
supposed to be alive. If your god is all powerful then he certainly
didn't need jesus to die on a cross in order to show that he was all
powerful. There have literally been tens of billions of people who
have died throughout history and he could have availed himself of
any of those opportunities. Sufficiently advanced technology could
put each atom of our bodies back into exactly the same configuration
as we had before we died. But this would not necessarily have any
spiritual implications. If there is really a god, then resurrection
should not be nearly as amazing and surprising as xians make it out
to be. OTOH, if there is not a god then resurrection would seem
less probable and I'm sure that charlatans and miracle peddlers
would trade on such things.
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
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