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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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04 Aug 2006 05:23:30 PM |
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Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676667/posts
Unborn Child a Parasite, a Tapeworm: Columnist
LifeSiteNews ^ | Hilary White and John Jalsevac
Posted on 08/02/2006 3:19:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
ANN ARBOR, August 2, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a July 26 column
that reads almost like a parody of the slogans of the abortion
movement, a sophomore at Michigan State University has declared that
the unborn child is a parasite, similar to a tapeworm that should be
"annihilated."
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions... Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
Krouse asks rhetorically, "How can you kill something that is not yet
living?" He answers his own question saying that the child after birth
is "alive" because it no longer receives nutrients and oxygen through
the umbilical cord from the mother. He does not clarify how a thing
that processes nutrients and oxygen, grows, moves independently and
replicates its own cells - the usual criteria for living things
established by the biological sciences - can be not alive in the womb
but suddenly alive at the moment of birth.
Nick Mrozowski, the editor for The State News, told LifeSiteNews.com
that Krouse's piece does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
newspaper itself. "When we publish a columnist it is their view," he
said. "We routinely publish columns that the paper does or does not
agree with."
"[Krouse] has reinvigorated a debate in our community that is
important. A debate is good."
Mrozowski said that the reponse to Krouse's inflammatory language has
been a mere handful of letters, some opposed and some in favor.
One woman wrote to the State News to say that she agreed with Shane
Krouse that the unborn child is a parasite that may be killed with
impunity.
Clementine Ford of Adelaide, Australia wrote in response that because
the "reasoning for abortion is personal...there can be no definable
'valid' reason for having one."
"Personally, I aborted my parasite because of failed contraception and
a fervent desire not to breed right now. I feel no guilt for my
actions."
See the original State News story at
http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=36986
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
05 Aug 2006 08:55:59 AM |
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I go by this mandate:
"You will be judged by your own measure, by your own words."
Therefore, Krouse, was all the things he says about fetuses, when he was a
fetus.
This means, since his species did not change from the time he was in utero
until now, he is still of the same entity that he labeled himself as in his
writings.
Now that we know he is little more than a parasite in our society, he much
use his own language and seek to annihilate himself to fulfill his words.
LOL!
Understand how his own words work against him?
If he chooses to abandon his own position and to recognize that he wasn't a
parasite that needs to be eliminated, then we will be able to allow him to
continue to exist.
Currently, his own words condemn him to annihilation.
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1154730210.183990.321750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676667/posts
Unborn Child a Parasite, a Tapeworm: Columnist
LifeSiteNews ^ | Hilary White and John Jalsevac
Posted on 08/02/2006 3:19:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
ANN ARBOR, August 2, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a July 26 column
that reads almost like a parody of the slogans of the abortion
movement, a sophomore at Michigan State University has declared that
the unborn child is a parasite, similar to a tapeworm that should be
"annihilated."
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions... Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
Krouse asks rhetorically, "How can you kill something that is not yet
living?" He answers his own question saying that the child after birth
is "alive" because it no longer receives nutrients and oxygen through
the umbilical cord from the mother. He does not clarify how a thing
that processes nutrients and oxygen, grows, moves independently and
replicates its own cells - the usual criteria for living things
established by the biological sciences - can be not alive in the womb
but suddenly alive at the moment of birth.
Nick Mrozowski, the editor for The State News, told LifeSiteNews.com
that Krouse's piece does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
newspaper itself. "When we publish a columnist it is their view," he
said. "We routinely publish columns that the paper does or does not
agree with."
"[Krouse] has reinvigorated a debate in our community that is
important. A debate is good."
Mrozowski said that the reponse to Krouse's inflammatory language has
been a mere handful of letters, some opposed and some in favor.
One woman wrote to the State News to say that she agreed with Shane
Krouse that the unborn child is a parasite that may be killed with
impunity.
Clementine Ford of Adelaide, Australia wrote in response that because
the "reasoning for abortion is personal...there can be no definable
'valid' reason for having one."
"Personally, I aborted my parasite because of failed contraception and
a fervent desire not to breed right now. I feel no guilt for my
actions."
See the original State News story at
http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=36986
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pro-liar propagandist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
05 Aug 2006 02:18:17 PM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
I go by this mandate:
"You will be judged by your own measure, by your own words."
Explain why you think women are supposed to be your fucksluts from hell?
"Johnny" in <Cta9e.106442$wo1.100416@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Now, when are you going to get through your thick skull that thing about
keeping your filthy nose out of other persons' affairs?
"Johnny" in <t7zqg.17589$7K2.8552@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm (Right-wing lies) |
04 Aug 2006 10:47:17 PM |
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Notice that the right-wing idiot starts off with a lie, claiming that
a college sophomore is a "columnist".
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676667/posts
ANN ARBOR, August 2, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a July 26 column
that reads almost like a parody of the slogans of the abortion
movement, a sophomore at Michigan State University has declared that
Who give a *****?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
04 Aug 2006 06:31:36 PM |
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On 4 Aug 2006 15:23:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions... Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
He is pointing out that an embryo has none of the characteristics of a
human being. It is a POTENTIAL human being, just as an egg or sperm
is. Over a period of 9 months it gradually forms into a baby. Surely
its personhood gradually forms correspondingly, not alakazam, like
some magician doing a trick.
The original author's argument is that it is ridiculous to get so
emotional about a lump of cells. Could you imagine every Kotex being
giving an $5000 funeral, or a wart being given a tiny wart casket
because it contains living cells that could potentially be cloned into
a full human being. Every porn mag needs to be buried with full
military honours to honour its complement of sticky sperms who
sacrificed their lives.
I have never seen anyone shift on the abortion issue. Beliefs have
little to do with logic and a lot do with religious training. My view
is then the only possible way to resolve the issue is to make abortion
completely unnecessary with much better fail safe birth control.
Unfortunately, the very folk in favour of illegal vs legal abortion
are also opposed to birth control.
see http://mindprod.com/politics/abortion.html
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
05 Aug 2006 06:33:04 PM |
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Roedy Green wrote in message <0gl7d25m7g8kicj0t626s25gfc3mr9hd4i@4ax.com>...
On 4 Aug 2006 15:23:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions...
Neither can an adult under sedation or in a coma.
Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
He is pointing out that an embryo has none of the characteristics of a
human being.
At the three cell stage, the new DNA synthesis is complete. The "mass of
tissue" is no longer identifiable as belonging to either parent.
It is a POTENTIAL
INTENDED. It ain't gonna be a cat or dog.
human being, just as an egg or sperm is.
An egg or sperm has the DNA of the mother/father. Neither are a unique human
the way an embryo is.
Over a period of 9 months it gradually forms into a baby. Surely
its personhood gradually forms correspondingly, not alakazam, like
some magician doing a trick.
The original author's argument is that it is ridiculous to get so
emotional about a lump of cells. Could you imagine every Kotex being
giving an $5000 funeral, or a wart being given a tiny wart casket
because it contains living cells that could potentially be cloned into
a full human being. Every porn mag needs to be buried with full
military honours to honour its complement of sticky sperms who
sacrificed their lives.
Maybe when someone you don't like goes into a coma, you can kill 'em and
tell God they died.
I have never seen anyone shift on the abortion issue.
But you'd better alter your arguments a little to fit the actual fatcs.
Beliefs have
little to do with logic and a lot do with religious training. My view
is then the only possible way to resolve the issue is to make abortion
completely unnecessary with much better fail safe birth control.
Unfortunately, the very folk in favour of illegal vs legal abortion
are also opposed to birth control.
That is false. You need to qualify that with "some."
BTW, I'm not interested in making arguments about when personhood begins.
I'm just providing facts and correcting your far-too-common errors.
- Rick
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| User: "LyingCheatingIncompetantFakeReligiousRepugliCons" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
05 Aug 2006 06:47:44 PM |
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Rick wrote:
Roedy Green wrote in message <0gl7d25m7g8kicj0t626s25gfc3mr9hd4i@4ax.com>...
On 4 Aug 2006 15:23:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions...
Neither can an adult under sedation or in a coma.
Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
He is pointing out that an embryo has none of the characteristics of a
human being.
At the three cell stage, the new DNA synthesis is complete. The "mass of
tissue" is no longer identifiable as belonging to either parent.
It is a POTENTIAL
INTENDED. It ain't gonna be a cat or dog.
human being, just as an egg or sperm is.
An egg or sperm has the DNA of the mother/father. Neither are a unique human
the way an embryo is.
Over a period of 9 months it gradually forms into a baby. Surely
its personhood gradually forms correspondingly, not alakazam, like
some magician doing a trick.
The original author's argument is that it is ridiculous to get so
emotional about a lump of cells. Could you imagine every Kotex being
giving an $5000 funeral, or a wart being given a tiny wart casket
because it contains living cells that could potentially be cloned into
a full human being. Every porn mag needs to be buried with full
military honours to honour its complement of sticky sperms who
sacrificed their lives.
Maybe when someone you don't like goes into a coma, you can kill 'em and
tell God they died.
I have never seen anyone shift on the abortion issue.
But you'd better alter your arguments a little to fit the actual fatcs.
Beliefs have
little to do with logic and a lot do with religious training. My view
is then the only possible way to resolve the issue is to make abortion
completely unnecessary with much better fail safe birth control.
Unfortunately, the very folk in favour of illegal vs legal abortion
are also opposed to birth control.
That is false. You need to qualify that with "some."
BTW, I'm not interested in making arguments about when personhood begins.
I'm just providing facts and correcting your far-too-common errors.
- Rick
if condoms were pushed and birth control was pushed and abstinence were
not taugh to be the only way, you would not have as many problems as
there are, but religious nuts always go crazy and that is where the
problems come in, as soon as you bring in religion, everything gets
fucked up.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Columnist: Unborn Child Is A Tapeworm |
05 Aug 2006 01:57:49 PM |
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On 4 Aug 2006 15:23:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:
I don't see the word "liberal" anywhere...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676667/posts
Unborn Child a Parasite, a Tapeworm: Columnist
LifeSiteNews ^ | Hilary White and John Jalsevac
Posted on 08/02/2006 3:19:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
ANN ARBOR, August 2, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a July 26 column
that reads almost like a parody of the slogans of the abortion
movement, a sophomore at Michigan State University has declared that
the unborn child is a parasite, similar to a tapeworm that should be
"annihilated."
Writing for The State News, the campus paper of Michigan State
University, one of the largest univerities in the U.S., Shane Krouse
writes, "The fetus is merely a wad of cells. A mere wad of cells
doesn't equate to a fully functioning, living human being. A wad of
cells cannot make its own cognitive decisions... Comparatively, a fetus
is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to
annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for
fetuses to suffer the same fate?"
Krouse asks rhetorically, "How can you kill something that is not yet
living?" He answers his own question saying that the child after birth
is "alive" because it no longer receives nutrients and oxygen through
the umbilical cord from the mother. He does not clarify how a thing
that processes nutrients and oxygen, grows, moves independently and
replicates its own cells - the usual criteria for living things
established by the biological sciences - can be not alive in the womb
but suddenly alive at the moment of birth.
Nick Mrozowski, the editor for The State News, told LifeSiteNews.com
that Krouse's piece does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
newspaper itself. "When we publish a columnist it is their view," he
said. "We routinely publish columns that the paper does or does not
agree with."
"[Krouse] has reinvigorated a debate in our community that is
important. A debate is good."
Mrozowski said that the reponse to Krouse's inflammatory language has
been a mere handful of letters, some opposed and some in favor.
One woman wrote to the State News to say that she agreed with Shane
Krouse that the unborn child is a parasite that may be killed with
impunity.
Clementine Ford of Adelaide, Australia wrote in response that because
the "reasoning for abortion is personal...there can be no definable
'valid' reason for having one."
"Personally, I aborted my parasite because of failed contraception and
a fervent desire not to breed right now. I feel no guilt for my
actions."
See the original State News story at
http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=36986
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Aug 2006 08:11:52 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:23:30 -0700, Sound of Trumpet in
<1154730210.183990.321750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Unborn Child a Parasite, a Tapeworm: Columnist
Sorry but they share the same attributes as a parasite. They're actually
damaging to the host and can kill.
In fact, if you people get your way, death in child birth will come
roaring back as you'll sink us into a dark age...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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04 Aug 2006 10:13:25 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676667/posts
Unborn Child a Parasite, a Tapeworm: Columnist
LifeSiteNews ^ | Hilary White and John Jalsevac
Posted on 08/02/2006 3:19:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
Boy, I'll tell ya - these libberuls with their over-the-top rhetoric.
It's almost as if the author of the following was deliberately baiting
right-to-lifers:
"In pregnant women with profound iron-deficiency anemia,
for example, the iron stores of the fetus are normal;
in pregnant women with severe folic acid deficiency
causing severe anemia, the fetal hematocrit is normal.
THE FETUS IS A DEMANDING AND EFFICENT PARASITE!
are met at whatever cost to the maternal organism."
--Williams Obstetrics 1997, p. 21 (capitalization mine)
Williams Obstetrics is a leading professional obstetrics reference. We
can bandy words back and forth about whether or not the fetus is a
parasite. It is clear that the editors of Williams Obstetrics think it
is. We can even stipulate that the tapeworm reference in the opinion
piece cited above is objectionable, but the relationship between the
woman and the fetus *is* essentially parasitic. The woman derives no
benefit from the fetus's presence, and is put in a condition of
considerable health risk, in fact.
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