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01 Feb 2006 01:26:42 PM |
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Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body? If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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01 Feb 2006 06:10:33 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body? If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
I really think this misses the point. We as a society have to come to a
conclusion on when human life becomes worthy of protection. The vast
majority of us would agree that killing a one year old is criminal. The
problem is that we, as a society, have not come to a firm conclusion on
whether a fetus is worthy of protection and at what point in the pregnancy
this occurs.
To simply argue that it is a woman's body and she can do whatever she
wants with it is really missing the argument entirely.
I am uncertain about my own views on this. I find the practice of late
term abortions offensive, under most circumstances, but I am certain that
the morning after pill isn't morally proscribed. Everything in between is
rather gray. I think others will probably have settle this one. It isn't
a fight that I'm that interested in.
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03 Feb 2006 02:05:47 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:10:33 -0600, Ken <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body? If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
I really think this misses the point.
No, that is the point.
We as a society have to come to a
conclusion on when human life becomes worthy of protection. The vast
majority of us would agree that killing a one year old is criminal. The
problem is that we, as a society, have not come to a firm conclusion on
whether a fetus is worthy of protection and at what point in the pregnancy
this occurs.
What 'society' says is irrelevant and immaterial as the only person who
has all the facts and can make a proper determination is the lady
herself.
To simply argue that it is a woman's body and she can do whatever she
wants with it is really missing the argument entirely.
The woman either has self-ownership or she is a slave. Pick one.
I am uncertain about my own views on this.
Your views, my views, don't matter. The only view that matters is the
lady's.
I find the practice of late
term abortions offensive, under most circumstances, but I am certain that
the morning after pill isn't morally proscribed. Everything in between is
rather gray. I think others will probably have settle this one. It isn't
a fight that I'm that interested in.
The 'coathanger' in a back alley settled things before.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
01 Feb 2006 04:28:34 PM |
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In article <fl22u19pqmhf97bd0sv2lbl07pok90f8m0@4ax.com>, erikc
<firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body? If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
Women ought to be the sole proprietors of their own bodies. After all,
our bodies are the most important piece of property we own, and without
them, it's rather hard to enjoy any other property. To say a woman can
own a house, a car, or a cat but not her own body is not only
ridiculous, it is utterly barbaric. Freedom as a concept is meaningless
if it doesn't involve the ability to control your own destiny, right up
to where it infringes on the rights of others. To say that you will
only do with your body what we say you can do, no matter what the
consequences, is completely anathema to liberty.
Most of this anti-abortion ***** isn't about a respect for life,
because let's face it, most of these clowns don't give a ***** about
human life between the womb and the tomb, or anybody's freedoms save
those of the ruling class. It's really all about control, and keeping
both men and women in an oppressed and beleaguered state by limiting
their choices.
Sean C
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01 Feb 2006 04:49:48 PM |
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It's a bad idea to talk about ownership of bodies or people. Our bodies
are not property, like a house or a car, our bodies are part of
ourselves - the things that *do* the owning. Better to talk about
control. How much control should a woman have over her body? How much
control should a man have, for that matter?
"It's really all about control, and keeping both men and women in an
oppressed and beleaguered state by limiting their choices."
Definitely. And they won't stop with abortion. That's just the easy
first target. Once they've outlawed abortion (and they probably will,
the way things are going), the fanatics will move on to the pill, tubal
ligation, vasectomies, etc.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Feb 2006 09:02:16 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2006 14:49:48 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1138834188.758373.266630@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
It's a bad idea to talk about ownership of bodies or people. Our bodies
are not property, like a house or a car, our bodies are part of
ourselves - the things that *do* the owning. Better to talk about
control. How much control should a woman have over her body? How much
control should a man have, for that matter?
"It's really all about control, and keeping both men and women in an
oppressed and beleaguered state by limiting their choices."
Definitely. And they won't stop with abortion. That's just the easy
first target. Once they've outlawed abortion (and they probably will,
the way things are going), the fanatics will move on to the pill, tubal
ligation, vasectomies, etc.
From a purely numerical standpoint, the gut bacteria "own" the body
they inhabit as a walking robot to keep them alive and reproducing.
They are, by a long way, the most numerous independent entities inside
the bag of skin we call a human being.
Gut Bacteria own a woman's body.
Or a man's body, for that matter.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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02 Feb 2006 08:33:00 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net>
wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body? If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
We all gave our bodies up when whichever governnment we are subject to
enacted prohibitionist policies. We are deprived of the soveriegnty of
our very selves, yet Bush loves to tell us how free we are. If an
individual does not own their body and is not able to make decisions
regarding purely self directed acts, then they are not free, in any
sense of the word. I don't know if a fetus constitutes "self".
Usually, anything not regarded as "self" is rejected by the immune
system, but a fetus is not rejected, so it would seem to be "self"
until it is, at birth. I don't think any of us individually has the
right to govern what other individuals do to themselves, nor can we
collectively grant that power to the government.
W\/W
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
03 Feb 2006 01:52:13 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
The state.
If it is someone
other than the woman herself, then what is the justification?
We said so. Might makes Reich.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Feb 2006 06:04:15 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill" |
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02 Feb 2006 06:32:02 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ie75u1h6tf9p5taavoojbcg9dupak5ovkn@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one
essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her
womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
Get your head out of your gods *****. A zygot and embryo are part and parcel a
part of and dependent on the womans body!
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "wildbluskies" |
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08 Feb 2006 10:28:38 AM |
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Bill wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one
essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her
womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
Get your head out of your gods *****. A zygot and embryo are part and parcel a
part of and dependent on the womans body!
and a "woman" is part of GODs creation, therefore is GODS property,
certainly not yours.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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11 Feb 2006 03:51:49 AM |
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On 8 Feb 2006 08:28:38 -0800, "wildbluskies"
<wildbluskies@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one
essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her
womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
Get your head out of your gods *****. A zygot and embryo are part and parcel a
part of and dependent on the womans body!
and a "woman" is part of GODs creation, therefore is GODS property,
certainly not yours.
Even if the above was true, you do not speak for god; and your beliefs
concerning what god wants or doesn't want are your beliefs nothing
more.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "duke" |
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04 Feb 2006 01:10:14 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:32:02 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Get your head out of your gods *****. A zygot and embryo are part and parcel a
part of and dependent on the womans body!
No they are not. She had a free egg which was fertilized by a free sperm.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Khubla" |
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04 Feb 2006 01:32:41 PM |
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Duke, neither you nor your Pope has the right to dictate to a woman, or
anyone else what she or he can do with their body. Until the Catholic
church agrees to adopt and care for all unwanted births then neither they or
you have a legitimate say on the matter.
Khubla
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:32:02 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Get your head out of your gods *****. A zygot and embryo are part and parcel
a
part of and dependent on the womans body!
No they are not. She had a free egg which was fertilized by a free sperm.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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05 Feb 2006 12:50:19 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:32:41 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
Duke, neither you nor your Pope has the right to dictate to a woman, or
anyone else what she or he can do with their body.
Fine, let her do to her own body as she sees fit, but don't harm the unborn
infant because it is NOT her body.
And neither I nor the Pope is telling her anything other than a warning. God
will take care of her. And she will receive her due reward for butchering
another human life for her comfort and convenience.
Until the Catholic
church agrees to adopt and care for all unwanted births then neither they or
you have a legitimate say on the matter.
Khubla
All babies not wanted are given up for adoption now. May God have mercy on her
soul in due consideration for her actions and love for other human beings. An
abortionist is well noted.
I'm not the one that burns in hell for all eternity for her actions.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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03 Feb 2006 05:23:50 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:04:15 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
And has no right to keep it therefore?
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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04 Feb 2006 01:11:11 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:23:50 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:04:15 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
And has no right to keep it therefore?
She put it there. She is the life support system.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Feb 2006 10:09:03 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:04:15 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net> wrote:
With all the furore over abortion rights and related matters, one essential
question goes begging: Who /really/ owns a woman's body?
A woman owns it. But she doesn't own the new other life growing in her womb
that she was so instrumental in procreating.
I would venture to say she has the controlling interest in it,
certainly superior to anything you would have to say about it.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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04 Feb 2006 01:10:44 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:09:03 GMT, (William
Wingstedt) wrote:
I would venture to say she has the controlling interest in it,
certainly superior to anything you would have to say about it.
The new life growing in her is not part of her body.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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04 Feb 2006 11:16:54 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:10:44 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:09:03 GMT, (William
Wingstedt) wrote:
I would venture to say she has the controlling interest in it,
certainly superior to anything you would have to say about it.
The new life growing in her is not part of her body.
It's connected, there is interchange and the immune system allows it
as if it were self.
W\/W
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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05 Feb 2006 12:50:54 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 05:16:54 GMT, (William
Wingstedt) wrote:
It's connected, there is interchange and the immune system allows it
as if it were self.
It's connected, but not one and the same.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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05 Feb 2006 01:52:01 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:r0v9u11884fqil5s0bqa4ejqmt37i0f0ck@4ax.com:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:09:03 GMT, (William
Wingstedt) wrote:
I would venture to say she has the controlling interest in it,
certainly superior to anything you would have to say about it.
The new life growing in her is not part of her body.
Her body supplies everything to build that new life, you fucking moron. It
grows within her, it's attached to her.
In ANY case, the mother has the rights to her own body before anyone else
gets a say, ***** fer brains.
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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05 Feb 2006 12:51:34 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:52:01 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
Her body supplies everything to build that new life, you fucking moron. It
grows within her, it's attached to her.
But not her body.
In ANY case, the mother has the rights to her own body before anyone else
gets a say, ***** fer brains.
God has the final say so.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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05 Feb 2006 03:09:37 PM |
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If it is not part of her body, then it is a parasite sucking life giving
nutrients from her and she has the right to have it removed like any
parasite. She cannot be forced to let something feed off her if she doesn't
want to.
truth
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:52:01 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com>
wrote:
Her body supplies everything to build that new life, you fucking moron.
It
grows within her, it's attached to her.
But not her body.
In ANY case, the mother has the rights to her own body before anyone else
gets a say, ***** fer brains.
God has the final say so.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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05 Feb 2006 04:54:11 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:09:37 GMT, "Paul" <paulsaccount@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
If it is not part of her body, then it is a parasite sucking life giving
nutrients from her and she has the right to have it removed like any
parasite. She cannot be forced to let something feed off her if she doesn't
want to.
It would be a parasite if it attached itself unwillingly. In this case, she is
the self-assigned life support system for the new life.
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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05 Feb 2006 08:55:07 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:09:37 GMT, "Paul" <paulsaccount@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
If it is not part of her body, then it is a parasite sucking life giving
nutrients from her and she has the right to have it removed like any
parasite. She cannot be forced to let something feed off her if she doesn't
want to.
It would be a parasite if it attached itself unwillingly. In this case, she
is the self-assigned life support system for the new life.
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
Not if she doesn't agree to it being there. No matter what you believe,
consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to pregnancy. It's her choice, and
will never be yours. That's the reality you avoid.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 6, Houston 5 (February 4)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, February 7 vs. Milwaukee, 11:05 am
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07 Feb 2006 06:06:17 AM |
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On 05 Feb 2006 20:55:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
Not if she doesn't agree to it being there. No matter what you believe,
consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to pregnancy. It's her choice, and
will never be yours. That's the reality you avoid.
The reality that you avoid is that she is a life support system by design for
the first 9 months of the baby's life.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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07 Feb 2006 06:48:43 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:06:17 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in news
message <n73hu1hs7eko86gbuoc6dji76tkvksl34g@4ax.com> wrote:
On 05 Feb 2006 20:55:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
Not if she doesn't agree to it being there. No matter what you believe,
consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to pregnancy. It's her choice, and
will never be yours. That's the reality you avoid.
The reality that you avoid is that she is a life support system by design for
the first 9 months of the baby's life.
Life support can legally be withdrawn.
Liz #658 BAAWA
They all agree on what their god wants. Each theist will tell you
that what the only true god wants, and what he, himself, wants, are
exactly the same. -- Al Klein
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| Title: Re: Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
07 Feb 2006 05:19:10 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:48:43 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:06:17 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in news
message <n73hu1hs7eko86gbuoc6dji76tkvksl34g@4ax.com> wrote:
On 05 Feb 2006 20:55:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
Not if she doesn't agree to it being there. No matter what you believe,
consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to pregnancy. It's her choice, and
will never be yours. That's the reality you avoid.
The reality that you avoid is that she is a life support system by design for
the first 9 months of the baby's life.
Life support can legally be withdrawn.
When the money runs out, signed by Shrub himself.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
08 Feb 2006 02:44:25 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 05 Feb 2006 20:55:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
It didn't force itself on her, it is her design function.
Not if she doesn't agree to it being there. No matter what you believe,
consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to pregnancy. It's her choice,
and will never be yours. That's the reality you avoid.
The reality that you avoid is that she is a life support system by design for
the first 9 months of the baby's life.
....if she chooses to go through with the pregnancy, of course. That's the
detail you refuse to deal with.
Do your neighbors in Baton Rouge a big favor and move - to the Ninth Ward.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Milwaukee 2 (February 7)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 10 at Manchester, 6:35
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for answers: "WHO OWNS A WOMAN'S BODY?" |
05 Feb 2006 08:53:43 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:52:01 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
Her body supplies everything to build that new life, you fucking moron. It
grows within her, it's attached to her.
But not her body.
You got one right, even if it's dependent on her body for at least the next
six months or so. (Even the blind hog occasionally finds an acorn.)
In ANY case, the mother has the rights to her own body before anyone else
gets a say, ***** fer brains.
God has the final say so.
The woman - who exists, as opposed to your alleged deity - gets to say so.
Unless you contributed to putting the fetus in her, you don't have any say.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 6, Houston 5 (February 4)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, February 7 vs. Milwaukee, 11:05 am
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