Religions > Atheism > Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!!
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20 Apr 2004 12:41:28 AM |
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Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's
*****!!!
Bush won the first count, Bush won the automatic recount, Bush won the
third count, the US SC puts an end to the fourth selective recount
ordered by the all left-wing liberal FL SC in four heavily democrat
counties ONLY, all the while the Gwhore team was trying to get
military absentee ballots THROWN OUT because Liberals HATE the
Military. Oh, but Bush stole the election!
Election Stats:
Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2,434
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
States won by Gore: 20
States won by Bush: 30
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
Liberals constantly make asses of themselves!
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 06:57:47 AM |
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(Yangs Place Here) wrote in message news:<99480506.0404192141.2f467ea5@posting.google.com>...
Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's
*****!!!
Bush won the first count, Bush won the automatic recount, Bush won the
third count, the US SC puts an end to the fourth selective recount
ordered by the all left-wing liberal FL SC in four heavily democrat
counties ONLY, all the while the Gwhore team was trying to get
military absentee ballots THROWN OUT because Liberals HATE the
Military. Oh, but Bush stole the election!
Election Stats:
Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2,434
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
States won by Gore: 20
States won by Bush: 30
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
Liberals constantly make asses of themselves!
That's what Confederates also thought after initial 'victories'.
Fort Sumter
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 10:27:23 PM |
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On 19 Apr 2004 22:41:28 -0700, (Yangs Place Here)
wrote:
Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's
*****!!!
Bush won the first count, Bush won the automatic recount, Bush won the
third count, the US SC puts an end to the fourth selective recount
ordered by the all left-wing liberal FL SC in four heavily democrat
counties ONLY, all the while the Gwhore team was trying to get
military absentee ballots THROWN OUT because Liberals HATE the
Military. Oh, but Bush stole the election!
Election Stats:
You left out one:
Actual votes received by Gore: 500,000 more than Bush.
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore'sass!!! |
20 Apr 2004 11:11:27 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
You left out one:
Actual votes received by Gore: 500,000 more than Bush.
You are forgetting right wing logic. Popular vote was only a point of
discussion 1n 1992 and 1996.
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 06:13:29 AM |
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
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raven1 wrote:
You left out one:
Actual votes received by Gore: 500,000 more than Bush.
You are forgetting right wing logic. Popular vote was only a point of
discussion 1n 1992 and 1996.
That "logic" is what has fired all the desperation in this campaign.. In
addition to the popular vote being more than a half million votes more than
Bush could muster, and after all the jobs he has cost the country, Rove and
company are counting .. That is not to mention all the other ***** ups Bush
has pulled during his time in office..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
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| User: "shiva h. vishnu" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 03:02:53 AM |
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Where did you get these numbers from, the stats I always read on 2000
election had Gore winning the popular vote by 500,000 more votes then
Bush got
On 19 Apr 2004 22:41:28 -0700, (Yangs Place Here)
wrote:
Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's
*****!!!
Bush won the first count, Bush won the automatic recount, Bush won the
third count, the US SC puts an end to the fourth selective recount
ordered by the all left-wing liberal FL SC in four heavily democrat
counties ONLY, all the while the Gwhore team was trying to get
military absentee ballots THROWN OUT because Liberals HATE the
Military. Oh, but Bush stole the election!
Election Stats:
Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2,434
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
States won by Gore: 20
States won by Bush: 30
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
Liberals constantly make asses of themselves!
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| User: "Liberals_HATE`America" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 12:19:13 PM |
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"shiva h. vishnu" <sendvirushere@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Where did you get these numbers from, the stats I always read on 2000
election had Gore winning the popular vote by 500,000 more votes then
Bush got
And does that elect the president? No. In 1992 58,000,000 of the people
voted AGAINST the Impeached Rapist yet he became our first sexual predator
president with only 45,000,000 votes because he got the most electoral
votes. You see, when the EC works in the neo-coms favor you're quiet as a
mouse and defend the system. When it goes against the neo-coms you scream
bloody murder.
Rapist: 44,909,326 (43.0%)
Bush: 39,103,882 (37.4%)
Perot: 19,741,657 (18.9%)
Liberals HATE America!
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"Look at the murdering thugs in US military uniforms
storming through Iraq, murdering as they go."
- Jefferson Brady, Proud America-Hating, left-wing Liberal Democrat
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| User: "sparkup" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 03:48:13 AM |
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"shiva h. vishnu" <sendvirushere@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Where did you get these numbers from, the stats I always read on 2000
election had Gore winning the popular vote by 500,000 more votes then
Bush got
He made the figures up.
Now stop feeding the trolls.
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 06:07:31 AM |
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"shiva h. vishnu" <sendvirushere@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Where did you get these numbers from, the stats I always read on 2000
election had Gore winning the popular vote by 500,000 more votes then
Bush got
More precisely,
Number of votes for Albert Gore: 50,999,897
Number of votes for George Bush: 50,456,002
That's more than half a million votes, and for some reason I think it's more
importantant than the "abandoned wilderness vote"
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
Alun Harford
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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20 Apr 2004 06:50:42 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:07:31 +0100, "Alun Harford"
<alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote:
"shiva h. vishnu" <sendvirushere@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:j7m9801c5il7v65gqlsjrkrpo5ko6qggla@4ax.com...
Where did you get these numbers from, the stats I always read on 2000
election had Gore winning the popular vote by 500,000 more votes then
Bush got
More precisely,
Number of votes for Albert Gore: 50,999,897
Number of votes for George Bush: 50,456,002
That's more than half a million votes, and for some reason I think it's more
importantant than the "abandoned wilderness vote"
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
Alun Harford
Ain't the electoral college a *****? I wonder if the roles had been
reversed if you all would be bitching as loud about Gore? Most likely
not. You only complain about the system when it doesn't give you your
desired results.
This issue has been beaten like a dead horse for the past three years.
What exactly do you expect to accomplish by continuously crying about
it? You gonna get the constitution rewritten by bitching in usenet?
LOL
Regards
Starkiller©
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| User: "Liberals_HATE`America" |
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20 Apr 2004 12:19:14 PM |
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"Starkiller©" <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote in message
Ain't the electoral college a *****? I wonder if the roles had been
reversed if you all would be bitching as loud about Gore? Most likely
not. You only complain about the system when it doesn't give you your
desired results.
It worked for the neo-coms in 1992 and they had no problem with it. In 1992
58,000,000 of the people
voted AGAINST the Impeached Rapist yet he became our first sexual predator
president with only 45,000,000 votes because he got the most electoral
votes.
Rapist: 44,909,326 (43.0%)
Bush: 39,103,882 (37.4%)
Perot: 19,741,657 (18.9%)
Liberals HATE America!
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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20 Apr 2004 09:11:54 AM |
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"Starkiller©" <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote in message
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Ain't the electoral college a *****? I wonder if the roles had been
reversed if you all would be bitching as loud about Gore? Most likely
not. You only complain about the system when it doesn't give you your
desired results.
This issue has been beaten like a dead horse for the past three years.
What exactly do you expect to accomplish by continuously crying about
it? You gonna get the constitution rewritten by bitching in usenet?
LOL
Not my problem.
I'm not American.
I'm simply saying that the US election was not free and fair.
At least Americans will be able to look back in 50 years time and say, "At
least we didn't elect him."
Alun Harford
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| User: "Al" |
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20 Apr 2004 01:14:20 PM |
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"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<c63b3i$rm7$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
"Starkiller©" <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote in message
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Ain't the electoral college a *****? I wonder if the roles had been
reversed if you all would be bitching as loud about Gore? Most likely
not. You only complain about the system when it doesn't give you your
desired results.
This issue has been beaten like a dead horse for the past three years.
What exactly do you expect to accomplish by continuously crying about
it? You gonna get the constitution rewritten by bitching in usenet?
LOL
Not my problem.
I'm not American.
However, the Big Mac moves you. Be it in a positive or negative
direction, America's influence on you, only in some cases, is preceded
by that of your own country. That's why you're here.
I find it interesting that other countries hunger for our junk
culture, the most mundane and ordinary elements the freest society on
Earth yields, yet they are incapable of comprehending the elements of
our society that made it possible to put a Starbucks in Trafalgar
square.
America is happening to you. It will continue to happen to you until
you realize the government doesn't give you your freedom.
I'm simply saying that the US election was not free and fair.
At least Americans will be able to look back in 50 years time and say, "At
least we didn't elect him."
"We" never elect our presidents. Our founding fathers knew that
mob-rule democracies are short lived.
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 05:43:39 PM |
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"Al" <caddyshack_al@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Not my problem.
I'm not American.
However, the Big Mac moves you. Be it in a positive or negative
direction, America's influence on you, only in some cases, is preceded
by that of your own country. That's why you're here.
No I'm not. I'm posting in alt.atheism, X-posting with the origional thread
in mind.
You overstate the importance of your own country in a very big way - it's
not uncommon all around the world.
I find it interesting that other countries hunger for our junk
culture,
No, you simply choose to believe it.
the most mundane and ordinary elements the freest society on
Earth yields,
So few Americans know what freedom is it would be funny if it weren't so
scary.
America is happening to you. It will continue to happen to you until
you realize the government doesn't give you your freedom.
Like I said.
Does this 'freedom' involve Guantánamo Bay?
Does this 'freedom' involve death sentences imposed under state and federal
laws, police brutality, deaths in custody and ill-treatment in prisons and
jails?
Does this 'freedom' involve threats of conscription?
"We" never elect our presidents. Our founding fathers knew that
mob-rule democracies are short lived.
The only long-lived democracy I can think of is Iceland (about 950 to
present day IIRC), which is (IIRC) "mob-rule".
Guess the people ARE responsible enough to elect their own rulers. Or is
this another example of American 'freedom'?
Alun Harford
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
20 Apr 2004 09:27:05 PM |
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"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<c64937$m1b$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
"Al" <caddyshack_al@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Not my problem.
I'm not American.
However, the Big Mac moves you. Be it in a positive or negative
direction, America's influence on you, only in some cases, is preceded
by that of your own country. That's why you're here.
No I'm not. I'm posting in alt.atheism, X-posting with the origional thread
in mind.
You're interested in American politics because America dominates the
world. There was nothing about atheism in your post.
You overstate the importance of your own country in a very big way - it's
not uncommon all around the world.
That's what I said. American culture, including poor language and
double negatives, are common throughout the world. I don't overstate
America's importance. We are the world's economic locomotive.
I find it interesting that other countries hunger for our junk
culture,
No, you simply choose to believe it.
You should go into town more often. Take the Ford. Listen to some Rap
on the radio. You'll be able to eat American food and watch American
movies.
the most mundane and ordinary elements the freest society on
Earth yields,
So few Americans know what freedom is it would be funny if it weren't so
scary.
You may call black, white. It doesn't make it so. We are the freest
nation on Earth.
America is happening to you. It will continue to happen to you until
you realize the government doesn't give you your freedom.
Like I said.
Does this 'freedom' involve Guantánamo Bay?
Does this 'freedom' involve death sentences imposed under state and federal
laws, police brutality, deaths in custody and ill-treatment in prisons and
jails?
As a society, we retain the freedom to protect ourselves.
Does this 'freedom' involve threats of conscription?
It also includes a free press that may say just about anything they
want including "threats of conscription."
"We" never elect our presidents. Our founding fathers knew that
mob-rule democracies are short lived.
The only long-lived democracy I can think of is Iceland (about 950 to
present day IIRC), which is (IIRC) "mob-rule".
Of course it's not. You're ignorant. Iceland is a constitutional
republic.
Guess the people ARE responsible enough to elect their own rulers. Or is
this another example of American 'freedom'?
We don't have "rulers" in America. I hope yours set your chains
lightly upon you.
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| User: "gemutlichkeit" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 04:16:42 PM |
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On 20 Apr 2004 11:14:20 -0700, (Al) wrote:
I'm simply saying that the US election was not free and fair.
At least Americans will be able to look back in 50 years time and say, "At
least we didn't elect him."
"We" never elect our presidents. Our founding fathers knew that
mob-rule democracies are short lived.
The "mob-rule" Democracies of Europe, and the "huge mob-rule"
Democracy of India seem to be functioning quite nicely without
Electoral Colleges, thank you. Couldn't be our Founding Fathers made
an error in creating the Electoral College, could it. Nah, they never
made any mistakes and everything they did was 100% perfect, right
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 04:33:44 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:16:42 GMT, gemutlichkeit
<yournamehere@spamblackhole.org> wrote:
On 20 Apr 2004 11:14:20 -0700, (Al) wrote:
I'm simply saying that the US election was not free and fair.
At least Americans will be able to look back in 50 years time and say, "At
least we didn't elect him."
"We" never elect our presidents. Our founding fathers knew that
mob-rule democracies are short lived.
The "mob-rule" Democracies of Europe, and the "huge mob-rule"
Democracy of India seem to be functioning quite nicely without
Electoral Colleges, thank you. Couldn't be our Founding Fathers made
an error in creating the Electoral College, could it. Nah, they never
made any mistakes and everything they did was 100% perfect, right
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
Regards
Starkiller©
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 05:11:55 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
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| User: "Neal Atkins" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 05:33:28 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
Blah, blah, blah. Where's HRH Hillary's CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT she
"promised" to bring to do away with the Electoral College? Oh, that's
right, she's busy running for PRes in 08'.
Well, maybe another of your political heros can bring it up? Like
Daschole. I'm sure S. Dakota would like to throw away it's influence
in a national election? Harry Reid? Nevada don't need no stinkin'
influence. Where's Harry?
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 08:41:07 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:33:28 GMT, (Neal Atkins)
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
Blah, blah, blah. Where's HRH Hillary's CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT she
"promised" to bring to do away with the Electoral College? Oh, that's
right, she's busy running for PRes in 08'.
Well, maybe another of your political heros can bring it up? Like
Daschole. I'm sure S. Dakota would like to throw away it's influence
in a national election? Harry Reid? Nevada don't need no stinkin'
influence. Where's Harry?
You make a lot of assumptions about my political views based on a
one-sentence observation of mine, which did not advocate either
position. Fascinating.
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 06:06:37 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
If it's good enough for Presidential elections then why not everything
else? Seems kind of strange that you want direct election of the
president but want to hold on to representative government which quite
often goes against the majority of the voters opinions.
Another question does come to mind. What to do in the event a
candidate does not obtain a 51% majority? Surely you also want to
eliminate that Congress picking the winner thing as well yes?
Regards
Starkiller©
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 08:47:32 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:06:37 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
If it's good enough for Presidential elections then why not everything
else? Seems kind of strange that you want direct election of the
president but want to hold on to representative government which quite
often goes against the majority of the voters opinions.
Excuse me? Please note above that I did not offer an opinion on either
issue. I was making a simple statement of fact about what was being
asked, yet you're the second person to try to tell me what my opinions
are based on that. Interesting.
Another question does come to mind. What to do in the event a
candidate does not obtain a 51% majority? Surely you also want to
eliminate that Congress picking the winner thing as well yes?
Why don't you tell me, since you're apparently already a mind reader?
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| User: "gemutlichkeit" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
22 Apr 2004 07:29:55 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
Thanks
That was the point I was trying to make. All that other stuff he put
out is a smoke screen. General democracy by popular vote (one-man, one
vote) works fine for general elections. Personally I prefer a
Parliamentary system along the lines of England's over our system, but
what are you going to do, ours works as well as it does.
But the Electoral College mistake is easy to fix, and we need to get
to work eliminating it to prevent future fiascos like the 2000
presidential election from ever happening again.
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
22 Apr 2004 07:48:19 PM |
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"gemutlichkeit" <yournamehere@spamblackhole.org> wrote in message
news:anog805jihelimdrekc772lt5k989c5mce@4ax.com...
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
Thanks
That was the point I was trying to make. All that other stuff he put
out is a smoke screen. General democracy by popular vote (one-man, one
vote) works fine for general elections. Personally I prefer a
Parliamentary system along the lines of England's over our system, but
what are you going to do, ours works as well as it does.
But the Electoral College mistake is easy to fix, and we need to get
to work eliminating it to prevent future fiascos like the 2000
presidential election from ever happening again.
No matter what system is in place, there will be those who are corrupt and
devious enough to manipulate that system in their favor.. That is what
happened in 2000 in Florida and will happen over and over again until the
voters in this country come to their senses and remove them from office.. If
you believe that Florida was "only" a fiasco and blame the system for the
failure, you are not seeing the true picture.. George Bush is not a
phenomenom that just happened .. He has been carefully fabricated and
programmed to do exactly what he is doing.. Corruption is ingrained deeply
in some of the men in office in our country.. Our election system and the
Electoral College is not broken.. The men who have learned how to manipulate
it are broken.. They are totally corrupt.. and must be displaced and run out
of office.. The integrity of our elected officials must be of the highest
priority as we cast our votes for each of them..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
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| User: "Neal Atkins" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
22 Apr 2004 11:16:36 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:48:19 GMT, "Bill Walker"
<bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
The integrity of our elected officials must be of the highest
priority as we cast our votes for each of them..
Then why are you promoting Baby Killer Kerry, billi boi?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 05:26:22 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
You called for direct democracy. That's what it is.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 08:37:41 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:26:22 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:11:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:44 -0500, Starkiller©
<NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
Would your "mob rule" work in a multicultural society? Would the
civil rights act of 1964 have passed if put to popular vote? Would
the US have ever entered WWII if left to a popular vote? What about
womens rights, equal employment, etc etc. In homogenous societies
such as those mentioned it is easy for the people to vote on all
issues as the issues at hand usually have the same effect on all. In
the US you have a majority of white anglo-europeans with a multitude
of minorities.
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if
left up to a popular vote? Most likely not.
I don't see where anyone was asking for the people to vote on all
issues at hand, just for the President to be elected by direct popular
vote instead of through the Electoral College.
You called for direct democracy. That's what it is.
I did no such thing, nor is it clear to me where anyone else did. The
topic of conversation was the Electoral College.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 09:52:15 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:37:41 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
You called for direct democracy. That's what it is.
I did no such thing, nor is it clear to me where anyone else did. The
topic of conversation was the Electoral College.
Someone used the phrase.
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 05:46:57 PM |
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Starkiller© <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if left up
to a popular vote? Most likely not.
When was prayer in school outlawed?
--
"Maybe the mothers of our nation should remind us
That we're sitting too close
To the television"
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
21 Apr 2004 06:12:27 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:46:57 -0700, usenet@mile23.com.r3m0v3 (Paul
Mitchum) wrote:
Starkiller© <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if left up
to a popular vote? Most likely not.
When was prayer in school outlawed?
You know what I'm referring to. The case brought by O'Hare way back
when. Not outlawing prayer by the individual student(although I see
children getting expelled or reprimanded for that very thing all the
time) But the outlawing of the "class prayer" every morning. As well
as the prayers that were made via the PA at school events.
Regards
Starkiller©
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals still can't get over it that George Bush kicked Al Gore's *****!!! |
22 Apr 2004 11:55:18 AM |
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In seattle.politics Starkiller? <NoSpamStarkiller@white-star.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:46:57 -0700, usenet@mile23.com.r3m0v3 (Paul
Mitchum) wrote:
Starkiller? <NoSpamStarkiller@White-Star.com> wrote:
One more side note: Would prayer in schools ever been outlawed if left up
to a popular vote? Most likely not.
When was prayer in school outlawed?
You know what I'm referring to. The case brought by O'Hare way back
when. Not outlawing prayer by the individual student(although I see
children getting expelled or reprimanded for that very thing all the
time)
All the time?
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Quote Of The Week: "Asking questions about the direction of our country is
patriotism." -- John Kerry.
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