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Kids R Not Us -- Embracing the decision not to procreate
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/4/7 | Katherine Seligman
Posted on 03/04/2007 12:53:59 PM PST by SmithL
It was time for the "Childfree Landslide News." Christine Fisher
leaned forward and announced this in a soft voice that would sound
surprisingly strong when it aired as part of her weekly (at least on
Mars, she says, where weeks are 13 days) online show, the "Adult Space
Child Free Podcast." She had just put in a day at the pharmaceutical
company where she works and was home in her Newark apartment, shoes
off, with her husband flopped on a sofa reading in the next room and
her two cats roaming underfoot.
She started the podcast, a medley of commentary, news and personal
narrative, to reach an audience outside "diaperland" about a year ago.
Fisher knew as early as third grade that she did not want children.
She had no interest in games that involved playing house or cooing
over babies. In the world of childfree men and women, she is what's
known as an "early articulator." Now 32, she has had her share of
friends who became temporarily unavailable or disappeared when they
had kids. Even in the Bay Area, which Fisher finds one of the better
places for childfree mingling because of its cultural diversity -- San
Francisco has one of the lowest ratios of kids of any U.S. city -- it
can be hard for the childfree to connect.
Her listeners are a far-flung demographic, with a few hundred of
various ages mostly in the United States, but also scattered as far
away as the United Arab Emirates, Norway and Uruguay. The topics are
almost as varied. On this winter Tuesday, Fisher reviewed medical news
(part of the landslide) about hospital admissions from unsafe
abortions in developing countries and hormone-related skin cancer
risk, responded to listener feedback (someone named Snerdie wanted to
know whether strollers are really allowed in casinos), listed her New
Year's resolutions, and gave a "shout-out" to a friend who was ill.
Then, in what's become her signature end to the show, she leaned into
the microphone and said, "This is Chris the Fixed Kitty saying, 'Keep
from breeding!' "
"It's very difficult to find other childfree people," said Fisher, who
works part time as a quality assurance associate. "We tend to be a
very quiet, closet-type group. When I mention I'm not having kids, I
get a few specific reactions. Either someone tells me I will change my
mind, which is probably more frequent with the older generation, or
they try to persuade me. Or I get this really strange reaction, which
is, 'You are so nice.' When you realize there is this public
perception that you're cold or not caring, you learn to be quiet about
it."
Childfree organizations have been around for a few decades, but new
social groups, books, an online magazine, unscripted: the childfree
life, and myriad Web sites (Childfree by Choice alone links to 20
other resources) have sprung up in the past few years, their
visibility fueled by the Internet but also by changing attitudes. In
the 1950s, there was an assumption that everyone would get married,
then have children. Family life "proceeded in lockstep," said
Stephanie Coontz, a professor at Evergreen State College in Washington
and director of research and public education at the Council on
Contemporary Families. As many as 80 percent of people thought that
staying single and childless was "deviant or abnormal," she said. But
in the 1970s, amid turbulent social change, the availability of the
birth control pill and public debate about population growth, those
assumptions were challenged. These days, the "vast majority" of people
think it is acceptable not to have kids or marry, said Coontz.
"My generation was looking at whether we could have careers and keep
our own names," said Coontz. "The next generation was not as
interested in that and not as defensive. A lot of these strong
feelings are part of the process of sorting out how we deal with this
changing world."
Personally, Coontz takes a "middle-of-the-road approach," she said.
She has kids but supports the decision of those who choose not to. The
childfree often spend more time caring for aging parents or relatives
and also end up, through taxes, supporting the next generation. "It's
the younger generation that is going to pay for our Social Security
and foot some of the bills," she said. "We do owe parents who raise
kids a debt."
Even so, the stigma remains. "We're seen as threatening institutions,"
said Teri Tith, an East Bay woman with a Web site called Purple Women
& Friends. Jennifer L. Shawne, author of the 2005 tongue-in-cheek book
"Baby Not on Board," was inundated with responses from readers -- and
people who just heard about it. Many but not all thanked her, said
Shawne, who lives in San Francisco. To some, a decision not to have
kids is tantamount to a stand against religious or American values. "I
did a lot of radio call-in shows where I was called names," she said.
"One man in Beaumont, Texas, said my husband and I deserved to die
alone."
Several people interviewed for this story wanted to be known by a
first name only or not identified at all because they were not, as one
woman put it, "out." The woman said she was worried about her
boyfriend, who is still uncertain about fatherhood. Would her feelings
be a deal-breaker? It has happened before.
"There is still a public-policy and religious and cultural stigma,"
said Elaine, a Southern California blogger known as AlphaGirl, who is
unapologetic about the adversarial tone of her Web site -- Childfree:
Uncut. Unedited. Uncensored -- but didn't want to use her last name.
"For some reason when someone comes forward and says, 'I want to have
kids,' no one comes forward and says, 'You will change your mind.' But
when I was younger and said kids weren't on the docket, people felt
free to question the decision."
Some statistics suggest more women now are childless by choice, but
it's hard to come up with a firm estimate because women, on average,
are having children older, and demographers don't usually ask why they
don't have them. The National Center for Health Statistics confirms
that 6.6 percent of women between the ages of 15 and 44 called
themselves voluntarily childless in 1995, up from 2.4 percent in 1982.
And according to 1998 U.S. Census Bureau statistics, 19 percent of
women 40 to 44 were childless, compared with 10 percent in that age
group in 1976.
As a group, the childfree are no more homogenous than parents. They
include gay and lesbian and single men and women who all, these days,
face the same kind of question: Why don't you want kids? Some grappled
with infertility, then embraced the childfree life. Others never had
the urge to procreate, grew out of it or decided against kids because
of a mate who didn't want them. And there are those who say they just
can't afford it, especially in San Francisco.
"For us, it's well thought out," said Teresa Marchese, a fitness
trainer, whose husband, Jay Mercado, is an artist. "It's the whole
financial aspect. Neither of us has the option of quitting work. We
rent and we have a fluctuating income. The people I know who are
having kids, they're moving back to Oklahoma. We don't want to leave
the city."
In one survey of childfree couples, most ranked independence, marital
satisfaction and the lack of desire to have kids as top reasons not to
have them. To them, the decision was not a "lifestyle" choice, said
Laura Scott, a Virginia writer who's surveyed more than 170 childfree
couples about their decision for a project on the subject. Being able
to travel or sleep late were benefits, not motivations, for most, she
said.
Attitudes about kids also vary. There are childfree people who are
annoyed by what they see as a kidcentric society, where they are
constantly forced to listen to people talk about their children's
schools, precious achievements or poop. They resent employee benefits
that are offered only to parents, or what they see as the burden of
doing more than their share of work while people with kids rush off to
pick them up. "Work-family benefits?" writes AlphaGirl. "Yeah, right.
Lactation rooms in the workplace? Oh, please." She once confronted the
human resources department at the large bank where she worked to
demand the same flexibility given her co-workers who were parents. The
bank didn't make a policy change, and Elaine said she is disappointed
in the lack of progress toward treating all employees equally. "I
don't think one group should come before any other," she said.
Many childfree people want to spend time around children, the kind who
can be handed back. They just want to find a social universe that
doesn't revolve around children.
"We're getting harder to ignore," said Tith. "We're controversial
whether we mean to be or not." Even the term childfree can be
contentious. There are people who prefer a hyphenated child-free or
childless, names that, to others, imply that something is missing.
Tith joined No Kidding!, a social club founded by a Toronto teacher in
1984, after moving from the Bay Area to Canada because of her
husband's job. Through No Kidding! she joined a poker group, worked on
the organization's annual convention and made friends who didn't have
kids. When she returned to live in a rural East Bay town, she co-
founded the San Francisco Bay Area Childfree Meetup, a group that gets
together for dinner and winetasting, and started her blog, where she
posts her own comments and links to other childfree bloggers -- even
some who are not, including a Silicon Valley moms group, that also
links to her. ("They found my blog to be an even and reasonable voice,
and I was terribly flattered," she says of the moms group).
"Some of us do hate kids, but that makes me uncomfortable because I
don't," she said. Tith came to her childfree decision by circumstance,
after a medical condition made it clear she couldn't conceive. Married
at 22, she and her husband split up, partly, she said, because of the
strain of fertility issues. "To me, I would always be one half of an
infertile couple," she said. Nine years ago she remarried. Her
husband, who thinks that the world is crowded enough, did not want
kids.
"I assumed I would want kids," she said. "I had to accept that I
couldn't and I made a choice to. But every woman's story is different.
You hear all different ones."
Lingba, a Potrero Hill lounge, is crowded and noisy on a winter night
when the members of the newly formed San Francisco Childfree Meetup
find one another at a corner table. There are about a dozen this time,
more than at the previous month's inaugural event. There are several
couples, two married women who came without their husbands and many
single people. Most are from San Francisco, but a few live other
places, including Novato, where, one woman said, "Yuppies go to
breed."
"When I said I was happily childfree I might as well have said I was a
serial killer," she said.
"I just never realized I did want kids," said Valerie Francescato, the
group's founder, who works for a furniture manufacturer. What stops
the rude questions, she said, is to say she can't have kids.
"I had a hysterectomy, but that's not related to why I don't want
kids," said another woman, who is from Australia, where she felt as if
being childfree wasn't such an issue. After moving to the Bay Area,
she said, she finds it hard to socialize with people in her apartment
building because they all have kids and they leave her and her husband
out of their social plans.
"I said we'd have to rent a couple of kids," she said. "Then I ran
across this group and said, 'Thank God.' "
An Iranian American woman who is a financial analyst said she'd been
asked if she didn't want kids because she'd been abused or neglected.
"They assume something is wrong with me," she said. "I'm 35. I won't
change my mind. I hang out with a lot of Europeans who are a lot more
accepting of it. Why do I have to explain myself? It happens so much
I'm angry."
"Your best friends disappear. They fall off the end of the earth when
they have kids," said Rick, a scientist whose best friend moved to
Palo Alto to be closer to work, then became unavailable.
Rick said he's "child neutral" but is leaning toward not wanting them.
"I would have to be crazy about someone, then it would have to be
financially right." His decision has prompted colleagues to assume
he's gay, since he lives in San Francisco and isn't coupled up, with
kids. "Whatever," he said. "Some people are so narrow-minded." Men
face many of the same stereotypes that women do, he said. People think
it's a selfish decision or that there is something wrong with him.
"Do you notice kids in strollers?" asked Rick, as Meetup members
sipped their drinks.
"I don't," said the financial analyst.
"I'll stop and pet a dog, but I won't stop and say, 'That's so cute,'
to a baby," said Rick.
"I just like peace and quiet," said the analyst.
"I can't imagine waking up four or five times a night," Rick said.
"Friends ask me, 'How's your fabulous life?' said the analyst. "And I
say, 'Fabulous!' "
Most of the talk was not about children, or a lack of them, but about
hobbies and recent trips and interests. Like people on a first or
second date, the childfree were trying to figure out where and if
their lives intersected.
Chris Fisher first got involved in the childfree world as a college
student in Toledo, Ohio, by joining a mailing list. She was too busy
in graduate school -- a stint in medical school before finding her way
to a graduate program in biology -- to look for other childfree
people. But she was settled enough in her decision by her mid-20s to
undergo a tubal ligation.
"I need to do an episode about that saga," she said, in a phone
interview during her commute home from work, a time she uses to record
her thoughts on an MP3 or return calls. "I was 25 and had known I was
going to have my tubes tied eventually."
The time was right because she had health insurance and was about to
move. The problem: Her doctor was hesitant because of her age and
childless status. "I could have gotten a handgun faster," she said.
Eventually the doctor was "worn down," she said, but only after he saw
in her medical records that she'd been stating her intention not to
have kids for years. She had to sign a consent form and wait for 30
days to undergo the procedure, guidelines that exist in many states.
"I'm set," she said. "I got a doctor to agree to do this, but it's
difficult for women across the country."
She met her husband at a fencing club. She mentioned she didn't want
to be a mother, but was looking forward to being an aunt. "He said he
wanted to be an uncle," she said. "That was very interesting, in my
eyes." Her parents have accepted the couple's decision not to have
kids, although they initially thought their only child would change
her mind, Fisher said. "They have to settle for grand-kitties," she
said.
She and her husband moved from the Midwest to the Bay Area in 2005 for
work. He is a physicist in Silicon Valley. "It's hard to express how
different this place is," she said. "There is an understanding here
that there are many things people devote their lives to. ... It's not
the mommies and the non-mommies. We all live in the same world. There
is a lot more we have in common than we don't have in common."
Fisher recently scaled back to part-time work so she'd have more time
for other pursuits -- photography, writing, podcasting, reading
(especially science fiction and horror) and spending time with her
husband, who arrived home one Tuesday as she was podcasting and sat in
the next room reading. He sometimes makes sound effects, but leaves
the content to her. It was while talking to him one day that she came
up with the nickname Fixed Kitty. "We were talking about some comment
and I said, 'That's why I'm not a parent. I'm fixed. I'm a fixed
kitty.' "
"This is where I get to look like Carrie Fisher instead of Chris
Fisher," she said, as she put on her headphones, which did make her
look a little like the "Star Wars" actress, if you ignored the long
pony tail hanging down her back. At various times she had to fend off
a cat, which wanted to jump on her lap, then went to sit in an empty
box left out for his benefit.
She talked about her New Year's resolution to come up with a better
response to people who don't understand her decision. Why is it people
feel they can ask if she has kids? Would they come up and ask if she
were gay?
"When someone asks why you don't have kids, it gets very personal,"
she said. "They need to rethink the assumption that there is something
wrong if you don't."
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:00:08 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Sep 2007 06:07:10 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:00:08 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
Such a pity that your mother wasn't 'liberal', then.
Or maybe she was liberal with her favours.
Smiler,
The godless one,
a.a.# 2279
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26 Sep 2007 12:40:31 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:16:41 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:00:08 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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26 Sep 2007 05:31:12 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the world
a favor and keep trying.
Haahaahaahaahaa.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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26 Sep 2007 09:16:41 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the
world
a favor and keep trying.
Haahaahaahaahaa.
You believe that inflatable dolls can have babies, do you, Puke?
Get urgent medical help before you hurt someone other than yourself.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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28 Sep 2007 06:51:18 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:16:41 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the
world a favor and keep trying.
Haahaahaahaahaa.
You believe that inflatable dolls can have babies, do you, Puke?
Get urgent medical help before you hurt someone other than yourself.
Thank you for your response, smiler. You made my point.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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27 Sep 2007 12:16:19 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:31:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the world
a favor and keep trying.
So where are all your progeny, 64 year old biolgical failure?
Oh that's right, you ain't got none.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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27 Sep 2007 11:20:27 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:31:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the world
a favor and keep trying.
So where are all your progeny, 64 year old biolgical failure?
Oh that's right, you ain't got none.
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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27 Sep 2007 12:03:33 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:31:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the
world
a favor and keep trying.
So where are all your progeny, 64 year old biolgical failure?
Oh that's right, you ain't got none.
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
I didn't know sheep could talk!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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27 Sep 2007 01:29:32 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:03:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:31:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:40:31 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the
world
a favor and keep trying.
So where are all your progeny, 64 year old biolgical failure?
Oh that's right, you ain't got none.
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
I didn't know sheep could talk!
She said it demonstratively, with her hind hooves, as she planted them
where they'd do the most good. Why do you think he has such a
high-pitched voice?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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27 Sep 2007 05:49:00 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:03:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
wrote:
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
I didn't know sheep could talk!
Depends on the color of their teeth.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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27 Sep 2007 05:48:08 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:20:27 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
Hey, twice dead, how do you know what happened on my wedding night?
When did you start your peeking tom career?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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27 Sep 2007 06:48:12 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:48:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:20:27 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
Hey, twice dead, how do you know what happened on my wedding night?
Considering that you are a childless, mateless loser couped up in an
apartment in Baton Rouge, I'd say she left you for the priest.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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28 Sep 2007 07:45:11 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:48:12 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:48:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:20:27 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On his wedding night his wife said, "You want to put that thing WHERE?
Not in ME you ain't!" And it's been downhill from there.
Hey, twice dead, how do you know what happened on my wedding night?
Considering that you are a childless, mateless loser couped up in an
apartment in Baton Rouge, I'd say she left you for the priest.
She left him for the family dog - it was a better lover and a FAR more
interesting conversationalist.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Little queer yangie poo poo lies to his blowup doll - Loser Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
27 Sep 2007 05:47:09 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So do the world
a favor and keep trying.
Haahaahaahaahaa
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Rip" |
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| Title: Re: Little queer yangie poo poo lies to his blowup doll - Loser Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
28 Sep 2007 02:39:03 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vkcof3d0d47gc24fg4l1jdsup4j462sqke@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of
the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So
do the world
a favor and keep trying.
Haahaahaahaahaa
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Is that like making a 8 y/o suck your ***** a good priest?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Little queer yangie poo poo lies to his blowup doll - Loser Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
28 Sep 2007 05:11:20 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:39:03 -0700, "Rip" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of
the
gene pool.
Remember, people like you can procreate with your blowup doll. So
do the world
a favor and keep trying.
Is that like making a 8 y/o suck your ***** a good priest?
Say what?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
27 Sep 2007 06:41:26 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:47:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, Loser pedophile Republicans like you will die childless,
pennyless, and feckless
Haahaahaahaahaa
Indeed, the last time you were anywhere near a white woman's womb they
had to cut off your umbilical cord.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
28 Sep 2007 05:08:44 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:41:26 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:47:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, Loser pedophile Republicans like you will die childless,
pennyless, and feckless
Haahaahaahaahaa
Indeed, the last time you were anywhere near a white woman's womb they
had to cut off your umbilical cord.
BUT, yangie poo poo, I don't try to have a baby with a blowup doll like you do.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
30 Sep 2007 10:42:03 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:08:44 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:41:26 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:47:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:16:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yes, then they are self-eliminating.
How many kids do you have?
Well then, the human race thanks you for taking yourself out of the
gene pool.
Remember, Loser pedophile Republicans like you will die childless,
pennyless, and feckless
Haahaahaahaahaa
Indeed, the last time you were anywhere near a white woman's womb they
had to cut off your umbilical cord.
BUT, yangie poo poo, I don't try to have a baby with a blowup doll like you do.
Actually, you don't try to have babies, period.
Evolution works.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
30 Sep 2007 12:27:19 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:42:03 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Indeed, the last time you were anywhere near a white woman's womb they
had to cut off your umbilical cord.
BUT, yangie poo poo, I don't try to have a baby with a blowup doll like you do.
Actually, you don't try to have babies, period.
At my age?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
30 Sep 2007 01:25:21 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:27:19 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:42:03 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Indeed, the last time you were anywhere near a white woman's womb they
had to cut off your umbilical cord.
BUT, yangie poo poo, I don't try to have a baby with a blowup doll like you do.
Actually, you don't try to have babies, period.
At my age?
Or the other 65 year of your worthless life.
Evolution works.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
30 Sep 2007 04:21:12 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:25:21 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Actually, you don't try to have babies, period.
At my age?
Or the other 65 year of your worthless life.
Evolution works.
Did your blowup doll tell you last nite that she had a headache?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
01 Oct 2007 10:54:19 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:21:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:25:21 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Actually, you don't try to have babies, period.
At my age?
Or the other 65 year of your worthless life.
Evolution works.
Did your blowup doll tell you last nite that she had a headache?
Dunno, how many restraining orders have you gotten from the LSU
co-eds?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Spinster Duke Masturbates to Virgin Mary Pin-Ups - duke Proudly Embracing His Inability To Procreate |
01 Oct 2007 07:39:55 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:54:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Did your blowup doll tell you last nite that she had a headache?
Dunno, how many restraining orders have you gotten from the LSU
co-eds?
NOne, yangie poo. How many times has your blow up doll said she has a headache?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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01 Oct 2007 11:34:02 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:39:55 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:54:19 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Did your blowup doll tell you last nite that she had a headache?
Dunno, how many restraining orders have you gotten from the LSU
co-eds?
NOne, yangie poo. How many times has your blow up doll said she has a headache?
So being a good Republican Catholic, how many little boys have you
molested?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Oct 2007 02:25:58 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:34:02 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
NOne, yangie poo. How many times has your blow up doll said she has a headache?
So being a good Republican Catholic, how many little boys have you
molested?
None, yangie poo. How many times has your blow up doll said she has a headache?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Medusa" |
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22 Sep 2007 07:12:50 PM |
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On Sep 22, 6:00 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795122/posts
Kids R Not Us -- Embracing the decision not to procreate
<snip>
Great article! I just don't get why people don't understand why I
never wanted children. You'd think they'd commend you for paying
taxes to educate other peoples' children (which I do gladly; I don't
want the next generation to be illiterate.) But, noooooooo. You get
all kinds of flak for being "selfish" and "unloving."
A friend, also childfree, says people with kids are envious of those
of us who have not had children. I think that many people have
children without realizing what they're in for.
I do get angry when I'm expected to "pick up the slack" for people who
go running out of work early because of their kids. A lot of times, I
refuse to do somebody else's work because their kid "has" to be
somewhere or "needs" something. Sorry, I have a life, too.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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23 Sep 2007 05:00:19 AM |
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On Sep 22, 7:12 pm, Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 22, 6:00 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795122/posts
Kids R Not Us -- Embracing the decision not to procreate
<snip>
Great article! I just don't get why people don't understand why I
never wanted children.
They hate that you're taking responsibility for yourself, first.
You'd think they'd commend you for paying
taxes to educate other peoples' children (which I do gladly; I don't
want the next generation to be illiterate.)
I do.
But, noooooooo. You get
all kinds of flak for being "selfish" and "unloving."
And if what you're doing is selfish and unloving, then may their God
help them should they bring a child into the world out of a twisted
sense of duty with nary a consideration for that child's well being.
You're doing the right thing for yourself as your heart and mind
dictate.
A friend, also childfree, says people with kids are envious of those
of us who have not had children.
That's not so for me.
I think that many people have
children without realizing what they're in for.
I don't regret having my children. Then, again, having them wasn't a
blind choice. I wouldn't mind taking care of children people don't
want, either.
I do get angry when I'm expected to "pick up the slack" for people who
go running out of work early because of their kids. A lot of times, I
refuse to do somebody else's work because their kid "has" to be
somewhere or "needs" something. Sorry, I have a life, too.
I'm not sure why they don't arrange time to do it if they can't do it
right then and there? Or pick up left over work, somewhere else?
Parenthood isn't a handicap.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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22 Sep 2007 10:17:26 PM |
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On Sep 23, 8:12 am, Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 22, 6:00 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795122/posts
Kids R Not Us -- Embracing the decision not to procreate
<snip>
Great article! I just don't get why people don't understand why I
never wanted children. You'd think they'd commend you for paying
taxes to educate other peoples' children (which I do gladly; I don't
want the next generation to be illiterate.) But, noooooooo. You get
all kinds of flak for being "selfish" and "unloving."
I have kids and I don't think you are selfish at all. Eventually you
will die and your genes will die with you. It's sad.
A friend, also childfree, says people with kids are envious of those
of us who have not had children. I think that many people have
children without realizing what they're in for.
Yep. People wouldn't have kids if we didn't instinctively want them.
I honestly don't know why a woman would want to suffer for nine months
at a time having so many children. Two would be enough. Women
shouldn't be expected to "pick up the slack" for other people. The
rate of increase of the world population may be slowing down but the
world population will still probably double in the next twenty to
thirty years and where will all those people live? How will they feed
themselves? Right now, it isn't you liberals who are being selfish
but us breeders who are selfishly overpopulating the planet and
expecting everybody to make way for our children.
I do get angry when I'm expected to "pick up the slack" for people who
go running out of work early because of their kids. A lot of times, I
refuse to do somebody else's work because their kid "has" to be
somewhere or "needs" something. Sorry, I have a life, too.
Just make sure you save up all your money for retirement. Too many of
us are relying on our kids to look after us. Mind you, it's only
fair, seeing as how they were damned expensive to raise.
Medusa
AA #2281
Martin
AA #2280
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| User: "Wexford" |
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27 Sep 2007 04:14:34 PM |
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On Sep 22, 7:00 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795122/posts
Kids R Not Us -- Embracing the decision not to procreate
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/4/7 | Katherine Seligman
Crapola snipped.
I guess I didn't get the memo. Had six children. They all vote
Democratic. Now, my Latino and Latina friends -- who are all democrats
-- love children. Generally they have three or more. They're
Democrats, too. In fact most minorities procreate more prolifically
than any white Republicans I know, and most minorities seem to vote
Democratic. Sure, some people don't have children, or at least don't
have them until middle age. So what? There have always been people who
disliked children or didn't want them. There are people, too, who drop
bombs on them, leave them limbless or burnt, or horribly scarred, yet
coldly turn their backs and gush about their own kids.
You know, I find it funny when SOT invokes Christianity to prove that
the meanness, war, selfishness and pettiness espoused by our Right
Wing brethern is somehow condoned by the teachings of the New
Testatment or, at least, speaks somehow to higher moral values. When
SOT gets into invoking children and using them as devices in its spew
of spurious, disgusting little tracts, I lose my sense of humor.
There's nothing here but vile propaganda, not even a claim so campy
and wild it can raise a smile.
I already have three grandchildren. I'd love to have 18 or 20 and see
them all raised as Liberals. Given the time and health, I'll do it to,
and I'll teach my dozens of nieces and nephews and their children the
camino real as well, and, I hope, we'll never have another leader who
condems us to useless wars and wanton destruction, who plunges us into
incredible debt to people who don't believe in freedom, and who
despises our Bill of Rights.
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