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"Truth Hunter" |
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23 Apr 2004 09:56:00 PM |
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Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes? |
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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24 Apr 2004 04:52:43 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
Immediately you've got the problem that you describe a chronology, but time
is part of this physical world and is only subjectively importnat to human
consciousness.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
God became flesh. Something happened within Mary's womb, but then normal
processes of gestation took over.
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
This is confusing. The good thief is told "tonight you will be with me in
Paradise", but also Jesus "descended into Hell". See my previous comments on
time.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
Yes.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if > I
got the details wrong.
Technically Jesus "ascends", since it is a volitional act.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to > his
body?
Yes, the "body of Christ" is a vitally important concept in Christianity.
No, we don't understand matter well enough to answer your questions, but if
you read a few books on particle physics you will realise the profundity of
what you are asking.
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
God became a man, and was subject to human sufferings, including the fear of
death.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word:
NOPE
If you look at your questions again you will see that Christian cosmology is
a lot more robust that you give it credit for. The sort of shallow
facetiousness with which you present your case is just as distorting as
fundamentalism.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes? |
24 Apr 2004 07:24:35 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:52:43 +0100, "Malcolm"
<malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to > his
body?
Yes, the "body of Christ" is a vitally important concept in Christianity.
No, we don't understand matter well enough to answer your questions, but if
you read a few books on particle physics you will realise the profundity of
what you are asking.
Sounds like you have no answer and hope that by suggesting that
reading a "few books on particle physics" will help answer the
question, one infers that you have done so and understand, but of
course you haven't and you don't. If you did, you would reveal it in
layman's terms. You are a phony.
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
God became a man, and was subject to human sufferings, including the fear of
death.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word:
NOPE
If you look at your questions again you will see that Christian cosmology is
a lot more robust that you give it credit for.
How precisely will relooking at his questions make him see the
robustness of Christian "cosmology"?
The sort of shallow
facetiousness with which you present your case is just as distorting as
fundamentalism.
You have done nothing to show the questions as anything but too
difficult for you to answer.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes? |
24 Apr 2004 06:06:06 PM |
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"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What >>> does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body
that he couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what
happened to his body?
Yes, the "body of Christ" is a vitally important concept in
Christianity.
No, we don't understand matter well enough to answer your
questions, but if you read a few books on particle physics you will
realise the profundity of what you are asking.
Sounds like you have no answer and hope that by suggesting that
reading a "few books on particle physics" will help answer the
question, one infers that you have done so and understand, but of
course you haven't and you don't. If you did, you would reveal it in
layman's terms. You are a phony.
I'm not a particle physicist and therefore I could give you only a
popularisation of a popularisation, which is of limited value. However
anyone who has read any books on the subject of fundamental physics and
philosophy, or which there are many aimed at people of various levels of
sophistication, will realise that what the OP is asking as a rhetorical
question "What can he do with a body that he couldn't do when he was pure
spirit?" actually leads us into very deep waters.
You have done nothing to show the questions as anything but too
difficult for you to answer.
And also too difficult for the OP to answer, and indeed hard for anyone to
answer. hence a facetious attitude is inappropriate.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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24 Apr 2004 07:27:54 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:06:06 +0100, "Malcolm"
<malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What >>> does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body
that he couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what
happened to his body?
Yes, the "body of Christ" is a vitally important concept in
Christianity.
No, we don't understand matter well enough to answer your
questions, but if you read a few books on particle physics you will
realise the profundity of what you are asking.
Sounds like you have no answer and hope that by suggesting that
reading a "few books on particle physics" will help answer the
question, one infers that you have done so and understand, but of
course you haven't and you don't. If you did, you would reveal it in
layman's terms. You are a phony.
I'm not a particle physicist and therefore I could give you only a
popularisation of a popularisation, which is of limited value.
My point, reinforced by your reply, is that you COULD NOT give a
popularization of a popularization, or, for that matter, a
popularization of one. If you could have, you would have. You just
tried to sound deep, and came off silly.
However
anyone who has read any books on the subject of fundamental physics and
philosophy, or which there are many aimed at people of various levels of
sophistication, will realise that what the OP is asking as a rhetorical
question "What can he do with a body that he couldn't do when he was pure
spirit?" actually leads us into very deep waters.
Evasive answer. It was not a rhetorical question, it was a basic and
clear question which demanded a basic and clear answer which you
could not provide, but instead of just saying you could not provide
it, you tried to fake the reader into believing that the profundity of
the answer was self-evident to anyone that had read "a few books on
particle physics", which has now mysteriously morphed into "any books
on the subject of fundamental physics and philosophy". In the unlikely
event that you know what you mean by "fundamental physics", kindly
detail exactly how fundamental (Newtonian) physics affects the issue
at hand.
You have done nothing to show the questions as anything but too
difficult for you to answer.
And also too difficult for the OP to answer,
Sheesh, if he could have answered them, he would not have asked them.
Didn't they cover asking and answereing in any of your philosophy
books?
and indeed hard for anyone to
answer. hence a facetious attitude is inappropriate.
Your conclusions about the poster's attitude are as insupportable as
your contention that physics, particle, fundamental, or otherwise,
will aid in the comprehension of the profundity of the questions.
Please do us all a favor and leave the b.s. out of your future posts.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes? |
25 Apr 2004 03:57:58 AM |
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"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
I'm not a particle physicist and therefore I could give you only a
popularisation of a popularisation, which is of limited value.
My point, reinforced by your reply, is that you COULD NOT give > a
popularization of a popularization, or, for that matter, a
popularization of one.
Of course I have read "The Emperor's New Mind", "Consciousness Explained"
and similar books and I am quite capable of summarizing them if you like.
However since I'm not an expert, there is not much point doing so since
those who actually understand the mathematics and the experimental data are
in a much better position to do, and there is plenty of such material out
there.
If you could have, you would have. You just tried to sound deep,
and came off silly.
Evasive answer. It was not a rhetorical question, it was a basic and
clear question which demanded a basic and clear answer which
you could not provide, but instead of just saying you could not
provide it, you tried to fake the reader into believing that the
profundity of the answer was self-evident to anyone that had read
"a few books on particle physics", which has now mysteriously
morphed into "any books on the subject of fundamental physics and
philosophy". In the unlikely event that you know what you mean by
"fundamental physics", kindly detail exactly how fundamental
(Newtonian) physics affects the issue at hand.
"Fundamental" means "of the most basic type". To a first approximation,
Newtonian physics isn't fundamental because we now know that it is an
approximation and a special case of laws which underlie it, and that the
approximation breaks down completely at the very fast and the very small.
This of course is a vulgarisation - it's not quite true that Einstein
disproved Newton.
Newton said that he could describe the gravitional force mathematically, but
knew nothing of its nature. Now we know that the unverse is expanding, and
that gravity may cause it to collapse. We also know that the balance is very
fine. It is even possible that the universe is exactly balanced between
infinite expansion and ultimate collapse. Now draw your own conclusions for
Christian doctrine.
I'm not saying that this argument is necessarily anything more than
speculation, and the premise might be enitrely nonsense. The only point is
that the issues are very deep, and we've only covered Newton's physics.
Didn't they cover asking and answereing in any of your philosophy
books?
Some questions can be easily answered, like "what is for tea?", "did St Paul
exist?". Some are hard to answer because of empirical factors, such as "did
King Arthur exist?" or "is the climate changing?". Others are inherently
deep, such as "why is there something rather than nothing?", or "what is the
relationship between matter and the mind (or if you prefer soul)?".
Your conclusions about the poster's attitude are as insupportable as
your contention that physics, particle, fundamental, or otherwise,
will aid in the comprehension of the profundity of the questions.
This is more my field, since I have a degree in English literature, and one
thing we talk about is the concept of "register". For instance you can write
in a scientific register, or in a sensational register.
The OP writes
"2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character)."
What register do you think this is?
Please do us all a favor and leave the b.s. out of your future posts.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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25 Apr 2004 06:54:00 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:57:58 +0100, "Malcolm"
<malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
I'm not a particle physicist and therefore I could give you only a
popularisation of a popularisation, which is of limited value.
My point, reinforced by your reply, is that you COULD NOT give > a
popularization of a popularization, or, for that matter, a
popularization of one.
Of course I have read "The Emperor's New Mind", "Consciousness Explained"
and similar books and I am quite capable of summarizing them if you like.
Some minds work in mysterious ways. Did I request a summary of the
books you have read? Hmmm?
However since I'm not an expert, there is not much point doing so since
those who actually understand the mathematics and the experimental data are
in a much better position to do, and there is plenty of such material out
there.
If you could have, you would have. You just tried to sound deep,
and came off silly.
Evasive answer. It was not a rhetorical question, it was a basic and
clear question which demanded a basic and clear answer which
you could not provide, but instead of just saying you could not
provide it, you tried to fake the reader into believing that the
profundity of the answer was self-evident to anyone that had read
"a few books on particle physics", which has now mysteriously
morphed into "any books on the subject of fundamental physics and
philosophy". In the unlikely event that you know what you mean by
"fundamental physics", kindly detail exactly how fundamental
(Newtonian) physics affects the issue at hand.
"Fundamental" means "of the most basic type".
To a first approximation,
Could you precisely say exactly what you mean by "to a first
approximation"?
Newtonian physics isn't fundamental because we now know that it is an
approximation and a special case of laws which underlie it,
Makes no sense -- does not explain why Newtonian physics is not
fundamental. I do believe that your problem is that
you are an extremely unclear thinker.
and that the
approximation breaks down completely at the very fast and the very small.
This of course is a vulgarisation - it's not quite true that Einstein
disproved Newton.
Newton said that he could describe the gravitional force mathematically, but
knew nothing of its nature. Now we know that the unverse is expanding, and
that gravity may cause it to collapse. We also know that the balance is very
fine. It is even possible that the universe is exactly balanced between
infinite expansion and ultimate collapse. Now draw your own conclusions for
Christian doctrine.
Please don't make me laugh while drinking my tea.
I'm not saying that this argument
WHAT argument?
is necessarily anything more than
speculation, and the premise might be enitrely nonsense. The only point is
that the issues are very deep, and we've only covered Newton's physics.
We have?
Didn't they cover asking and answereing in any of your philosophy
books?
Some questions can be easily answered, like "what is for tea?", "did St Paul
exist?". Some are hard to answer because of empirical factors, such as "did
King Arthur exist?" or "is the climate changing?". Others are inherently
deep, such as "why is there something rather than nothing?", or "what is the
relationship between matter and the mind (or if you prefer soul)?".
Your conclusions about the poster's attitude are as insupportable as
your contention that physics, particle, fundamental, or otherwise,
will aid in the comprehension of the profundity of the questions.
This is more my field, since I have a degree in English literature, and one
thing we talk about is the concept of "register". For instance you can write
in a scientific register, or in a sensational register.
The OP writes
"2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character)."
What register do you think this is?
We were discussing questions asked. As far as I can tell, the quote is
not a question.
Please do us all a favor and leave the b.s. out of your future posts.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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25 Apr 2004 07:42:47 AM |
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"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
My point, reinforced by your reply, is that you COULD NOT >>> give a
popularization of a popularization, or, for that matter, a
popularization of one.
Some minds work in mysterious ways. Did I request a summary of > the books
you have read? Hmmm?
How about reading what you yourself write? You challenged me to give a
popularisation of a popularisation. I refused. There are plenty of articles
on fundamental physics written by physicists, many of which show that "what
use would God have of a physical body?" is a profound question. I don't
claim to have a good answer, but the answer "none, because He is a spirit"
is obviously inadequate.
What do you think causes consciousness? Do you believe in free will? Why is
it so difficult to program computers to use human langauge?
"Fundamental" means "of the most basic type".
To a first approximation,
Could you precisely say exactly what you mean by "to a first
approximation"?
Statements are not necessarily "true" or "false" but have different truth
values. For instance if we say " a gene is a stretch of DNA that codes for a
protein" this is good enough for a school biology class, but not good enough
if we are doing genetic research.
Makes no sense -- does not explain why Newtonian physics is not
fundamental. I do believe that your problem is that
you are an extremely unclear thinker.
I used the term "fundamental physics" to refer to the physics of small
particles and high speeds (as opposed to, say, the physics of surface
finishings). You claimed that I didn't understand what the term meant, and
then claimed that Newtonian physics is "fundamental". Now Newtonian physics
is now known to be a special case of more general laws (for instance, time
does not pass at a constant rate in modern physics, whilst it does in
Newtonian physics). So if you are going to say that Newtonian physics should
be considered "fundamental" - which isn't a debate I would particularly want
to enter, not being a physicist - then you need to define your term.
Basically you are jumping on a use of the term "fundamental physics" to try
to pretend that I don't know what I'm talking about. what you are actually
showing is your ignorance of the way language works. Even if some branch of
physics not considered by the layman to be "fundamental" is in fact
considered as such by the experts, this doesn't mean that the term
"fundamental physics" has no meaning.
It is even possible that the universe is exactly balanced between
infinite expansion and ultimate collapse. Now draw your own >>conclusions
for Christian doctrine.
Please don't make me laugh while drinking my tea.
You asked for an example of how Newton's theory and Christian doctrine might
have philosophical importance.
"2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a
spirit (which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz
character)."
We were discussing questions asked. As far as I can tell, the quote > is
not a question.
How about reading the title of the thread? You will see that the quote is
part of a question.
What about answering my question about register? Unlike "what makes a
physical theory fundamental?" it's not at all a hard concept.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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25 Apr 2004 08:56:12 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:42:47 +0100, "Malcolm"
<malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
My point, reinforced by your reply, is that you COULD NOT >>> give a
popularization of a popularization, or, for that matter, a
popularization of one.
Some minds work in mysterious ways. Did I request a summary of > the books
you have read? Hmmm?
How about reading what you yourself write? You challenged me to give a
popularisation of a popularisation.
No. Actually, you suggested doing so. All I ever wanted to establish
is that by implying that reading popular books about physics, one
could answer questions about the body of Christ, you were proving
yourself quite pretentious. I guess the readers of the thread will
have to judge whether I succeeded.
I refused. There are plenty of articles
on fundamental physics written by physicists, many of which show that "what
use would God have of a physical body?" is a profound question. I don't
claim to have a good answer, but the answer "none, because He is a spirit"
is obviously inadequate.
What do you think causes consciousness? Do you believe in free will? Why is
it so difficult to program computers to use human langauge?
Go in peace. This is such a waste of time.
"Fundamental" means "of the most basic type".
To a first approximation,
Could you precisely say exactly what you mean by "to a first
approximation"?
Statements are not necessarily "true" or "false" but have different truth
values. For instance if we say " a gene is a stretch of DNA that codes for a
protein" this is good enough for a school biology class, but not good enough
if we are doing genetic research.
Makes no sense -- does not explain why Newtonian physics is not
fundamental. I do believe that your problem is that
you are an extremely unclear thinker.
I used the term "fundamental physics" to refer to the physics of small
particles and high speeds (as opposed to, say, the physics of surface
finishings). You claimed that I didn't understand what the term meant, and
then claimed that Newtonian physics is "fundamental". Now Newtonian physics
is now known to be a special case of more general laws (for instance, time
does not pass at a constant rate in modern physics, whilst it does in
Newtonian physics). So if you are going to say that Newtonian physics should
be considered "fundamental" - which isn't a debate I would particularly want
to enter, not being a physicist - then you need to define your term.
Basically you are jumping on a use of the term "fundamental physics" to try
to pretend that I don't know what I'm talking about. what you are actually
showing is your ignorance of the way language works. Even if some branch of
physics not considered by the layman to be "fundamental" is in fact
considered as such by the experts, this doesn't mean that the term
"fundamental physics" has no meaning.
It is even possible that the universe is exactly balanced between
infinite expansion and ultimate collapse. Now draw your own >>conclusions
for Christian doctrine.
Please don't make me laugh while drinking my tea.
You asked for an example of how Newton's theory and Christian doctrine might
have philosophical importance.
"2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a
spirit (which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz
character)."
We were discussing questions asked. As far as I can tell, the quote > is
not a question.
How about reading the title of the thread? You will see that the quote is
part of a question.
What about answering my question about register? Unlike "what makes a
physical theory fundamental?" it's not at all a hard concept.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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25 Apr 2004 10:17:30 AM |
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"drahcir" <wegsABC@hwgwgail.com> wrote in message
No. Actually, you suggested doing so. All I ever wanted to
establish is that by implying that reading popular books about
physics, one could answer questions about the body of Christ, you
were proving yourself quite pretentious. I guess the readers of the
thread will have to judge whether I succeeded.
By reading popular books about physics, one is in a position to appreciate
the profundity of the question "what use is a material body to Christ in
heaven?"
What do you think causes consciousness? Do you believe in free > > will?
Why is it so difficult to program computers to use human
langauge?
Go in peace. This is such a waste of time.
You can think that such questions are a waste of time, but tnhat's more a
refection on you than on those of us who are interested in such issues.
[ big snip ]
You could also have the grace to admit that you are wrong about the OP not
being facetious. It doesn't do any harm to the atheist position to
occasionally concede a minor point, and it might mean that we take you a bit
more seriously.
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| User: "EagleEye" |
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24 Apr 2004 01:52:46 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com...
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "EagleEye" |
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24 Apr 2004 01:58:55 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com...
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
That's it, yes.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
The idea, from our human perspective is that this body is like processed
food, which needed processing for our consumation.
His new body is mysterious, sometimes mere body, then light when he tapped
Saul. I guess it's a multidensional body, but definitely different from what
it was originally.
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
He was also 100% human when on the cross, AND he, being sinless and all
good, took all sin upon himself, so that must have been pretty hard to deal
with.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Only if you deny him his humanity, which is the connecting point through
which Jesus' vicarious atonement represents an atonement (at one ment) for
sin.
It is through Jesus' humanity that we have a kinship with God through Him,
and through his sacrifice as a human being.
But he couldn't remain dead, being life itself, and transcendant of and
wholly dominant over death.
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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In article <_eoic.98885$Gp4.2324000@news20.bellglobal.com>,
eagleeye@omega.org says...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
That's it, yes.
Really? Even the stuff about elevators?
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
The idea, from our human perspective is that this body is like processed
food, which needed processing for our consumation.
So you mean that they needed to run jesus through the wonderbread
factory and stamp his body out into little communion wafers ? :)
His new body is mysterious, sometimes mere body, then light when he tapped
Saul.
You mean when he allegedly appeared as a vision according to Saul?
I guess it's a multidensional body,
Hummm....I've never heard of a "multidensional body". If you mean
*multidimensional", then what additional dimensions do you have in mind?
Is it like a twilight Zone kinda thing? :)
but definitely different from what
it was originally.
You know this how, exactly?
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
He was also 100% human when on the cross, AND he, being sinless and all
good, took all sin upon himself,
Sin is not something that one takes upon oneself. One either commits
sin or one doesn't. Even if jesus wanted to accept the sins of another
person it wouldn't be possible. It would be like me "accepting" the sin
of my next door neighbor. There's no logical avenue through which I
could be guilty for an offense committed entirely by another person.
so that must have been pretty hard to deal
with.
I guess so because even Pilate was shocked that Jesus wimped out so fast
and snuffed it after only a few hours on the cross. Many people in
roman times were known to survive for days on the cross and even in
places like the Philippines today, where they perform reenactments, many
of those folks tend to survive longer than Jeebs.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Only if you deny him his humanity
He should be denied his humanity because (1) there's no credible
evidence that he actually existed and (2) he was always using
supernatural powers to cheat. If he really wanted to be authentically
human then he should have been forced to get by in life without constant
use of divine powers.
, which is the connecting point through
which Jesus' vicarious atonement
Vicarious atonement makes no sense. Nobody can die for the sins of
another. Many other people have sacrificed themselves to help other
people, but that's about as close as it gets. If people could die for
the sins of others they probably would, but gawd doesn't seem to be
offering that deal. Heck, if jesus can die for other people's sins, why
can't a person just die for his own sins? How much punishment does god
demand?
represents an atonement (at one ment)
Despite the nonsense, atonement means nothing like "at one ment". Jesus
becoming a human sin magnet and somehow accepting guilt for actions he
never even did would hardly make him "at one" with people. In any event
the little word game with atonement only works in certain languages like
English, so I'd advise that you not place too much stock in it.
for sin.
It is through Jesus' humanity that we have a kinship with God
Not so. According to the bible it would derive from the fact that we
were created in the image of god. As usual, xians give jesus too much
credit.
through Him,
and through his sacrifice as a human being.
Human sacrifice, particularly of one's own children is unlawful in
torah.
But he couldn't remain dead, being life itself,
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!! There's no way that "life itself" could did at
all, even for only 2.5 days. It would be a contradiction in terms to
suggest that something which is the concept of life personified could
have died for a while. If it did then life would have to have ceased to
exist during that time. So how is it that the rest of the world seemed
to carry on living when "life itself" was dead?
and transcendant of and
wholly dominant over death.
Could you refrain from hittin' the bong until after you've posted next
time? Thanks.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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24 Apr 2004 02:23:23 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
Here goes........
Erhman trying to explain Origens position about
Jesus' origins....
'Origen's theology was biblically rooted from start to finish.
He subscribed to the notion that 'God' was the creator of all things. And
he belived that to mean ALL things, including Christ. The essence of Christ
came into being at some point in eternity past. In fact, it came into being
when
all the intelligent beings of the divine realm came into being-angels,
arch-angels,
demons, the Devil, humal souls. All these creatures of 'God' were originally
disembodied minds, created to adore 'God' forever, and yet they were given
the free will
to choose to do otherwise. Some minds chose to depart from 'God'-for
example,
the devil and his demons, whose lust for power led to their "fall". Others
simply
could not sustain the worship of 'God' for eternity; these, too, fell from
their
divine place and became souls that were placed in human bobies as a
discipline
and punishment, prior to redemtion. One mind, however, stayed in direct and
intensely
focused contact with 'God', from eternity past. So connected with 'God' was
this mind
that it became one with 'God'. Just as the iron placed in a hot fire
eventually takes
on all the characteristics of the fire, this one took on all the
characteristics of
'God', became so infused with 'God's' wisdom that it became 'Gods' wisdom,
so infused
with 'Gods' word, that it became 'Gods' word. In a very real sense, then, to
all
outward appearances and to the depth of it's being, this mind was 'God'.
This
mind then became a soul that took on human flesh and dwelt among us in the
form
of a human. Christ is the incarnation of this divine being that came into
existance
in eternity past; Christ ig 'God's' Word made flesh; Christ is 'God', one
with the
Father, distinct in person, but equal in substance, the one through whom
'God'
made the world (Origen On first principles 2:6). But-this is a key point-he
is equal
with 'God' by the transference of 'Gods' being; ultimately, he is
subordinate to 'God'
and is 'Less than the Father' (On first principles 1:3)' -Ehrman 'Lost
Christianities'
p 155
Mind you Origen was eventually condemned as an heretic.
But at least it shows us that the early Christians enjoyed making up
fairy tales and Grand theories, so why shouldn't we ??
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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24 Apr 2004 08:42:45 PM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com>...
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit?
It's like when Goku died and King Yemma allowed him to keep his body
because he died saving the earth for like the twelth time. Then he
flew around the "other dimension" fighting bad guys from the "loosers"
section. After that you discover that the best warriors get to keep
their bodies so the Kais can make them fight. Maybe Jesus had to
battle it out in heaven? Who would he have to fight? Moses maybe?
The Buddha? Zoroaster?
jwk
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| User: "Carol T" |
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25 Apr 2004 01:01:28 PM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com>...
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?<<<<<<<
Abraham so loved God that he was prepared to sacrifice his one true
earthy treasure to Him. On doing this he learned of God's love for him
and his descendants, those who learned to trust in God to the extent
they would sacrifice even their last animal and possible route to
survival for their own descendants. Through this sacrifice they
learned how trusting in God can be repaid a thousand times over. Their
future as God's high priests of all people was reassured through the
purity of their faith.
Then as the world prospered sacrifices lost their meaning and people
turned their backs on God's ways and the lights started to go out.
Then there was sin, terrible sins; sins within people to make them ill
and outside people to harm their neighbours and children; sins
unresolved and without a sacrifice of worth because people forgot
God's messages in the Word.
God looked down on the world searching for the Jew born to be true in
His faith, the one who understood the power of sacrifice and the love
of Him in the same way that Abraham had. The one who was prepared to
be loved as the whole world's child and then given up to save the
whole world from sin.
Then He baptised Him and became one with Him so that He could be
amongst people and relight the way for those Jews who have never known
their father; and to light the way for all other people of all nations
who will fill Jewish houses in faith, that their own true destiny is
fulfilled.
"When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;
and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of
God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a
voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17
Carol T
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| User: "quibbler" |
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23 Apr 2004 10:41:52 PM |
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In article <e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com says...
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus
It's pretty clear that the so-called sacrifice of jesus doesn't seem
highly significant for lots of reasons. The Jesus part of the trinity
presumably was quite well acquainted with life outside of a human body.
Therefore, dying for a few days might have been downright enjoyable. It
could have been like a little vacation back to a ritzy resort called
heaven.
For that matter, to imagine that a god would not have the power to
endure a little bit of suffering on a cross is completely ridiculous.
Heck if one of your tough guy heros like Clint Eastwood were on the
cross he'd probably be saying things like, "Is that all you punks got?
This doesn't even hurt. Get some more nails and whips before I die of
boredom up here." :)
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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24 Apr 2004 09:03:11 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af38fdaac7964fe989744@news.individual.net...
For that matter, to imagine that a god would not have the power to
endure a little bit of suffering on a cross is completely ridiculous.
Heck if one of your tough guy heros like Clint Eastwood were on the
cross he'd probably be saying things like, "Is that all you punks got?
This doesn't even hurt. Get some more nails and whips before I die of
boredom up here." :)
You have to be the most clueless guy on the internet or just 12 years old.
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24 Apr 2004 09:09:34 PM |
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"scott" <BySSpam@nonoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:3qOdnRW6DPnIgRbdRVn-hA@intertex.net...
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af38fdaac7964fe989744@news.individual.net...
For that matter, to imagine that a god would not have the power to
endure a little bit of suffering on a cross is completely ridiculous.
Heck if one of your tough guy heros like Clint Eastwood were on the
cross he'd probably be saying things like, "Is that all you punks got?
This doesn't even hurt. Get some more nails and whips before I die of
boredom up here." :)
You have to be the most clueless guy on the internet or just 12 years old.
Yeah, this is from a foole who hasn't got the slightest idea of what it
would be like for the eternal Son of God to suffer separation from His
Father for a few hours while the sins of the =entire= world, past, present
and future are laid upon Him. No wonder He died of a broken heart!
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25 Apr 2004 07:08:10 AM |
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And it came to pass that "Gomez Addams" <gomezzaddams@hotmail.com> did
write in alt.atheism,
news:y5Fic.467$g31.455@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Yeah, this is from a foole who hasn't got the slightest idea of
what it
would be like for the eternal Son of God to suffer separation from His
Father for a few hours while the sins of the =entire= world, past,
present and future are laid upon Him. No wonder He died of a broken
heart!
Yeah! Poor Mithra.
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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25 Apr 2004 11:56:59 AM |
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Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
And it came to pass that "Gomez Addams" <gomezzaddams@hotmail.com> did
write in alt.atheism,
news:y5Fic.467$g31.455@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Yeah, this is from a foole who hasn't got the slightest idea of
what it
would be like for the eternal Son of God to suffer separation from His
Father for a few hours while the sins of the =entire= world, past,
present and future are laid upon Him. No wonder He died of a broken
heart!
Yeah! Poor Mithra.
Wow. I read that as Mothra and wondered what sort of twisted
mind would sympathize with Mothra instead of siding with Godzilla.
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25 Apr 2004 05:34:42 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:09:34 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
<gomezzaddams@hotmail.com> wrote:
"scott" <BySSpam@nonoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:3qOdnRW6DPnIgRbdRVn-hA@intertex.net...
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af38fdaac7964fe989744@news.individual.net...
For that matter, to imagine that a god would not have the power to
endure a little bit of suffering on a cross is completely ridiculous.
Heck if one of your tough guy heros like Clint Eastwood were on the
cross he'd probably be saying things like, "Is that all you punks got?
This doesn't even hurt. Get some more nails and whips before I die of
boredom up here." :)
You have to be the most clueless guy on the internet or just 12 years old.
Yeah, this is from a foole who hasn't got the slightest idea of what it
would be like for the eternal Son of God to suffer separation from His
Father for a few hours while the sins of the =entire= world, past, present
and future are laid upon Him. No wonder He died of a broken heart!
Meaningless gobbledygook. When are you going to say anything
meaningful?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:51:50 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:09:34 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
<gomezzaddams@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have to be the most clueless guy on the internet or just 12 years old.
Yeah, this is from a foole who hasn't got the slightest idea of what it
would be like for the eternal Son of God to suffer separation from His
Father for a few hours while the sins of the =entire= world, past, present
and future are laid upon Him. No wonder He died of a broken heart!
How old are you? 11? Or younger?
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| User: "quibbler" |
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24 Apr 2004 09:20:50 PM |
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In article <3qOdnRW6DPnIgRbdRVn-hA@intertex.net>,
says...
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af38fdaac7964fe989744@news.individual.net...
For that matter, to imagine that a god would not have the power to
endure a little bit of suffering on a cross is completely ridiculous.
Heck if one of your tough guy heros like Clint Eastwood were on the
cross he'd probably be saying things like, "Is that all you punks got?
This doesn't even hurt. Get some more nails and whips before I die of
boredom up here." :)
You have to be the most clueless guy on the internet or just 12 years old.
(1) It was a *joke*.
(2) Get a sense of humor.
(3) Try to actually make a specific objection to what I'm saying or ...
(4) Stop wasting my time.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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24 Apr 2004 09:05:09 AM |
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No, this is not how it goes. The truth of the matter is something you cannot
understand. All who are carnally minded cannot understand matters of spirit.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404231856.c835469@posting.google.com...
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "jwk" |
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24 Apr 2004 08:35:57 PM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message news:<108km1csqeshvb7@corp.supernews.com>...
No, this is not how it goes. The truth of the matter is something you cannot
understand. All who are carnally minded cannot understand matters of spirit.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Are you telling us you never get laid?
jwk
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24 Apr 2004 07:15:57 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:05:09 -0700, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
No, this is not how it goes. The truth of the matter is something you cannot
understand. All who are carnally minded cannot understand matters of spirit.
Is that another way to say that you have to be crazy to believe?
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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24 Apr 2004 06:35:58 AM |
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On 23 Apr 2004 19:56:00 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
Life of Jesus... Is this how it goes?
1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.
2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit
(which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).
3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.
4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is
reunited with his body.
5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I
got the details wrong.
In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does
Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he
couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his
body?
And furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it
back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his
body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing
really.Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of
the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought
provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in
fundyism). Can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
This is about as pointless as discussing what colour of underwear a
hobbit would have.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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24 Apr 2004 09:42:10 AM |
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"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:2dcb490578abb208f4580f74dece28b0@news.1usenet.com...
On 23 Apr 2004 19:56:00 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
This is about as pointless as discussing what colour of underwear a
hobbit would have.
Hey !!! I've spend many a hash-filled evening pondering on just
such a question !
You saying I been wasting my time ???
:)
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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24 Apr 2004 09:59:32 AM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:408a7caa$0$7366
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"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On 23 Apr 2004 19:56:00 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
This is about as pointless as discussing what colour of underwear a
hobbit would have.
Hey !!! I've spend many a hash-filled evening pondering on just
such a question !
You saying I been wasting my time ???
If it was good enough hash you could just ask Bilbo himself. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:408a7caa$0$7366
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"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On 23 Apr 2004 19:56:00 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
This is about as pointless as discussing what colour of underwear a
hobbit would have.
Hey !!! I've spend many a hash-filled evening pondering on just
such a question !
You saying I been wasting my time ???
If it was good enough hash you could just ask Bilbo himself. ;-)
Hehehe ! No comment !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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