Religions > Atheism > Logical Arguments Against God & Difficult questions about God
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"The Infidel Guy" |
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04 Oct 2003 08:52:37 PM |
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Logical Arguments Against God & Difficult questions about God |
"America's Most Dangerous Black Atheist." - Landover Baptist Church
Hi group,
I haven't posted here in ages, been really busy with my radio show, debates,
website, lectures and family. Anyway, I am working on creating a database of
logical arguments against God as well as accepting difficult questions to
ask theists. I would like for some of you to submit your logical arguments
in syllogistic fashion to: infidelguy@infidelguy.com. See examples at the
links below. The page will eventually evolve into an area divided by tabs
and search functions. I know some of them need some work but I think that if
we put our heads together, we can come up with some really good simple
syllogistic arguments that theists may find extremely difficult to refute if
not impossible to refute.
A direct link to my logical arguments against God are below:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=36
Questions about God are here:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=45
Thanks for your time.
In Reason,
Reginald V. Finley, Sr.
Host: The Infidel Guy
http://www.infidelguy.com
ARGUMENT FROM NON-BELIEF
1.) If the Christian God exists, he wants ALL humans to know he exists.
2.) If the Christian God exists, he knows what evidences are sufficient for
ALL to know that he exists.
3.) Not ALL people believe in God.
4.) God's evidences, thus far, are insufficient for ALL to believe.
5.) God either wants non-christians to exist or there is no Christian God.
(from 2,3 and 4)
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| User: "Dave W" |
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| Title: Re: Logical Arguments Against God & Difficult questions about God |
04 Oct 2003 09:54:21 PM |
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"The Infidel Guy" <infidelguy@infidelguy.com> wrote in
news:59Ifb.14603$9a7.13688@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"America's Most Dangerous Black Atheist." - Landover Baptist Church
Hi group,
I haven't posted here in ages, been really busy with my radio show,
debates, website, lectures and family. Anyway, I am working on
creating a database of logical arguments against God as well as
accepting difficult questions to ask theists. I would like for some of
you to submit your logical arguments in syllogistic fashion to:
infidelguy@infidelguy.com. See examples at the links below. The page
will eventually evolve into an area divided by tabs and search
functions. I know some of them need some work but I think that if we
put our heads together, we can come up with some really good simple
syllogistic arguments that theists may find extremely difficult to
refute if not impossible to refute.
A direct link to my logical arguments against God are below:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=36
Questions about God are here:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=45
Thanks for your time.
In Reason,
Reginald V. Finley, Sr.
Host: The Infidel Guy
http://www.infidelguy.com
ARGUMENT FROM NON-BELIEF
1.) If the Christian God exists, he wants ALL humans to know he
exists. 2.) If the Christian God exists, he knows what evidences are
sufficient for ALL to know that he exists.
3.) Not ALL people believe in God.
4.) God's evidences, thus far, are insufficient for ALL to believe.
5.) God either wants non-christians to exist or there is no Christian
God. (from 2,3 and 4)
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My take on the above and some other aguments.
Number 1 states that the xian God want all humans to know he exists and
worship him. Also the xian God is supposedly a loving benevolent God.
However the xian God threatens eternal torture as a consequence of non
belief. Non belief that is justified by (as above) the complete lack of
evidences for not only a xian God but gods and the supernatural in
general.
In addition to the conclusion that "God either wants non-christians to
exist or there is no Christian God." Should the xian God exist, it is not
benevolent or loving.
To put it another way. If we are a creation of God. The logic we posess
was given to us by that God. To be penalized eternally for that logic is
unjust and cruel. For God to be omnipotent, it would be purposfully
withholding evidences of its existence.
<This might not make as much sense once the Ketel One wears off>
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Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Logical Arguments Against God & Difficult questions about God |
04 Oct 2003 08:46:54 PM |
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In article <59Ifb.14603$9a7.13688@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
infidelguy@infidelguy.com says...
"America's Most Dangerous Black Atheist." - Landover Baptist Church
Hi group,
I haven't posted here in ages, been really busy with my radio show, debates,
website, lectures and family. Anyway, I am working on creating a database of
logical arguments against God as well as accepting difficult questions to
ask theists. I would like for some of you to submit your logical arguments
in syllogistic fashion to: infidelguy@infidelguy.com. See examples at the
links below. The page will eventually evolve into an area divided by tabs
and search functions. I know some of them need some work but I think that if
we put our heads together, we can come up with some really good simple
syllogistic arguments that theists may find extremely difficult to refute if
not impossible to refute.
A direct link to my logical arguments against God are below:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=36
Questions about God are here:
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=45
Thanks for your time.
In Reason,
Reginald V. Finley, Sr.
Host: The Infidel Guy
http://www.infidelguy.com
ARGUMENT FROM NON-BELIEF
1.) If the Christian God exists, he wants ALL humans to know he exists.
2.) If the Christian God exists, he knows what evidences are sufficient for
ALL to know that he exists.
I realize that this is just an example. However, I would add at least a
third premise that this hypothesized xian god has the power to convince
people through presentation of said evidence that he exists.
An optional fourth premise is that if god has the desire and the
ability to convince people that he exists that he will act on his
desire in a timely manner.
3.) Not ALL people believe in God.
Better would be "not all people know that the Xian God exists".
4.) God's evidences, thus far, are insufficient for ALL to believe.
you could combine 3 and 4 by saying, "Not all people know that the xian
god exists because the present evidence is insufficient to convince
them at this time."
5.) God either wants non-christians to exist
This seems a bit contrary to premise 1. What we want to conclude is
that the contradiction produced in 4 (ie the failure of the xian god to
prove his existence in a timely fashion) leads us to conclude that
there is not an xian god who wants us know he exists.
Here is a linguistic argument against the legitimacy of theism:
1. The statement S1="God exists" only has a logical truth value if the
term "God" is defined.
2. Until the term "God" is defined it is impossible to assert
meaningful belief in S1.
3. All existing definitions of god either contain more undefined terms
or contain logical contradictions.
4. The definitions in 3 are insufficient to define the term "God".
5. Therefore it is rational to assert that meaningful belief in god is
impossible until a well-defined and contradiction-free definition of
god is offered.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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