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Date: 30 Oct 2003 10:23:27 PM
Object: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future
Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir
To the north of prosperous Hertzliya, the capital of Israeli high-tech
industry with its plentiful sushi-bars, there is a pleasant beach
below a steep, almost Pacific bank. It is an unattended shore, without
lifeguards, and it is frequented by nature-loving foreigners and the
Palestinian families on their outing to the nearby sanctuary of Sidna
(Our Master) Ali. If you will walk even further north, beyond the
signs forbidding your advance for the very real danger of avalanche,
you will find yourself in a secluded cove, a rarity on the straight
line of the Palestinian shore. It is a beautiful place for a swim in
transparent waters of the Med. Big earth-coloured boulders guard the
cove; at a second careful look you will understand that they are not a
natural formation. They are bastions of the Crusader castle of Arsur,
whose ruins rise on the plateau well above the beach. The bastions
were overturned and dropped into the blue-green sea by Baibars, a
great Arab commander, the vanquisher of Mongols and Crusaders in 13th
century.
The Cove of Arsur
Some 150 years earlier, the Crusaders easily conquered the Holy Land,
and easily settled down. They built their castles and farmsteads,
married local Christian Orthodox and Armenian women, and could live
happily ever after. But they used to invite foreign adventurers and
serve as the beachhead for their landings, and proved their inability
to fit in as a good neighbour. They were given many chances, but they
blew them all and remained a potential ally to any foreign aggressor.
Then, the 'weak and feminine' Levant brought forth Baibars. It is not
enough to expel the Crusaders, he ruled, for it was tried by Saladin;
but the Franks came back. The only way to get rid of them is to
destroy the shore of Palestine so they will never be able to snatch it
again. Castle after castle, settlement after settlement, city after
city, Baibars ruined the seaside of the Holy Land: Caesarea, Askalon,
Jaffa, Arsur. He regretted it, but the alternative was an eternal
warfare in the region.
The Overturned Bastions of Arsur
It seems that history is about to repeat itself. Unless some
unexpected turn of events will occur, the sweet land of Palestine is
doomed to perdition. The German-built, US-equipped nuclear submarines
of the Jewish state poised to wreck havoc in Iran, Syria, Saudi
Arabia, make it abundantly clear ? there is no way Israel will become
a decent neighbour in Levant.
The Jews were given a good chance to strike root in the land of
Palestine and make peace with the native population. But they blew it.
The recent unprovoked Israeli air strike into the depth of Syria
reminded to those who had forgotten that the Jewish state is an
aggressive entity dangerous for the region. Thirty years of calm
between Syria and Israel were dismissed by Sharon's generals as of no
consequence. Nobody was fooled by their clumsy attempt to connect
Syria to the bloody act of personal vengeance meted by the young woman
from al-Halil whose brother and fiancé were murdered and father
refused medical help by the Israeli military. Insightful Malaysian
Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad interpreted that well: "Israel has
been urging America to invade Syria, but Americans seemed to be
reluctant, so in order to force the US hand, Israel carried out the
air strike" [i].
The problem of Israel is not the problem of Palestinian suffering
anymore; it is the problem for the entire region from India to
Ethiopia (Esther, 1) and beyond. Indeed, the fifth column of
Israel-supporters instigates wars all over the world, from Chechnya to
Philippines, from North Korea to Cuba. They push the world straight
into Armageddon. John Bolton calls for takeover of Iran, Murawiec
demands to beat Saudi Arabia. The rabidly Zionist New York Post lifts
its sights to France, "one of America's ugliest enemies" led by
Chirac, "a moral pygmy whose lack of scruples is, fortunately,
balanced by a lack of courage and power." "France should be made to
suffer, strategically and financially. The French stabbed us in the
back. In response, we should skin them alive?, continues the
newspaper, and judging by the Zionist record, it is not just a figure
of speech.
The Jewish state is an extremely dangerous bundle of goods. It is part
of Israeli military doctrine: act crazy, and people will be scared of
you. The bogus threat of nuclear Iraq was modelled on the real threat
of nuclear Israel. Its scientists practice chemical and biological
warfare, as well. They actually tried nerve gas on demonstrators in
Gaza, and water poisoning at the siege of Acre, as reported Abu Sitta
in Al-Ahram.
Israel is involved in a long line of kidnapping and assassinations
carried out on foreign soil. There is no immunity from the long arm of
Israel: they killed in Norway (the notorious Lillehammer affair), they
kidnapped in Rome (Vanunu affair), they bombed British library and
American consulate (Lavon affair), they sunk USS Liberty, they tried
to assassinate Joseph Mugabe, they probably assassinated the
anti-Zionist US Secretary of State James Forrestol, were involved in
the assassination of President Kennedy, as Michael Collins Piper in
<>The Final Judgment<> makes clear, for the American president
insisted on nuclear disarmament of Israel. Recent assassination of
Anna Lindh, the Swedish Foreign Minister, who supported boycott of
Israel, still remains a mystery.
They are not particularly secretive: today we know who assassinated
Count Bernadotte in 1948, and who committed mass murder of German POW
in 1946, and who murdered the Egyptian POWs in 1956, for their
perpetrators boast about it. Tomorrow we shall know who did other
atrocities. But our knowledge won't help, for Israel is a safe haven
for criminals. Whenever caught red-handed, Israel brushed away the
world public opinion, for as Ben Gurion, our first Prime Minister
said, 'what the goyim say is of no importance, only what the Jews do
is of importance'.
This sad record refreshed by the air strike on Syria and the
preparation for nuclear strike on Iran proves there is no way to make
Israel a suitable member of the community of nations. It also answers
the question whether the peace efforts and attempts to roll Israel
back to its old borders are still relevant. They are not. In borders
of 67', 48' or 73', Israel remains a bridgehead of aggression, a
threat to world peace and a physical threat to world leaders. Like the
bloodthirsty sect of Assassins, who once plagued the region,
Israel-supporters undermine or murder better rulers, and support
weaklings who are prepared to act on their orders. Israel's withdrawal
from the West Bank will not change its nature. The leopard can't
change his spots, as Jeremiah the prophet had said (13:23).
Israel's behaviour is partly connected to the Jewish superiority
complex, and its consequence, the apartheid structure. The South
Africa before Mandela also was involved in destruction of its
neighbours, Mozambique and Namibia, and in many plots elsewhere in
Africa. This superiority complex should be treated by dismantling the
apartheid state. The events of last year proved it beyond reasonable
doubt. Dismantlement by peaceful means of democratisation is the only
viable alternative to Israel's otherwise inevitable ruination. While
bringing the brinkmanship policy to the level of 'calculated madness',
Israeli leaders failed to predict they will bring to life a whole
generation that does not care whether they are dead or alive.
Until recently, fear of Israeli retaliation kept its adversaries at
bay. In 1991, the Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had powerful WMD, but
he did not use it against Israel, for he did not feel desperate. He
believed the threat of Israel to destroy Iraq if he uses WMD. He
thought that he could survive the defeat. He did not understand that
Israeli idea of war is drawn on the Jewish religious tradition that
knows no mercy. If Saddam would know that bodies of his tortured sons
would lie in a Baghdad morgue, that he would be turned into a homeless
refugee, that his country will be ruined by ten years of sanctions and
afterwards become prey to Zionist invader, he might be well tempted to
do the Samson solution, and take the Jewish state with him into nether
regions in 1991.
Saddam Hussein is gone, but by now, every leader in the world knows
what he should expect if Israel asks its American Golem for his head.
Paradoxically, the very cruelty of Israel turned its threat into an
empty sound, for if they will do their worst anyway, it makes no sense
to surrender to their demands.
The Jews of Israel repeated the folly of Napoleon in Jaffa. In 1799,
the young Corsican general crossed the Sinai desert and marched north
into Palestine. Rafah and Ramleh surrendered to his troops, for the
Palestinian soldiers saw no reason to fight the passing European
force. Napoleon proceeded to the port of Jaffa, where six thousand
strong garrison of the city also preferred to surrender. They thought
they will be disarmed and sent home, to their villages, but Napoleon
was reluctant to leave so many enemy soldiers behind his lines and
ordered to kill them all. It took the French three days to kill such
mass of people. They were brought in groups from the Armenian St
Nicolas' Convent to the shore and bayoneted.
After this massacre, all Palestine took to weapons. Napoleon's troops
were ambushed at every orange grove, and when he came to the walls of
Acre, there was no talk of surrender. People understood that it just
makes no sense. They could as well die fighting. After a few months of
fruitless efforts, Napoleon turned back, leaving his wounded soldiers
to be slaughtered by advancing enemy. In the gentrified centre of
Jaffa, there is a squat papier?mache figure of le petit caporal in his
triangular hat reminding the tourists and the locals of backfiring
nature of cruelty, but probably the Israeli leaders did not pay it
sufficient attention when their policies brought the country on the
brink of destruction.
The heavy feeling of looming disaster is one of the unmentioned
reasons behind the 'One State Solution' we proposed and advocated.
True, 'one state' would be good for the Palestinians; it would be good
for Israelis. But a new partition, Two States' solution could also
alleviate the Palestinian suffering, as Prof Neumann and many moderate
peace activists rightly noted. It could be even preferred by the
Israeli and Palestinian elites, though an independent state in the
West Bank and Gaza won't solve the problem of refugees. However, in no
way the partition would alleviate the threat to the world peace poised
by the rogue Jewish state, and it won't prevent the imminent disaster
in the Holy Land.
Even a smaller Jewish state will be the seat of Mossad and its
assassination unit, Kidon. Even a smaller Jewish state will possess
nuclear weapons. Even a smaller Jewish state will be poisoned by its
deeply rooted and extremely xenophobic ideology, and will remain a
source of ideological contamination. Even a smaller Jewish state will
be heavily involved in politics of subversion from Moscow to
Washington, DC. And then, it is just a question of time, when a pushed
too far leader of a state ? be it North Korea, Iran, Egypt, or Russia
- will remember the bodies of Saddam' sons and decide to follow the
path of Baibars and of Mongol sultans who removed the Assassins from
their eagle nests. For without Israel, the US forces would hang around
their bases in Georgia and Texas instead of seeking the Jew-haters in
the five continents. Demise of Israel is inevitable; the only question
whether it will be forcibly removed and the land destroyed, or it will
be peacefully absorbed in the region.
Equality in the Holy Land ? it is not only a moral demand; it is the
only way to save the country of approaching destruction. Not us, not
the do-gooders or peace-lovers, but the inevitable course of events
leads us to the choice: equality or death.
Israeli cruelty, vengefulness and inability to respect others called
hundreds of Palestinians to the horrible martyrdom. If, or rather when
a potential martyr will be equipped with a miniaturised nuclear device
instead of home-made dynamite, the sad story of the Jewish state will
be over.
The Jewish belt of Israel is quite small, and just two well-placed
half-megaton nuclear devices can wipe it off the face of Earth. It is
possible that in its last throes, it will make true its threat
vocalised by Prof van Crefeld of Hebrew University and 'go down by
taking the world along', for Israeli nuclear weapons are trained,
according to van Crefeld, at European capitals, as well as on the
neighbours. But no amount of security measures will be able to stop a
nuclear suicide bomber, and she may disregard the fate of people who
failed to protect her and her family.
And then, some years later, the ruins of Tel Aviv will blend smoothly
with the ruins of Arsur.
(i) www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Palestine&slug=Malaysian%25
See also: Israeli Subs have Nukes Aimed at Iranian Sites
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1169
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1158
Last updated 19/10/2003
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User: "baffet"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 02:05:20 PM
(Zardoz) wrote in message news:<30e05725.0310302023.27939f3a@posting.google.com>...

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


Yet another psychopath who made a career out of his Israeli name.
.

User: "JGB"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 10:36:02 AM
(Zardoz) wrote in message news:<30e05725.0310302023.27939f3a@posting.google.com>...

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


To the north of prosperous Hertzliya, the capital of Israeli high-tech
industry with its plentiful sushi-bars, there is a pleasant beach
below a steep, almost Pacific bank. It is an unattended shore, without
lifeguards, and it is frequented by nature-loving foreigners and the
Palestinian families on their outing to the nearby sanctuary of Sidna
(Our Master) Ali. <

Yes, the nice Jews let the Arab come to the place they could do nothing
with for a thousand years, but is now a hi tech paradise to visit and
plot their revenge.

If you will walk even further north, beyond the
signs forbidding your advance for the very real danger of avalanche,
you will find yourself in a secluded cove, a rarity on the straight
line of the Palestinian shore. It is a beautiful place for a swim in
transparent waters of the Med. Big earth-coloured boulders guard the
cove; at a second careful look you will understand that they are not a
natural formation. They are bastions of the Crusader castle of Arsur,
whose ruins rise on the plateau well above the beach. The bastions
were overturned and dropped into the blue-green sea by Baibars, a
great Arab commander, the vanquisher of Mongols and Crusaders in 13th
century.<

YEah, well the French, English and Germans had a homeland to go back
to. Maybe this "Shamir," probably of reticent Yekke or other Ashkenazi
background should go back to try to mate with the skinheads of Germany,
or Russia or Poland. He obviously doesn't see Israel as his true homeland.

The Cove of Arsur

Some 150 years earlier, the Crusaders easily conquered the Holy Land,
and easily settled down. They built their castles and farmsteads,
married local Christian Orthodox and Armenian women, and could live
happily ever after. But they used to invite foreign adventurers and
serve as the beachhead for their landings, and proved their inability
to fit in as a good neighbour. They were given many chances, but they

blew them all and remained a potential ally to any foreign aggressor.

Then, the 'weak and feminine' Levant brought forth Baibars. It is not
enough to expel the Crusaders, he ruled, for it was tried by Saladin;
but the Franks came back. The only way to get rid of them is to
destroy the shore of Palestine so they will never be able to snatch it
again. Castle after castle, settlement after settlement, city after
city, Baibars ruined the seaside of the Holy Land: Caesarea, Askalon,
Jaffa, Arsur. He regretted it, but the alternative was an eternal
warfare in the region.

The Overturned Bastions of Arsur
It seems that history is about to repeat itself. Unless some
unexpected turn of events will occur, the sweet land of Palestine is
doomed to perdition. The German-built, US-equipped nuclear submarines
of the Jewish state poised to wreck havoc in Iran, Syria, Saudi
Arabia, make it abundantly clear ? there is no way Israel will become
a decent neighbour in Levant.<

No, it makes more certain that the ARabs will die along with the JEws
next time. Anyway, what did they make out of Palestine after the Crusaders
were drive out? Nothing. Just like in Afghanistan. Just as in Somalia.
Arab Islam itself produces nothing. Only the civilizations it took over and
imposed itself on produced anything. The Arabs produced nothing but
grazing sheep and terrorists.

The Jews were given a good chance to strike root in the land of
Palestine and make peace with the native population. But they blew it.<

The Arabs in Palestine blew it. They could have been living happily and
prosperously in peace, but that wouldn't be in their nature unless they
were the overlords. As for the rest of this, the only way to fight Mafia
is using Mafia methods. THe only way to successfully counter the terrorists
is to terrorize the terrorists. Sharon tries, but his hands are tied
by the Israeli Left. He could have finished Arafat and the PLO in '82 and
killed them all then, but "Don" Yassir and his Arab mafia have been under
UN, US and EU protection for a long time. He's untouchable and he knows
it. He's the true Teflon Don. Don Arafat, chief capo and King of the Terrorists
knows he's untouchable. Even more than John Gotti. He's got more Jewish liberal
lawyers in Israel to defend him than even the mafia boss of New York.
And so it goes.

The recent unprovoked Israeli air strike into the depth of Syria
reminded to those who had forgotten that the Jewish state is an
aggressive entity dangerous for the region. Thirty years of calm
between Syria and Israel were dismissed by Sharon's generals as of no
consequence. Nobody was fooled by their clumsy attempt to connect
Syria to the bloody act of personal vengeance meted by the young woman
from al-Halil whose brother and fiancé were murdered and father
refused medical help by the Israeli military. Insightful Malaysian
Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad interpreted that well: "Israel has
been urging America to invade Syria, but Americans seemed to be
reluctant, so in order to force the US hand, Israel carried out the
air strike" [i].<

No,it was to remined Bashar Assad that sending support to Hamas was a
dangerous option.

The problem of Israel is not the problem of Palestinian suffering
anymore; it is the problem for the entire region from India to
Ethiopia (Esther, 1) and beyond. Indeed, the fifth column of
Israel-supporters instigates wars all over the world, from Chechnya to
Philippines, from North Korea to Cuba. They push the world straight
into Armageddon. John Bolton calls for takeover of Iran, Murawiec
demands to beat Saudi Arabia. The rabidly Zionist New York Post lifts
its sights to France, "one of America's ugliest enemies" led by
Chirac, "a moral pygmy whose lack of scruples is, fortunately,
balanced by a lack of courage and power." "France should be made to
suffer, strategically and financially. The French stabbed us in the
back. In response, we should skin them alive?, continues the
newspaper, and judging by the Zionist record, it is not just a figure
of speech.>
The Jewish state is an extremely dangerous bundle of goods. It is part
of Israeli military doctrine: act crazy, and people will be scared of
you. The bogus threat of nuclear Iraq was modelled on the real threat
of nuclear Israel. Its scientists practice chemical and biological
warfare, as well. They actually tried nerve gas on demonstrators in
Gaza, and water poisoning at the siege of Acre, as reported Abu Sitta
in Al-Ahram.
Israel is involved in a long line of kidnapping and assassinations
carried out on foreign soil. There is no immunity from the long arm of
Israel: they killed in Norway (the notorious Lillehammer affair), they
kidnapped in Rome (Vanunu affair), they bombed British library and
American consulate (Lavon affair), they sunk USS Liberty, they tried
to assassinate Joseph Mugabe, they probably assassinated the
anti-Zionist US Secretary of State James Forrestol, were involved in
the assassination of President Kennedy, as Michael Collins Piper in
<>The Final Judgment<> makes clear, for the American president
insisted on nuclear disarmament of Israel. Recent assassination of
Anna Lindh, the Swedish Foreign Minister, who supported boycott of
Israel, still remains a mystery.
They are not particularly secretive: today we know who assassinated
Count Bernadotte in 1948, and who committed mass murder of German POW
in 1946, and who murdered the Egyptian POWs in 1956, for their
perpetrators boast about it. Tomorrow we shall know who did other
atrocities. But our knowledge won't help, for Israel is a safe haven
for criminals. Whenever caught red-handed, Israel brushed away the
world public opinion, for as Ben Gurion, our first Prime Minister
said, 'what the goyim say is of no importance, only what the Jews do
is of importance'.
This sad record refreshed by the air strike on Syria and the
preparation for nuclear strike on Iran proves there is no way to make
Israel a suitable member of the community of nations. It also answers
the question whether the peace efforts and attempts to roll Israel
back to its old borders are still relevant. They are not. In borders
of 67', 48' or 73', Israel remains a bridgehead of aggression, a
threat to world peace and a physical threat to world leaders. Like the
bloodthirsty sect of Assassins, who once plagued the region,
Israel-supporters undermine or murder better rulers, and support
weaklings who are prepared to act on their orders. Israel's withdrawal
from the West Bank will not change its nature. The leopard can't
change his spots, as Jeremiah the prophet had said (13:23).

Israel's behaviour is partly connected to the Jewish superiority
complex, and its consequence, the apartheid structure. The South
Africa before Mandela also was involved in destruction of its
neighbours, Mozambique and Namibia, and in many plots elsewhere in
Africa. This superiority complex should be treated by dismantling the
apartheid state. The events of last year proved it beyond reasonable
doubt. Dismantlement by peaceful means of democratisation is the only
viable alternative to Israel's otherwise inevitable ruination. While
bringing the brinkmanship policy to the level of 'calculated madness',
Israeli leaders failed to predict they will bring to life a whole
generation that does not care whether they are dead or alive.

Until recently, fear of Israeli retaliation kept its adversaries at
bay. In 1991, the Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had powerful WMD, but
he did not use it against Israel, for he did not feel desperate. He
believed the threat of Israel to destroy Iraq if he uses WMD. He
thought that he could survive the defeat. He did not understand that
Israeli idea of war is drawn on the Jewish religious tradition that
knows no mercy. If Saddam would know that bodies of his tortured sons
would lie in a Baghdad morgue, that he would be turned into a homeless
refugee, that his country will be ruined by ten years of sanctions and
afterwards become prey to Zionist invader, he might be well tempted to
do the Samson solution, and take the Jewish state with him into nether
regions in 1991.

Saddam Hussein is gone, but by now, every leader in the world knows
what he should expect if Israel asks its American Golem for his head.
Paradoxically, the very cruelty of Israel turned its threat into an
empty sound, for if they will do their worst anyway, it makes no sense
to surrender to their demands.

The Jews of Israel repeated the folly of Napoleon in Jaffa. In 1799,
the young Corsican general crossed the Sinai desert and marched north
into Palestine. Rafah and Ramleh surrendered to his troops, for the
Palestinian soldiers saw no reason to fight the passing European
force. Napoleon proceeded to the port of Jaffa, where six thousand
strong garrison of the city also preferred to surrender. They thought
they will be disarmed and sent home, to their villages, but Napoleon
was reluctant to leave so many enemy soldiers behind his lines and
ordered to kill them all. It took the French three days to kill such
mass of people. They were brought in groups from the Armenian St
Nicolas' Convent to the shore and bayoneted.

After this massacre, all Palestine took to weapons. Napoleon's troops
were ambushed at every orange grove, and when he came to the walls of
Acre, there was no talk of surrender. People understood that it just
makes no sense. They could as well die fighting. After a few months of
fruitless efforts, Napoleon turned back, leaving his wounded soldiers
to be slaughtered by advancing enemy. In the gentrified centre of
Jaffa, there is a squat papier?mache figure of le petit caporal in his
triangular hat reminding the tourists and the locals of backfiring
nature of cruelty, but probably the Israeli leaders did not pay it
sufficient attention when their policies brought the country on the
brink of destruction.

The heavy feeling of looming disaster is one of the unmentioned
reasons behind the 'One State Solution' we proposed and advocated.
True, 'one state' would be good for the Palestinians; it would be good
for Israelis. But a new partition, Two States' solution could also
alleviate the Palestinian suffering, as Prof Neumann and many moderate
peace activists rightly noted. It could be even preferred by the
Israeli and Palestinian elites, though an independent state in the
West Bank and Gaza won't solve the problem of refugees. However, in no
way the partition would alleviate the threat to the world peace poised
by the rogue Jewish state, and it won't prevent the imminent disaster
in the Holy Land.

Even a smaller Jewish state will be the seat of Mossad and its
assassination unit, Kidon. Even a smaller Jewish state will possess
nuclear weapons. Even a smaller Jewish state will be poisoned by its
deeply rooted and extremely xenophobic ideology, and will remain a
source of ideological contamination. Even a smaller Jewish state will
be heavily involved in politics of subversion from Moscow to
Washington, DC. And then, it is just a question of time, when a pushed
too far leader of a state ? be it North Korea, Iran, Egypt, or Russia
- will remember the bodies of Saddam' sons and decide to follow the
path of Baibars and of Mongol sultans who removed the Assassins from
their eagle nests. For without Israel, the US forces would hang around
their bases in Georgia and Texas instead of seeking the Jew-haters in
the five continents. Demise of Israel is inevitable; the only question
whether it will be forcibly removed and the land destroyed, or it will
be peacefully absorbed in the region.

Equality in the Holy Land ? it is not only a moral demand; it is the
only way to save the country of approaching destruction. Not us, not
the do-gooders or peace-lovers, but the inevitable course of events
leads us to the choice: equality or death.

Israeli cruelty, vengefulness and inability to respect others called
hundreds of Palestinians to the horrible martyrdom. If, or rather when
a potential martyr will be equipped with a miniaturised nuclear device
instead of home-made dynamite, the sad story of the Jewish state will
be over.

The Jewish belt of Israel is quite small, and just two well-placed
half-megaton nuclear devices can wipe it off the face of Earth. It is
possible that in its last throes, it will make true its threat
vocalised by Prof van Crefeld of Hebrew University and 'go down by
taking the world along', for Israeli nuclear weapons are trained,
according to van Crefeld, at European capitals, as well as on the
neighbours. But no amount of security measures will be able to stop a
nuclear suicide bomber, and she may disregard the fate of people who
failed to protect her and her family.

And then, some years later, the ruins of Tel Aviv will blend smoothly
with the ruins of Arsur.

(i) www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Palestine&slug=Malaysian%25

See also: Israeli Subs have Nukes Aimed at Iranian Sites
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1169

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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1158

Last updated 19/10/2003

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User: "ArWeGod"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 01 Nov 2003 05:33:05 AM

Israeli nuclear weapons are trained,
according to van Crefeld, at European capitals

Prove it.
.

User: "David T"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 05:47:59 AM
On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,
(Zardoz) wrote:

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir

Ahh, the typical illiterate academic with a point to try to grind
home. He picks an arbitrary point in time in order to slander the
West.
If either he or you would be honest, you'd acknowledge that Arabs are
called that because they came from the Arabian Peninsula. You'd admit
they came out of the Peninsula on a holy Jihad to spread Islam and
attacked their way across North Africal and up in to Spain, up through
what is now Turkey and in to Eastern Europe, and also East as far as
India.
It took them almost as century of attacks and seiges to finallly
intentionally destroy the Holy Roman Empire, sack Constantinope, kill
and eject Christians, destroy churches and convert others to mosques.
As they moved they sacked villages, killed infidels and destroyed
churches, temples and synagogues of older religions.
The Crusaders were a direct response to the Arab invaders taking the
Christian Holy Land, destroying sacred sites and preventing
pilgrimages of Christians from Europe. The Crusades were only bad from
the point of what it did to European surfdom. If the Muslims hadn't
been who they are and didn't do what they did, there wouldn't have
been crusades.
So just as the Romans, HRE, Arabs, Ottomans and British kept Jews from
our land, Jews again have a country where we once had a nation, though
it's much smaller now. If you want to discuss crusader-like countries
you should discuss every "Arab" government outside of the Arabian
Peninsula.
Back to school for you.
.
User: "Not-easily-duped"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 09:49:48 AM
David T <icne2469nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1ii4qvk8cav7qj92v6qsdjurf5hraod9c5@4ax.com>...

On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,

(Zardoz) wrote:

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


Ahh, the typical illiterate academic with a point to try to grind
home. He picks an arbitrary point in time in order to slander the
West.

If either he or you would be honest, you'd acknowledge that Arabs are
called that because they came from the Arabian Peninsula. You'd admit
they came out of the Peninsula on a holy Jihad to spread Islam and
attacked their way across North Africal

North Africal????????????????????????????????????????
That name is North Africa

It took them almost as century of attacks and seiges to finallly
intentionally destroy the Holy Roman Empire, sack Constantinope, kill
and eject Christians, destroy churches and convert others to mosques.
As they moved they sacked villages, killed infidels and destroyed
churches, temples and synagogues of older religions.

The Crusaders were a direct response to the Arab invaders taking the
Christian Holy Land, destroying sacred sites and preventing
pilgrimages of Christians from Europe. The Crusades were only bad from
the point of what it did to European surfdom. If the Muslims hadn't
been who they are and didn't do what they did, there wouldn't have
been crusades.

So just as the Romans, HRE, Arabs, Ottomans and British kept Jews from
our land, Jews again have a country where we once had a nation, though
it's much smaller now. If you want to discuss crusader-like countries
you should discuss every "Arab" government outside of the Arabian
Peninsula.

Back to school for you.

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User: "TonyaK911"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 10:05:25 AM
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0310310749.51c6507b@posting.google.com...

David T <icne2469nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

If either he or you would be honest, you'd acknowledge that Arabs are
called that because they came from the Arabian Peninsula. You'd admit
they came out of the Peninsula on a holy Jihad to spread Islam and
attacked their way across North Africal


North Africal????????????????????????????????????????
That name is North Africa

Oh yeah... this is a sure proof the Codebreaker aint easily duped: don't
y'all see how smart and literate he is!?
And full of substance...
;)))
TK9
.



User: "raven1"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 12:31:14 AM
On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,
(Zardoz) wrote:
A frog and a scorpion met on the banks of the River Jordan.
"Brother Frog", asked the scorpion, "will you carry me across the
river on your back?"
"Surely not, Brother Scorpion", replied the frog, "You would sting me,
and I would die!"
"Surely, I would not do so, Brother Frog", said the scorpion, "for
then we would both assuredly drown."
Thus assuaged, the frog allowed the scorpion to climb on his back, and
began to swim across the river.
Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog.
As paralysis began to set in, the frog asked, despairingly, "Brother
Scorpion, you have killed us both! Why did you do that? Where is the
logic in it?"
As they went under, the scorpion replied sadly, "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, this is the Middle East"...
.
User: "Matthew"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 09:11:56 AM
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:lc04qvg2tu2qm3h851a6m0grqsl55v36m2@4ax.com...

On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,

(Zardoz) wrote:

A frog and a scorpion met on the banks of the River Jordan.

"Brother Frog", asked the scorpion, "will you carry me across the
river on your back?"

"Surely not, Brother Scorpion", replied the frog, "You would sting me,
and I would die!"

"Surely, I would not do so, Brother Frog", said the scorpion, "for
then we would both assuredly drown."

Thus assuaged, the frog allowed the scorpion to climb on his back, and
began to swim across the river.

Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog.

As paralysis began to set in, the frog asked, despairingly, "Brother
Scorpion, you have killed us both! Why did you do that? Where is the
logic in it?"

As they went under, the scorpion replied sadly, "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, this is the Middle East"...


I heard the last line as "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, I am a scorpion"...
.
User: "raven1"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 02:48:30 PM
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 02:11:56 +1100, "Matthew"
<mlonergan@netspace.net.au> wrote:


"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:lc04qvg2tu2qm3h851a6m0grqsl55v36m2@4ax.com...

On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,

(Zardoz) wrote:

A frog and a scorpion met on the banks of the River Jordan.

"Brother Frog", asked the scorpion, "will you carry me across the
river on your back?"

"Surely not, Brother Scorpion", replied the frog, "You would sting me,
and I would die!"

"Surely, I would not do so, Brother Frog", said the scorpion, "for
then we would both assuredly drown."

Thus assuaged, the frog allowed the scorpion to climb on his back, and
began to swim across the river.

Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog.

As paralysis began to set in, the frog asked, despairingly, "Brother
Scorpion, you have killed us both! Why did you do that? Where is the
logic in it?"

As they went under, the scorpion replied sadly, "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, this is the Middle East"...


I heard the last line as "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, I am a scorpion"...

I think you missed the point. My line is funnier and to the point.
.
User: "Peter Jason"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 06:52:14 PM
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:kji5qv0dbios7qdb9brbnjsou7q3a1cmvt@4ax.com...

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 02:11:56 +1100, "Matthew"
<mlonergan@netspace.net.au> wrote:


"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:lc04qvg2tu2qm3h851a6m0grqsl55v36m2@4ax.com...

On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,

(Zardoz) wrote:

A frog and a scorpion met on the banks of the River Jordan.

"Brother Frog", asked the scorpion, "will you carry me across the
river on your back?"

"Surely not, Brother Scorpion", replied the frog, "You would sting me,
and I would die!"

"Surely, I would not do so, Brother Frog", said the scorpion, "for
then we would both assuredly drown."

Thus assuaged, the frog allowed the scorpion to climb on his back, and
began to swim across the river.

Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog.

As paralysis began to set in, the frog asked, despairingly, "Brother
Scorpion, you have killed us both! Why did you do that? Where is the
logic in it?"

As they went under, the scorpion replied sadly, "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, this is the Middle East"...


I heard the last line as "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, I am a scorpion"...


I think you missed the point. My line is funnier and to the point.

I think the point is more subtle. What are these two low-lifes doing in
such a place anyway? The middle east has always been at flash point because
it is a route from Africa to everywhere else, and those with a serious
life-wish move on and leave the rest to fight and fester. Other examples
would be the Catholic/Scottish-protestant stoush in Ulster, and the Eta
brawl in Spain, though there are countless others. There may be some deep
inate need for these monkeys to fight, so let us clear out and let them do
it!
.
User: "raven1"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 09:12:04 PM
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:52:14 +1100, "Peter Jason" <paul@colonel.com.au>
wrote:

I think the point is more subtle. What are these two low-lifes doing in
such a place anyway?

Err, frog, scorpion, river bank...
Aww, *****.
You had to be there.
<snip deliberately inflammatory nonsense>
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User: "I Lost Three Claytons In Three Weeks With Atheislim!"

Title: Re: A parable 31 Oct 2003 08:23:03 PM
"raven1" <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:lc04qvg2tu2qm3h851a6m0grqsl55v36m2@4ax.com...

On 30 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0800,

(Zardoz) wrote:

A frog and a scorpion met on the banks of the River Jordan.

"Brother Frog", asked the scorpion, "will you carry me across the
river on your back?"

"Surely not, Brother Scorpion", replied the frog, "You would sting me,
and I would die!"

"Surely, I would not do so, Brother Frog", said the scorpion, "for
then we would both assuredly drown."

Thus assuaged, the frog allowed the scorpion to climb on his back, and
began to swim across the river.

Halfway across, the scorpion stung the frog.

As paralysis began to set in, the frog asked, despairingly, "Brother
Scorpion, you have killed us both! Why did you do that? Where is the
logic in it?"

As they went under, the scorpion replied sadly, "Logic, Brother Frog?
You forget, this is the Middle East"...

Nice little twist on the classic tale. Golf clap awarded to the clever
little head banger in black.



.


User: "Sakic"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 01 Nov 2003 07:59:55 AM
What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?
..zardoz233@hotmail.com (Zardoz) wrote in message news:<30e05725.0310302023.27939f3a@posting.google.com>...

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


To the north of prosperous Hertzliya, the capital of Israeli high-tech
industry with its plentiful sushi-bars, there is a pleasant beach
below a steep, almost Pacific bank. It is an unattended shore, without
lifeguards, and it is frequented by nature-loving foreigners and the
Palestinian families on their outing to the nearby sanctuary of Sidna
(Our Master) Ali. If you will walk even further north, beyond the
signs forbidding your advance for the very real danger of avalanche,
you will find yourself in a secluded cove, a rarity on the straight
line of the Palestinian shore. It is a beautiful place for a swim in
transparent waters of the Med. Big earth-coloured boulders guard the
cove; at a second careful look you will understand that they are not a
natural formation. They are bastions of the Crusader castle of Arsur,
whose ruins rise on the plateau well above the beach. The bastions
were overturned and dropped into the blue-green sea by Baibars, a
great Arab commander, the vanquisher of Mongols and Crusaders in 13th
century.


The Cove of Arsur

Some 150 years earlier, the Crusaders easily conquered the Holy Land,
and easily settled down. They built their castles and farmsteads,
married local Christian Orthodox and Armenian women, and could live
happily ever after. But they used to invite foreign adventurers and
serve as the beachhead for their landings, and proved their inability
to fit in as a good neighbour. They were given many chances, but they
blew them all and remained a potential ally to any foreign aggressor.

Then, the 'weak and feminine' Levant brought forth Baibars. It is not
enough to expel the Crusaders, he ruled, for it was tried by Saladin;
but the Franks came back. The only way to get rid of them is to
destroy the shore of Palestine so they will never be able to snatch it
again. Castle after castle, settlement after settlement, city after
city, Baibars ruined the seaside of the Holy Land: Caesarea, Askalon,
Jaffa, Arsur. He regretted it, but the alternative was an eternal
warfare in the region.


The Overturned Bastions of Arsur

It seems that history is about to repeat itself. Unless some
unexpected turn of events will occur, the sweet land of Palestine is
doomed to perdition. The German-built, US-equipped nuclear submarines
of the Jewish state poised to wreck havoc in Iran, Syria, Saudi
Arabia, make it abundantly clear ? there is no way Israel will become
a decent neighbour in Levant.

The Jews were given a good chance to strike root in the land of
Palestine and make peace with the native population. But they blew it.
The recent unprovoked Israeli air strike into the depth of Syria
reminded to those who had forgotten that the Jewish state is an
aggressive entity dangerous for the region. Thirty years of calm
between Syria and Israel were dismissed by Sharon's generals as of no
consequence. Nobody was fooled by their clumsy attempt to connect
Syria to the bloody act of personal vengeance meted by the young woman
from al-Halil whose brother and fiancé were murdered and father
refused medical help by the Israeli military. Insightful Malaysian
Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad interpreted that well: "Israel has
been urging America to invade Syria, but Americans seemed to be
reluctant, so in order to force the US hand, Israel carried out the
air strike" [i].

The problem of Israel is not the problem of Palestinian suffering
anymore; it is the problem for the entire region from India to
Ethiopia (Esther, 1) and beyond. Indeed, the fifth column of
Israel-supporters instigates wars all over the world, from Chechnya to
Philippines, from North Korea to Cuba. They push the world straight
into Armageddon. John Bolton calls for takeover of Iran, Murawiec
demands to beat Saudi Arabia. The rabidly Zionist New York Post lifts
its sights to France, "one of America's ugliest enemies" led by
Chirac, "a moral pygmy whose lack of scruples is, fortunately,
balanced by a lack of courage and power." "France should be made to
suffer, strategically and financially. The French stabbed us in the
back. In response, we should skin them alive?, continues the
newspaper, and judging by the Zionist record, it is not just a figure
of speech.

The Jewish state is an extremely dangerous bundle of goods. It is part
of Israeli military doctrine: act crazy, and people will be scared of
you. The bogus threat of nuclear Iraq was modelled on the real threat
of nuclear Israel. Its scientists practice chemical and biological
warfare, as well. They actually tried nerve gas on demonstrators in
Gaza, and water poisoning at the siege of Acre, as reported Abu Sitta
in Al-Ahram.

Israel is involved in a long line of kidnapping and assassinations
carried out on foreign soil. There is no immunity from the long arm of
Israel: they killed in Norway (the notorious Lillehammer affair), they
kidnapped in Rome (Vanunu affair), they bombed British library and
American consulate (Lavon affair), they sunk USS Liberty, they tried
to assassinate Joseph Mugabe, they probably assassinated the
anti-Zionist US Secretary of State James Forrestol, were involved in
the assassination of President Kennedy, as Michael Collins Piper in
<>The Final Judgment<> makes clear, for the American president
insisted on nuclear disarmament of Israel. Recent assassination of
Anna Lindh, the Swedish Foreign Minister, who supported boycott of
Israel, still remains a mystery.

They are not particularly secretive: today we know who assassinated
Count Bernadotte in 1948, and who committed mass murder of German POW
in 1946, and who murdered the Egyptian POWs in 1956, for their
perpetrators boast about it. Tomorrow we shall know who did other
atrocities. But our knowledge won't help, for Israel is a safe haven
for criminals. Whenever caught red-handed, Israel brushed away the
world public opinion, for as Ben Gurion, our first Prime Minister
said, 'what the goyim say is of no importance, only what the Jews do
is of importance'.

This sad record refreshed by the air strike on Syria and the
preparation for nuclear strike on Iran proves there is no way to make
Israel a suitable member of the community of nations. It also answers
the question whether the peace efforts and attempts to roll Israel
back to its old borders are still relevant. They are not. In borders
of 67', 48' or 73', Israel remains a bridgehead of aggression, a
threat to world peace and a physical threat to world leaders. Like the
bloodthirsty sect of Assassins, who once plagued the region,
Israel-supporters undermine or murder better rulers, and support
weaklings who are prepared to act on their orders. Israel's withdrawal
from the West Bank will not change its nature. The leopard can't
change his spots, as Jeremiah the prophet had said (13:23).

Israel's behaviour is partly connected to the Jewish superiority
complex, and its consequence, the apartheid structure. The South
Africa before Mandela also was involved in destruction of its
neighbours, Mozambique and Namibia, and in many plots elsewhere in
Africa. This superiority complex should be treated by dismantling the
apartheid state. The events of last year proved it beyond reasonable
doubt. Dismantlement by peaceful means of democratisation is the only
viable alternative to Israel's otherwise inevitable ruination. While
bringing the brinkmanship policy to the level of 'calculated madness',
Israeli leaders failed to predict they will bring to life a whole
generation that does not care whether they are dead or alive.

Until recently, fear of Israeli retaliation kept its adversaries at
bay. In 1991, the Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had powerful WMD, but
he did not use it against Israel, for he did not feel desperate. He
believed the threat of Israel to destroy Iraq if he uses WMD. He
thought that he could survive the defeat. He did not understand that
Israeli idea of war is drawn on the Jewish religious tradition that
knows no mercy. If Saddam would know that bodies of his tortured sons
would lie in a Baghdad morgue, that he would be turned into a homeless
refugee, that his country will be ruined by ten years of sanctions and
afterwards become prey to Zionist invader, he might be well tempted to
do the Samson solution, and take the Jewish state with him into nether
regions in 1991.

Saddam Hussein is gone, but by now, every leader in the world knows
what he should expect if Israel asks its American Golem for his head.
Paradoxically, the very cruelty of Israel turned its threat into an
empty sound, for if they will do their worst anyway, it makes no sense
to surrender to their demands.

The Jews of Israel repeated the folly of Napoleon in Jaffa. In 1799,
the young Corsican general crossed the Sinai desert and marched north
into Palestine. Rafah and Ramleh surrendered to his troops, for the
Palestinian soldiers saw no reason to fight the passing European
force. Napoleon proceeded to the port of Jaffa, where six thousand
strong garrison of the city also preferred to surrender. They thought
they will be disarmed and sent home, to their villages, but Napoleon
was reluctant to leave so many enemy soldiers behind his lines and
ordered to kill them all. It took the French three days to kill such
mass of people. They were brought in groups from the Armenian St
Nicolas' Convent to the shore and bayoneted.

After this massacre, all Palestine took to weapons. Napoleon's troops
were ambushed at every orange grove, and when he came to the walls of
Acre, there was no talk of surrender. People understood that it just
makes no sense. They could as well die fighting. After a few months of
fruitless efforts, Napoleon turned back, leaving his wounded soldiers
to be slaughtered by advancing enemy. In the gentrified centre of
Jaffa, there is a squat papier?mache figure of le petit caporal in his
triangular hat reminding the tourists and the locals of backfiring
nature of cruelty, but probably the Israeli leaders did not pay it
sufficient attention when their policies brought the country on the
brink of destruction.

The heavy feeling of looming disaster is one of the unmentioned
reasons behind the 'One State Solution' we proposed and advocated.
True, 'one state' would be good for the Palestinians; it would be good
for Israelis. But a new partition, Two States' solution could also
alleviate the Palestinian suffering, as Prof Neumann and many moderate
peace activists rightly noted. It could be even preferred by the
Israeli and Palestinian elites, though an independent state in the
West Bank and Gaza won't solve the problem of refugees. However, in no
way the partition would alleviate the threat to the world peace poised
by the rogue Jewish state, and it won't prevent the imminent disaster
in the Holy Land.

Even a smaller Jewish state will be the seat of Mossad and its
assassination unit, Kidon. Even a smaller Jewish state will possess
nuclear weapons. Even a smaller Jewish state will be poisoned by its
deeply rooted and extremely xenophobic ideology, and will remain a
source of ideological contamination. Even a smaller Jewish state will
be heavily involved in politics of subversion from Moscow to
Washington, DC. And then, it is just a question of time, when a pushed
too far leader of a state ? be it North Korea, Iran, Egypt, or Russia
- will remember the bodies of Saddam' sons and decide to follow the
path of Baibars and of Mongol sultans who removed the Assassins from
their eagle nests. For without Israel, the US forces would hang around
their bases in Georgia and Texas instead of seeking the Jew-haters in
the five continents. Demise of Israel is inevitable; the only question
whether it will be forcibly removed and the land destroyed, or it will
be peacefully absorbed in the region.

Equality in the Holy Land ? it is not only a moral demand; it is the
only way to save the country of approaching destruction. Not us, not
the do-gooders or peace-lovers, but the inevitable course of events
leads us to the choice: equality or death.

Israeli cruelty, vengefulness and inability to respect others called
hundreds of Palestinians to the horrible martyrdom. If, or rather when
a potential martyr will be equipped with a miniaturised nuclear device
instead of home-made dynamite, the sad story of the Jewish state will
be over.

The Jewish belt of Israel is quite small, and just two well-placed
half-megaton nuclear devices can wipe it off the face of Earth. It is
possible that in its last throes, it will make true its threat
vocalised by Prof van Crefeld of Hebrew University and 'go down by
taking the world along', for Israeli nuclear weapons are trained,
according to van Crefeld, at European capitals, as well as on the
neighbours. But no amount of security measures will be able to stop a
nuclear suicide bomber, and she may disregard the fate of people who
failed to protect her and her family.

And then, some years later, the ruins of Tel Aviv will blend smoothly
with the ruins of Arsur.

(i) www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Palestine&slug=Malaysian%25

See also: Israeli Subs have Nukes Aimed at Iranian Sites
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1169

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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1158

Last updated 19/10/2003

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User: "--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 02 Nov 2003 02:17:43 AM
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,
(Sakic)
wrote:


What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?

You cannot replace one evil with another and improve anything that way.
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User: "Sakic"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 02 Nov 2003 07:58:24 AM
"--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message news:<OBK94272191F80FD0001138@r2-dv8.anarchy.gov>...

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,

(Sakic)
wrote:


What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?


You cannot replace one evil with another and improve anything that way.

And you have shown a reluctance to answer a direct question. It's easy
to say what you don't like. It's much harder to answer a question or
offer a positive suggestion.
.
User: "--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 03 Nov 2003 01:58:37 AM
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,
(Sakic)
wrote:

"--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
news:<OBK94272191F80FD0001138@r2-dv8.anarchy.gov>...

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,

(Sakic)
wrote:


What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?


You cannot replace one evil with another and improve anything that way.


And you have shown a reluctance to answer a direct question. It's easy
to say what you don't like. It's much harder to answer a question or
offer a positive suggestion.


I think what I said does answer the question. Maybe you shouldn't be so rash
and take a moment to consider it.
As for a positive suggestion, I've made it many times:
Renounce your evil religions and stop acting like a bunch of apes.
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User: "Sakic"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 04 Nov 2003 05:14:12 AM
"--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message news:<OBK94281E5AEB8E30001138@r2-dv8.anarchy.gov>...

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,

(Sakic)
wrote:

"--= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =--" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
news:<OBK94272191F80FD0001138@r2-dv8.anarchy.gov>...

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,

(Sakic)
wrote:


What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?


You cannot replace one evil with another and improve anything that way.


And you have shown a reluctance to answer a direct question. It's easy
to say what you don't like. It's much harder to answer a question or
offer a positive suggestion.


I think what I said does answer the question. Maybe you shouldn't be so rash
and take a moment to consider it.

As for a positive suggestion, I've made it many times:

Renounce your evil religions and stop acting like a bunch of apes.

I'll give you another chance:
What is your opinion of the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?
It's a simple question. Try and address it and stay on topic.
Have they all not done far more damage to their own people as well as
the Palestinian people than Israel has?
Another very simple and direct question. Why not answer it?
Is Islam an evil religion?
.





User: "Boondock Saint"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 02:51:25 AM
Zardoz wrote:
<snip>

The Jews were given a good chance to strike root in the land of
Palestine and make peace with the native population. But they blew it.

First of all, some history lessons: Muslims took the land in the first
place from the Persians who had taken it from the Romans who had taken
it from the Jews.
So, we might call the Muslims crusaders as well. Indeed, they, like the
Christians, were motivated for religious reasons.
But, that does not fit in with what your intolerant, lying clerics,
teachers, and media tell you.
.

User: "Tilly"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 30 Oct 2003 10:33:03 PM
Zardoz wrote:

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir

I suggest you find out about Israel Shamir who is not what he seems.
http://nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/
Tilly
Bright1@hotmail.com
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User: "Zakalwe"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 12:29:04 AM
"Tilly" <Bright1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sClob.3308$Mn.128029@news.xtra.co.nz...

Zardoz wrote:

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


I suggest you find out about Israel Shamir who is not what he seems.

http://nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/


Tilly

Bright1@hotmail.com

Well, I just read the first part of "Serious Concerns About Israel Shamir" &
it has too much weaselese, like:
"Shamir recently gave a speech at Tufts University. He is quoted as saying
at that speech: "Palestinians are perfect mammals; their life is deeply
rooted in the ground...Israeli people represent a virus form of a human
being because they can live anywhere." ("Israel at fault for Middle East
violence, Jewish journalist says," The Tufts Daily, April 10, 2001) The
quote appears to be verified and accurate."
I'm sorry, appears to be verified = unverified.
To me Shami's statement reads like an unsympathetic translation, or the
excited mis-speakings of a non-native english speaker. It does, however,
specifically refer to "Israeli people", not "Jews".
There are other examples.
This one may seem a hair-splitter but in the context of the above article
it's a sturdy point!
Shamir does seem capable of saying some damn foolish things, using forms of
words that are very politically incorrect, and yes, very offensive to people
with a better sense of history. But I would call it foolishness rather than
anti-semitism.
Z
.

User: "paredon"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 30 Oct 2003 10:47:39 PM
"Tilly" <Bright1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sClob.3308$Mn.128029@news.xtra.co.nz...

Zardoz wrote:

Five to Midnight

By Israel Shamir


I suggest you find out about Israel Shamir who is not what he seems.

What amazes me how anxious Zionist Jews are to discredit one of their own,
when it comes to exposure of their own disentitlement to the land of
Palestine.
Israel Shahak, was a real survivor of the Warsaw ghetto, where he was
mistreated not by Nazis but by his own fellow jews, and he is not afraid to
tell his own story, that is all! Maybe that is why they hate him!
.
User: "Tilly"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 30 Oct 2003 10:50:12 PM
paredon wrote:

Israel Shahak, was a real survivor of the Warsaw ghetto, where he was
mistreated not by Nazis but by his own fellow jews, and he is not
afraid to tell his own story, that is all! Maybe that is why they
hate him!

IDIOT!!!!!!!!
Read before you open your mouth.
The author is ISRAEL SHAMIR not Shahak.
Tilly
--
Bright1@hotmail.com
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User: "paredon"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 06:15:57 PM
Shamir and Shahak are different only in their ages and birthplaces
otherwise their ideologies are the same "One vote, one state"!
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
A Jewish folk tale relates the story of a mute child who had never said a
word despite all the efforts of the doctors. Then one day, at the ripe age
of ten, he dropped his spoon and cried out, "The soup is too salty!" His
parents asked him in amazement why he had kept silent for years, and the
child replied, "Until now, everything was all right".
That is the story of Israel Shamir's sudden appearance in the
English-language media. This leading Russian-Israeli intellectual, writer,
translator and journalist was well known to his Russian readers, thanks to
his books The Pine and the Olive and Travels in Japan, and to his
translations of Joyce, Homer and Agnon into his native Russian. He did not
write in English until January 2001, when Israeli attacks on Palestinians
forced him to give up literature and turn to politics. His articles appeared
on the Internet, were placed on many sites and were reprinted by numerous
newspapers and magazines, and translated into many languages. By using the
Internet, Shamir proved that a word of freedom can overcome any censorship.
A native of Novosibirsk, Siberia, a grandson of a professor of mathematics
and a descendant of a Rabbi from Tiberias, Palestine, he studied at the
prestigious School of the Academy of Sciences, and read Math and Law at
Novosibirsk University. In 1969, he moved to Israel, served as paratrooper
in the army and fought in the 1973 war. After his military service he
resumed his study of Law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, but
abandoned the legal profession in pursuit of a career as a journalist and
writer. He got his first taste of journalism with Israel Radio, and later
went freelance. His varied assignments included covering Vietnam, Laos and
Cambodia in the last stages of the war in South East Asia. In 1975, Shamir
joined the BBC and moved to London. In 1977-79 he wrote for the Israeli
daily Maariv and other papers from Japan. While in Tokyo, he wrote Travels
with My Son, his first book, and translated a number of Japanese classics.
After returning to Israel in 1980, Shamir wrote for the Israeli daily
newspaper Haaretz and the newspaper Al Hamishmar, and worked in the Knesset
as the spokesman for the Israel Socialist Party (Mapam). He translated the
works of S.Y. Agnon, the only Hebrew Nobel Prize winning writer, from the
original Hebrew to Russian. His work was published and reprinted many times
in both Israel and in Russia. He also translated selected chapters of
Joyce's Ulysses, which were well received by publishers in Moscow, Tel Aviv,
New York and Austin, Texas. Another of his translations, the Israeli-Arab
Wars by President Herzog, was published in London. His most popular work,
The Pine and the Olive, the story of Palestine/Israel, was published in
1988. Its cover carried a painting by the Ramallah painter, Nabil Anani.
As the first Palestinian Intifada began, Shamir had left Israel for Russia,
where he covered the eventful years 1989-1993. While in Moscow, he reported
for Haaretz, but was sacked for publishing an article calling to the return
the Palestinian refugees and the rebuilding of their ruined villages. He
wrote for various Russian newspapers and magazines, including the daily
Pravda and the weekly Zavtra. In 1993, he returned to Israel and settled in
Jaffa. He wrote for Russian newspapers both in Israel and Russia and
contributed to various literary magazines. During this period, he also
worked on a new translation of the Odyssey, which was published in 2000 in
St. Petersburg, Russia. His next big project was translating a Hebrew
medieval Talmudic manuscript into Russian.
In response to the second Palestinian Intifada, Shamir has abandoned his
literary occupation and resumed his work as a journalist. In the midst of
the endless talk of a "Two State solution", Shamir, along with Edward Said,
has become a leading champion of the "One Man, One Vote, One State" solution
in all of Palestine/Israel. His most recent essays have been circulating
widely on the Internet and are now posted on many prominent media sites.
With every new article, Shamir is establishing himself as a journalist whose
work speaks to the aspirations of both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Shamir (50) lives in Jaffa, he is father of two sons.
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User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Like the Crusaders, Israel has no future 31 Oct 2003 09:08:16 PM
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:15:57 GMT, "paredon"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.net> wrote:

A Jewish folk tale relates the story of a mute child who had never said a
word despite all the efforts of the doctors. Then one day, at the ripe age
of ten, he dropped his spoon and cried out, "The soup is too salty!" His
parents asked him in amazement why he had kept silent for years, and the
child replied, "Until now, everything was all right".

So a Hindu walks into a Pizzeria and says "make me one with
everything".
I'll be here all week, folks, try the veal.
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