Religions > Atheism > Letter to the Editor: Love God or leave America, professors
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"Jason Spaceman" |
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14 Dec 2004 05:28:02 PM |
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Letter to the Editor: Love God or leave America, professors |
I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
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The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them — America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. — wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/letters/52516/
J. Spaceman
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14 Dec 2004 06:25:33 PM |
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
But don't let a little bit of factual stuff get in the way of ignorance.
Alan Jeffery - not directing it at Jason.
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
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15 Dec 2004 06:23:26 AM |
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Ian
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15 Dec 2004 02:10:48 PM |
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has the vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in 1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
Ian
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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15 Dec 2004 06:00:11 PM |
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But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Didn't you leave a word out?
Chris
Alan Jeffery
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15 Dec 2004 07:19:05 PM |
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But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
^
<hangs head in shame>
"all"?
Alan Jeffery
Didn't you leave a word out?
Chris
Alan Jeffery
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15 Dec 2004 10:06:41 PM |
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Alan Jeffery <observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
"Chris Thompson" <rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alan Jeffery" <observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in
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But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
^
<hangs head in shame>
"all"?
Alan Jeffery
Didn't you leave a word out?
<hangs head in deeper shame>
That wasn't the word *I* thought of...
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web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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16 Dec 2004 12:31:42 AM |
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In article <1gow7tw.oa40i4189a3qmN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Alan Jeffery <observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
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But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
^
<hangs head in shame>
"all"?
Alan Jeffery
Didn't you leave a word out?
<hangs head in deeper shame>
That wasn't the word *I* thought of...
That "fine".
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman's_suffrage
Ian
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
Ian
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Alan Jeffery
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of
"intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy" in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nevertheless, a bunch of ignorant 'mericans gave women the right to vote a
full 24 years before NZ did. Incidentally, Wyoming was admitted to the union
in 1890. I believe that Switzerland did not grant women's sufferage until
about 1971 or so. Needless to say (though I will anyway), there are numerous
places around the world that still don't. But, IIANM, Wyoming was the first
place anywhere to do so.
I'm curious, were the Maori granted the RTV in 1893?
Alan Jeffery
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
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parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously
protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of
"intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the
God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored
the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. -
wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the
York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to
the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is, where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet
Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy"
in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has
the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the
vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nevertheless, a bunch of ignorant 'mericans gave women the right to vote a
full 24 years before NZ did. Incidentally, Wyoming was admitted to the
union
in 1890.
Yep, knew that too. But the Union did not allow women the vote at that time.
BTW - I didn't *say* you were ignorant 'mericans.
I believe that Switzerland did not grant women's sufferage until
about 1971 or so. Needless to say (though I will anyway), there are
numerous
places around the world that still don't. But, IIANM, Wyoming was the
first
place anywhere to do so.
I'm curious, were the Maori granted the RTV in 1893?
Nope, 1865. If they were also landholders. Then every male circa 1878.
Actually, based purely on the landholding right to vote, more Maori could
vote, earlier, than most Pakeha (whites). Which actually helps to explain
the granting of universal male suffrage.
Alan Jeffery
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing
a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously
protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of
"intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the
God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired
by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's
compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored
the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. -
wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets
a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the
York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to
the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is,
where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet
Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real democracy"
in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has
the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here
in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the
vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nevertheless, a bunch of ignorant 'mericans gave women the right to vote
a
full 24 years before NZ did. Incidentally, Wyoming was admitted to the
union
in 1890.
Yep, knew that too. But the Union did not allow women the vote at that
time.
BTW - I didn't *say* you were ignorant 'mericans.
I believe that Switzerland did not grant women's sufferage until
about 1971 or so. Needless to say (though I will anyway), there are
numerous
places around the world that still don't. But, IIANM, Wyoming was the
first
place anywhere to do so.
I'm curious, were the Maori granted the RTV in 1893?
Nope, 1865. If they were also landholders. Then every male circa 1878.
Actually, based purely on the landholding right to vote, more Maori could
vote, earlier, than most Pakeha (whites). Which actually helps to explain
the granting of universal male suffrage.
Alan Jeffery
Way cool. It's a history like that that suggests a reason why several Blue
staters I know are emigrating there. Probably has something to do with them
being LoR dorks, too.
BTW, it is my understanding that the situation was quite different in Oz,
with the aborginals not getting voting rights until the 1960s (?). Why is
that?
In the U.S. universal male sufferage was granted, in a strict legal sense,
in 1870 with the 15th Amendment. Of course, many states came up with
innovative ways to deny the vote to poor blacks and whites. But mostly
blacks. It wasn't until 1921, though, that Native Americans living in (at
the time) the Indian nations were allowed voting rights.
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just
doing
a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously
protesting
the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of
"intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank
the
God
of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out
against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired
by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated
our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's
compare.
Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored
the
God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. -
wherein
"we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out
gets
a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the
York
College faculty want for America, too?
Wee, nice to know us Kiwis are in a dictatorship. According to
the
latest
Nat Geog, we're actually the oldest real democracy (that is,
where
everyone
has the vote). Actually I thought our labour government was
just
following
the Germans. Nothing to do with the Holy Babble there.
That was so bad of us, siding with Hitler in WW2 and the Soviet
Union
in
the Cold War. Darwin sure has a lot to answer for.
Funny, I thought we here in the UK were the oldest "real
democracy"
in
the
world. But if Nat Geog says it's you then it must be true.
Actually, if you define most democratic on the proportion that has
the
vote,
then NZ was the first complete democracy. Women got the vote here
in
1893,
England, not until 1921(?).
In the U.S., Wyoming territory granted women's sufferage in 1869.
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the
vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nevertheless, a bunch of ignorant 'mericans gave women the right to
vote
a
full 24 years before NZ did. Incidentally, Wyoming was admitted to the
union
in 1890.
Yep, knew that too. But the Union did not allow women the vote at that
time.
BTW - I didn't *say* you were ignorant 'mericans.
I believe that Switzerland did not grant women's sufferage until
about 1971 or so. Needless to say (though I will anyway), there are
numerous
places around the world that still don't. But, IIANM, Wyoming was the
first
place anywhere to do so.
I'm curious, were the Maori granted the RTV in 1893?
Nope, 1865. If they were also landholders. Then every male circa 1878.
Actually, based purely on the landholding right to vote, more Maori
could
vote, earlier, than most Pakeha (whites). Which actually helps to
explain
the granting of universal male suffrage.
Alan Jeffery
Way cool. It's a history like that that suggests a reason why several Blue
staters I know are emigrating there. Probably has something to do with
them
being LoR dorks, too.
BTW, it is my understanding that the situation was quite different in Oz,
with the aborginals not getting voting rights until the 1960s (?). Why is
that?
It may have something to do with the fact that, until about 1870, there were
more Maori in NZ than Pakeha. And they were pretty well armed. Also Maori
did have some idea of land ownership. At least enough to get titles issued
for Maori corporations, and also various individuals. In addition (white)
Aussies have always seen aboriginals as somewhat less than civilised
(Looking over shoulder just in case Wilkins is charging up the
backstraight).
BTW don't see the fact that Maori had the right to vote as a unmitigated
good thing. They could only vote for 4 (yep 4) members of parliament. And
those 4 had to be Maori.
Alan Jeffery
Alan Jeffery
In the U.S. universal male sufferage was granted, in a strict legal sense,
in 1870 with the 15th Amendment. Of course, many states came up with
innovative ways to deny the vote to poor blacks and whites. But mostly
blacks. It wasn't until 1921, though, that Native Americans living in (at
the time) the Indian nations were allowed voting rights.
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Alan Jeffery
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Alan Jeffery wrote:
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the vote.
Sure they did, legally that is. And in some states they actually did get
to vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nor was NZ an independent country until 1907, but that didn't seem to
bother you when you made your claim.
This universal suffrage is a more complicated question than it first
appears.
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16 Dec 2004 03:54:06 PM |
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Alan Jeffery wrote:
Sure, I knew that. But native Americans and Blacks didn't have the
vote.
Sure they did, legally that is. And in some states they actually did get
to vote.
And Wyoming Territory was not the entire US.
Nor was NZ an independent country until 1907, but that didn't seem to
bother you when you made your claim.
Hmm, now the independence of NZ is a slippery little sod. In some respects
NZ was independent from 1854, when the NZ parliament was set up. From that
date we could make our own laws, and we had to pay the Brits for the use of
their military. Strictly speaking we weren't entirely independent then
because we were subservient to Britain in respect of foreign policy and
trade treaties. But internal affairs were entirely ours from that date.
The Dominion Act of 1907 severed those connections. Although, I guess, you
could say we're still not independent as our head of state is the British
Queen and the government is, legally, called "the crown".
Alan Jeffery
This universal suffrage is a more complicated question than it first
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In our last thrilling episode, "Alan Jeffery"
<observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
on Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:10:48 +0000 (UTC) by Zoog, minion of Zathar.
As he fell, he screamed:
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Much to the amusement of Iceland's Althing which has been meeting
since the 11th Century.
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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In our last thrilling episode, "Alan Jeffery"
<observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
on Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:10:48 +0000 (UTC) by Zoog, minion of Zathar.
As he fell, he screamed:
But the English parliament is called the "mother of parliaments".
Much to the amusement of Iceland's Althing which has been meeting
since the 11th Century.
--
Hey, look, they're Icelanders you know. What do they count? Actually the
Althing was disbanded after Iceland became part of Denmark. The Althing was
not a parliament as we would understand it. People voted by grouping around
the person they agreed with. And sometimes such differences would be
settled by trial by combat. The Althing was actually several such meetings,
that each sent representatives to a "chief" Althing. If you want to know
more read Gwyn Jones _A History of the Vikings_. In practice the Althing(s)
tended to be dominated by the nobility, at least after Christianity came in,
and the commoners had their weapons taken off them.
Alan Jeffery
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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when they do it from religious conviction."
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
I'm pretty sure this guy is serious--which makes it an accidental parody.
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them - America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. - wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://ydr.com/story/letters/52516/
If it's parody it's far too close to the real thing to be called satire ...
in fact it could be copyright violation somewhere.
J. Spaceman
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14 Dec 2004 06:08:39 PM |
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Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech.
The US founding fathers were inspired by ID? So did Washington
discover that muskets are "irreducibly complex"? ;-)
J. Spaceman
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15 Dec 2004 06:24:02 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:08:39 +0000, Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech.
The US founding fathers were inspired by ID? So did Washington discover
that muskets are "irreducibly complex"? ;-)
J. Spaceman
Apparently, without a flintlock, a musket is more-or-less useless. A
lesson that had to be learned over and over again in the early American
experience.
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Don't blame me -- I voted for the other guy.
--Daniel Harper
(Insert my name and change terra to earth for email)
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16 Dec 2004 12:58:14 PM |
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Daniel Harper wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:08:39 +0000, Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech.
The US founding fathers were inspired by ID? So did Washington discover
that muskets are "irreducibly complex"? ;-)
J. Spaceman
Apparently, without a flintlock, a musket is more-or-less useless. A
lesson that had to be learned over and over again in the early American
experience.
Ha! Give me a bit of burning slow match and we'll test that assertion.
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16 Dec 2004 11:31:56 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them — America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc.
The ignorance of some people is truly staggering. First of
all, the Nazis *were* Christian. While they did base some
of their policies on perversions of Darwin, they also used
the Bible, Theosophy, Nordic mythology, the occult, and
everything else they could get their hands on.
The Soviets *were* officially atheists, but THEY ALSO REJECTED
DARWIN, for exactly the same reasons the Discovery Institute
wants you to reject him. They replaced natural selection with
"Lysenkoism" - basically a 3 billion year class struggle. In
other words, it was an atheist's "Intelligent Design".
-E
— wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/letters/52516/
J. Spaceman
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18 Dec 2004 12:50:00 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
From the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------
The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them — America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. — wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
Not only ignorant of science but ignorant of America, both its
history and current events -- unless they are admitting Bush is a
dictator.
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In 2004 not one mass grave was found in Iraq.
How many suckers are there?
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18 Dec 2004 10:16:58 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Matt Giwer
<jull43@tampabay.rOAr.com> said in alt.atheism:
Not only ignorant of science but ignorant of America, both its
history and current events -- unless they are admitting Bush is a
dictator.
That's subject to question?
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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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19 Dec 2004 07:36:30 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Matt Giwer
<jull43@tampabay.rOAr.com> said in alt.atheism:
Not only ignorant of science but ignorant of America, both its
history and current events -- unless they are admitting Bush is a
dictator.
That's subject to question?
That you are able to question our government without fear of being
locked up or killed tells me that the USA is still a good distance from
the shores of tyranny.
Sorry. Bush may be a misguided twit, he may surround himself with some
truly evil people bent on US global supremacy, but he is no dictator.
-Mr. Sherjnov
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Dec 2004 11:27:55 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC), Michael <none@entered.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Matt Giwer
<jull43@tampabay.rOAr.com> said in alt.atheism:
Not only ignorant of science but ignorant of America, both its
history and current events -- unless they are admitting Bush is a
dictator.
That's subject to question?
That you are able to question our government without fear of being
locked up or killed tells me that the USA is still a good distance from
the shores of tyranny.
Some have been, so the distance is getting smaller.
Sorry. Bush may be a misguided twit, he may surround himself with some
truly evil people bent on US global supremacy, but he is no dictator.
Not for lack of trying. But he has 4 more years in which to keep
trying.
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14 Dec 2004 05:58:33 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
Always the problem, in life as on TO.
From the article:
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The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them — America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. — wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/letters/52516/
J. Spaceman
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Dec 2004 07:06:35 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:28:02 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
I can't decide if this letter writer is serious, or just doing a
parody.
I wish it was parody. Sadly, tis the usual Christian fundy idiocy.
From the article:
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The York College professors who are so self-righteously protesting the
teaching of a touch of creation history in the name of "intelligent
design" in the Dover school system need to pause and thank the God of
the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ for the freedom to speak out against
the hand that is feeding them — America.
Also pause to thank our founding fathers, who, being inspired by
"intelligent design," fought all the battles that generated our
Constitution and therefore freedom of speech. Now let's compare. Every
country on this earth that taught Darwin or otherwise ignored the God
of the Holy Bible are all dictatorships or some other form of
socialism such as bestowed by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin etc. — wherein "we
the people" are enslaved and the penalty for speaking out gets a
bullet in the nape of the neck. Is that the "free choice" the York
College faculty want for America, too?
Thank goodness the "professors" shot themselves in the foot in their
first paragraph when they use the term "evolutionary theory." They are
right. Evolution is theory while Christianity is truth and fact. There
is nothing "supernatural" about creation science or America's "God
Bless America." And yes, by all means teach intelligent design as a
major part of the history of the great United States of America. To
those who don't like it, shut up or find another country that better
suits your atheistic proclivities.
GEORGE W.E. SCHAFER
JACKSON TOWNSHIP
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/letters/52516/
J. Spaceman
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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