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"J Young" |
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06 Mar 2005 09:39:02 PM |
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Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html
On its Web site and newsletters, the North American Man/Boy Love
Association advocates sex between men and boys and cites ancient Greece
to justify the practice.
It goes by the acronym NAMBLA, and the FBI has been following it for
years, linking it to pedophilia and recently infiltrating it with an
agent successful enough to be asked to join the group's steering
committee.
Law enforcement officials and mental health professionals say that
while NAMBLA's membership numbers are small, the group has a dangerous
ripple effect through the Internet by sanctioning the behavior of those
who would abuse children.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
06 Mar 2005 10:02:23 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html
Are you looking to sign up new members, now the the FBI's taken
away some of your buddies recently?
Y'know, it's amazing how many gazillion porn spams I've gotten
citing "barely legal girls" but so few with the equivalent for the male
gender. The market signals tell me that your little organization is an
oddity that generates far more heat than its actual criminal or civil
activities would justify.
Elf
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
07 Mar 2005 12:31:56 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:1110166742.069802.172130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized
as the ones who go for little boys?
Don't think so. Boylovers were, until the late 70s, part of
the gay community, and rightly so (people who know their
gay history know this; no matter how much the Andrew Sullivan
johnny-come-latelys deny it). Harry Hay, the founder of the
1950s Mattachine Society, the US's first gay rights group,
also founded NAMBLA (Hay had an older lover when he was a
youngster, so he knew the truth).
Somehow, enough of
these "men" found comfort in some community that allowed
them to organize.
Unfortunately, no. The police have been caught, as I recall,
planting evidence on NAMBLA before, in an attempt to smear
them, in the 1980s, and got their wrists slapped. We'll see
how this case turns out.
Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manbo
y-daily.html
On its Web site and newsletters, the North American Man/Boy
Love Association advocates sex between men and boys and
cites ancient Greece to justify the practice.
It goes by the acronym NAMBLA, and the FBI has been
following it for years, linking it to pedophilia and
recently infiltrating it with an agent successful enough to
be asked to join the group's steering committee.
Law enforcement officials and mental health professionals
Gawd! "Mental Health Professionals?"....some creditials here
please? Both cross-cultural studies and even *good*
pyschological studies within this country say that NAMBLA's
position is essentially correct; consensual adult-junior sex
doesn't cause any harm, it's the reaction of society and
elders that causes harm. Heck, even Kinsey suspect that.
Some people have criticized NAMBLA for not being practical;
I tend to agree, even though I think they're factually correct
in their positions.
say that while NAMBLA's membership numbers are small, the
group has a dangerous ripple effect through the Internet by
sanctioning the behavior of those who would abuse children.
NAMBLA isn't dangerous. People who fly airplanes into buildings,
or start unnecessary and illegal wars overseas to steal another
country's natural resources, now THEY are dangerous.
Understand?
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
07 Mar 2005 10:54:14 PM |
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On 7 Mar 2005 18:31:56 -0000,
(Secret Squirrel) wrote:
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:1110166742.069802.172130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized
as the ones who go for little boys?
Don't think so. Boylovers were, until the late 70s, part of
the gay community, and rightly so (people who know their
gay history know this; no matter how much the Andrew Sullivan
johnny-come-latelys deny it). Harry Hay, the founder of the
1950s Mattachine Society, the US's first gay rights group,
also founded NAMBLA (Hay had an older lover when he was a
youngster, so he knew the truth).
Somehow, enough of
these "men" found comfort in some community that allowed
them to organize.
Unfortunately, no. The police have been caught, as I recall,
planting evidence on NAMBLA before, in an attempt to smear
them, in the 1980s, and got their wrists slapped. We'll see
how this case turns out.
Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manbo
y-daily.html
On its Web site and newsletters, the North American Man/Boy
Love Association advocates sex between men and boys and
cites ancient Greece to justify the practice.
It goes by the acronym NAMBLA, and the FBI has been
following it for years, linking it to pedophilia and
recently infiltrating it with an agent successful enough to
be asked to join the group's steering committee.
Law enforcement officials and mental health professionals
Gawd! "Mental Health Professionals?"....some creditials here
please? Both cross-cultural studies and even *good*
pyschological studies within this country say that NAMBLA's
position is essentially correct; consensual adult-junior sex
doesn't cause any harm, it's the reaction of society and
elders that causes harm. Heck, even Kinsey suspect that.
That wouldn't match my own experience of the people I've met
who were molested. They were fucked up. You cannot seperate
the act from the context in which it occurs. You cannot view
children as being capable of looking after themselves in the
same manner that adults are. Thus the concept of "age of
consent". Kinsey should be taken with a grain of salt. His
methodology was highly flawed, he had serious personal
issues, and the research is pretty old. Bottom line, you're
doing harm, chomo. Lynching's too good for you.
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
20 Mar 2005 06:18:40 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in
news:4lbq21pnbcbmjust1ellrih4r0jtj0je87@4ax.com:
On 7 Mar 2005 18:31:56 -0000,
(Secret Squirrel) wrote:
Gawd! "Mental Health Professionals?"....some creditials here
please? Both cross-cultural studies and even *good*
pyschological studies within this country say that NAMBLA's
position is essentially correct; consensual adult-junior sex
doesn't cause any harm, it's the reaction of society and
elders that causes harm. Heck, even Kinsey suspect that.
That wouldn't match my own experience of the people I've met
who were molested. They were fucked up.
Maybe your sample set is too small? I've known quite a few
who did and weren't "fucked up" (my first boyfriend, in fact).
Moreover, even those who were "fucked up", it wasn't because
of the sex. Anyone who's spent any time in the gay community,
and who's honest about it, can tell you similar stories.
You cannot seperate
the act from the context in which it occurs. You cannot view
children as being capable of looking after themselves in the
same manner that adults are.
Who says the right to have sex means you have to "look
after yourself", like paying the mortgage and the car payment?
Sex is a little thing, it doesn't require the ability to do
calculus as a prerequisite.
Thus the concept of "age of consent".
Funny how that age varies across cultures and countries,
despite you're trying to make it some human absolute. Even
today.
Maybe that's because the AOC is a completely artificial
invention, and isn't tied to human nature at all?
Kinsey should be taken with a grain of salt. His
methodology was highly flawed, he had serious personal
issues, and the research is pretty old.
True, but on some things he was right. His contentions
on this issue have been demonstrated to be essentially
correct.
Now, if you want to talk about "highly flawed" psychological
studies, the ones that supposedly demonstrate harm are good
ones, because they're universally based on flawed sampling
methods, methods which are proven to be unreliable and are
indeed rejected in every other field. You can't draw any
inferences from clinical or prison populations outside of,
well, clinics or prisons.
Bottom line, you're
doing harm, chomo. .
Who says I'm doing harm? You don't know what I'm doing,
except expressing an opinion that you don't like and you
can't apparently refute.
Lynching's too good for you
Ah, the obigatory threat of violence.
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
07 Mar 2005 09:24:49 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html
Never more than the fringe of the fringe when it actually existed, the
membership of this group for the last 20 years and more has consists almost
exclusively of law enforcement undercover agents and right wing fanatics
desperate to get every bit of dirt they think they can get. It is almost
funny how the folks most vocal about shutting the group down are the only
ones keeping it alive. Mainly, I'm sure, because eliminating them would
eliminate the one and only "proof" they have of their own sick fantasies.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
06 Mar 2005 11:33:30 PM |
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On 6 Mar 2005 19:39:02 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Freedom of Speech baby, it's the American way.
These asswipes are free to advocate whatever they want. They can do
it until the sun slips off the main sequence. I don't see them having
any success.
Oh, "NAMBLA" is actually about three guys. They like to pretend to
have larger numbers to make themselves look more legitimate.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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07 Mar 2005 09:25:47 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On 6 Mar 2005 19:39:02 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Freedom of Speech baby, it's the American way.
These asswipes are free to advocate whatever they want. They can do
it until the sun slips off the main sequence. I don't see them having
any success.
Oh, "NAMBLA" is actually about three guys. They like to pretend to
have larger numbers to make themselves look more legitimate.
One of them is an FBI informer. The other two work for Focus on the Family
who joined up for an "inside view" of the "filth that is homosexuals."
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex |
07 Mar 2005 08:53:05 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 05:33:30 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2005 19:39:02 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Freedom of Speech baby, it's the American way.
These asswipes are free to advocate whatever they want. They can do
it until the sun slips off the main sequence. I don't see them having
any success.
Oh, "NAMBLA" is actually about three guys. They like to pretend to
have larger numbers to make themselves look more legitimate.
Yeah, they aren't nearly as big as the catholic church.
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| User: "Charlie Wilkes" |
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07 Mar 2005 07:27:58 PM |
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On 7 Mar 2005 08:53:05 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 05:33:30 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2005 19:39:02 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Are the perverts who accost little girls as well organized as the ones
who go for little boys? Somehow, enough of these "men" found comfort in
some community that allowed them to organize.
Freedom of Speech baby, it's the American way.
These asswipes are free to advocate whatever they want. They can do
it until the sun slips off the main sequence. I don't see them having
any success.
Oh, "NAMBLA" is actually about three guys. They like to pretend to
have larger numbers to make themselves look more legitimate.
Yeah, they aren't nearly as big as the catholic church.
Christianity rears its ugly head in this story, however, just as one
might expect.
"A Fullerton chiropractor who was also an assistant pastor at his
church was arrested on child-pornography charges as part of the sting,
and bail was set at $100,000.
"He admitted taking an Encinitas boy to Balboa Park and molesting him,
the FBI said in court documents. Prosecutors have not charged him in
connection with those allegations."
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