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"IKnowHimDoYou" |
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19 May 2004 11:16:08 AM |
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Life Processes-No Accident |
Life Processes-No Accident
Information-coded, purposeful, complex and specified is the basis for all
life. Philip E. Johnson says that:
"The information that directs the life processes-like any other meaningful
text- needs to be complex, aperiodic, and specified.
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters or symbols
is required.
The second means that the order of the letters is not directed by physical
or chemical laws, which by their nature produce only simply repeating
patterns(such as printing "ABC" over and over again until the printer runs
out of paper).
The third requirement means that not just any order will do but only the
precise order required to produce the encyclopedia, or computer operating
progarm, or array of cellular proteins coded for in the DNA nucleotides.
Genuinely creative evolution thus requires a mechanism capable of creating
immense amounts of complex , specified, aperiodic genetic information.
Random mutation is not such a mechanism, nor is natural selection, nor is
any physical or chemical law. Laws produce simple repetitive order, and
chance produces meaningless disorder. When combined[as in evolution
theory] law and chance work against each other to prevent the emergence of
a meaningful sequence.
In all human experience, only intelligent agency can write an encyclopedia
or a computer program, or produce complex specified aperodic information
in any form. Therefore, the information necessarily present in organisms
points to the conclusion that they are products of intelligent design". *
*"The Wedge of Truth", Phillip E. Johnson, 2000, p. 127
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there must be a
Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His son, whom He hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also He MADE the worlds; " Hebrews 1:2
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
25 May 2004 07:40:45 PM |
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But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
Paul
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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26 May 2004 08:46:17 AM |
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In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol = Witchypoo ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 May 2004 10:32:18 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
26 May 2004 11:45:05 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.32.18.136256@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
Hell, yes. "Boo boos" are the best ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 May 2004 06:22:07 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:45:05 +0000 in episode
<lQ3tc.4407$H4.134@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.32.18.136256@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
Hell, yes. "Boo boos" are the best ;)
Better than whoopsies?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
27 May 2004 09:32:21 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.22.07.107358@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:45:05 +0000 in episode
<lQ3tc.4407$H4.134@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.32.18.136256@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
Hell, yes. "Boo boos" are the best ;)
Better than whoopsies?
Yes, but not quite as good as a "shucky darn".
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 May 2004 04:51:37 PM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:32:21 +0000 in episode
<VZmtc.4465$H4.237@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.23.22.07.107358@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:45:05 +0000 in episode
<lQ3tc.4407$H4.134@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.32.18.136256@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K.
Bilbo says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because
it was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
Hell, yes. "Boo boos" are the best ;)
Better than whoopsies?
Yes, but not quite as good as a "shucky darn".
Well, "shucky darns" are just *funnier...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "walksalone" |
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26 May 2004 02:08:04 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 16:45:05 GMT, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <pan.2004.05.26.15.32.18.136256@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:17 +0000 in episode
<Jc1tc.4376$H4.211@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40B3E780.169401A6@comcast.net>, Paul Duca says...
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
Me, me, me! High school senior + college freshman - birthcontrol =
Witchypoo ;)
You too?
Hell, yes. "Boo boos" are the best ;)
Well, I am not claiming the Bar Sinister [the hell I am not], but I'm not
convinced that an eager young bride can do in seven months what it takes a
Princess or cow nine months to do.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
walksalone who knows war time passions run high, & children
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| User: "Spooked " |
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25 May 2004 08:10:27 PM |
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Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
<raising hand>
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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25 May 2004 09:32:39 PM |
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<Spooked> wrote in message
news:5jr7b0hi16qo45hoq6o44eept7frb87n4f@4ax.com...
Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it
was
an accident?
<raising hand>
Ya got my vote.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority of
the wealthy.
Greg Bear
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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26 May 2004 08:40:43 AM |
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In article <5jr7b0hi16qo45hoq6o44eept7frb87n4f@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
<raising hand>
Me too ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Spooked " |
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26 May 2004 01:09:24 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <5jr7b0hi16qo45hoq6o44eept7frb87n4f@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
<raising hand>
Me too ;)
You lil' devil <BG>
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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26 May 2004 03:02:25 PM |
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In article <i9n9b0t7tlniq7fbraaohv69lrcb49num5@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <5jr7b0hi16qo45hoq6o44eept7frb87n4f@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Paul Duca <tomservo@comcast.net> wrote:
But how many people today are alive...i.e,, HERE because it was
an accident?
<raising hand>
Me too ;)
You lil' devil <BG>
Hey, it's not like I had a choice in the matter, ya know ;)
Hmm, you know, I DON'T know my birthfather's identity. Could it
be...............SATAN?!?
Well, it would explain my pointy ears ;D
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Spooked " |
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26 May 2004 04:05:41 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
Well, it would explain my pointy ears ;D
Oh yeah, talk that trash witchypoo! <steps inside of the pentagram>
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 May 2004 09:46:17 AM |
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In article <th1ab09723bmvt9hc46vulv64kq1jr40kk@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
Well, it would explain my pointy ears ;D
Oh yeah, talk that trash witchypoo! <steps inside of the pentagram>
<chuckle> Better safe, than sorry, eh? :)
Just mind the altar and the athame.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Spooked " |
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27 May 2004 04:46:59 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <th1ab09723bmvt9hc46vulv64kq1jr40kk@4ax.com>, Spooked says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
Well, it would explain my pointy ears ;D
Oh yeah, talk that trash witchypoo! <steps inside of the pentagram>
<chuckle> Better safe, than sorry, eh? :)
Just mind the altar and the athame.
Yeah, wouldn't want to break the altar's pretty back ;+P
<more accurately, stepping insida circle-O-protection> Ouch, damn
candles!!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 May 2004 06:32:54 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters
or symbols is required.
And yet they don't exist.
People attribute letters to DNA, depicting sequences in letter
format, but that's only for convenience sake. Another culture
would have chosen something else.
Now, as you begin with an error there is no need to advance
any further into your mindless spew. It all rests on this error,
it's all based on this initial mistake.
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| User: "Shaun and Marie" |
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19 May 2004 07:26:49 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters
or symbols is required.
And yet they don't exist.
People attribute letters to DNA, depicting sequences in letter
format, but that's only for convenience sake. Another culture
would have chosen something else.
Now, as you begin with an error there is no need to advance
any further into your mindless spew. It all rests on this error,
it's all based on this initial mistake.
With or without any linguistic process of metaphysical representation
(esp. natural order independent of science), the order itself exists.
This is an undeniable fact of reason! (The pursuit of order is only
principally rational if it is assumed that intelligent order exists
(that's what Einstein did, anyway)).
The order itself shows an awesomeness and profundity that can either be
accepted as just what it is, a profoundly awesome order transcending
human thinking and emanating from a higher Wisdom or alternatively one
can fall into the mental disease of interpreting one's own incapacity as
reality. God willing, I don't do that. Human beings have a greater
potential that!
Science will only be half-decent as it has been Intended when the
universe is understood in terms of a holistic intelligence, a pantology
of human consciousness integrated with an all-encompassing model
minutely reflecting the higher light from Above. Scientific
anti-realism will not accomplish this.
I know ... they don't teach this in school (sadly, German rationalism is
having its heyday in the "free-minded" thinkers of our time).
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| User: "Kermit" |
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27 May 2004 06:02:16 PM |
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Shaun and Marie <shaunandmarie@cenazcom.net> wrote in message news:<40abfb91$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters
or symbols is required.
And yet they don't exist.
People attribute letters to DNA, depicting sequences in letter
format, but that's only for convenience sake. Another culture
would have chosen something else.
Now, as you begin with an error there is no need to advance
any further into your mindless spew. It all rests on this error,
it's all based on this initial mistake.
With or without any linguistic process of metaphysical representation
(esp. natural order independent of science), the order itself exists.
This is an undeniable fact of reason! (The pursuit of order is only
principally rational if it is assumed that intelligent order exists
(that's what Einstein did, anyway)).
When did Einstein say that he was pursuing intelligent order?
What is the difference between intelligent order and non-intelligent
order?
Why cannot one seek to understand the universe without claiming to
seek intelligence?
The order itself shows an awesomeness and profundity that can either be
accepted as just what it is, a profoundly awesome order transcending
human thinking and emanating from a higher Wisdom
So, the night stars blow your mind. That's nice; how does that imply
non-human intelligence? Do you have any evidence for this assertion,
or does your argument consist entirely of awe?
or alternatively one
can fall into the mental disease of interpreting one's own incapacity as
reality.
False dichotomy. One could consider the possibility that, for
instance, the universe is complex but not a result of intelligence.
Looks to me, at first glance, as though you are interpreting your own
incapacity as evidence for God. Is that a mental disease, or just poor
thinking?
God willing, I don't do that. Human beings have a greater
potential that!
Science will only be half-decent as it has been Intended
By whom?
when the
universe is understood in terms of a holistic intelligence,
Why should we accept your word for it that you have this figured out?
a pantology
of human consciousness integrated with an all-encompassing model
minutely reflecting the higher light from Above.
Unless, of course, you are spouting nonsense. Do you propose any tests
for determining if this is so?
What does this higher light look like?
How does your sense of awe establish a deity?
If science is intended for this "higher" goal, why do you not study
science and use its methods?
How does simply learning how the universe works differ from being
"integrated with an all-emcompassing model"?
Scientific
anti-realism will not accomplish this.
In what way is science "anti-realistic" except in its disagreeing with
your vague assertions?
I know ... they don't teach this in school (sadly, German rationalism is
having its heyday in the "free-minded" thinkers of our time).
I'm sure they teach it *somewhere. Have you tried calling around the
private schools in Berkeley?
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Kermit
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19 May 2004 11:26:10 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1905040916080001@pm3-18.kalama.com...
Life Processes-No Accident
Information-coded, purposeful, complex and specified is the basis for all
life. Philip E. Johnson says that:
"The information that directs the life processes-like any other meaningful
text- needs to be complex, aperiodic, and specified.
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters or symbols
is required.
The second means that the order of the letters is not directed by physical
or chemical laws, which by their nature produce only simply repeating
patterns(such as printing "ABC" over and over again until the printer runs
out of paper).
The third requirement means that not just any order will do but only the
precise order required to produce the encyclopedia, or computer operating
progarm, or array of cellular proteins coded for in the DNA nucleotides.
Genuinely creative evolution thus requires a mechanism capable of creating
immense amounts of complex , specified, aperiodic genetic information.
Random mutation is not such a mechanism, nor is natural selection, nor is
any physical or chemical law. Laws produce simple repetitive order, and
chance produces meaningless disorder. When combined[as in evolution
theory] law and chance work against each other to prevent the emergence of
a meaningful sequence.
In all human experience, only intelligent agency can write an encyclopedia
or a computer program, or produce complex specified aperodic information
in any form. Therefore, the information necessarily present in organisms
points to the conclusion that they are products of intelligent design". *
*"The Wedge of Truth", Phillip E. Johnson, 2000, p. 127
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there must be a
Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His son, whom He hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also He MADE the worlds; " Hebrews 1:2
Yes, and as an attorney, Johnson isn't as qualified to make that statement
as you are so that shows the worth of his statement.
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| User: "Joe" |
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19 May 2004 05:39:10 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1905040916080001@pm3-18.kalama.com...
Life Processes-No Accident
Information-coded, purposeful, complex and specified is the basis for all
life. Philip E. Johnson says that:
"The information that directs the life processes-like any other meaningful
text- needs to be complex, aperiodic, and specified.
Now who do you suppose is specifying the genetic code for all them thar
nasty infectious diseases, viruses and bateria? ***** that person.
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters or symbols
is required.
The second means that the order of the letters is not directed by physical
or chemical laws, which by their nature produce only simply repeating
patterns(such as printing "ABC" over and over again until the printer runs
out of paper).
The third requirement means that not just any order will do but only the
precise order required to produce the encyclopedia, or computer operating
progarm, or array of cellular proteins coded for in the DNA nucleotides.
Genuinely creative evolution thus requires a mechanism capable of creating
immense amounts of complex , specified, aperiodic genetic information.
Random mutation is not such a mechanism, nor is natural selection, nor is
any physical or chemical law. Laws produce simple repetitive order, and
chance produces meaningless disorder. When combined[as in evolution
theory] law and chance work against each other to prevent the emergence of
a meaningful sequence.
In all human experience, only intelligent agency can write an encyclopedia
or a computer program, or produce complex specified aperodic information
in any form. Therefore, the information necessarily present in organisms
points to the conclusion that they are products of intelligent design". *
That would not be a necessary conclusion in fact.
*"The Wedge of Truth", Phillip E. Johnson, 2000, p. 127
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there must be a
Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer and that
designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His son, whom He hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also He MADE the worlds; " Hebrews 1:2
Barf
Joe
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| User: "Spooked " |
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19 May 2004 05:42:27 PM |
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"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote:
because someone wrote:
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there must be a
Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer and that
designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
......Award of Excellence.....!
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| User: "Tiger" |
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19 May 2004 05:59:29 PM |
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Spooked <> wrote in news:7jona0pld2g4cv3b5otr4ms2lcd5v174ng@4ax.com:
"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote:
because someone wrote:
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there
must be a Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer
and that designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
.....Award of Excellence.....!
Everyone knows Lothar is one of the Hill People...not a god.
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Tiger
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
19 May 2004 07:54:28 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:59:29 GMT, Tiger left the following in public view,
follow up set to arcb.
Spooked <> wrote in news:7jona0pld2g4cv3b5otr4ms2lcd5v174ng@4ax.com:
"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote:
because someone wrote:
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there
must be a Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer
and that designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
.....Award of Excellence.....!
Everyone knows Lothar is one of the Hill People...not a god.
Fortunately I am not everyone. Now these hill people, would that be the
Sidhe, or some other variation?
walksalone who has long since noticed when it is common knowledge, odds
favor it being wrong.
--
Letakos-Lesa Pawnee
In the beginning of all things, wisdom and knowledge were with the animals,
for Tirawa, the One Above, did not speak directly to man. He sent certain
animals to tell men that he showed himself through the beast, and that from
them, and from the stars and the sun and moon should man learn.. all things
tell of Tirawa.
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| User: "Spooked " |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
19 May 2004 06:21:49 PM |
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Tiger <Tiger@box.invalid> wrote:
Spooked <> wrote in news:7jona0pld2g4cv3b5otr4ms2lcd5v174ng@4ax.com:
"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote:
because someone wrote:
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there
must be a Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer
and that designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
.....Award of Excellence.....!
Everyone knows Lothar is one of the Hill People...not a god.
I'm not everyone and I don't care. Your information only exemplifies
the
......Award of Excellence....!
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| User: "Richard Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
19 May 2004 11:08:48 PM |
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funny how people that do not believe in God use his name all the time, for
someone who does not exist you sure use his name a lot, I never hear someone
say "devildam, or satandamm) does not that tell you something, it should!
"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10ankv49adgfa02@corp.supernews.com...
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1905040916080001@pm3-18.kalama.com...
Life Processes-No Accident
Information-coded, purposeful, complex and specified is the basis for
all
life. Philip E. Johnson says that:
"The information that directs the life processes-like any other
meaningful
text- needs to be complex, aperiodic, and specified.
Now who do you suppose is specifying the genetic code for all them thar
nasty infectious diseases, viruses and bateria? ***** that person.
The first requirement means that a very long string of letters or
symbols
is required.
The second means that the order of the letters is not directed by
physical
or chemical laws, which by their nature produce only simply repeating
patterns(such as printing "ABC" over and over again until the printer
runs
out of paper).
The third requirement means that not just any order will do but only the
precise order required to produce the encyclopedia, or computer
operating
progarm, or array of cellular proteins coded for in the DNA nucleotides.
Genuinely creative evolution thus requires a mechanism capable of
creating
immense amounts of complex , specified, aperiodic genetic information.
Random mutation is not such a mechanism, nor is natural selection, nor
is
any physical or chemical law. Laws produce simple repetitive order, and
chance produces meaningless disorder. When combined[as in evolution
theory] law and chance work against each other to prevent the emergence
of
a meaningful sequence.
In all human experience, only intelligent agency can write an
encyclopedia
or a computer program, or produce complex specified aperodic information
in any form. Therefore, the information necessarily present in
organisms
points to the conclusion that they are products of intelligent design".
*
That would not be a necessary conclusion in fact.
*"The Wedge of Truth", Phillip E. Johnson, 2000, p. 127
And if intelligent design is required than it follows that there must be
a
Designer and that Designer is the Lord Jesus Christ:
And it follows that an intellegent designer created that designer and that
designer is Lothar of the Cosmos.
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His son, whom He hath
appointed
heir of all things, by whom also He MADE the worlds; " Hebrews 1:2
Barf
Joe
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
20 May 2004 07:34:05 AM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2eWqc.46387$pJ1.38101@lakeread02:
funny how people that do not believe in God use his name all the
time, for someone who does not exist you sure use his name a lot,
And, of course, that completely excuses you from addressing the point of
the message, right?
I
never hear someone say "devildam, or satandamm) does not that tell you
something, it should!
That none of us grew up in a culture where we heard "devildam, or
satandamm" constantly during our formative years?
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
20 May 2004 08:32:36 AM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2eWqc.46387$pJ1.38101@lakeread02...
funny how people that do not believe in God use his name all the time,
for
someone who does not exist you sure use his name a lot, I never hear
someone
say "devildam, or satandamm) does not that tell you something, it should!
What should it tell us "top posting Richard"?
<snip>
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
20 May 2004 06:24:11 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:08:48 -0700, Richard Jackson pretended to be obtuse,
well, maybe not, with the following.
funny how people that do not believe in God use his name all the time, for
That would be true if the god of the society was not referred to as god,
maybe Isis, Ea, or some other god. But in English speaking country's, the
primary god was not called by name, instead an old Mesopotamian habit of
using alias's for that god came into practice, so god is it.
So a surprise it is not.
someone who does not exist you sure use his name a lot, I never hear someone
Not really, I have yet to hear anyone say Yahweh [the xian god] damn it.
say "devildam, or satandamm) does not that tell you something, it should!
It tells me that words used for not nice words are not restricted to four
letters. Or did you assume you can speak for others?
"Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10ankv49adgfa02@corp.supernews.com...
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1905040916080001@pm3-18.kalama.com...
Life Processes-No Accident
snip, here the prior author could not, or would not go.
walksalone who wonders, is this in the top 5 pretentious arguments bleaters
use to try & prove others believe in their bogy. It sure is aired a lot.
--
"There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher- the
clergyman." [Victor Hugo]
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: Life Processes-No Accident |
19 May 2004 03:54:30 PM |
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12 - 9 = ?
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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