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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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15 Oct 2007 10:39:23 AM |
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Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans circular firing squad is now assembled. All
thats left is for someone President Bush, House Minority Leader
John Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.)
to yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
So what advice would this Republican give his partys Members of
Congress? "If I were in a swing district, Id vote to override.
Theres no way Id take a bullet on this. But if I were in a good
Republican district, Id vote to sustain the veto."
Those comments are not atypical of what many Republicans are
saying.
One Republican Member of Congress I spoke with was just as
explicit. "Its stupid politics. The leadership is putting pressure on
Members [to sustain the veto], promising to rebuild the brand. I dont
know why our guys are following [Bush] into the sea like lemmings."
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Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Oct 2007 11:47:24 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:06:39 -0700, 3828 Dead
<zepp22113828@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:01:56 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:14:27 GMT, 3820 Dead <zeppp@finestplanet.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:07:03 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Where is there substandard care in the US?? Can't seem to find any reports
where children are being turned away from hospitals.
Not from ERs, certainly.
I'm sure you're delighted to pay $1,500 to treat a child who could
have seen a doctor for $80 if the parents had been able to swing it.
You're asking a neocon to do ARITHMETIC?
Nah.
I just like to mock them.
Take on a real challenge. Like pouring water out of a boot.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
- Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 11-28-2004
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2007 10:49:02 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:07:03 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:34:18 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is no issue to kill any program. And there's no crisis to expand it
by 50%.
Unless you're one of the kids who don't have access to adequate
medical care.
Drowning isn't an issue to someone lost in the desert, but that's not
a good reason to remove lifeboats from passenger ships.
Where is there substandard care in the US?? Can't seem to find any reports
where children are being turned away from hospitals.
Hospitals don't provide well-care, they only take sick patients.
Children deserve enough care to keep them from GETTING sick.
The government's PRIMARY job is protecting its citizens. That
includes providing them with sufficient medical care.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
15 Oct 2007 04:27:22 PM |
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On Oct 15, 3:07 pm, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:58k7h39b4qja9ugvd67sq9ijollgd7785g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:34:18 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is no issue to kill any program. And there's no crisis to expand it
by 50%.
Unless you're one of the kids who don't have access to adequate
medical care.
Drowning isn't an issue to someone lost in the desert, but that's not
a good reason to remove lifeboats from passenger ships.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
Where is there substandard care in the US?? Can't seem to find any reports
where children are being turned away from hospitals.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What, you think getting care the most expensive and ineffetient way
possible is free? Perhaps you think it's paid for by fairies.
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| User: "3820 Dead" |
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15 Oct 2007 11:50:56 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:53:48 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:rd27h3hajss6s8qk6q17gko6je9el7ejdl@4ax.com...
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans' circular firing squad is now assembled. All
that's left is for someone - President Bush, House Minority Leader
John Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -
to yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
The SCHIP expansion Atheist Pelosi proposes hurts the poor. It actually
gives a medical subsidy to families outside the "poverty" range. The SCHIP
expansion entices families with insurance to switch over to the government
program. Once there, they'll always be a ward of the state.
200% of the poverty level is hardly outside the poverty range; the
government has been pressing the official number down for years to
hide the extent of damage Republicans have done to the American
people.
Suggestion...if you breed, raise your own kids.
Suggestion: blow it out your *****, you nazi pig.
We don't need to create another level of dependence on the government.
When are you going to tell the government to stop enforcing contracts?
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 01:09:48 PM |
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"3820 Dead" <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:53:48 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:rd27h3hajss6s8qk6q17gko6je9el7ejdl@4ax.com...
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans' circular firing squad is now assembled. All
that's left is for someone - President Bush, House Minority Leader
John Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -
to yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
The SCHIP expansion Atheist Pelosi proposes hurts the poor. It actually
gives a medical subsidy to families outside the "poverty" range. The
SCHIP
expansion entices families with insurance to switch over to the government
program. Once there, they'll always be a ward of the state.
200% of the poverty level is hardly outside the poverty range; the
government has been pressing the official number down for years to
hide the extent of damage Republicans have done to the American
people.
Democrats have controlled congress for 41 of the last 50 years. Since it
takes years to feel changes made by congress, I would guess that you're
lying. Remember the homeless problems of the 80's that suddenly went away
the day Clinton took office? How funny is that for quick action...as
opposed to media hype.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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15 Oct 2007 01:03:43 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Democrats have controlled congress for 41 of the last 50 years.
This explains everything.... you're just a fucking idiot !
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2007 03:53:37 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:03:43 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Democrats have controlled congress for 41 of the last 50 years.
This explains everything.... you're just a fucking idiot !
Well, no, he just added subtracted 24 from 50 and got 41.
Oh, that would make him an idiot, wouldn't it? Or just a typical
neocon liar.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
- Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 05:28:43 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:03:43 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Democrats have controlled congress for 41 of the last 50 years.
This explains everything.... you're just a fucking idiot !
Well, no, he just added subtracted 24 from 50 and got 41.
Oh, that would make him an idiot, wouldn't it? Or just a typical
neocon liar.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to
claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
- Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
The Republican Revolution is what the Republican Party dubbed their success
in the 1994 U.S. midterm elections, which resulted in a net gain of 54 seats
in the House of Representatives, and a pickup of eight seats in the Senate.
The day after the election, Democratic Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama
changed parties, becoming a Republican.
The gains in seats in the mid-term election resulted in the Republicans
gaining control of both the House and the Senate in January 1995.
Republicans had not held the majority in the House for forty years, since
the 83rd Congress (elected in 1952) under Republican Speaker Joseph William
Martin, Jr..
Talk about a liar......try google before you spew *****.....idiot liberal
fuckhead
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2007 11:04:16 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:28:43 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cgk7h39gtga5kg2dihrfgdla1in4iogg5p@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:03:43 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Democrats have controlled congress for 41 of the last 50 years.
This explains everything.... you're just a fucking idiot !
Well, no, he just added subtracted 24 from 50 and got 41.
Oh, that would make him an idiot, wouldn't it? Or just a typical
neocon liar.
The Republican Revolution is what the Republican Party dubbed their success
in the 1994 U.S. midterm elections, which resulted in a net gain of 54 seats
in the House of Representatives, and a pickup of eight seats in the Senate.
I'll do the math for you, since it seems that you're not capable of
such higher mathematical manipulation.
Fifty years ago was 1957, not 1994.
Talk about a liar......try google before you spew *****.....idiot liberal
fuckhead
Try subtracting 50 from 2007 before you try that trick with people
older than your mental age of three, little boy.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers,
and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
- Luke 14:26
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15 Oct 2007 02:50:17 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:53:48 -0600, Doorman wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:rd27h3hajss6s8qk6q17gko6je9el7ejdl@4ax.com...
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans' circular firing squad is now assembled. All
that's left is for someone - President Bush, House Minority Leader John
Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) - to
yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
The SCHIP expansion Atheist Pelosi proposes hurts the poor. It actually
gives a medical subsidy to families outside the "poverty" range. The
SCHIP expansion entices families with insurance to switch over to the
government program. Once there, they'll always be a ward of the state.
Yeah, like Medicare part D, pushed by Bush and passed by the GOP Congress?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“There is always an easy solution to every
problem - neat, plausible, and wrong.”
- H. L. Mencken
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15 Oct 2007 10:58:04 AM |
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On Oct 15, 11:53 am, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in messagenews:rd27h3hajss6s8qk6q17gko6je9el7ejdl@4ax.com...
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans' circular firing squad is now assembled. All
that's left is for someone - President Bush, House Minority Leader
John Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -
to yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
The SCHIP expansion Atheist Pelosi proposes hurts the poor. It actually
gives a medical subsidy to families outside the "poverty" range. The SCHIP
expansion entices families with insurance to switch over to the government
program. Once there, they'll always be a ward of the state.
The party which thinks such fiscal insanity as no-bid contracts to
Halliburton and prohibiting Medicare from negotiating with drug
companies for lower prices goes positively apoplectic over the notion
that ensuring poor children just might result in the occasional child
who does not have impoverished parents getting government aid.
Horrors!
If only that hypothetical middle-class child was a corporation ...
then the GOP would be falling all over itself to give him whatever he
wanted ...
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 12:18:07 PM |
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"Collideascope" <collideascope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192463884.742241.132790@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 15, 11:53 am, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
messagenews:rd27h3hajss6s8qk6q17gko6je9el7ejdl@4ax.com...
http://rollcall.com/issues/53_41/rothenberg/20409-1.html
The Republicans' circular firing squad is now assembled. All
that's left is for someone - President Bush, House Minority Leader
John Boehner (Ohio) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -
to yell the appropriate command: "Fire!"...
The SCHIP expansion Atheist Pelosi proposes hurts the poor. It actually
gives a medical subsidy to families outside the "poverty" range. The
SCHIP
expansion entices families with insurance to switch over to the
government
program. Once there, they'll always be a ward of the state.
The party which thinks such fiscal insanity as no-bid contracts to
Halliburton and prohibiting Medicare from negotiating with drug
companies for lower prices goes positively apoplectic over the notion
that ensuring poor children just might result in the occasional child
who does not have impoverished parents getting government aid.
Halliburton was a billion dollar business long before Bush even thought
about running for President. Halliburton had as many or more no-bid
contracts during the Clinton years. They are a specialized company that
expands it's capabilities in accordance to what the government needs. You
are angry Gore lost his own state in the election.
Price controls (forcing free market producers to accept a standard price)
has never worked to lower prices. 1) Gas price controls in the 70's created
rationed gas allotment, and long lines. It also put thousands of small to
medium size oil exploration companies out of business. 2) Hillarycare (low
price vaccines for children) price controls put all but 2 manufacturers out
of business in the early 90's. The flu scare in 2001 showed the results as
we needed to go to France to get enough flu faccines. The price controls
left the US vulernable to a flu outbreak. Way to go Hillary. The free
market is the only factor that actually reduces prices. How much did a DVD
recorder/player cost 10 years ago? You can get one for $30 now.
The expansion of the program to entice families currently getting insurance
through other means is just another way to create dependence.
You are a socialist lemming that should just lie down and accept your
monthly government pension until you die a metal death.
Horrors!
If only that hypothetical middle-class child was a corporation ...
then the GOP would be falling all over itself to give him whatever he
wanted ...
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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15 Oct 2007 01:02:15 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in...
Halliburton was a billion dollar business long before Bush even thought
about running for President.
What does that have to to with the price of health care?
It was also a nice, rich company, before ***** Cheney became it's CEO
after leaving politics... and then went back into politics with intimate
knowledge of peak oil and global consumption.
Halliburton had as many or more no-bid
contracts during the Clinton years.
Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack.....
1) Gas price controls in the 70's created
rationed gas allotment, and long lines.
It also created price stability and saved middle class America from Bankruptcy.
It also put thousands of small to
medium size oil exploration companies out of business.
*****. The majors either absorbed or directed the failures of small oil.
Besides, you haven't shown any proof of this, and it's sooo faaaar off the
topic, it doesn't matter a hill of beans.
2) Hillarycare (low price vaccines for children) price controls put all but 2
manufacturers out of business in the early 90's.
Leaving who.... Nike and Raebok? What an idiot.
The expansion of the program to entice families currently getting insurance
through other means is just another way to create dependence.
There should be no 'dependence' issue... there should be free health care.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 02:13:28 PM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in...
Halliburton was a billion dollar business long before Bush even thought
about running for President.
What does that have to to with the price of health care?
It was also a nice, rich company, before ***** Cheney became it's CEO
after leaving politics... and then went back into politics with intimate
knowledge of peak oil and global consumption.
Halliburton had as many or more no-bid
contracts during the Clinton years.
Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Quack, Quack, Quack,
Quack.....
1) Gas price controls in the 70's created
rationed gas allotment, and long lines.
It also created price stability and saved middle class America from
Bankruptcy.
It also put thousands of small to
medium size oil exploration companies out of business.
*****. The majors either absorbed or directed the failures of small
oil.
Besides, you haven't shown any proof of this, and it's sooo faaaar off the
topic, it doesn't matter a hill of beans.
2) Hillarycare (low price vaccines for children) price controls put all
but 2
manufacturers out of business in the early 90's.
Leaving who.... Nike and Raebok? What an idiot.
The expansion of the program to entice families currently getting
insurance
through other means is just another way to create dependence.
There should be no 'dependence' issue... there should be free health care.
The single dumbest statement made on this newsgroup. There's no such thing
as "free healthcare". Why don't you just rob your neighbor, what's theirs
should be yours anyway, right?
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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15 Oct 2007 01:29:36 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible point.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 02:36:39 PM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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15 Oct 2007 01:52:21 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:nqOQi.3900$K7.1839@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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15 Oct 2007 04:00:12 PM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible
point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program
would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one? I think it's because the government is nowhere near
the development or distribution. Take government completely out of
healthcare, and it's costs would plummet. Does the government have a $600
toilet, or does Lowes? How much is your return on investment in social
security? Did you get 5% on your investment? 10%?
Galveston Texas city workers opted out of social security in the 80's. They
invested in a retirement plan and now retirees are getting fat checks many
times what SS recipients are getting for the same investment. Take
government out of the equation, and it takes less money to do more. In all
cases. Everyday. All day long. Name one program, entitlement, investment,
scheme, agency, fund, contract, that the government handled better than the
private sector....just name one. (Hint...have never received an answer from
a liberal on this question).
In the years following the largest tax cuts, charitable contributions always
go up. Always. It's not the tax deduction that people feel the need to
give, and charity needs to be voluntary, not forced. You stick a gun to my
head, and the contribution is called something totally different.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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15 Oct 2007 10:19:12 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one?
WTF are you talking about NOW ?!!?
This has something to do with insurance companies and medical care ???
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 Oct 2007 11:50:02 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:19:12 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one?
WTF are you talking about NOW ?!!?
This has something to do with insurance companies and medical care ???
I think he's trying to make the rather far fetched analogy that if one
thing went down in price after a period of time, then everything else
should too and the only reason it doesn't is because supposedly the
government is preventing it for some reason.
Not exactly good at analogies, is he?
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
16 Oct 2007 01:47:05 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message...
"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one?
WTF are you talking about NOW ?!!?
This has something to do with insurance companies and medical care ???
I think he's trying to make the rather far fetched analogy that if one
thing went down in price after a period of time, then everything else
should too and the only reason it doesn't is because supposedly the
government is preventing it for some reason.
Not exactly good at analogies, is he?
Does a dog typically use the toilet?
Doorjam made my 'bozo-bin' a bit earlier; brick walls don't share much wisdom.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
16 Oct 2007 05:27:02 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2007 23:50:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:19:12 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one?
WTF are you talking about NOW ?!!?
This has something to do with insurance companies and medical care ???
I think he's trying to make the rather far fetched analogy that if one
thing went down in price after a period of time, then everything else
should too and the only reason it doesn't is because supposedly the
government is preventing it for some reason.
Not exactly good at analogies, is he?
Or economics.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
He is one of those orators of whom it was well said, 'Before they get up,
they do not know what they are going to say; when they are speaking they
do not know what they are saying; and when they have sat down they do not
know what they have said.'
- Winston Churchill
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
16 Oct 2007 05:24:40 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:00:12 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one?
1) The lower the price, the MORE people can afford one (or more).
2) The larger the scale of integration, the cheaper the product. As
technology goes on, the scale of integration increases. (Some
products that used to consist of dozens, or hundreds, of components,
now consist of a single AS integrated circuit.)
3) The older a product gets, the cheaper its manufacture gets. (Even
neglecting the fact that R&D has been paid back, so it's no longer a
cost factor.)
I think it's because the government is nowhere near the development or distribution.
Not ours, the Chinese government is completely involved in the DVD
players we buy, though.
Take government completely out of healthcare, and it's costs would plummet.
So why does it cost so much for veterinary care (that the government
has nothing to do with)?
How much is your return on investment in social
security? Did you get 5% on your investment? 10%?
What's your real return on the stock market since January 2001? (Do
you even know the difference between 'return' and 'real return'?)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, _A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion_, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
15 Oct 2007 03:19:13 PM |
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On Oct 15, 2:00 pm, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in messagenews:FFOQi.722$H92.260@trnddc07...
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible
point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program
would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one? I think it's because the government is nowhere near
the development or distribution. Take government completely out of
healthcare, and it's costs would plummet. Does the government have a $600
toilet, or does Lowes? How much is your return on investment in social
security? Did you get 5% on your investment? 10%?
Galveston Texas city workers opted out of social security in the 80's. They
invested in a retirement plan and now retirees are getting fat checks many
times what SS recipients are getting for the same investment. Take
government out of the equation, and it takes less money to do more. In all
cases. Everyday. All day long. Name one program, entitlement, investment,
scheme, agency, fund, contract, that the government handled better than the
private sector....just name one. (Hint...have never received an answer from
a liberal on this question).
In the years following the largest tax cuts, charitable contributions always
go up. Always. It's not the tax deduction that people feel the need to
give, and charity needs to be voluntary, not forced. You stick a gun to my
head, and the contribution is called something totally different.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, one. If a DVD is made wrong, it doesn't kill people.
Two, there's no governemnt entitlement to veternary costs, but it's
price has sky rocketed too.
Technical advances in medicine increase it's cost because it's
lifesaving to put in all advances, no matter how expensive. The same
is not true for entertainment devices.
That you have a problem seeing those issues is indicative of your lack
of ability to analyze or your honesty in doing so. Don't quit your
day job.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
15 Oct 2007 04:44:58 PM |
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"Kate" <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 15, 2:00 pm, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in
messagenews:FFOQi.722$H92.260@trnddc07...
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:nqOQi.3900$K7.1839@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible
point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program
would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by
insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
How come after ten years, DVD players have gone way down in price, yet
everybody's got one? I think it's because the government is nowhere near
the development or distribution. Take government completely out of
healthcare, and it's costs would plummet. Does the government have a
$600
toilet, or does Lowes? How much is your return on investment in social
security? Did you get 5% on your investment? 10%?
Galveston Texas city workers opted out of social security in the 80's.
They
invested in a retirement plan and now retirees are getting fat checks
many
times what SS recipients are getting for the same investment. Take
government out of the equation, and it takes less money to do more. In
all
cases. Everyday. All day long. Name one program, entitlement,
investment,
scheme, agency, fund, contract, that the government handled better than
the
private sector....just name one. (Hint...have never received an answer
from
a liberal on this question).
In the years following the largest tax cuts, charitable contributions
always
go up. Always. It's not the tax deduction that people feel the need to
give, and charity needs to be voluntary, not forced. You stick a gun to
my
head, and the contribution is called something totally different.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, one. If a DVD is made wrong, it doesn't kill people.
Two, there's no governemnt entitlement to veternary costs, but it's
price has sky rocketed too.
Technical advances in medicine increase it's cost because it's
lifesaving to put in all advances, no matter how expensive. The same
is not true for entertainment devices.
That you have a problem seeing those issues is indicative of your lack
of ability to analyze or your honesty in doing so. Don't quit your
day job.
So you say increases are justified and therefore must be paid to support the
industry. That is my point.
How will giving the government your money, then having them distribute it to
the medical industry, cut the costs? They don't pass on more than the $1
you'd give them, not even close.
Ways government can control or lower costs
1) rationing care
2) limiting development
3) social behavior modification
4) reducing private sector involvement
5) lower standards
I see your point. Great debate.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
16 Oct 2007 05:26:22 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:44:58 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
How will giving the government your money, then having them distribute it to
the medical industry, cut the costs? They don't pass on more than the $1
you'd give them, not even close.
Ways government can control or lower costs
1) rationing care
2) limiting development
3) social behavior modification
4) reducing private sector involvement
5) lower standards
You left out
6) Diffusion of wealth
since it's concentration of wealth that increases prices.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the
law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who
interferes in the course of events - provided, of course, that he
takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously."
- Albert Einstein in the New York Times Magazine (November 9, 1930)
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| User: "3820 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: Loser Republicans Lose Another Fight Over SCHIP |
15 Oct 2007 02:53:48 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:52:21 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:nqOQi.3900$K7.1839@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
news:kkOQi.2293$et1.54@trnddc02...
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
Oh, Doorknob doesn't mind vast sums of tax money going to
corporations. Notice he hasn't uttered a peep about Medicare Plan B.
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| User: "Doorman" |
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| Title: 3820 dead, yeah, 3820 is brain dead, an idiot, and is against sending child molestors to jail, wonder why? |
15 Oct 2007 04:29:31 PM |
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"3820 Dead" <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:52:21 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:nqOQi.3900$K7.1839@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
news:kkOQi.2293$et1.54@trnddc02...
"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in
Free healthcare...what an idiot.
Some things are beyond the comprehension of the Nazi bootlickers,
but not beyond the twisting of meaning to defend and indefensible
point.
The only crisis that could justify a 50% increase in this one program
would
be that the democrats want to be reelected.
Like I said... Mommie and Daddy must have you well covered by insurance,
the *real* cause of the rising expense of health care in the US.
Oh, Doorknob doesn't mind vast sums of tax money going to
corporations. Notice he hasn't uttered a peep about Medicare Plan B.
All the things I've been accused of liking or disliking even though I've
never given you or anybody my opinion. This is case 1.
There you go again. I don't like corporate welfare. How come you have to
lie about me instead of coming up with a reasonable debate?
Why is McDonalds getting a corporate sponsorship to distribute burgers in
China? I don't know, ask your buddies in congress...oh the ones along time
ago. You see, back in the 80's, when the democrats ran congress, they
developed this thing called foreign investment assistance. It's a subsidy
for large corporations. Do I like it? You obviously haven't read a thing
I've posted about smaller government and dropping wasteful programs. REDUCE
SPENDING.
I know you have to lie, cheat, and steal to get your point across..I know
it....be fair to others though.
Sure glad I save most of these posts.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: 3820 dead, yeah, 3820 is brain dead, an idiot, and is against sending child molestors to jail, wonder why? |
15 Oct 2007 10:17:34 PM |
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"Doorman" <astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in...
Why is McDonalds getting a corporate sponsorship to distribute burgers in
China?
Are you just nuts or what? McDonalds in China is NOT an American
corporation.... it's a CHINESE corporation.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 3820 dead, yeah, 3820 is brain dead, an idiot, and is against sending child molestors to jail, wonder why? |
15 Oct 2007 03:52:47 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:29:31 -0600, "Doorman"
<astroinc_NOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You see, back in the 80's, when the democrats ran congress, they
developed this thing called foreign investment assistance.
IOW selling our products instead of buying theirs?
How fucking capitalist........
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