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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "MarkA"
Date: 28 Jan 2007 10:06:01 PM
Object: Linux and atheism
Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.
In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.
Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's
what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason
to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs,
they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.
It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.
I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
.

User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 28 Jan 2007 10:19:30 PM
In article <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>,
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's
what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason
to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs,
they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

I am an atheist using Mac OS X.
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 08:00:25 AM
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:19:30 -0700, Virgil wrote:

In article <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>,
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up
to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and
become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and
look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still
cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The computers
they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they just accept using
it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much about their
religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's what they
were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason to stop.
If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs, they
would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change
are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


I am an atheist using Mac OS X.

Hippie! Get a job!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.

User: "Martin Willett"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 11:37:36 AM
Virgil wrote:

In article <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>,
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's
what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason
to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs,
they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


I am an atheist using Mac OS X.

Are you also homosexual?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.

User: "Martin Willett"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 12:41:37 PM
Virgil wrote:

In article <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>,
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's
what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason
to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs,
they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


I am an atheist using Mac OS X.

Are you also homosexual?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.
User: "Michael Rippie"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 05:49:41 PM
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:41:37 +0000, Martin Willett
<mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Virgil wrote:

In article <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>,
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.


You don't know enough about yourself to comment of this subject.
..
.



User: "Lars Eighner"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 28 Jan 2007 10:58:02 PM
In our last episode, <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>, the
lovely and talented MarkA broadcast on alt.atheism:

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

Because I'm using FreeBSD.
Really, I tried linux several times but had a number of problems. The last
time it was that I could not get PPP dial-up on demand to work with
command-line clients. And keyboard mapping was a horror of the first order.
All the dvelopment effort seemed to be going into making the default GUI
more and more like you-know-what. What I need is a text-based (i.e command
line) word processor that would work with a USB printer --- or in other
words, WordPerfect 6.0 for DOS on steroids. I've given up on that and am
writing a perl filter to convert plain text documents to faux abiword,
so I can print them from abiword. I wish I had my typewriter back.
Face it. Every operating system on earth is trying to be just like
you-know-what or that GUI for artistic types. There is really no
alternative to point-and-click GUIs, so whatever you use is going to be only
marginally better than you-know-what. Sure, everything else is a hell of a
lot more secure than you-know-what --- so you can choose a more secure desk
brick or a less secure desk brick. But you still have unreadable fonts,
little pictures which all look the same, and that damned mouse thing. No
one seems willing to break away from the mind-prison of a GUI. I wish I had
my typewriter back.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 722 days to go.
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 07:57:42 AM
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:58:02 +0000, Lars Eighner wrote:

In our last episode, <pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com>, the
lovely and talented MarkA broadcast on alt.atheism:

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


Because I'm using FreeBSD.

Really, I tried linux several times but had a number of problems. The
last time it was that I could not get PPP dial-up on demand to work with
command-line clients. And keyboard mapping was a horror of the first
order. All the dvelopment effort seemed to be going into making the
default GUI more and more like you-know-what. What I need is a text-based
(i.e command line) word processor that would work with a USB printer ---
or in other words, WordPerfect 6.0 for DOS on steroids. I've given up on
that and am writing a perl filter to convert plain text documents to faux
abiword, so I can print them from abiword. I wish I had my typewriter
back.

Face it. Every operating system on earth is trying to be just like
you-know-what or that GUI for artistic types. There is really no
alternative to point-and-click GUIs, so whatever you use is going to be
only marginally better than you-know-what. Sure, everything else is a
hell of a lot more secure than you-know-what --- so you can choose a more
secure desk brick or a less secure desk brick. But you still have
unreadable fonts, little pictures which all look the same, and that damned
mouse thing. No one seems willing to break away from the mind-prison of a
GUI. I wish I had my typewriter back.

My office runs an IBM AS/400, using software that has no GUI. It requires
a little practice to learn, but once learned, it is much faster than GUI
based systems. Every time someone shows me a GUI system, I watch them use
the mouse to pick a field, do some typing, do some mousing, do some typing,....
they don't seem to realize how much time they are wasting going back and
forth. Many programs can be run without the mouse, but few people ever
bother to learn how.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.


User: "Michel Catudal"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 30 Jan 2007 10:37:56 PM
Le Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:06:01 -0500, MarkA a écrit :

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up to
scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and become
atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and look with
some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still cling to
theism.

How true. I grew up in a theocracy in rural Québec. 200 years ago the
brits made a deal with the clergy. In return for keeping the French
population in line they would give them complete control over their lives.
Without the church it is likely that the French population would have
joined the union. For years the church ran the lives of the whole
population. If you wanted to survive you had to obey the church. I
remember having the priest doing his yearly visit. What happened is that
the local priest would go from home to home for his annual visit. My mom
was always worried of what he would say when she wasn't pregnant or didn't
have a child that year because she would be told how bad she had been and
risked the fire of hell.
One of my great uncles was excommunicated because he was a famous
violonist. He even made violins. The bishop called him in his office and
warned him that unless he would stop his satanist music (classical violin)
he would be excommunicated. After my uncle told the bishop to ***** he
was excommunicated. In those days when you were excommunicated you could
not get work anywhere and people would stay away from you.
In the early sixties there was what was called a quiet revolution, this is
when we kicked the church out of our lives forever. Church attendance went
from almost 100% when I grew up to about 2%. Now there is more attendance
but it is mostly immigrants who attend the churches.
I can see something like that happening one of these days here in the USA
in the fundy infested areas. There is always a thrist for freedom in
everybody and when fundy kids feel that the preachers have taken over
their freedom they will revolt much like we did in Québec.
The reason religion still exists in the USA is because of the separation
of church and state. The day that the fundies will win their theocracy
will mark the beginning of the end of the power of their church over their
flock.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.

Not necessarily harder, it is just for newbies. Something new always
appear more complicated. My wife has never used windows, only linux, she
would be completely lost in a windows environment.


I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

Even atheist aren't always interested in learning new things. Vista may
push some there, we shall see.
--
John Edwards for President
http://johnedwards.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal
We are the Cybernetic Entomology Experts
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 31 Jan 2007 12:29:29 PM
Michel Catudal wrote:

Le Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:06:01 -0500, MarkA a écrit :

<snip>


Not necessarily harder, it is just for newbies. Something new always
appear more complicated. My wife has never used windows, only linux,
she would be completely lost in a windows environment.

That would be a bit hard to believe. Few people had any problems adopting to
a GUI environment when it became available.
Moving between CP/M, DOS, Unix, Pick, TRSDOS, NEWDOS, or any commandline OS
in any direction always seemed far more problimatical to me.
Pick is the easist because if you don't like the name of a command you can
make up another name for it.
If AT&T had owned Pick, Unix would have stayed where it belongs, on
switches.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 31 Jan 2007 01:22:54 PM
On Feb 1, 7:29 am, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Michel Catudal wrote:

Le Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:06:01 -0500, MarkA a =E9crit :

<snip>

Not necessarily harder, it is just for newbies. Something new always
appear more complicated. My wife has never used windows, only linux,
she would be completely lost in a windows environment.


That would be a bit hard to believe. Few people had any problems adopting=

to

a GUI environment when it became available.
Moving between CP/M, DOS, Unix, Pick, TRSDOS, NEWDOS, or any commandline=

OS

in any direction always seemed far more problimatical to me.
Pick is the easist because if you don't like the name of a command you can
make up another name for it.
If AT&T had owned Pick, Unix would have stayed where it belongs, on
switches.

TRSDos, NEWDOS80, DOSPLUS.
WE have a trash80 club going here :-)
.



User: "jimmy B."

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 31 Jan 2007 05:37:18 PM
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in
common with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most
atheists are former theists who took the time and effort to examine
the assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't
stand up to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon
theism, and become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat
enlightened, and look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on
those who still cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they
just want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because
that's what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never
saw a reason to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of
their beliefs, they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but
continue being theistic, anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to
change are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you
using Linux?

Funny you should mention that because I'm looking into switching to
Linux.
Any words of wisdom for a newbe?
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 31 Jan 2007 10:15:08 PM
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:37:18 +0000, jimmy B. wrote:

MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up
to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and
become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and
look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still
cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The computers
they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they just accept using
it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much about their
religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's what they
were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason to stop.
If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs, they
would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to
change are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

Funny you should mention that because I'm looking into switching to Linux.

Any words of wisdom for a newbe?

It's like taking the red pill. Once you get used to using Linux, you
realize what a crappy OS Windows is.
Nowadays, the easiest way to get started with Linux would be to download
and burn a 'Live CD' of Ubuntu. You can boot from the CD, and run Ubuntu,
without changing anything on your hard disk. If you want something more
permanent, there are open source tools for shrinking your existing Windows
partition, allowing a permanent Linux installation, so you can chose at
system start-up whether to boot into Windows or Linux.
Enjoy.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 03 Feb 2007 01:18:53 PM
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:15:08 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Nowadays, the easiest way to get started with Linux would be to download
and burn a 'Live CD' of Ubuntu. You can boot from the CD, and run Ubuntu,
without changing anything on your hard disk. If you want something more
permanent, there are open source tools for shrinking your existing Windows
partition, allowing a permanent Linux installation, so you can chose at
system start-up whether to boot into Windows or Linux.

I do the same thing with Puppy, booting from a thumb drive. Since I
develop on Windows I don't use Linux much, but it's there to boot if I
need it.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 09 Feb 2007 11:28:48 AM
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:18:53 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:15:08 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:

Nowadays, the easiest way to get started with Linux would be to download
and burn a 'Live CD' of Ubuntu. You can boot from the CD, and run Ubuntu,
without changing anything on your hard disk. If you want something more
permanent, there are open source tools for shrinking your existing Windows
partition, allowing a permanent Linux installation, so you can chose at
system start-up whether to boot into Windows or Linux.


I do the same thing with Puppy, booting from a thumb drive. Since I
develop on Windows I don't use Linux much, but it's there to boot if I
need it.

Sounds like Vista is going to turn things into a royal nightmare.
Note: A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection [link] follows
the below article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6286245.stm
Monday, 22 January 2007, 12:12 GMT
Vista copy protection is defended
Microsoft has defended the digital rights management systems integrated
into its new Vista operating system.
It follows reports that Vista would "downgrade" the quality of all video
and audio, if they were not output via approved connections on the PC.
Microsoft said only the quality of "premium content" would be lowered,
and only if requested by copyright holders.
The measures are in place, says the firm, to protect content such as
high definition movies from being copied.
Vista's copy protection systems have come under fire from many quarters,
including recently from Peter Gutmann, a computer science lecturer at
the University of Auckland.
In a report looking at the impact Vista would have on video and audio
playback, he described Vista's Content Protection specification as "the
longest suicide note in history".
He said Vista was "broken by design" and intentionally crippled the way
it displayed video.
"The sheer obnoxiousness of Vista's content protection may end up being
the biggest incentive to piracy yet created," he wrote.
Enforced
In a response to the paper, Dave Marsh, lead program manager for video
at Microsoft, said many of the copy protection systems enforced by Vista
were common on all playback devices.
He said Vista did have the capability of downgrading video and audio
quality, like other devices, but that it would only be activated "when
required by the policy associated with the content being played".
The copyright holders of content on HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs, for
example, can insist that the video be played back in high definition
only if it is output via a connection that supports the HDCP protection
system on a PC and a TV or monitor.
That could prove a problem for many PC users whose graphics cards have a
DVI or component video connection which do not support HDCP.
Microsoft said that if picture quality was degraded it would still be
better than current DVD quality.
Mr Marsh also denied reports that the degradation would impact all video
output, insisting it would only apply to premium content video.
'Very unhappy'
Mr Gutmann told BBC News: "It's reassuring that they are saying that
only the ability to playback high definition video can be revoked.
"But if consumers have gone out and paid thousands of dollars on high
quality, high resolution, high definition displays and find the content
is downscaled or there is no picture at all, they are going to be very
unhappy.
"Some of the feedback I have been getting indicates that HD-DVD discs
are not playing on some PCs."
Mr Gutmann also highlighted the extra demands put on a computer's CPU to
handle Vista's Content Protection systems.
Microsoft admitted that the CPU will be taxed further but Mr Marsh said
"Vista's Content Protection features were developed to carefully balance
the need to provide robust protection... while still enabling great new
experiences..."
Mr Gutmann said it was insincere of Microsoft to lay the responsibility
for the increased copy protection systems at the feet of content
providers.
He said: "Saying 'we were only following orders' has historically proven
not to be a very good excuse.
"If you have got the protection measures there, the impulse is to use
the most stringent ones at your disposal.
"In general, some sort of DRM is necessary, but we need to strike a
balance. It's very consumer-hostile technology that is being deployed."
/end
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 09 Feb 2007 09:06:09 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:28:48 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

Sounds like Vista is going to turn things into a royal nightmare.

Microsoft broke their own SendKeys function (programs that use it no
longer work under the current release of Vista) and , from what I've
heard, you can't use the iPod download site you've paid to use to
download to an iPod if you're using Vista.
I'll stay with XP for at least a few more years.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 12 Feb 2007 10:41:04 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:06:09 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism

On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:28:48 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

Sounds like Vista is going to turn things into a royal nightmare.


Microsoft broke their own SendKeys function (programs that use it no
longer work under the current release of Vista) and , from what I've
heard, you can't use the iPod download site you've paid to use to
download to an iPod if you're using Vista.

I'll stay with XP for at least a few more years.

Yep. I'd get rid of my computer before I'd go with the crippled
rubbish.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.






User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 01:22:31 AM
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in
common with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most
atheists are former theists who took the time and effort to examine
the assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't
stand up to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon
theism, and become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat
enlightened, and look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on
those who still cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they
just want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much
about their religion, they just go to church every Sunday because
that's what they were taught to do by their parents, and they never
saw a reason to stop. If you point out to them the illogic of many of
their beliefs, they would agree that it doesn't make sense, but
continue being theistic, anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to
change are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you
using Linux?

I don't have enough faith to use Linux!
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
AUTHORITARIANS ARE PERVERTS. Why?
--They consider themselves shepherds.
--They consider the rest of us sheep.
--Shepherds ***** sheep.
--Therefore AUTHORITARIANS ARE PERVERTS.
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 07:52:21 AM
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:22:31 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:

MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up
to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and
become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and
look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still
cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The computers
they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they just accept using
it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much about their
religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's what they
were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason to stop.
If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs, they
would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to
change are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


I don't have enough faith to use Linux!

Infidel! You will all drown in lakes of blood!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.
User: "Darth Smartass"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 31 Jan 2007 06:15:04 PM
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.13.52.18.989929@stopspam.net:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:22:31 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:

MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you
using Linux?


I don't have enough faith to use Linux!


Infidel! You will all drown in lakes of blood!

Join me in the Dark Side.
--
Darth Smartass, BAAWA Knight of the Sith
.

User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 10:48:39 AM
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:22:31 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:

MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world. Most atheists
are former theists who took the time and effort to examine the
assumptions implicit in being a theist, and found they didn't stand up
to scrutiny. So, they buck the popular trend, abandon theism, and
become atheists. Having done so, they feel somewhat enlightened, and
look with some combination of puzzlement and scorn on those who still
cling to theism.

In a very similar way, many Linux users decided that staying with
Windows was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers
mentality, and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a
bit harder to master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why
more people don't see things the way we do.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The computers
they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they just accept using
it. Similarly, many theists don't really think much about their
religion, they just go to church every Sunday because that's what they
were taught to do by their parents, and they never saw a reason to stop.
If you point out to them the illogic of many of their beliefs, they
would agree that it doesn't make sense, but continue being theistic,
anyway.

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to
change are willing to even try.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


I don't have enough faith to use Linux!


Infidel! You will all drown in lakes of blood!

And when they have all fallen away, Chuck will roast Tux on a spit and we
of the BSD will dine on the fallen.
(FreeBSD, when you get tired of the *****)
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor

A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
.



User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 10:19:54 AM
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in news:pan.2007.01.29.04.06.01.266003
@nowhere.com:

Being a Linux user in a predominately Windows world has a lot in common
with being an atheist in a predominately theistic world.

Are you calling me a theist, boy?
OK, what about OSX? Buddhist?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
.
User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 12:05:52 PM
Uncle Vic:

OK, what about OSX? Buddhist?

What about heathens like me? MacOS perhaps? 8)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.


User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 28 Jan 2007 10:26:48 PM
MarkA wrote:

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.

Assuming this post is serious, it boils down to "let's all be different
together!" Or to paraphrase Calvin and Hobbes, let's show we're
mavericks through conformity in OS selection.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

Because not every atheist is a mindless drone who feels he needs to do
what everyone else is doing to be cool.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 07:59:37 AM
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:26:48 -0600, L. Raymond wrote:

MarkA wrote:

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing.
Habits are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change
are willing to even try.


Assuming this post is serious, it boils down to "let's all be different
together!" Or to paraphrase Calvin and Hobbes, let's show we're mavericks
through conformity in OS selection.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?


Because not every atheist is a mindless drone who feels he needs to do
what everyone else is doing to be cool.

Haven't you heard? Geeky-nerdism is the new 'cool'!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.


User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 12:04:43 PM
MarkA:

...many Linux users decided that staying with Windows
was foolish, and were willing to abandon the safety in numbers mentality,
and adopt an OS they feel is technically superior, albeit a bit harder to
master. We also feel more enlightened, and wonder why more people don't
see things the way we do.

I can't speak for everyone, but I guess at least for the company I'm
currently working for (but am not directly employed by) the reason is an
exclusive contract with M$. I've been told by some of my colleagues (who
are directly in the company's pay) that plans were made once to replace
some shitty-running M$ fileservers with something that works
(Linux/Unix)... but then M$ told them "do that and lose ALL support from
our side". Great. Go tell that to a world-wide automobile manufacturer.

Many Windows users don't care about how their computers work; they just
want them to work without a lot of effort on their part. The
computers they buy come with Windows installed on them, so they
just accept using it.

And the really sad thing is to see how fucking little even the more
"enlightened" M$ users often know. I should know - I take their calls (for
help) every single workday. Yes, compared with the company average "our"
users are quite smart (they actually learned that it's not a good idea to
open every stinking .zip sent to them by unknown sources!), but still...

It is much more comfortable to continue doing things the way you have done
them in the past, even if there are clear advantages to changing. Habits
are hard to break, and only those few who really want to change are
willing to even try.

That's, sadly, old news. Humanity as a whole tends to abhor change as much
as nature (proverbially) abhors vacuum.

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

Does that count too for the non-morontheist believer and Linux user that I
am? ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.

User: "Chris Johnson"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 12:11:55 AM
On Jan 28, 10:06 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
<snip>

I guess the bottom line is, if you are an atheist, why aren't you using
Linux?

I use Linux exclusively on my main box, though it's not out of any
attempt at noncomformity, but simply because I don't like Windows, and
I don't have any programs that need it. There's a 10GB partition left
available in case I ever need to install Windows, but I haven't had to
use it in around 2 years, ever since I got CounterStrike to run on
wine.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 12:45:42 PM
Chris Johnson <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

There's a 10GB partition left available in case I ever need to install
Windows, but I haven't had to use it in around 2 years, ever since I
got CounterStrike to run on wine.

How does it run on beer?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Chris Johnson"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 06:32:01 PM
On Jan 29, 12:45 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

Chris Johnson <effig...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

There's a 10GB partition left available in case I ever need to install
Windows, but I haven't had to use it in around 2 years, ever since I
got CounterStrike to run on wine.


How does it run on beer?

A little laggy.
.
User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 07:01:30 PM
On 29 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0800, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Jan 29, 12:45 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

Chris Johnson <effig...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

There's a 10GB partition left available in case I ever need to install
Windows, but I haven't had to use it in around 2 years, ever since I
got CounterStrike to run on wine.


How does it run on beer?


A little laggy.

Maybe in needs aleing up.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.
User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Linux and atheism 29 Jan 2007 09:15:10 PM
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:01:30 -0500, raven1 wrote:

On 29 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0800, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 29, 12:45 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

Chris Johnson <effig...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

There's a 10GB partition left available in case I ever need to
install Windows, but I haven't had to use it in around 2 years, ever
since I got CounterStrike to run on wine.


How does it run on beer?


A little laggy.


Maybe in needs aleing up.

It probably hops along just fine.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
.






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