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Library of Alexandria discovered? |
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest
thinkers and writers of the ancient world.
Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a
fire.
Oldest University
Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University
of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of
Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as
many as 5,000 students in total.
A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated
podium for the lecturer to stand on.
"It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been
uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he
added.
"It is perhaps the oldest university in the world."
The article continues at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3707641.stm
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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14 May 2004 05:41:41 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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14 May 2004 07:53:34 PM |
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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15 May 2004 01:36:18 AM |
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
Oh, yes. At least some of the plays, lectures and books (in scroll form)
that
we've only seen references to. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Plus stuff that
we
don't even know about. That would be incredible.
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 May 2004 08:41:55 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 02:36:18 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net>, Message ID:
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
Oh, yes. At least some of the plays, lectures and books (in scroll form)
that
we've only seen references to. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Plus stuff that
we
don't even know about. That would be incredible.
/cue BushCo
"Bah, books, burn them."
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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15 May 2004 03:17:05 PM |
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Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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17 May 2004 08:17:03 AM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of) that
the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic knowledge the
likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is second hand
knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy and Galens,
the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped Christian
dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age. Had the Library
continued in existence and those critics able to prove themselves right....
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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17 May 2004 05:11:51 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major
seat of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something
this preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic!
I hope they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the
real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However,
as great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in
wishing it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be
tragic. Just imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and
then lost for all those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we
might have been by now if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of)
that the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic
knowledge the likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century.
There is second hand knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics
of both Ptolemy and Galens, the astrologer and physician whose totally
incorrect works shaped Christian dogma on cosmology and medicine well in
to the Scientific Age. Had the Library continued in existence and those
critics able to prove themselves right....
Didn't it also host the works of Aristarchus, who proposed a heliocentric
solar system in the third century BCE?
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 May 2004 08:14:25 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 06:17:03 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <40A8BB4F.F5FC97C8@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of) that
the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic knowledge the
likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is second hand
knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy and Galens,
the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped Christian
dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age. Had the Library
continued in existence and those critics able to prove themselves right....
Thing is Galen was working within the imposed superstition industry
restrictions. He was able to by-pass those restrictions, somewhat, when
he took the physician position putting the gladiators back together.
I understand he damn near discovered the circulitory system. He
developed many devices and treatments which are still used today (with
some modification).
Recently it was discovered he even did cataract removal. Eye surgeons
identified one instrument which did that. Even the surgical instruments
today are almost identical.
I understand what's astonishing is how much he got right. He published
his findings all over the world so others could build on what he
started. It was the church, not Galen, who codified his works as dogma.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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17 May 2004 02:58:28 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 8:17:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A8BB4F.F5FC97C8@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
wrote in message news:40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of)
that the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic knowledge
the likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is second
hand knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy and
Galens, the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped
Christian dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age. Had
the Library continued in existence and those critics able to prove
themselves right....
Galens was not so incorrect. His biggest problem was that he wrote so much
that later physicians summarized his works, mostly by leaving out the
important parts. It was these summaries that the church practically turned
into gospel. But fortunately he wrote so much that much of his original
writings are still around. He was not so much "totally incorrect" as totally
taken out of context and so far ahead of his contemporaries that later
physicians looked at him is the last word, not to be disagreed.
I think Galen would have been quite ***** at how those who followed him
for the first couple of hundred years took his (summarized) word as gospel.
He was so prolific, and so long-lived, that he became the unquestionable
authority.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"God hates figs."
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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17 May 2004 03:10:03 PM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 8:17:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A8BB4F.F5FC97C8@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
wrote in message news:40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of)
that the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic knowledge
the likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is second
hand knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy and
Galens, the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped
Christian dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age. Had
the Library continued in existence and those critics able to prove
themselves right....
Galens was not so incorrect. His biggest problem was that he wrote so much
that later physicians summarized his works, mostly by leaving out the
important parts. It was these summaries that the church practically turned
into gospel. But fortunately he wrote so much that much of his original
writings are still around. He was not so much "totally incorrect" as totally
taken out of context and so far ahead of his contemporaries that later
physicians looked at him is the last word, not to be disagreed.
I think Galen would have been quite ***** at how those who followed him
for the first couple of hundred years took his (summarized) word as gospel.
He was so prolific, and so long-lived, that he became the unquestionable
authority.
I haven't researched Galen very much, so I will concede the point. All I know is
that he was ultimately responsible for the medical application of "bleeding"
patients, using leeches and the horrid system of "humors" that led to so much
suffering and pain even in the face of observable fact.
"God hates figs."
I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't God
have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Library of Alexandria discovered? |
17 May 2004 06:10:17 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
"Harry F. Leopold" wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 8:17:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A8BB4F.F5FC97C8@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
wrote in message news:40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something
this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real
thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in
wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for
all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by
now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of)
that the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic
knowledge
the likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is
second
hand knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy
and
Galens, the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped
Christian dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age.
Had
the Library continued in existence and those critics able to prove
themselves right....
Galens was not so incorrect. His biggest problem was that he wrote so much
that later physicians summarized his works, mostly by leaving out the
important parts. It was these summaries that the church practically turned
into gospel. But fortunately he wrote so much that much of his original
writings are still around. He was not so much "totally incorrect" as
totally
taken out of context and so far ahead of his contemporaries that later
physicians looked at him is the last word, not to be disagreed.
I think Galen would have been quite ***** at how those who followed
him
for the first couple of hundred years took his (summarized) word as gospel.
He was so prolific, and so long-lived, that he became the unquestionable
authority.
I haven't researched Galen very much, so I will concede the point. All I
know is that he was ultimately responsible for the medical application of
"bleeding" patients, using leeches and the horrid system of "humors" that
led to so much suffering and pain even in the face of observable fact.
The discoverer of the blood circulatory system said of Galen that he nearly
discovered it himself, all those hundreds of years earlier. Galen was quite
the student of the human body, and it seems that he studied everything that
came to hand. He understood about cleanliness of wounds and instruments, he
designed and built hospitals that even modern surgeons would recognize. I
certainly would not choose him to have done either of the surgeries I went
through, but if he had a few years to study with a modern doctor I would
expect that he would have done very well indeed.
So far in what I have been reading of him I have not seen any medical
bleeding, (but the use of leeches is now being studied for some situations,
Galen does not seem to have had any sort of "one operation fits all" pattern.
(If he had had such a pattern I think the Gladiators he put back together
might have had a few bones to pick with him. He used wine to clean wounds and
instruments, as well as flame. He know that cleanliness and hygiene were
important and took steps to deal with both, in his hospitals as well as in
the field with the Roman Army.
All in all a very interesting person, too bad that a bunch of idiots were too
stupid to take him at his word, instead of trying to "summarizeÓ him without
having a clue to what was important. If he had been followed by just a few
real students he might have (nearly) single-handedly started a medical
revolution 1600 years before it finally got started. But instead too many who
followed him understood little and studied less. They took him as an
unquestionable authority and then they didn't even get what he said right.
I watched a program about him recently, and the modern doctors and surgeons
who talked about his techniques all seemed to have been very much on his
side, I noticed that very little mention of gods, religion or ritual was
mentioned either by those speaking of him or by those sections of his works
that were mentioned.
"God hates figs."
I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't
God have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
I have seen that used as a sig, but I have always liked the figs version, it
is so, how can I put this, so Old Testamentish.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
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(remove gene to email)
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"Harry F. Leopold" wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
"Harry F. Leopold" wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 8:17:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40A8BB4F.F5FC97C8@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something
this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real
thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in
wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for
all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by
now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
Indeed. It was at Alexandria that humans first learned (that we know of)
that the world was in fact round, and the Greeks had cartographic
knowledge
the likes of which disappeared until the late 15th century. There is
second
hand knowledge that Alexandria hosted respected critics of both Ptolemy
and
Galens, the astrologer and physician whose totally incorrect works shaped
Christian dogma on cosmology and medicine well in to the Scientific Age.
Had
the Library continued in existence and those critics able to prove
themselves right....
Galens was not so incorrect. His biggest problem was that he wrote so much
that later physicians summarized his works, mostly by leaving out the
important parts. It was these summaries that the church practically turned
into gospel. But fortunately he wrote so much that much of his original
writings are still around. He was not so much "totally incorrect" as
totally
taken out of context and so far ahead of his contemporaries that later
physicians looked at him is the last word, not to be disagreed.
I think Galen would have been quite ***** at how those who followed
him
for the first couple of hundred years took his (summarized) word as gospel.
He was so prolific, and so long-lived, that he became the unquestionable
authority.
I haven't researched Galen very much, so I will concede the point. All I
know is that he was ultimately responsible for the medical application of
"bleeding" patients, using leeches and the horrid system of "humors" that
led to so much suffering and pain even in the face of observable fact.
The discoverer of the blood circulatory system said of Galen that he nearly
discovered it himself, all those hundreds of years earlier. Galen was quite
the student of the human body, and it seems that he studied everything that
came to hand. He understood about cleanliness of wounds and instruments, he
designed and built hospitals that even modern surgeons would recognize. I
certainly would not choose him to have done either of the surgeries I went
through, but if he had a few years to study with a modern doctor I would
expect that he would have done very well indeed.
So far in what I have been reading of him I have not seen any medical
bleeding, (but the use of leeches is now being studied for some situations,
Galen does not seem to have had any sort of "one operation fits all" pattern.
(If he had had such a pattern I think the Gladiators he put back together
might have had a few bones to pick with him. He used wine to clean wounds and
instruments, as well as flame. He know that cleanliness and hygiene were
important and took steps to deal with both, in his hospitals as well as in
the field with the Roman Army.
All in all a very interesting person, too bad that a bunch of idiots were too
stupid to take him at his word, instead of trying to "summarizeÓ him without
having a clue to what was important. If he had been followed by just a few
real students he might have (nearly) single-handedly started a medical
revolution 1600 years before it finally got started. But instead too many who
followed him understood little and studied less. They took him as an
unquestionable authority and then they didn't even get what he said right.
I watched a program about him recently, and the modern doctors and surgeons
who talked about his techniques all seemed to have been very much on his
side, I noticed that very little mention of gods, religion or ritual was
mentioned either by those speaking of him or by those sections of his works
that were mentioned.
Ok, enough about Galens. My only knowledge of him is what passed as medical
knowledge during the Middle Ages. I was not aware that only incorrect summaries had
become Church canon and not the actual material.
I stand corrected :-D Is everyone happy now?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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18 May 2004 09:27:39 AM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 8:24:04 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <40AA0E74.F098B4CE@serv.net>):
Ok, enough about Galens. My only knowledge of him is what passed as medical
knowledge during the Middle Ages. I was not aware that only incorrect
summaries had
become Church canon and not the actual material.
I stand corrected :-D Is everyone happy now?
Yes. BTW - from doing a bit of checking yesterday the UCSF medical library's
database seems to be named Galen.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"My Son Died For a NeoCon Lie And All I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt" - Yang
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18 May 2004 04:53:46 PM |
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In alt.atheism article <0001HW.BCCEB08900AD7C59F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
: On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
: (in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
: >> "God hates figs."
: >
: > I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
: > virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't
: > God have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
: I have seen that used as a sig, but I have always liked the figs version, it
: is so, how can I put this, so Old Testamentish.
Matt21:19-21
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Contents may not be republished in any form or medium without prior
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Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
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are right more than half of the time.
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18 May 2004 05:12:35 PM |
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On 18 May 2004 21:53:46 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism article <0001HW.BCCEB08900AD7C59F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
: On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
: (in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
: >> "God hates figs."
: >
: > I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
: > virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't
: > God have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
: I have seen that used as a sig, but I have always liked the figs version, it
: is so, how can I put this, so Old Testamentish.
Matt21:19-21
Do you have a point? Or do you just like acting like a bible centered moron?
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19 May 2004 10:03:55 AM |
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In alt.atheism article <slrncal2ij.h6b.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net> TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
: On 18 May 2004 21:53:46 GMT, John M Price PhD <> wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <0001HW.BCCEB08900AD7C59F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
: >: On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: (in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
: >: >> "God hates figs."
: >: >
: >: > I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
: >: > virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't
: >: > God have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
: >: I have seen that used as a sig, but I have always liked the figs version, it
: >: is so, how can I put this, so Old Testamentish.
: >Matt21:19-21
: Do you have a point? Or do you just like acting like a bible centered moron?
Hating at least a fig tree is a NT issue. And actually a pretty funny one
at that.
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Contents may not be republished in any form or medium without prior
written consent of the author with the express and only exception of
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Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
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Any member introducing a dog into the Society's premises shall
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19 May 2004 11:01:32 AM |
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On 19 May 2004 15:03:55 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism article <slrncal2ij.h6b.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net> TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
: On 18 May 2004 21:53:46 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <0001HW.BCCEB08900AD7C59F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
: >: On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:03 -0500, Gregory Gadow wrote
: >: (in message <40A91C1B.1194E9FD@serv.net>):
: >: >> "God hates figs."
: >: >
: >: > I heard it as "God hates FAQs." As in, How did the Holy Spirit impregnate a
: >: > virgin? Where did the Flood waters come from and where did they go? Couldn't
: >: > God have just said, "I forgive you?" Frequently asked questions like that :-P
: >: I have seen that used as a sig, but I have always liked the figs version, it
: >: is so, how can I put this, so Old Testamentish.
: >Matt21:19-21
: Do you have a point? Or do you just like acting like a bible centered moron?
Hating at least a fig tree is a NT issue. And actually a pretty funny one
at that.
That occured to me after I hit 'post'. I just really hate bible references
as it they're supposed to mean anything.
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16 May 2004 08:43:59 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:17:05 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<5Vupc.5023$BE7.765@news01.roc.ny> wrote in alt.atheism;
Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>
wrote in message news:40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
That would be the archaeological discovery of the millennium. However, as
great a treasure as such a thing would be (and you're not alone in wishing
it would happen), I can see how it would also, in a way, be tragic. Just
imagine - seeing for ourselves what knowledge we had and then lost for all
those hundreds of years! Imagine how much farther we might have been by now
if it had never been lost in the first place.
/innocent look
archeologist reads sign.....
All the books have been checked out and are now overdue.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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15 May 2004 10:10:41 PM |
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Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
But what if they find Aristotle's Poetics II? What would Eco say? :-).
Colin Day aa #1500
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17 May 2004 08:12:06 AM |
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Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
No, you are not :-)
It is unlikely that anything has survived, though; as a coastal city, Alexandria
does not have the dryness that did such a fine job of preserving other
antiquities. Stone and clay yes, but any parchment or papyrus writings have
probably rotted away long ago. I would not at all mind being shown wrong,
though.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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15 May 2004 02:07:43 AM |
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In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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15 May 2004 11:31:00 AM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 2:07:43 -0500, johac wrote
(in message <jhachm-732FFA.00074315052004@news-60.giganews.com>):
From: johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
Knowledge was the coin of Alexandria, I just can't see them not doing a back
up of that knowledge, after all, fires that would burn an entire city were
not unknown.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"You think atoms like having a half-life?"
Incenjucar
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| User: "johac" |
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16 May 2004 01:15:04 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BCCBAFF4005113C8F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 2:07:43 -0500, johac wrote
(in message <jhachm-732FFA.00074315052004@news-60.giganews.com>):
From: johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
Knowledge was the coin of Alexandria, I just can't see them not doing a back
up of that knowledge, after all, fires that would burn an entire city were
not unknown.
True.
Reminds me that I better backup my computer files.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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16 May 2004 08:42:40 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 23:15:04 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-F652CE.23150415052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <0001HW.BCCBAFF4005113C8F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 2:07:43 -0500, johac wrote
(in message <jhachm-732FFA.00074315052004@news-60.giganews.com>):
From: johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
Knowledge was the coin of Alexandria, I just can't see them not doing a back
up of that knowledge, after all, fires that would burn an entire city were
not unknown.
True.
'Backups' were very time consuming and expensive.
Reminds me that I better backup my computer files.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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17 May 2004 12:55:20 AM |
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In article <n36ga0lttnbals82pttfv1u574f8nh5uam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 23:15:04 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-F652CE.23150415052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <0001HW.BCCBAFF4005113C8F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 2:07:43 -0500, johac wrote
(in message <jhachm-732FFA.00074315052004@news-60.giganews.com>):
From: johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major
seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something
this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
Knowledge was the coin of Alexandria, I just can't see them not doing a
back
up of that knowledge, after all, fires that would burn an entire city were
not unknown.
True.
'Backups' were very time consuming and expensive.
Couldn't they outsource the backup? I heard that Indian scribes got paid
much less than Greeks or Egyptians.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Library of Alexandria discovered? |
17 May 2004 08:08:30 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 22:55:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-761C4C.22552016052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <n36ga0lttnbals82pttfv1u574f8nh5uam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 23:15:04 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-F652CE.23150415052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <0001HW.BCCBAFF4005113C8F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 2:07:43 -0500, johac wrote
(in message <jhachm-732FFA.00074315052004@news-60.giganews.com>):
From: johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
In article <40a56a07$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton Can't Find His Left Sock"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FWbpc.4555$301.3333@news02.roc.ny...
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major
seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something
this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they
build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
I dare say I'm not the only one who has this fantasy where they find a
sealed chamber with thousands of undamaged and preserved documents.
You're not. I'm hoping for the same thing myself.
Knowledge was the coin of Alexandria, I just can't see them not doing a
back
up of that knowledge, after all, fires that would burn an entire city were
not unknown.
True.
'Backups' were very time consuming and expensive.
Couldn't they outsource the backup? I heard that Indian scribes got paid
much less than Greeks or Egyptians.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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14 May 2004 07:44:17 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 22:41:41 +0000, Adam Marczyk wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of
the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
I'm not convinced they've discovered the Library based on something this
preliminary, but if they really have - that would be fantastic! I hope
they build a museum on the site, if this turns out to be the real thing.
Or at least a monument. Artifacts are likely to be disappointing -- burnt
librairies such as they are.
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| User: "maff" |
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15 May 2004 03:15:31 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net>...
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest
thinkers and writers of the ancient world.
Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a
fire.
Oldest University
Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University
of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of
Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as
many as 5,000 students in total.
A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated
podium for the lecturer to stand on.
"It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been
uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he
added.
"It is perhaps the oldest university in the world."
The article continues at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3707641.stm
Library of Alexandria
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Library%20of%20Alexandria%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
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http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Library%20of%20Alexandria&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Hypatia of Alexandria
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 May 2004 08:40:56 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:27:48 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <40A51DB4.84470D90@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3707641.stm
Library of Alexandria discovered
By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the
Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat
of learning.
A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the
Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or
auditoria.
Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest
thinkers and writers of the ancient world.
Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a
fire.
Oldest University
Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University
of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of
Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as
many as 5,000 students in total.
A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated
podium for the lecturer to stand on.
"It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been
uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he
added.
"It is perhaps the oldest university in the world."
Professor Wileke Wendrich, of the University of California, told BBC
News Online that the discovery was incredibly impressive.
Alexandria was a major seat of learning in ancient times and regarded by
some as the birthplace of western science.
Birthplace of geometry
It was a tiny fishing village on the Nile delta called Rhakotis when
Alexander the Great chose it as the site of the new capital of his
empire.
It was made Egypt's capital in 320 BC and soon became the most powerful
and influential city in the region.
Its rulers built a massive lighthouse at Pharos, one of the Seven
Wonders of the Ancient World, and the famed Library of Alexandria.
It was at the library that Archimedes invented the screw-shaped water
pump that is still in use today.
At Alexandria Eratosthenes measured the diameter of the Earth, and
Euclid discovered the rules of geometry.
Ptolemy wrote the Almagest at Alexandria. It was the most influential
scientific book about the nature of the Universe for 1,500 years.
The library was later destroyed, possibly by Julius Caesar who had it
burned as part of his campaign to conquer the city.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/3707641.stm
Published: 2004/05/12 14:32:37 GMT
© BBC MMIV
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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