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Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
Liberals: stop making movies, please
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/061127crci_cinema
LIBERAL EDUCATION
"Bobby," "Fast Food Nation," and "The History Boys."
by DAVID DENBY
Issue of 2006-11-27
Posted 2006-11-20
It's nice that liberals win elections now and then, but I'm not
sure they should be allowed to make movies. Two new pictures,
"Bobby" and "Fast Food Nation," inspired by the most humane
sympathies, and outfitted with impeccably progressive attitudes-no
one could disagree with a single notion in either film-are pretty
much a trial to sit through. Emilio Estevez's "Bobby" is an
imagining of everything that might have happened in the old Ambassador
Hotel in Los Angeles on June 4, 1968, the day that Senator Robert F.
Kennedy won the California primary, and during the early hours of June
5th, when he was assassinated in the hotel's kitchen. Estevez has
attempted a kind of political version of "Grand Hotel," the Greta
Garbo-John Barrymore kitsch classic from 1932, in which many
glamorous people swirl into the lobby of a de-luxe Berlin establishment
and trip across one another's destinies. In "Bobby," the Senator
is seen in newsreels and, occasionally, from the rear, as a figure
moving through the hotel. Yet the film is devoted not to him but to
such things as the marital difficulties of the hotel's hair stylist
and its manager (Sharon Stone and William H. Macy), the soft
meanderings in the lobby of two retired gents (Anthony Hopkins and
Harry Belafonte), the psychedelic misadventures of a pair of truant
campaign workers (Brian Geraghty and Shia LaBeouf) who get turned on by
a blissed-out dealer (Ashton Kutcher), and many other little tales,
starring Estevez himself, Demi Moore, Christian Slater, Heather Graham,
Martin Sheen, Helen Hunt, Elijah Wood, and several more. The
intersecting stories are meant to suggest the range of American
character types, base and noble, and also the scattered impulses of
vanity, fear, and idealism that Bobby Kennedy, who understood so much
of the country's discord in 1968, might have reconciled and
harmonized in a Presidential campaign. The movie says, "He was all of
us; he could have healed us." But, of course, he wasn't, and, very
likely, he couldn't have.
Estevez has made a vague gesture at a large, metaphoric structure
without having the dramatic means to achieve it. His choreography of
the panic and misery in the hotel after the shooting is impressive, and
some of the actors do fine in their brief roles. But his script never
rises above earnest banality, and we are constantly being taught little
lessons in tolerance and humanity: Laurence Fishburne, as a sous-chef
channelling Martin Luther King, Jr., exudes calm wisdom in a dispute
with a Latino kitchen employee; Lindsay Lohan, marrying a boy she
barely knows in order to keep him out of combat, is wide-eyed and
trusting. The practice of casting a gang of well-known actors in tiny
parts can be fun if the actors do something witty, but Estevez squeezes
them for pathos and heartbreak. Didn't anyone tell him that you
can't throw a celebrity-movie party around such an event as an
assassination? The triviality of the device doesn't match the
seriousness of the subject. As it happens, I saw Kennedy address a
largely Latino crowd in San Jose the week of the primary. He was great
that night, both princely and warm, and, for anyone who heard him in
those final days, the movie will recall his powers of empathy and moral
alertness. In 1968, he was a young man with a not always honorable past
and some marvellous new instincts; he was smart, calculating, at times
melancholy, at times optimistic. But he was essentially unfinished.
Robert Kennedy was fascinating, yet there's something peculiarly
naive and even desperate about clinging to the tentative possibilities
that he held out as the quality of hope that has eluded us for almost
forty years.
Eric Schlosser's 2001 book, "Fast Food Nation," was a scathing
look at the way that McDonald's, Burger King, and the other chains
have afflicted the culture and morale, as well as the diet and health,
of this country. The fiction that Schlosser and the director Richard
Linklater have extracted from the book is a mess, with narrative lines
that go astray or simply wind up in the air, and sizable blocks of
verbal exposition in which one character or another holds forth on the
sins of the meatpackers or of the restaurants themselves. The most
important plot line concerns some attractive young Mexicans who cross
the border illegally and wind up, exploited and mangled, in a huge
slaughterhouse in Cody, Colorado. The scenes of the abattoir are
dismaying in the tradition of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," but
the movie is halfhearted, fragmentary, unachieved. Both "Bobby" and
"Fast Food Nation" were conceived at a moment, perhaps, when
liberals were unable to tell stories, so deep was their despair.
Looking at these screwed-up movies, even a conservative might say that
it's time for liberals to pull themselves together and begin their
narrative anew."The History Boys" is alive on the screen. The
director Nicholas Hytner, who staged the original production of Alan
Bennett's play for the National Theatre in London, shot the movie
quickly, in five weeks during the summer of 2005, just before the play
went on tour. Revved by the stage performances, the cast courses
through the material with disciplined exuberance-especially the eight
young actors at the center of the drama, many of whom have never
appeared in a film before. A few of the early reviews complained that
the movie version is no more than a filmed play, which is beside the
point. Bennett's conceit is that the classroom is a theatre. In his
classroom, learning is acquired as much through performance as through
study; wit is a form of action, and music and poetry create and release
emotions too private to be spoken. The setting is Yorkshire in the
nineteen-eighties-a grammar school at which a group of eight boys,
seven of them very bright, are being prepped for the mind-crushing
exams that could lead to a place at Oxford or Cambridge. The eight are
neither jocular aristos nor resentful proles but hardworking, solidly
middle-class kids. Yet status certainly matters to them. For the boys,
and for the school's ambitious headmaster, Oxbridge remains the gold
standard. The question is: By what means shall they get there? By rote
study? By mastering exam-taking tricks? Or by love of knowledge? For
these boys, theatricality is a means to self-realization, and, for
Hytner, honoring the play's artifice is the best way to get to the
heart of the matter.
No actual classrooms, I imagine, have ever been as animated as these.
The boys talk back to their teachers, and everyone seems familiar with
the details of everyone else's private life. Inarticulateness
doesn't exist; even the lone dunce explains his slowness vividly.
This is what we want in a film about learning: not humdrum stammer and
error but brilliant shenanigans, with everyone leaping, bodily and
intellectually, around the room, and all eight students competing to be
the brightest boy-that is, the best actor-in class. In part, what
goes on is licensed by the unorthodox pedagogy of the movie's hero,
Hector (Richard Griffiths), a portly, sixtyish English master who runs
a class in General Studies. Hector teaches only one subject, poetry;
the rest of his discourse is dedicated to the education of souls. Among
the boys rising to Hector's challenge are the chubby clown, Timms
(James Corden); the cunning, dark-eyed seducer, Dakin (Dominic Cooper),
who has benevolent as well as cynical tendencies; and the
smooth-cheeked Posner (Samuel Barnett), who's physically less mature
than the other boys and hopelessly in love with Dakin. In the
classroom, Posner sings Rodgers and Hart's "Bewitched" in a high,
unbroken voice; he's like a Shakespearean boy actor offering
plaintive Elizabethan ballads in the interludes between action. His
unrequited love brings him close to Hector, who carries an aura of
melancholy and mortality around with him. The boys adore their teacher,
so they wearily put up with his habit of groping them when they ride
home on the back of his motorcycle-it's merely the price of being
his student. The movie is imbued with a shrugging acceptance of
homosexual longing; Hector is not so much a predator as a lonely old
man (he's married, sort of), and Richard Griffiths, cranky,
red-faced, and eloquent, makes him a wounded humanist not quite at bay.
Hector's antagonist is a new man, the young Irwin (Steven Campbell
Moore), who teaches the boys how to summarize historical periods with
easy-to-remember categories and ready-made quotes. Irwin is a kind of
clever highbrow trot. He acquaints the students with the power of
perversity. In order to gain the attention of a tired exam-paper
reader, he says, take the received wisdom and turn it inside out: make
Hitler or Stalin sympathetic. Interest, in the Irwin doctrine, is more
important than truth. Irwin was made for television, not for teaching,
and Bennett appears to be using him to vent his disgust at
hyper-articulate prime-time historians who are overly fond of clever
paradox. Not that truth is a unitary and certifiable phenomenon-I
don't think Bennett would say that. On the contrary, the movie
advocates the limited but powerful truth-telling of poetry, as well as
ordinary decency and plain speaking. Auden, Larkin, and Orwell are its
gods, but only Alan Bennett could have melded the spirit of those three
into an entertainment about education. If pleasure is the ultimate
teacher, Bennett and his faithful director, Hytner, are superlative
pedagogues.
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13 Dec 2006 08:09:08 PM |
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As terrible as their movies are, their "comedians" are even worse. I've
never seen a more humorless group.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/061127crci_cinema
LIBERAL EDUCATION
"Bobby," "Fast Food Nation," and "The History Boys."
by DAVID DENBY
Issue of 2006-11-27
Posted 2006-11-20
It's nice that liberals win elections now and then, but I'm not
sure they should be allowed to make movies. Two new pictures,
"Bobby" and "Fast Food Nation," inspired by the most humane
sympathies, and outfitted with impeccably progressive attitudes-no
one could disagree with a single notion in either film-are pretty
much a trial to sit through. Emilio Estevez's "Bobby" is an
imagining of everything that might have happened in the old Ambassador
Hotel in Los Angeles on June 4, 1968, the day that Senator Robert F.
Kennedy won the California primary, and during the early hours of June
5th, when he was assassinated in the hotel's kitchen. Estevez has
attempted a kind of political version of "Grand Hotel," the Greta
Garbo-John Barrymore kitsch classic from 1932, in which many
glamorous people swirl into the lobby of a de-luxe Berlin establishment
and trip across one another's destinies. In "Bobby," the Senator
is seen in newsreels and, occasionally, from the rear, as a figure
moving through the hotel. Yet the film is devoted not to him but to
such things as the marital difficulties of the hotel's hair stylist
and its manager (Sharon Stone and William H. Macy), the soft
meanderings in the lobby of two retired gents (Anthony Hopkins and
Harry Belafonte), the psychedelic misadventures of a pair of truant
campaign workers (Brian Geraghty and Shia LaBeouf) who get turned on by
a blissed-out dealer (Ashton Kutcher), and many other little tales,
starring Estevez himself, Demi Moore, Christian Slater, Heather Graham,
Martin Sheen, Helen Hunt, Elijah Wood, and several more. The
intersecting stories are meant to suggest the range of American
character types, base and noble, and also the scattered impulses of
vanity, fear, and idealism that Bobby Kennedy, who understood so much
of the country's discord in 1968, might have reconciled and
harmonized in a Presidential campaign. The movie says, "He was all of
us; he could have healed us." But, of course, he wasn't, and, very
likely, he couldn't have.
Estevez has made a vague gesture at a large, metaphoric structure
without having the dramatic means to achieve it. His choreography of
the panic and misery in the hotel after the shooting is impressive, and
some of the actors do fine in their brief roles. But his script never
rises above earnest banality, and we are constantly being taught little
lessons in tolerance and humanity: Laurence Fishburne, as a sous-chef
channelling Martin Luther King, Jr., exudes calm wisdom in a dispute
with a Latino kitchen employee; Lindsay Lohan, marrying a boy she
barely knows in order to keep him out of combat, is wide-eyed and
trusting. The practice of casting a gang of well-known actors in tiny
parts can be fun if the actors do something witty, but Estevez squeezes
them for pathos and heartbreak. Didn't anyone tell him that you
can't throw a celebrity-movie party around such an event as an
assassination? The triviality of the device doesn't match the
seriousness of the subject. As it happens, I saw Kennedy address a
largely Latino crowd in San Jose the week of the primary. He was great
that night, both princely and warm, and, for anyone who heard him in
those final days, the movie will recall his powers of empathy and moral
alertness. In 1968, he was a young man with a not always honorable past
and some marvellous new instincts; he was smart, calculating, at times
melancholy, at times optimistic. But he was essentially unfinished.
Robert Kennedy was fascinating, yet there's something peculiarly
naive and even desperate about clinging to the tentative possibilities
that he held out as the quality of hope that has eluded us for almost
forty years.
Eric Schlosser's 2001 book, "Fast Food Nation," was a scathing
look at the way that McDonald's, Burger King, and the other chains
have afflicted the culture and morale, as well as the diet and health,
of this country. The fiction that Schlosser and the director Richard
Linklater have extracted from the book is a mess, with narrative lines
that go astray or simply wind up in the air, and sizable blocks of
verbal exposition in which one character or another holds forth on the
sins of the meatpackers or of the restaurants themselves. The most
important plot line concerns some attractive young Mexicans who cross
the border illegally and wind up, exploited and mangled, in a huge
slaughterhouse in Cody, Colorado. The scenes of the abattoir are
dismaying in the tradition of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," but
the movie is halfhearted, fragmentary, unachieved. Both "Bobby" and
"Fast Food Nation" were conceived at a moment, perhaps, when
liberals were unable to tell stories, so deep was their despair.
Looking at these screwed-up movies, even a conservative might say that
it's time for liberals to pull themselves together and begin their
narrative anew."The History Boys" is alive on the screen. The
director Nicholas Hytner, who staged the original production of Alan
Bennett's play for the National Theatre in London, shot the movie
quickly, in five weeks during the summer of 2005, just before the play
went on tour. Revved by the stage performances, the cast courses
through the material with disciplined exuberance-especially the eight
young actors at the center of the drama, many of whom have never
appeared in a film before. A few of the early reviews complained that
the movie version is no more than a filmed play, which is beside the
point. Bennett's conceit is that the classroom is a theatre. In his
classroom, learning is acquired as much through performance as through
study; wit is a form of action, and music and poetry create and release
emotions too private to be spoken. The setting is Yorkshire in the
nineteen-eighties-a grammar school at which a group of eight boys,
seven of them very bright, are being prepped for the mind-crushing
exams that could lead to a place at Oxford or Cambridge. The eight are
neither jocular aristos nor resentful proles but hardworking, solidly
middle-class kids. Yet status certainly matters to them. For the boys,
and for the school's ambitious headmaster, Oxbridge remains the gold
standard. The question is: By what means shall they get there? By rote
study? By mastering exam-taking tricks? Or by love of knowledge? For
these boys, theatricality is a means to self-realization, and, for
Hytner, honoring the play's artifice is the best way to get to the
heart of the matter.
No actual classrooms, I imagine, have ever been as animated as these.
The boys talk back to their teachers, and everyone seems familiar with
the details of everyone else's private life. Inarticulateness
doesn't exist; even the lone dunce explains his slowness vividly.
This is what we want in a film about learning: not humdrum stammer and
error but brilliant shenanigans, with everyone leaping, bodily and
intellectually, around the room, and all eight students competing to be
the brightest boy-that is, the best actor-in class. In part, what
goes on is licensed by the unorthodox pedagogy of the movie's hero,
Hector (Richard Griffiths), a portly, sixtyish English master who runs
a class in General Studies. Hector teaches only one subject, poetry;
the rest of his discourse is dedicated to the education of souls. Among
the boys rising to Hector's challenge are the chubby clown, Timms
(James Corden); the cunning, dark-eyed seducer, Dakin (Dominic Cooper),
who has benevolent as well as cynical tendencies; and the
smooth-cheeked Posner (Samuel Barnett), who's physically less mature
than the other boys and hopelessly in love with Dakin. In the
classroom, Posner sings Rodgers and Hart's "Bewitched" in a high,
unbroken voice; he's like a Shakespearean boy actor offering
plaintive Elizabethan ballads in the interludes between action. His
unrequited love brings him close to Hector, who carries an aura of
melancholy and mortality around with him. The boys adore their teacher,
so they wearily put up with his habit of groping them when they ride
home on the back of his motorcycle-it's merely the price of being
his student. The movie is imbued with a shrugging acceptance of
homosexual longing; Hector is not so much a predator as a lonely old
man (he's married, sort of), and Richard Griffiths, cranky,
red-faced, and eloquent, makes him a wounded humanist not quite at bay.
Hector's antagonist is a new man, the young Irwin (Steven Campbell
Moore), who teaches the boys how to summarize historical periods with
easy-to-remember categories and ready-made quotes. Irwin is a kind of
clever highbrow trot. He acquaints the students with the power of
perversity. In order to gain the attention of a tired exam-paper
reader, he says, take the received wisdom and turn it inside out: make
Hitler or Stalin sympathetic. Interest, in the Irwin doctrine, is more
important than truth. Irwin was made for television, not for teaching,
and Bennett appears to be using him to vent his disgust at
hyper-articulate prime-time historians who are overly fond of clever
paradox. Not that truth is a unitary and certifiable phenomenon-I
don't think Bennett would say that. On the contrary, the movie
advocates the limited but powerful truth-telling of poetry, as well as
ordinary decency and plain speaking. Auden, Larkin, and Orwell are its
gods, but only Alan Bennett could have melded the spirit of those three
into an entertainment about education. If pleasure is the ultimate
teacher, Bennett and his faithful director, Hytner, are superlative
pedagogues.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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13 Dec 2006 10:40:47 PM |
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On 13 Dec 2006 18:09:08 -0800, wrote:
As terrible as their movies are, their "comedians" are even worse. I've
never seen a more humorless group.
Appreciating humor requires intelligence, a quality neocons sorely
lack.
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13 Dec 2006 01:21:17 AM |
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In article <1165959465.477962.194480@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
Ideologues, stop spamming Usenet groups with off-topic postings, please.
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13 Dec 2006 07:36:36 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 13:37:45 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
SOT: go ***** yourself, please.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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12 Dec 2006 06:49:52 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(sound_of_trumpet@myway.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
What's the matter, dumbass, are the bad liberals forcing you to watch them?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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12 Dec 2006 03:44:44 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/061127crci_cinema
LIBERAL EDUCATION
"Bobby," "Fast Food Nation," and "The History Boys."
(...What, did we go to SEE them, or something?)
Derek Janssen (did I miss it?) 0_o?
ejanss@comcast.net
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13 Dec 2006 01:35:04 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/061127crci_cinema
LIBERAL EDUCATION
"Bobby," "Fast Food Nation," and "The History Boys."
by DAVID DENBY
Issue of 2006-11-27
Posted 2006-11-20
Maybe liberals (actors) will stop making movies when conservatives
(actors) stop running for office.
Just a thougth,
Tom
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12 Dec 2006 06:24:25 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
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12 Dec 2006 06:29:38 PM |
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Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
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12 Dec 2006 10:46:35 PM |
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"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
Oh, I forgot....
We Jews are responsible for all the wars and trouble they had....., I forgot
about Gibson. He explained it all.....
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| User: "RichA" |
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13 Dec 2006 11:37:36 PM |
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Don Weinman wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
Oh, I forgot....
We Jews are responsible for all the wars and trouble they had....., I forgot
about Gibson. He explained it all.....
Liberals movies spring from those who create them. Who is Hollywood
predominated by?
Jews, and Jews as a group are overwhelmingly liberals.
This is not to say one political ideology is right or wrong, just that
it IS evident in most movies.
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| User: "Tom" |
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14 Dec 2006 12:31:04 AM |
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RichA wrote:
Don Weinman wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
Oh, I forgot....
We Jews are responsible for all the wars and trouble they had....., I forgot
about Gibson. He explained it all.....
Liberals movies spring from those who create them. Who is Hollywood
predominated by?
Jews, and Jews as a group are overwhelmingly liberals.
This is not to say one political ideology is right or wrong, just that
it IS evident in most movies.
First of all, you need to adjust your political compass. Jews are
predominantly conservative.
Second, I hear this argument about Hollywood and liberals over and over
with absolutely no substantiation.
A quick mental inventory will tell you many more former actors and
entertainers who are/were conservatives have been elected to office
than those who are liberals.
I'll give you a freebie... George Murray, R - Senator, California
I'll also eat a pile of dog turds if you can name more than one
actor/entertainer who was elected as a Democrat.
Tom
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| User: "Trey Harlow" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
13 Dec 2006 12:22:27 PM |
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"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans right before they started rounding em up.
Move to Iran. You'll love it there.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
13 Dec 2006 01:39:57 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:22:27 GMT, "Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans
Except the Germans were literate.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear
to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
- Thomas Paine
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
13 Dec 2006 01:56:46 PM |
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In article <dnl0o2tspe4i6n0oov99jpq0ch6fe3kmbq@4ax.com> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:22:27 GMT, "Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans
Except the Germans were literate.
And they made great quam beer, too.
-- cary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
13 Dec 2006 02:30:58 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <dnl0o2tspe4i6n0oov99jpq0ch6fe3kmbq@4ax.com> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:22:27 GMT, "Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Auntie Lib wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
"Liberals" don't decide what movies get made. Companies do. And those
companies are almost overwhelmingly run by white, rich, tight-assed
conservatives.
They make decisions based on what has made money in the past and what
they think will make money in the future. If you don't like the movies
being produced today stop going to see them. ('Cuz we all know
"right-thinking" folks don't like the small minority of libruls who are
ruining this world for everybody else so those nasty libruls couldn't
possibly account for all the ticket sales for "Borat." Quite a few
conservatives went to see it too. Come on, you know they did.)
elizabeth
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans
Except the Germans were literate.
And they made great quam beer, too.
Hey! I make great beer too.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear
to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
- Thomas Paine
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Tom Murray" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
14 Dec 2006 02:01:06 AM |
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In article <cno0o2d1bl79eqd98rnhj9k8jjqp8m2bli@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <dnl0o2tspe4i6n0oov99jpq0ch6fe3kmbq@4ax.com> Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:22:27 GMT, "Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans
Except the Germans were literate.
And they made great quam beer, too.
Hey! I make great beer too.
You realize you just admitted to being a German don't you? Oh the
humanity!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
14 Dec 2006 07:41:01 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:01:06 -0800, Tom Murray <qw@23233.234> wrote:
In article <cno0o2d1bl79eqd98rnhj9k8jjqp8m2bli@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <dnl0o2tspe4i6n0oov99jpq0ch6fe3kmbq@4ax.com> Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:22:27 GMT, "Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1165969778.109588.129610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Uh not anymore. Most movies are being made by Jews now and they dont
have any quams about selling anything to anyone at anytime as long as
it sells.
You sound just like the Germans
Except the Germans were literate.
And they made great quam beer, too.
Hey! I make great beer too.
You realize you just admitted to being a German don't you?
With a name like mine, denial is futile. :)
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, _A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion_, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
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| User: "Andrew F. Heil" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
12 Dec 2006 03:42:09 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
You could always simply decline to see the movies in question, rather
than whining and crying about them.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
13 Dec 2006 04:53:27 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 13:42:09 -0800, "Andrew F. Heil"
<andrewfheil2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Liberals: stop making movies, please
You could always simply decline to see the movies in question, rather
than whining and crying about them.
Whining and crying is all neocons know how to do.
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| User: "Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals: Stop Making Movies, Please |
14 Dec 2006 02:52:23 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
Whining and crying is all neocons know how to do.
And we all know how "The New Yorker" dittos the neocon party line . . .
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