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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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14 May 2005 10:04:46 AM |
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Limbaugh gets his racist yap shut for him |
Teens seek debate vs. Limbaugh
BY KATE N. GROSSMAN
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-limbaugh13.html
Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that
Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World
War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler"
because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum.
Some Evanston kids want to show Limbaugh what they know. They want to
debate him on American history.
"I think [a debate] would be great because then we'd prove him wrong
and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore,
said Thursday.
'Balkanizing this country'
Limbaugh's comments came after he read a Christian Science Monitor
article Tuesday that profiled global studies courses required at ETHS.
Limbaugh railed against multicultural education generally and singled
out the North Shore school.
"What multiculturalists is, is balkanizing this country," Limbaugh said
Tuesday. "People are coming here from various parts of the world and
they're bringing their cultures with them and the multiculturalists are
saying 'your culture is better than the American culture. The American
culture is discriminatory, it's racist, sexist, bigot, homophobic.' "
Limbaugh's producer did not return a call on whether Limbaugh would
agree to a debate.
"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis
for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might
be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his
ideas so he doesn't look stupid."
All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses
covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In
the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for
the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try
to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective.
In 2003, ETHS won an excellence in international education award from
the Asia Society and the Goldman Sachs Foundation. ETHS offers seven
languages, including Japanese and Hebrew, and has several clubs with an
international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty
International. Students and staff also point out that the school
requires yearlong courses in U.S. history and Western civilization.
"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War
II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a
senior. Each year, the school hosts activities for Holocaust
Remembrance Week. "Until 10th grade, all we did was U.S. and European
history. It's just so false that what he says is funny."
School officials haven't decided how -- or if -- they intend to respond
to Limbaugh.
Tests show he's wrong
"It struck me as incomprehensible that somebody would think
multiculturalism antithetical to American values," Supt. Allan Alson
said. "I was stunned that he had such certainty that our kids were not
knowledgeable about basic American history when in fact our student do
extremely well" on standardized tests in that area. "It's a shame he
lets his conclusions determine his evidence."
Aaron Becker, who teaches the Middle East class, said his students also
are considering sending Limbaugh essays they've written on American
history.
"This is a perfect teachable moment," Becker said. "Kids are angry and
want to respond by showing they know a lot, that it's not a zero-sum
game, that you can learn about more than one history."
Becker said the kids will decide how best to respond.
"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior. "He
has nothing to say about my education and my future. He's just a guy
talking on the radio."
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Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh gets his racist yap shut for him |
14 May 2005 11:56:13 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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"People are coming here from various parts of the world and
they're bringing their cultures with them
True.
and the multiculturalists are
saying 'your culture is better than the American culture.
Lie.
The American
culture is discriminatory, it's racist, sexist, bigot, homophobic.' "
No. We're not saying that. However, what IS true is that there IS racism,
sexism, bigotry and homophobia in the US (and Rush is one of their
proponents), as well as in other cultures. These are evils that must be
eliminated.
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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14 May 2005 03:45:51 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:118c5j8iaok3cdf@corp.supernews.com...
Teens seek debate vs. Limbaugh
BY KATE N. GROSSMAN
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-limbaugh13.html
Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that
Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World
War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler"
because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum.
Some Evanston kids want to show Limbaugh what they know. They want to
debate him on American history.
"I think [a debate] would be great because then we'd prove him wrong
and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore,
said Thursday.
"Open his opinion"?
The only thing EVER open, with Rash, is his ignorant mouth!
'Balkanizing this country'
Limbaugh's comments came after he read a Christian Science Monitor
article Tuesday that profiled global studies courses required at ETHS.
Limbaugh railed against multicultural education generally and singled
out the North Shore school.
"What multiculturalists is, is balkanizing this country," Limbaugh said
Tuesday. "People are coming here from various parts of the world and
they're bringing their cultures with them and the multiculturalists are
saying 'your culture is better than the American culture. The American
culture is discriminatory, it's racist, sexist, bigot, homophobic.' "
Limbaugh's producer did not return a call on whether Limbaugh would
agree to a debate.
Of courtse not!
He quit doing questions from the audience because they show him for an
uneducated buffon, and (s far as I know) has NEVER had guests on .... at
least not anyone who could expose his blatant ignorance.
"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis
for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might
be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his
ideas so he doesn't look stupid."
All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses
covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In
the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for
the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try
to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective.
In 2003, ETHS won an excellence in international education award from
the Asia Society and the Goldman Sachs Foundation. ETHS offers seven
languages, including Japanese and Hebrew, and has several clubs with an
international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty
International. Students and staff also point out that the school
requires yearlong courses in U.S. history and Western civilization.
"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War
II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a
senior. Each year, the school hosts activities for Holocaust
Remembrance Week. "Until 10th grade, all we did was U.S. and European
history. It's just so false that what he says is funny."
School officials haven't decided how -- or if -- they intend to respond
to Limbaugh.
Tests show he's wrong
"It struck me as incomprehensible that somebody would think
multiculturalism antithetical to American values," Supt. Allan Alson
said. "I was stunned that he had such certainty that our kids were not
knowledgeable about basic American history when in fact our student do
extremely well" on standardized tests in that area. "It's a shame he
lets his conclusions determine his evidence."
Aaron Becker, who teaches the Middle East class, said his students also
are considering sending Limbaugh essays they've written on American
history.
"This is a perfect teachable moment," Becker said. "Kids are angry and
want to respond by showing they know a lot, that it's not a zero-sum
game, that you can learn about more than one history."
Becker said the kids will decide how best to respond.
"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior. "He
has nothing to say about my education and my future. He's just a guy
talking on the radio."
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://www.rightard.org/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7287564?pageid=rs.Home&pager
egion=single7&rnd=1115325831843&has-player=unknown
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| User: "norman" |
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14 May 2005 04:46:29 PM |
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the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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14 May 2005 05:12:57 PM |
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norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 May 2005 06:57:30 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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15 May 2005 12:12:25 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s (and I
don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate propaganda" coming from
these people. They are honest and truthful.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make people HATE.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 May 2005 09:16:08 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s (and
I don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate propaganda"
coming from these people. They are honest and truthful.
At least you have seen the truth about Sharpton, though why you don't
take him seriously is beyond me. The rest are all hatemongers, every one
of them. They lie by reflex, as if admitting the truth would make their
teeth fall out.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make people
HATE.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 May 2005 12:23:51 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:d66lnl$5vc$1@news.seed.net.tw:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s (and
I don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate propaganda"
coming from these people. They are honest and truthful.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make people
HATE.
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for."
Nope, no hate speech there.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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15 May 2005 02:51:50 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:23:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
thought hard and wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s (and
I don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate propaganda"
coming from these people. They are honest and truthful.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make people
HATE.
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for."
Nope, no hate speech there.
But he is telling the truth there. You fucking conservative scum know
nothing. And do not try to speak to me anymore; I have a yoga class to
attend.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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15 May 2005 05:32:16 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for."
"I"
Nope, no hate speech there.
But he is telling the truth there.
There's a difference between "I hate" and "Catholics are..." or
"Black people are..." or "Gay people are" or "Atheists are..."
One is the truth and the other is propaganda, almost always
"supported" by lies.
Some day you might be allowed to grow up and learn the
difference.
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 May 2005 07:10:05 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:23:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:d66lnl$5vc$1@news.seed.net.tw:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s (and
I don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate propaganda"
coming from these people. They are honest and truthful.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make people
HATE.
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for."
Nope, no hate speech there.
The entire line was "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand
for, but I admire their discipline and their organization"
Nope, no hate propaganda there, and as usual you clipped the quote to
propagandize or as propaganda is better known as - lie about what the
point was.
You need the lies - told to make people hate others not for what they
are really doing but for false reasons - that's hate propaganda and
that's what all the current crop of neo-conservative media talking
heads are all about. Some of them are very forth right - such as
Hannity - he doesn't do it because he believes any of it. He's just
doing it for the money.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 May 2005 10:22:03 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:23:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:d66lnl$5vc$1@news.seed.net.tw:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a
debate about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb
they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at
him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Hate propaganda? Well, with the exception of Sharpton in the 80s
(and I don't take him seriously), I am unaware of any "hate
propaganda" coming from these people. They are honest and truthful.
Yet Limbaugh, Coulter and the others are spreading LIES to make
people HATE.
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for."
Nope, no hate speech there.
The entire line was "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand
for, but I admire their discipline and their organization"
Yeah, he *wishes* the Democrats had the same sort of discipline.
Nope, no hate propaganda there, and as usual you clipped the quote to
propagandize or as propaganda is better known as - lie about what the
point was.
No lie, the hate still comes through loud and clear, except to deluded
moonbats like you.
You need the lies - told to make people hate others not for what they
are really doing but for false reasons - that's hate propaganda and
that's what all the current crop of neo-conservative media talking
heads are all about. Some of them are very forth right - such as
Hannity - he doesn't do it because he believes any of it. He's just
doing it for the money.
I don't think I've ever seen or heard Hannity's show. But if he warms
your heart, you can have him.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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14 May 2005 07:04:27 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Except that those listed above speech the truth. And I've not heard any
of those profess hate speech. In fact, on several ocassions, I've heard
the fellas listed above laud the Bush Administration for what he's done.
Has Ann Coulter, Michael Medved, Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh EVER
laud the Clinton Administration? Even once?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 May 2005 08:55:54 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:fmwhe.2384$5b1.226@trnddc07:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
Except that those listed above speech the truth.
Not when they're talking about the administration or Republicans in
general.
And I've not heard
any of those profess hate speech.
Oh, that's right, I forgot, calling Condi Rice an Aunt Jemima isn't
really hate speech because she's a Republican.
Reid just got his ***** kicked *again* for blurting out insults on the
Senate floor. I understand that an ethics charge has been filed against
him for his comments about Saaz' FBI file.
In fact, on several ocassions, I've
heard the fellas listed above laud the Bush Administration for what
he's done.
Probably some backhanded compliment.
Has Ann Coulter, Michael Medved, Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh EVER
laud the Clinton Administration? Even once?
I don't know, I don't listen to any of them that regularly and I sure
don't feel like wading through their stuff on the Internet to find out.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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14 May 2005 09:00:01 PM |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. Fred hates those people. tsk tsk....
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15 May 2005 09:16:02 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:42a0ac88.300927515@news-west.newscene.com:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. Fred hates those people. tsk tsk....
Kate hates the truth so much that she glorifies the liars that encourage
her delusions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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14 May 2005 10:58:43 PM |
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On 14 May 2005 21:00:01 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. <snip>
Wow. What a surpise.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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15 May 2005 09:16:06 AM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:n6id81te21ptovdfqhp5dlcvm68198fr3o@4ax.com:
On 14 May 2005 21:00:01 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. <snip>
Wow. What a surpise.
When Republicans point out the truth about Democrats, it's "hate
speech". When Democrats lie about Republicans, it's "speaking truth to
power".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 May 2005 12:53:02 AM |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:58:43 -0500, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 May 2005 21:00:01 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. <snip>
Wow. What a surpise.
Have you ever listened to them? They correct themselves when someone
points out an error. They don't cut people off on the air. They act
like mature adults.
If you can't see the difference between the liberal list and the hate
crowd, you aren't really grown up yet, no matter how old you are.
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15 May 2005 09:16:11 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:42a2e30e.314885406@news-west.newscene.com:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:58:43 -0500, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 May 2005 21:00:01 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880 @trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a
debate about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they
are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate
propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael
Medved, and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean,
Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George
Soros, Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. <snip>
Wow. What a surpise.
Have you ever listened to them? They correct themselves when someone
points out an error. They don't cut people off on the air. They act
like mature adults.
Oh, *****! What a pack of lies! They shout people down when they
disagree, and just *try* to ask a serious question that would force them
to admit an error and you'll be cut off before the first syllable his
the airwaves.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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15 May 2005 02:48:28 PM |
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On 15 May 2005 00:53:02 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:58:43 -0500, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 May 2005 21:00:01 -0500, (Kate ) thought
hard and wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:57:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:JJuhe.2277$5b1.1880
@trnddc07:
norman wrote:
the fact that those high school kids think they would win a debate
about world history with Rush Limbaugh shows how dumb they are.
Limbaugh is a shill, but a highly intelligent shill for the
republicans, and would out-debate them.
But then you can always just laugh and make funny faces at him.
We do, but Limbaugh is one of the primary sources of hate propoganda
in
this country. Other such individuals are Ann Coulter, Michael Medved,
and Michael Savage.
Don't forget Maureen Dowd, Al Franken, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Michael
Moore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Markos Moulitsas, George Soros, Noam
Chomsky, George Monbiot...
No, let's not forget the other people who make such a sincere effort
to speak the truth. <snip>
Wow. What a surpise.
Have you ever listened to them? They correct themselves when someone
points out an error. They don't cut people off on the air. They act
like mature adults.
If you can't see the difference between the liberal list
Leftist list, Kate.
and the hate
crowd, you aren't really grown up yet, no matter how old you are.
I am defending neither Fred or you, Kate. The only political pundits I
listen to are my libertarian brethren, who are able to point out that
both sides are wrong on nearly everything, often doing so in a far
nicer way than the leftists and the conservatives call each other out
on.
Being neutral in this discussion is nice. There are always
hate crowds on both sides, Kate, and do not deny it.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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15 May 2005 05:30:00 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
I am defending neither Fred or you, Kate. The only
political pundits I listen to are my libertarian
brethren, who are able to point out that both sides
are wrong on nearly everything,
The blind speaking to the deaf...
often doing so in a far nicer way than the leftists
and the conservatives call each other out on.
There it is again. This fantasy that because the Republicans
have been taken over by right-wing extremists, the same
must somehow be true for the Democrats.
The not-so-slight of hand here is in pointing to the
extremism of one side and pretending that it represents
both sides.
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 May 2005 06:03:07 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:30:00 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
That's very subjective.
I am defending neither Fred or you, Kate. The only
political pundits I listen to are my libertarian
brethren, who are able to point out that both sides
are wrong on nearly everything,
The blind speaking to the deaf...
often doing so in a far nicer way than the leftists
and the conservatives call each other out on.
There it is again. This fantasy that because the Republicans
have been taken over by right-wing extremists, the same
must somehow be true for the Democrats.
Yeah, that's about it.
The not-so-slight of hand here is in pointing to the
extremism of one side and pretending that it represents
both sides.
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15 May 2005 06:29:49 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
That's very subjective.
No more or less so than the "leftist" label.
Is Michael Moore pretty far to the left? Yes. Definitely.
No question. But he's also not a Democrat.
So another not-so-slight of hand is in the fantasy that
everybody against the Republicans are Democrats,
and it's perfectly reasonable to attribute the exact same
positions/views on all opposition.
Sure, you can argue that the Democrats did the same
to Republicans with David Duke.... ignoring the
blaringly obvious fact that David Duke not only ran
for office (and served) as a Republican, but Republicans
purchased his mailing list.
Compare this to Michael Moore, who never missed
an opportunity to bash Bill Clinton, or even Al Gore.
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15 May 2005 09:21:24 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:29:49 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
thought hard and wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
That's very subjective.
No more or less so than the "leftist" label.
Is Michael Moore pretty far to the left? Yes. Definitely.
No question. But he's also not a Democrat.
So another not-so-slight of hand is in the fantasy that
everybody against the Republicans are Democrats,
Many libertarians disagree with the Republicans right now, and there
is a small but sizable minority within the Republican party getting
rather pissed at G.W. right now.
and it's perfectly reasonable to attribute the exact same
positions/views on all opposition.
Sure, you can argue that the Democrats did the same
to Republicans with David Duke.... ignoring the
blaringly obvious fact that David Duke not only ran
for office (and served) as a Republican, but Republicans
purchased his mailing list.
Compare this to Michael Moore, who never missed
an opportunity to bash Bill Clinton, or even Al Gore.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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15 May 2005 11:19:54 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Many libertarians disagree with the Republicans right
now, and there is a small but sizable minority within
the Republican party getting rather pissed at G.W. right
now.
Agreed, but exceptions prove the rule, and not the other
way around. The present rule is that the lunatic right-wing
is in full control of the Republican party.
And, oh, they are ANYTHING but "conservative." In fact,
they are the biggest spenders in the history of the planet
Earth. The have expanded government, both in terms of
physical size (number of hacks) as well as power.
When Ronald Reagan first took office it was illegal for
the CIA to perform operation within the United States.
Today, not only are they free to perform operations, but
they can now assassinate American citizens, even inside
the United States!
Thanks you, "Patriot Act," and thank you back-stabbing
"Conservatives" who thought Universal Healthcare was
something to worry about.... SHEESH!
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15 May 2005 07:42:05 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:29:49 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
That's very subjective.
No more or less so than the "leftist" label.
agreed, but I don't consider the two labels to have much divergence.
Is Michael Moore pretty far to the left? Yes. Definitely.
No question. But he's also not a Democrat.
OK, so?
So another not-so-slight of hand is in the fantasy that
everybody against the Republicans are Democrats,
and it's perfectly reasonable to attribute the exact same
positions/views on all opposition.
And you are acusing who of doing this?
Sure, you can argue that the Democrats did the same
to Republicans with David Duke.... ignoring the
blaringly obvious fact that David Duke not only ran
for office (and served) as a Republican, but Republicans
purchased his mailing list.
Compare this to Michael Moore, who never missed
an opportunity to bash Bill Clinton, or even Al Gore.
Which begs your prior point that what's running the republican party
now, is not conservative. I don't see it as extremism either - but
simple fascism which is all about corruption and the enabling of the
abuse of the people for the benefit of the few. If you keep saying -
OK both sides did something, you allow the corrupt in as pretence they
are just a different but legitamate argument.
The anger of the left, or liberal or whatever Daniel wants to pretend
they are, is about abuse, lies, and corruption. The hate of the
right, neo-conservativism is about control, bigotry and feelings of
inadequecy.
Right now Kansas is trying to redefine science so creationism has an
equal chance to rest on the laurels of science. Right now
neo-conservatism uses propaganda and idiots like Fred and Daniel to
pretend that corruption and lies has an equal chance to rest on the
laurels of debate and political discussion. Only fools stand by and
allow this to happen.
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15 May 2005 11:08:50 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
If you keep saying - OK both sides did something, you
allow the corrupt in as pretence they are just a different
but legitamate argument.
Exactly. And that's what "Daniel" was doing.... despite the
total lack of accuracy.
The anger of the left, or liberal or whatever Daniel wants
to pretend they are, is about abuse, lies, and corruption.
Yes. And one of the ways they use to protect this corruption is
by pretending a diverse group of non-like individuals somehow
represents a partisan camp.
The hate of the right, neo-conservativism is about control,
bigotry and feelings of inadequecy.
Us verses THEM.
Right now neo-conservatism uses propaganda and idiots
like Fred and Daniel to pretend that corruption and lies
has an equal chance to rest on the laurels of debate and
political discussion. Only fools stand by and allow this
to happen.
Exactly. And I was pointing out some of the ways people
like "Fred" and "Daniel" do it themselves, even as they
proclaim innocence and accuse others.
Michael Moore? Noam Chomsky? A person would have to
be devoid of ethics -- or a clue -- in order to claim that
they have any place in a conversation on partisan politics.
There's simply no comparison. It's apples & oranges. If
you have to group NON-partisans in with partisan
Democrats just to be able to "make a point" about the
Democrats, YOU HAVE NO POINT!
What's more, you know you have no point.
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15 May 2005 10:36:29 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:42ace9c4.382139078@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:29:49 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Kate " < > wrote
"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote
Leftist list, Kate.
Moderate list.
That's very subjective.
No more or less so than the "leftist" label.
agreed, but I don't consider the two labels to have much divergence.
Is Michael Moore pretty far to the left? Yes. Definitely.
No question. But he's also not a Democrat.
OK, so?
He was a special guest at the Democratic convention. MoveOn.org fawned
all over him, as did all you libruls.
So another not-so-slight of hand is in the fantasy that
everybody against the Republicans are Democrats,
and it's perfectly reasonable to attribute the exact same
positions/views on all opposition.
And you are acusing who of doing this?
Sure, you can argue that the Democrats did the same
to Republicans with David Duke.... ignoring the
blaringly obvious fact that David Duke not only ran
for office (and served) as a Republican, but Republicans
purchased his mailing list.
Compare this to Michael Moore, who never missed
an opportunity to bash Bill Clinton, or even Al Gore.
Not that Clinton or Gore didn't *deserve* it.
Which begs your prior point that what's running the republican party
now, is not conservative. I don't see it as extremism either - but
simple fascism which is all about corruption and the enabling of the
abuse of the people for the benefit of the few. If you keep saying -
OK both sides did something, you allow the corrupt in as pretence they
are just a different but legitamate argument.
The anger of the left, or liberal or whatever Daniel wants to pretend
they are, is about abuse, lies, and corruption. The hate of the
right, neo-conservativism is about control, bigotry and feelings of
inadequecy.
Oh, how you project, Kate. You want abuse, lies and corruption, look to
your own party before you start casting around for Republicans to
attack. Hillary's got her own problems with campaign finances. And
Pelosi has a few ethics questions to answer.
You notice how the Democrats have backed off of Tom DeLay, just like I
predicted?
Not to mention Harry Reid with his McCarthyite attack on Judge Saad.
Right now Kansas is trying to redefine science so creationism has an
equal chance to rest on the laurels of science.
Lots of conservatives are put off by that too.
Right now
neo-conservatism uses propaganda and idiots like Fred and Daniel to
pretend that corruption and lies has an equal chance to rest on the
laurels of debate and political discussion. Only fools stand by and
allow this to happen.
You just hate the idea that Democrats are *at least* as corrupt as the
Republicans.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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15 May 2005 11:14:41 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
He was a special guest at the Democratic convention.
Michael Moore? You do know he attended the Republican
convention, right?
Compare this to Michael Moore, who never missed
an opportunity to bash Bill Clinton, or even Al Gore.
Not that Clinton or Gore didn't *deserve* it.
So you're simply going to ignore the fact that you were pretending
that Michael Moore was somehow a Democrat?
Oh well, like we aren't already used to your kind ignoring
any inconvenient facts...
Hillary's got her own problems with campaign finances.
So didn't her husband. Funny, when you knee biters go your
wish & there was an investigation into the financing of the
1996 Presidential election, no crimes were found BUT both
the Democrats & Republicans had to return some questionable
money... The Republicans a full TWICE AS MUCH as the
Democrats.
Turning back the clock to 1996, which said was crying over
questionable compaign contributions?
Hint: It wasn't the Democrats.
Bigger hint: It was the fucking hypocrites at it again.
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