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Look at this *****, Mark K. Bilbo posts |
From:Mark K. Bilbo - view profile
Date:Sat, Jan 6 2007 7:33 pm
Email: "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo>
Groups: alt.atheism
Look at this *****, V posts the same damn post, one at a time, in
multiple
newsgroups:
http://tinyurl.com/yfkav7
Or here:
http://tinyurl.com/yeph6l
And he lectures other people about "computer addiction?"
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
Reply =BB Rate this post:
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V:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark. We can support
each other with help in such areas or tear down each other. I spend
some time trying to help others by participating in various forums, and
if nothing else, I help myself with right speech, right thought, right
actions and all the rest, jsut as the eightfold path of Buddhism
suggests.
What I write I also reread myself periodically to crystallize what
needs to be done to keep my peace Mark. It is also a good roadmap for
how I got to where I am today, as it is easy for me to forget - since
being at peace and being in a recovered state from my addictions is not
my normal way.
This technique has a firm grounding in historical philosophy as well.
Greco - Roman philosophers, Marcus Aurelius in particular, would use
their own writings for such purposes - to read their own writings as a
model to live their own lives. This is why they thought so highly of
maxims. I think it was a fellow named Pseudo-Isocrates that said, "For
as it is the nature of the body to be developed with appropriate
exercise, it is the nature of the soul to be developed by moral
precepts." Whether we use maxims, slogans, or long stories these are
all good supports for us to keep us going in the right direction with
our lives Mark.
As long as I seem to rent so much space in your head Mark, I decided to
spend a little time studying Mark K. Bilbo up this morning before going
to work.
When I searched for you I see you pop up as:
"Mark K. Bilbo is a controversial figure. He uses a number of unfair
and controversial tactics (e.g. ad hominem attacks, character
assassination, name calling, personal attacks, mockery) in his dealings
with Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_2005_Mar=
k_K._Bilbo
I also see you wee a writer at one time.
http://www.answers.com/topic/mark-k-bilbo
What happened to you Mark? You were very successful at one point in our
life. Now all you can do is measure your success by how much hate you
dish out?
Why don't you put your skills to good use and write the 'Atheists
Handbook.' Write a book on peace tools for atheists Mark. No need to
spend much time on arguing for or against God, its all been done
before. But not much out there on inner peace for atheists.
Sitting in front of any electric tube or screen excessively is not a
good way to live our life Mark. Yes, we can spend some of our life
doing it, but if we wish to live a good life we need to get out a
little. Of course, you are free to sit and 'tube' as much as you like.
But as you friend I mention it to you in the hopes you may think about
other options. You life as well as mine will soon be over and one
should not regret a life wishing they spent more time living instead of
just plastered to a screen when our time comes to die.
It much easier to fantasize about something else than stay in the hear
and now isn't it? Instead of writing about a fantasy life, go create a
real life, a life you can be proud of. I try and catch myself when I
practice this escapism and work to bring my thoughts back to the
present. Whenever the fantasy starts I check to see what I am escaping
from? Why do I fixate on something else instead of where I'm at?
Scared of dying? Scared of going to hell? Sacred V wont leave? Lose the
fear and find peace Mark.
The Tibetan Buddhists use the tool of meditation - meditation on death
as an exercise to help them live with gratitude and peace in the
present. They meditate on the fact that death is certain to all living
things and the time of their death is also uncertain. This helps them
to live each moment in a way that will give them a good death or
transition into a new reincarnation. Death could come as you read this
or next year, but sooner or later our day will come. We can develop a
higher awareness and gratitude for our life and all that it contains at
this very moment once we accept these facts and treasure how fragile
life is and the gift we have been given. And even as we lay dying
someday we can die peacefully by practicing grateful acceptance for
having the opportunity to have lived a life at all. Once we accept
death peacefully we can move on and need less things to distract and
blind us.
Developing a list of positive time fillers was a big help with my
addictions Mark. As Thoreau wrote in Walden , "The devil finds work for
idle hands." Before heading in this new direction, most of my time was
occupied by what to buy next, overeating rich foods and getting fat and
when I wanted a break from that I had a picnic basket of other
addictive areas to get drugged up with. Most of my new activities are
sport or movement related as they also serve the purposes of helping
with my overeating disease and have the added benefit of improved
health and don't produce clutter like some hobbies do. In addition they
help with depression, balance and equilibrium and brain functioning.
Now, keeping busy is not the cure all for addicts, but it is a
necessary foundational pillar.
Other areas of importance are those activities that relax our minds or
stimulate them for healthy growth potential. Bottom line: is the
activity pleasing to us, healthy, nurturing and sustainable? You can
also use the SCA guidelines for any questions about the activity: is
the activity placing unreasonable demands on my time and energy, will
it place me in legal jeopardy or endanger my mental, physical or
spiritual health? Remember, as Jack LaLane said, exercise and eating
healthy, natural foods are the King and Queen of good health. If you
hate to move and hate to eat well, then do as he also said; "I
developed a liking for things that are good for me."
Now I have much to look forward to in life for activities or rewards
that are not destructive and are sustainable. Activities to occupy
yourself that don't revolve around spending, eating, gambling, drugs or
alcohol or other addictive areas only go so far in recovery though. You
also have to be careful to take time to relax and not escape life
through activity. Horace wrote, "Caelum non animum mutant qui trans
mare currunt--You can run away as far as you like but you'll never get
away from yourself." 12 Step work, reducing stress, repairing the
wreckage of the past and living a balanced life all contribute to
heading in the right recovery direction.
I've enclosed a few of some of my activities below for your perusal.
Also be careful you don't find another excuse to compulsively spend
with each new activity or sport you take up. That is something I have
to watch. For instance. If you take up rollerblading, you buy one pair
of skates and one set or protective gear, etc. You don't buy 5 pairs of
skates 5 different skate bags and 8 sets of skate clothes, in all
colors for each day of the week plus one extra for holidays. If you
want different skates, you sell the old pair and then buy a different
set. Everything is on a "one in ~ one out" basis to avoid compulsive
spending, stockpiling and clutter.
Partial List of My Positive Time Filling Activities:
Hiking, Mountain Bike, Climbing Gym and Rock Climbing, Basketball,
Rollerblading, Trail Running, Jet Skiing, Racquetball, Swim, Sun Bath,
Fishing, Canoeing, Skateboarding, Weight Training, Target Shooting,
Camping, Jogging, Kayaking, Motorcycle, Snowshoe, Downhill Skiing, XC
Skiing, Yoga, Massage, Meditation, Dirt Bike, Free Lectures and Movies
at a Local University, Snow Tubing, Snorkeling / Scuba, Napping or
Relaxing in a Hammock, Bar B Q, Picnics, Library, Spiritual Studies,
Free Musical Events and Concerts, Scenic Seasonal Car Trips, Travel.
Exercise and healthy eating are the king and queen of good health. They
must also sit on a thrown of low stress living. I hope you make the
king and queen part of your life. Here is a small snip from
Psychotherapy Toady regarding the benefits of exercise with addiction.
Why does exercise have such an impact on the emotional brain?
Naturally, there is, first of all, its effect on endorphins. These tiny
molecules secreted by the brain resemble opium and its derivatives,
such as morphine and heroin. The emotional brain contains many
receptors for endorphins, and that's why it is so sensitive to opium-it
immediately radiates a sensation of well-being and satisfaction by
hijacking one of the emotional brain's own intrinsic mechanisms. Opium
has a powerful effect on emotions-in fact, it's the strongest known
antidote to the pangs of separation and mourning. However, when
derivatives of opium are used too often, they can become habit forming.
Brain receptors become inured to them, so the dose must be
systematically increased in order to produce the same effect. Moreover,
because the receptors become less and less sensitive, regular pleasures
lose all their power and potency-including sex, the pleasure of which
is often reduced in drug addicts.
The secretion of endorphins brought on by physical exercise does
exactly the opposite. The more the natural mechanism of pleasure is
gently stimulated by exercise, the more sensitive the mechanism itself
becomes. In addition to relishing sex and life's other big pleasures,
people who exercise regularly actually get more pleasure out of the
little things in life: their friendships, their cats, their meals,
their hobbies, or even the smiles of passersby in the street.
Essentially, it becomes easier for them to be satisfied, And in fact,
the experience of pleasure is just the opposite of depression.
Depression is defined, above all, by the absence of pleasure, more so
than by sadness, which is probably the reason why the release of
endorphins has such a potent antidepressant and anxiolytic effect.
Stimulating the emotional brain by exercise also kindles the immune
system. It promotes the proliferation of "natural killer" cells, making
them more aggressive against infections and cancer cells. The opposite
effect occurs with heroin addicts, whose immunedefenses collapse, often
causing them to become gravely ill.
Exercise may also strengthen another physiological mechanism related to
emotional health. This mechanism involves what we have already learned
about heart rate variability. "'People who exercise regularly show a
greater variability in heart rate and more coherence than people who do
not. This means that their parasympathetic system, the physiological
"brake" that brings on periods of calm, is healthier and stronger. A
good balance between the two branches of the autonomic nervous system
is one of the best potential antidotes to anxiety and panic attacks.
All the symptoms of anxiety start with an overactive sympathetic
system, a dry mouth, accelerated heartbeat, sweating, trembling, a rise
in blood pressure. The sympathetic and parasympathetic systems are
always in opposition. Thus, the more stimulation the parasympathetic
branch receives, the stronger it becomes-like a developing muscle.
Check out:
http://www.computeraddiction.com/
http://www.rider.edu/suler/psycyber/cybaddict.html
http://cse.stanford.edu/classes/cs201/Projects/computer-addiction/
If you are tired of being angry Mark, just relinquish control and anger
will be diminished. Anger and control go hand in hand. Some of these
tendencies come from habit other times they stem from ignorance. Either
way we can change our habits or extinguish ignorance with knowledge,
mindfulness and practice. The first step is realization that something
is disturbing our peace needs to be changed, so glad you have taken
this first step for without realization that there is a problem nothing
can be done. I get stuck here as well with wrong thoughts and wrong
speech and am thankful for your post as a reminder to be on guard of
this tendency and to work on being mindful of the Buddhist eightfold
path. I already have the knowledge but sometimes am not mindful of
walking the path.
On page 90 of the AA's 12 and 12 the writers mention how the addict
cannot afford "justifiable anger" and it should be left to those better
qualified to handle it. With reference to this statement -- it is
gospel - there is no argument here. We can always settle such disputes
by looking deeply into the person, place, thing or emotion in question
and ask if it helps or hurts our practice? Does having anger and
hatred in our hearts ever increase our peace or serenity or does it
diminish it? Even is we are justified, so called, in having this
emotion does it suddenly become a peace generator in our life with this
newfound license to hate or is it still a peace buster whether we have
an excuse or not? The path is clear about which direction to take and
all that remains is the release of the anger.
Some people get confused with this anger question and beat themselves
for still experiencing this emotion thinking they should be a
"perfectly spiritual individual" and above such lowly emotions as
getting angry. They think they can perfect their lives and wipe out
natural law with one blow called spirituality. Due to the diversity of
thought we humans are capable of we have all sorts of thoughts and
emotions that pop up in our heads. Without this ability we could not
think as we do. But, just because thoughts or emotions pop up in our
heads the choice is ours alone whether we foster and build on any
particular thought or emotion. Spirituality does not eliminate such
thoughts - it just helps decide what we do with them.
Anger is also part of our natural make up. Anger is an emotions that
can serve us when we need to summon it up in a life or death situation
such as self defense or when our species had to hunt big game for a
living - hunt with spears, clubs and rocks. Even if we are dealing with
life or death self defense and must generate anger, the byproducts is
still a disruption of our peace as we recover from the circumstance as
a shaking and rattled mess. So, even if anger is justified, so called,
it does not magically become a peace promoter in our lives instead of a
peace destroyer. Anger is also an important emotion for self
preservation in less dangerous circumstances than big game hunts, for
without feeling anger we wound not seek out change - changing our
environment that might be an unhealthy one for us. So, we should never
regret feeling anger, but just as anger and excretion are two naturally
occurring parts of being a human, we should let them serve us instead
of we being enslaved to them.
But, I am here to remind you that besides justified anger, there are
HUNDREDS of other things that one cannot "afford" in their life is they
desire inner peace. Sure, we can all white knuckle it and just scrape
by with, ready to slip off at a moments notice if we want to put our
desires before our practice. But, learning what fits and what does not
fit comfortably in our life is the ongoing battle we all have to
undertake if we want peace. In short, we have to ask if our practice
can "afford" the many things we come into daily contact with and the
measure of our success will be determined by how well we live within
our comfortable means by asking this "affordability" question.
Before I could find lasting and peaceful recovery I had to learn to
refuse many areas of my old life that did not serve me any longer. This
is how I coined the phrase, "You are not recovering until your start
refusing...refusing the old sick ways that got you here." The 3 paths
that addiction (Yes, anger is addictive) can take are these: the
addiction can be increased, it can be decreased or can be frozen. These
3 paths shows us which direction we are headed in with our recovery at
any given moment. Clarity about affordability comes from a continual
orientation of putting our programs wants first and our personal wants
or desires second and by asking the question of how any person, place,
thing or activity will affect my recovery program? Once the addict has
this affordability mindset in place they can direct their thoughts
towards the cultivation of recovery, so that whatever action they are
engaged in - it is always evaluated from this perspective and they can
find great success from applying this single minded dedication to
change. Suddenly they find their recovery practice and life can become
as one and asking such questions becomes second nature for them.
But again, this is the textbook or idealistic way of looking at this
affordability question, we need practical application in the real
world. Many of us have families and jobs and to be a total renunciate
of all things disruptive to our peace and our recovery program is not
always possible or desirable when looking at the big picture. I often
hear excuses from other addicts saying they can't stop this or that
because of their family, jobs or other obligations, so we need to
balance these two extremes of being a total renunciate with the other
extreme of being paralyzed and not changing a thing because of excuses
and justification. We have to work towards a balance if we want peace
and just like exercise, we always seem to find reasons for not doing
what we know is right.
The way I work it is to be aware of what is disruptive to my peace and
to change it if possible as a first choice or work on accepting it as
the serenity prayer says as a second choice. I try to stay away from
justification or looking for excuses to continue on the wrong path. I
either change things or work on accepting them. If we base our
decisions of proven principles of recovery it helps takes us out of the
decision making process and rests our recovery on solid foundation
instead of excuses. I don't beat myself for not being able to perform
well in every given circumstance under the sun. I know that I do not
mesh well with everything and everybody in life and I have certain
limits and abilities. To do otherwise would say that we have the right
to be perfect and violate our make up and that we have no limits or
boundaries to govern us and are godlike. The 12 step programs reminds
us to work within our limits by "staying right size" on pages 122-125,
so it tells me right there I am not immune to all things destructive
just because I work the 12 steps.
In SCA they have a tool called abstention. They abstain the best way
they can from people places or things they have found to be detrimental
to their recovery program efforts from past experience with them. My
recovery success is based a lot on abstaining from people, places and
things that do not mesh well with me and if I cannot avoid them, then I
work to make the unavoidable fit better by changing things on my end.
Yes, we cannot change others, but we do usually have control of
ourselves and how we participate in dealing with others. Even though
we cannot completely change or wipe our many problem areas in our life
we can usually change *some* aspects of most problems to make them more
bearable. So, I am always looking for small changes to make in the
right direction and this recovery orientation towards the direction of
change helps by giving hope of possible larger future change as well.
In addition you can work practice a meditation on the 4 Immeasurables
aka Divine States of Dwelling. Radiate the 4 Immeasurables in all 4
directions as well, as above and below you so it emanates from your
being throughout the universe.
Meditate on:
Limitless Compassion for all suffering beings.
Limitless Joy for over the salvation of others from suffering
Limitless Peace for all beings whether friend or enemy
Limitless Kindness towards all sentient beings.
But bottom line is either you must change from the inside out - or life
will change you 'its way' from the outside in and this tends to rot
your insides Mark.
PS; I am most grateful for alt.atshim to have taught me so much about
computers these past months. Yes, I used to post singly to the usenet,
now they have shown me how to post to multiple groups at once. The only
problem is with google...they limit how many groups I can post to at
once. Thanks again for all your help, I appreciate it!
Take care,
=20
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V (Male)
=20
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: Look at this *****, Mark K. Bilbo posts |
08 Jan 2007 09:31:04 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote :
When I searched for you I see you pop up as:
"Mark K. Bilbo is a controversial figure. He uses a number of unfair
and controversial tactics (e.g. ad hominem attacks, character
assassination, name calling, personal attacks, mockery) in his
dealings with Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_2005
_Mark_K._Bilbo
It is worth emphasising that this URL goes to the Wikipedia Mediation
group, in relation to a request from Jason Gastrich that the 'controversy'
surrounding Mark K. Bilbo be added to the main article under his name.
Moreover, the quotation offered here represents only the opening paragraph
of a lengthy and somewhat heated discussion as to whether or not there is
any such controversy and, if so, whether it is significant enough to
warrant inclusion in the name article. From a casual read through of the
discussion it appears that the 'controversy' involved is simply a standing
difference of opinion between Mark and Jason.
Therefore, this quotation does NOT constitute part of the primary NPOV
Wikipedia entry on Mark, but is simply the opinion of one user, cited here
for the advantage of the poster 'V'.
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| Title: Re: Look at this *****, Mark K. Bilbo posts |
08 Jan 2007 02:28:35 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do.
So, shut the ***** up and get help already. Sheesh!
Don't crosspost either, *****.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Look at this *****, Mark K. Bilbo posts |
08 Jan 2007 06:46:44 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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| User: "V" |
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11 Jan 2007 12:57:29 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
So the vote was moot.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| Title: Re: Look at this *****, Mark K. Bilbo posts |
11 Jan 2007 01:11:58 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com>
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
Well, since paying little attention to instructions from
questionable sources is how we came to be atheists in
the first place, does this surprise you?
-- cary
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11 Jan 2007 11:38:24 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
If you're still whining about that, you're offering proof that you're too
stupid to understand the basic workings of Usenet.
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
No one's obliged to give you your way in any forum.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
By your own words, you just implied you're an atheist, in your own
non-sequitur way.
So the vote was moot.
Your proclamations are good for target practice and not much else, in my
opinion.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
You couldn't annoy a mosquito, son.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, San Antonio 1 (January 7)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 12 at Iowa, 7:05
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11 Jan 2007 01:47:25 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in
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If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?\
I personally vote that you go the hell away before your ISP drops you.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "John Baker" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:56:11 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 10:57:29 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
That's OK, fucknuts. We'll just let your ISP get rid of you for us,
then.
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
***** you, you arrogant piece of *****.
So the vote was moot.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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12 Jan 2007 11:01:14 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:57:29 -0800, V wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
There is no "membership" in a Usenet newsgroup.
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
Damn you're a pretentious *****.
So the vote was moot.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
Look who's talking.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
No matter how many times you post your *fake* a.a. number, you do not and
never will appear on the official list.
End. Of. Story.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned
for life is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it
fits its hole" - Douglas Adams
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12 Jan 2007 07:45:03 PM |
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This idiot is too stupid to be funny.
Hasta, *****-for-brains.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Anyone who has begun to think places some portion of the world in
jeopardy."
-John Dewey
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13 Jan 2007 05:02:30 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2007 01:45:03 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns98B6B4B283782255229@130.133.1.4>
This idiot is too stupid to be funny.
Hasta, *****-for-brains.
You took your time giving him the elbow!
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| User: "Kate " |
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12 Jan 2007 09:25:02 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2007 01:45:03 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
This idiot is too stupid to be funny.
Hasta, *****-for-brains.
He's bonkers. Let's not encourage him. I think he has that genetic
disorder that makes you write reams and reams of crap. Kind of a
creative overdrive with nothing in control.
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13 Jan 2007 06:25:27 AM |
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Kate wrote:
On 13 Jan 2007 01:45:03 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
This idiot is too stupid to be funny.
Hasta, *****-for-brains.
He's bonkers. Let's not encourage him. I think he has that genetic
disorder that makes you write reams and reams of crap. Kind of a
creative overdrive with nothing in control.
He actually doesn't even write. I'll wager it's all crap he's
collected, and is collecting, and possibly ***** he's written long ago,
proving that V's computer addiction is with the cut and paste option of
his system.
I don't know about you agent, xnews and other NNTP client users out
there, but leafnode has two really nice config options. minlines and
maxlines. Sure does help keep the spool directory nice and clean. :-D
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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13 Jan 2007 05:02:56 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2007 21:25:02 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
- Refer: <45d35048.357830484@news-west.newscene.com>
On 13 Jan 2007 01:45:03 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
This idiot is too stupid to be funny.
Hasta, *****-for-brains.
He's bonkers. Let's not encourage him. I think he has that genetic
disorder that makes you write reams and reams of crap. Kind of a
creative overdrive with nothing in control.
Pat Robertson?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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11 Jan 2007 01:21:39 PM |
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V wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously.
That's an interesting statement. That implies that you will wage war if
you can't negotiate peace.
Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
So the vote was moot.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
And that seems like a threat. Since our actions were (apparently) not
to accept a "one time peace measure" with you, you viewed that as a
declaration of war and now the consequences are that you are going to
fight the atheists. Weird. And how does this affect your vaunted inner
peace? Really, V, you seem like the most tightly wound person on the
planet. Why are you so attached to telling us about your beliefs?
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| User: "" |
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11 Jan 2007 02:31:38 PM |
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V wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1168268282.091282.85180@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
You are addicted to lying as well. Remember, you promised to leave
alt.atheism.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for
religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
If you are referring to the vote I offered the group a while back to
settle my membership here?
I posted a short time after the vote was started that the replies were
not useable and I would not being going anywhere, since people were not
voting in generally acceptable terms.
Votes such as. "***** You" - "*****" - "I Don't care if You
Fucking Stay or Go" and on and on are not going to cut it
I offered that vote as a one time peace measure to this group, but it
was not taken seriously. Atheists it seems have hard time following the
simplest of instructions sometime.
So the vote was moot.
*****. You've just made a massive rationalization in an attempt to
disguise your lie.
Take responsibility for your actions and realize; all your actions have
consequences and many of your actions produce consequences that destroy
your peace.
And many of your actions have the consequence that you'll be called the
moron that you are.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2007 09:39:18 AM |
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I'm only on the computer briefly today because of tendinitis but I'm going
to reply to this full frontal assault.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:58:02 -0800, V wrote:
V:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
I don't HAVE "computer addiction" you *****. Stop projecting your problems
onto other people already.
The bulk of my professional life has involved computers. I have been at a
computer a great deal over the span of my professional life because that's
the field I went into.
DUH.
Do you also accuse carpenters of "hammer addiction"?
We can support
each other with help in such areas or tear down each other. I spend
some time trying to help others by participating in various forums, and
if nothing else, I help myself with right speech, right thought, right
actions and all the rest, jsut as the eightfold path of Buddhism
suggests.
What I write I also reread myself periodically to crystallize what
needs to be done to keep my peace Mark. It is also a good roadmap for
No, what you write is self-absorbed, condescending, arrogant rife, ego
masturbation. You're in love with yourself, don't care what other people
think or feel, and have the emotional maturity of a two year old.
It's no wonder you're an addict.
As long as I seem to rent so much space in your head Mark,
Don't flatter yourself Skippy. You're just another Usenet troll like the
hundreds before that have passed through this newsgroup and spewed their
drivel over the regulars. If you disappeared tomorrow, you'd be forgotten
by Spring. If that long.
And don't get confused. I write (not type, write) *very fast. The amount
of time it takes to shoot a post off to the ng is trivial. And I'm quite
often just doing so in "breaks" in the flow of whatever I happen to be
working on at the time.
You take up *nowhere near the time you seem to think. Further, you're not
even one of the *interesting trolls I'll bother to tell people about
offline for the purpose of amusing them.
I decided to
spend a little time studying Mark K. Bilbo up this morning before going
to work.
When I searched for you I see you pop up as:
"Mark K. Bilbo is a controversial figure. He uses a number of unfair
and controversial tactics (e.g. ad hominem attacks, character
assassination, name calling, personal attacks, mockery) in his dealings
with Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_2005_Mark_K._Bilbo
Reading comprehension problem also?
Fact is, that was a grudge fest. A man by the name of Jason Gastrich was
having a tantrum. Simply put, he just doesn't like me and resented that
somebody wrote an article about me but not him. It was childish.
By the way, notice I wasn't involved. I only commented toward the end that
I didn't feel I was worth the trouble and if Gastrich was going to make
such a fuss and tie up people at the Wiki over the article about me, it
should just be deleted entirely.
I also see you wee a writer at one time.
http://www.answers.com/topic/mark-k-bilbo
Answers.com swipes Wikipedia's material. The article is actually at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo
Screw "answers.com"
What happened to you Mark? You were very successful at one point in our
life. Now all you can do is measure your success by how much hate you
dish out?
First of all, dumbfuck, you have no idea what my life is or is not. Second
of all, you arrogant *****, it's very simple what happened. Apple lost the
"platform wars." The market implode in the mid-90s. Hell, Apple *almost
went under.
Now, *do tell, how was I going to make everybody buy Macintoshes instead
of Wintel machines? I can't control that. So I moved on.
Why don't you put your skills to good use
You have no idea what I'm doing now.
and write the 'Atheists
Handbook.' Write a book on peace tools for atheists Mark. No need to
spend much time on arguing for or against God, its all been done before.
But not much out there on inner peace for atheists.
I have *NO* interest in wasting my skills on your delusions.
Sitting in front of any electric tube or screen excessively is not a
good way to live our life Mark. Yes, we can spend some of our life doing
it, but if we wish to live a good life we need to get out a little.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. You
are merely projecting *YOUR* problems onto other people.
You need a shrink.
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Your "number" is meaningless.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Martin" |
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08 Jan 2007 10:46:17 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
You need a shrink.
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Your "number" is meaningless.
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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08 Jan 2007 01:28:06 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Martin" |
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08 Jan 2007 02:08:25 PM |
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Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
*****! Sorry, I didn't realise that nutter V had cross-posted all over
the frigging place. I meant it to go to a.a. of course.
Of course I'm a bona fide atheist :)
I can frame it next to my Lumber Cartel (TINLC) certificate
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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08 Jan 2007 08:38:15 PM |
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Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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09 Jan 2007 12:06:56 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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09 Jan 2007 09:33:27 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Dammit! I was trying to remember, went back and forth about five times and
ended up with the wrong one. Sorry!
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Bindlestiff" |
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10 Jan 2007 03:10:27 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
Don't time fly, when you're having fun? (:-D
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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12 Jan 2007 08:35:38 AM |
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"Bindlestiff" <the_bindlestiff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jklaq2dc65016i6vvddi63t4fcpgi22rf9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele
Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks
the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
Don't time fly, when you're having fun? (:-D
Well, this newsgroup is one of the few things keeping me
sane until I retire in April.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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10 Jan 2007 03:33:13 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
Is that all, newbie? My first post here was in 1991.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Jan 2007 10:59:27 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:33:13 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
Is that all, newbie? My first post here was in 1991.
Oh yeah? Well, *my first post was in 1988! It just didn't show up until
ten years later.
(Slow server)
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
"Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
"Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
"Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus
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09 Jan 2007 12:32:03 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:06:56 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:kmv5q2h7nttm08an73rk76kc79qrkgeeo2@4ax.com...
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list.
Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
That's 2 els in Michelle for both me and the nutcase.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
On the subject of "atheist numbers": Are you aware that February marks the
tenth
anniversary of the atheist numbers?
Holy moly! Have I been in alt.atheism for 12 years!?
I'm feeling ancient as it is.
Oh heavens, you don't look a day over 10.
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08 Jan 2007 07:32:02 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:08:25 +0000 there was an Ancient Martin
<usenet3@etiqa.co.uk> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Is there an official list? Can I have one :)
Yes and probably, if you're a bona fide atheist or agnostic. Ask
Michele Malkin (not the right-wing nutcase, the _real_ Michele Malkin).
She can give you one and add you to this list.
Followups to alt.atheism since that's where this belongs.
*****! Sorry, I didn't realise that nutter V had cross-posted all over
the frigging place. I meant it to go to a.a. of course.
Of course I'm a bona fide atheist :)
I can frame it next to my Lumber Cartel (TINLC) certificate
Fiend! We of the British Dental Association will never rest until
your foul schemes involving hardwoods are foiled!
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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08 Jan 2007 05:51:04 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
I'm only on the computer briefly today because of tendinitis but I'm going
to reply to this full frontal assault.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:58:02 -0800, V wrote:
V:
As I told you before Mark, I suffer from computer addiction as well as
many of the rest of you do. The difference is, I try accept and work
with this addiction, whereas you do not seem to Mark.
I don't HAVE "computer addiction" you *****. Stop projecting your problems
onto other people already.
The bulk of my professional life has involved computers. I have been at a
computer a great deal over the span of my professional life because that's
the field I went into.
DUH.
Do you also accuse carpenters of "hammer addiction"?
We can support
each other with help in such areas or tear down each other. I spend
some time trying to help others by participating in various forums, and
if nothing else, I help myself with right speech, right thought, right
actions and all the rest, jsut as the eightfold path of Buddhism
suggests.
What I write I also reread myself periodically to crystallize what
needs to be done to keep my peace Mark. It is also a good roadmap for
No, what you write is self-absorbed, condescending, arrogant rife, ego
masturbation. You're in love with yourself, don't care what other people
think or feel, and have the emotional maturity of a two year old.
It's no wonder you're an addict.
As long as I seem to rent so much space in your head Mark,
Don't flatter yourself Skippy. You're just another Usenet troll like the
hundreds before that have passed through this newsgroup and spewed their
drivel over the regulars. If you disappeared tomorrow, you'd be forgotten
by Spring. If that long.
And don't get confused. I write (not type, write) *very fast. The amount
of time it takes to shoot a post off to the ng is trivial. And I'm quite
often just doing so in "breaks" in the flow of whatever I happen to be
working on at the time.
You take up *nowhere near the time you seem to think. Further, you're not
even one of the *interesting trolls I'll bother to tell people about
offline for the purpose of amusing them.
I decided to
spend a little time studying Mark K. Bilbo up this morning before going
to work.
When I searched for you I see you pop up as:
"Mark K. Bilbo is a controversial figure. He uses a number of unfair
and controversial tactics (e.g. ad hominem attacks, character
assassination, name calling, personal attacks, mockery) in his dealings
with Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_2005_Mark_K._Bilbo
Reading comprehension problem also?
Fact is, that was a grudge fest. A man by the name of Jason Gastrich was
having a tantrum. Simply put, he just doesn't like me and resented that
somebody wrote an article about me but not him. It was childish.
By the way, notice I wasn't involved. I only commented toward the end that
I didn't feel I was worth the trouble and if Gastrich was going to make
such a fuss and tie up people at the Wiki over the article about me, it
should just be deleted entirely.
I also see you wee a writer at one time.
http://www.answers.com/topic/mark-k-bilbo
Answers.com swipes Wikipedia's material. The article is actually at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo
Screw "answers.com"
What happened to you Mark? You were very successful at one point in our
life. Now all you can do is measure your success by how much hate you
dish out?
First of all, dumbfuck, you have no idea what my life is or is not. Second
of all, you arrogant *****, it's very simple what happened. Apple lost the
"platform wars." The market implode in the mid-90s. Hell, Apple *almost
went under.
Now, *do tell, how was I going to make everybody buy Macintoshes instead
of Wintel machines? I can't control that. So I moved on.
Why don't you put your skills to good use
You have no idea what I'm doing now.
and write the 'Atheists
Handbook.' Write a book on peace tools for atheists Mark. No need to
spend much time on arguing for or against God, its all been done before.
But not much out there on inner peace for atheists.
I have *NO* interest in wasting my skills on your delusions.
Sitting in front of any electric tube or screen excessively is not a
good way to live our life Mark. Yes, we can spend some of our life doing
it, but if we wish to live a good life we need to get out a little.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. You
are merely projecting *YOUR* problems onto other people.
You need a shrink.
AA#2
That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put it in
your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official list. Period.
Your "number" is meaningless.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
- Thomas Jefferson
Hi and thank you for your post Mark. I appreciate you taking the time
to offer a detailed reply, especially since your arm is bothering you.
I do not have much time, but will do the best I can to address some of
your points Mark.
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"I don't HAVE "computer addiction" you *****. Stop projecting your proble
onto other people already. The bulk of my professional life has
involved computers. I have been at a computer a great deal over the
span of my professional life because that's the field I went into. DUH"
V:
You don't have to rationalize and justify yourself to me my friend.
Whether you spend 1 hour a day or 23 hours a day on the computer does
not affect me. Sure I answer your posts, but it is my choice as to what
I respond to and not yours. So the bulk of your computer times affects
you and not me. If you are not a computer addict, then maybe another
member is and what I offer may hep them. If I am mistaken, then it
helps refresh my own program sharing about this topic.
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"Do you also accuse carpenters of "hammer addiction"?"
V:
No, my friend, I do not. I accuse no one of anyhting. But if the
carpenter is hurting from their job, I will comment on the problem.
When carpenters get old, they many times take up less strenuous jobs if
their health fades. Other times they stick it out to the end, it all
depends on their nature. If I am glad you are starting to listen to
the 'God of Peace' and the 'God of Nature.' You may be headed for a
different career in computers that typing all day. Have you ever
thought about being a teacher in that field? In any case, 'God of
Peace' and the 'God of Nature' will have the final say on this - not me
or you.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"Apple lost the "platform wars." The market implode in the mid-90s.
Hell, Apple *almost went under. Now, *do tell, how was I going to make
everybody buy Macintoshes instead of Wintel machines? I can't control
that. So I moved on."
V:
Moving on to bigger and better things huh? Working to destroy other's
peace is not much to brag about Mark. But you can change if you wish
to. Putting our complaints down on pen and paper first crystallizes in
our heads what needs to be changed or accepted in our lives. Getting it
all out and putting it all down is the first start of this recognition
process that leads us to recovery. Without this recognition, that we
are sick or something is wrong in our lives, we cannot develop the
desire for change. We don't even know what is wrong to change! Writing
your complaints down is the first start to making the roadmap for
restructuring your life. Restructuring our lives is very important if
we want to get peace from our addictions. Those things that cannot be
restructured need to be accepted. Either way we can find peace -- by
change or acceptance. When you write, it uses a different part of the
brain that mere speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from
writing as compared to just talking. Writing helps crystallize your
thoughts, it shares recovery with other addicts and they can know they
are not alone.
Just remember what the Buddhists say in the eightfold path above with
right actions. We have to use the right thoughts, the right actions and
take the right direction with recovery. Just spinning our wheels in the
wrong direction does little for recovery, so write about things that
matter to you and your recovery. Some people use the list for jokes and
other off topic subjects. While it is important to laugh once in while
it still boils down to what my father used to tell me about living life
"you only get out what you put in."
What I would do with your letter is to print it out and distill what
needs to me changed in your lives. There is no better roadmap for
change than this. Whatever we write or talk about that is eating at us
needs to be changed or accepted. You have put in your inventory and
thinking time to write our what is eating at you. Great simple living
work! Now, all we have to do is finish the work we started.
Pages 88 to 89 of the 12 and 12 of AA underscores how important
inventory work is to recovery work:
"When a drunk has a terrific hangover because he drank heavily
yesterday, he cannot live well today. But there is another kind of
hangover which we all experience whether we are drinking or not. That
is the emotional hangover, the direct result of yesterday's and
sometimes today's excesses of negative emotion-anger, fear, jealousy,
and the like, If we would live serenely today and tomorrow, we
certainly need to eliminate these hangovers. This doesn't mean we need
to wander morbidly around in the past. It requires an admission and
correction of errors now. Our inventory enables us to settle with the
past. When this is done, we are really able to leave it behind us. When
our inventory is carefully taken, and we have made peace with
ourselves, the conviction follows that tomorrow's challenges can be met
as they come."
When I first came to online recovery I saw how most people wrote about
what needed to be changed, but then seemed to stop and not do much to
change things. Years later some of these people are still in the same
boat complaining about the same things. If they cannot change the
problem then they must learn to accept it, these are the two roads to
peace with a problem. They can gratefully accept it for maximum
serenity or begrudgingly accept it as a start, but accept it they must
one way or another if they ever want any peace. All we have to do is to
look close at our writing and we will see what needs to be done in our
recovery lives.
Now, some things will never be changed and the best we can do is
lighten our load or work on accepting them. If we can see some light at
the end of a tunnel, sometimes acceptance becomes easier if we know
that a certain problems is for a short time only and can see future
improvement in our lives. Be pointed in the direction of removing
stress and problems in your life at every turn. If you make this your
foremost purpose in life you will be successful at reducing your stress
load. Remember, you are not recovering until you start refusing. Refuse
your old ways that have been tearing you down all these years. When the
individual has such conscious thoughts towards the cultivation of
change, so that whatever action they are engaged in - it is always
evaluated from that orientation - then they can find great success with
improving one's life from applying this single pointed dedication to
change and their practice and life become as one. but writing to tear
down others will do little for you Mark. Actually it works against you
100% as you are proof of...it destroys your life Mark.
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"No, what you write is self-absorbed, condescending, arrogant rife, ego
masturbation. You're in love with yourself, don't care what other
people think or feel, and have the emotional maturity of a two year
old."
V:
I am sorry - I cannot help you with this matter Mark. The issues you
mention stem from your own personal prejudices. All problems are
created in the mind. These are just such issues that bother you but do
not bother me and you have to come to peace with them for yourself. I
am already at peace. May I be so bold to suggest you search your own
mind for the answer, instead of seeking peace in changing others into a
carbon copy of yourself? With the same material one man builds a palace
and another only builds a hovel and I've built my palace already and it
is your turn to build your own, but I cannot do it for you. You don't
have to rationalize and justify yourself to me...just be true to
yourself Mark. If i did not care about you I would just send in
profanities like many others do, instead of sending you tools to find
peace.
The formula for success is: Authentic Nature + Right Actions = Peace
The formula for failure is: Authentic Nature + Wrong Actions =
Destruction
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