Religions > Atheism > Look to Jesus as the Taoist scholars look to Lao Tzu...a myth...but a myth containing much wisdom. (revised)
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"V" |
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29 Jun 2007 04:15:55 PM |
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Look to Jesus as the Taoist scholars look to Lao Tzu...a myth...but a myth containing much wisdom. (revised) |
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
After all no one that ever wrote about Jesus ever met Jesus and it is
ALL heresy.
Look to Jesus as the Taoist scholars look to Lao Tzu...a myth...but a
myth containing much wisdom.
When I quote Jesus I try to attribute such quotes to' the Myth of
Jesus.'
I think if Christians Worldview was:
We have no proof,
We are 100% faith based, but that is how we like it.
Our religion is all man made from the trinity to the NT,
We offer peace and charity to all mankind.
And have no desire to control or hurt another
..=2E.atheists could be at peace with that. (most of em anyway.)
When you write, 'We know from the Word of God.'
From one of the multitude of bulk mailings from 'Who'
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.agnosticism/browse_frm/thread/333efbd234=
6d0eee/#
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man 'Who.'
And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur'an, Book of Mormons,
Torah...they must all be true because 'they say' they are true.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
Instead of sending in bulk quotes from the bible, why don't your write
your own posts on practical application of spiritual thought and make
it useful and universal in nature to all of humanity and not tailored
to one religion?
Now, please don't feel like I am trying to control you. For you are
free to keep on keeping on. I only mention this to you in the hopes of
you getting more bang for the spiritual buck so to speak.
I use many tools fro the various spiritual traditions of the world
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
But, I do not use them to browbeat others with. I let people
be...unless it is self defense.
The problem arises when the theist or religious practicioner starts to
kill in the name of God or Allah or Yahweh...then humanity has a real
problem.
Even atheists are subject to such sickness:
See:
http://www.churcharson.com/act_now/
As soon as you say the Christianity is the only way, you are sunk,
since Christianity was founded in lies from the start.
Don't believe me, study it up for yourself 'Who.'
Sure, Christianity has some peace truths in it, but it is not the
TRUTH en toto.
The stuff you bulk mail is useless for this reason.
If a Muslim sent a Christian such dogmatic mumbo jumbo as you sent
out, it would be meaningless to the Christian.
If a Mormon sent the Muslim such garbage it would also be meaningless
the Muslim.
And if a Christian sent the atheists your bulk bible quotes, as you
have done, it would be meaningless to the atheists.
Even within the Chrisitian faith there are many sects that do not
believe as the others do. Look at the Greek Orthodox compared to the
Catholics?
It is all man-made anyway, so just accept it and be at peace with it.
I am not telling you do give up your faith or to become an atheist.
Just be careful when you try to control others with dogma, since the
foundation of your control vehicle is based mostly on lies.
Use your head and try to be honest to see the truth 'Who,'
Just spouting scriptures with no practical application or basis for
the truth is useless for all.
After all the Mormons book is the word of God, the Jews Torah is the
word of God, the Qur=B7'an is the word of God and the NT is the word fop
of God--yet all words of God conflict and all words of God are
imperfect as imperfect can be.
May I be so bold to suggest that you all drop the pretense and lies
that you have been grasping onto for entire life and rebuild your life
through a foundation of truth and testing and regenerate yourselves
into a truth based agnostic freethinker?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D470.0
It may take time, but you will be successful at finding truth if you
try.
My own journey leaving monotheism was a long one.
I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic.
It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca
massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the
Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday.
Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.
A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the
apostles or men that even knew Jesus.
Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to
study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was
nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best
spin on Jesus.
I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking
about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or
just nonsense.
Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for
some time until the next crack showed up at my door.
I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and
the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never
Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.
Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed
biblical study.
Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of
religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the
foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious
hype and did not know the facts.
Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This
did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not
change.
Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that
gave me more insight by exposing the lies.
I talked with some Christian members at the forums.
Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued
that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick
us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.
Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most
knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT
the creation story which he viewed as myth.
Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the
bible...where does it end?
I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories.
All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to
answer them.
I sated listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darti=
cle&sid=3D190&mode=3Dthread%22(der=3D0&thold=3D0
http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3
As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could
see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with
the ego's of men.
That was my day on enlightenment...now it is your turn my friend.
And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic
foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life,
sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth
based Agnostic Freethinker.
I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources. If
the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I
make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take
'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for
faith evaporates.)
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Look to Jesus as the Taoist scholars look to Lao Tzu...amyth...but a myth containing much wisdom. (revised) |
29 Jun 2007 06:10:05 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:15:55 -0700, V wrote:
We<SMACK>
Bad troll!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Look to Jesus as the Taoist scholars look to Lao Tzu...a myth...buta myth containing much wisdom. (revised) |
29 Jun 2007 06:59:01 PM |
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V wrote:
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
===>Why not?
He was just a character in a number of "Gospel" fiction stories, in
which the authors liberally put words in his mouth, as all fiction
writers are likely to do with their characters. ;-) -- L.
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