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Religions > Atheism |
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"Budikka666" |
| Date: |
09 Oct 2005 05:10:52 PM |
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"Macroevolution" (Keep Running Pastor Dave) - Example 544 |
I'd like to personally thank Pastor Dave for the idea for this example,
because without his abysmal ignorance, I might never have dreamed it
up!
Here's something Disaster Dave lied about recently:
The only genetics evidence that they offered, which was
that chimps are 98% identical in code to humans. I
showed them that while they try to pretend that it's
almost exact, it's really 96%
Pastor Dave pretends he understands science, claims he's widely read on
the topic, and even claims he has some books on the subject! Wowee!
He also claims he can discuss it. He's a liar. He has never discussed
even one of these examples with me despite his assertion in his
macroevolution thread that he would.
I specified in my example #1 (http://tinyurl.com/dxqjc) that it was
**96%** genetic match overall (the exact figure Pastor Dave lies that
evolutionists do not use) in a genomic comparison between humans and
chimpanzees. I'd be tickled to death if any creationist could
scientifically explain that from the special creation perspective, but
this shows what an incompetent liar Pastor Dave is. **He never even
read what I wrote yet felt he could dismiss it**!
The 98% figure is also true. It applies when you compare genes which
specify proteins, as opposed to the entire genome (including junk DNA,
most of which does nothing). Clearly Disaster Dave doesn't understand
this distinction, yet he arrogantly feels fully qualified to dismiss
the topic. Go figure.
What this distinction means, unfortunately for Disaster Dave is that
when we take into account junk DNA, most of which codes for nothing and
is just the detritus of evolution, there is *more* difference than when
we look only at genes that code for the proteins which build and
maintain our bodies.
and that the 4% means thousands
upon thousands of differences,
4% of the genome in this case is only 120,000,000 base pairs, and as I
just pointed out, this is irrelevant because it is largely junk. The
difference in working genes is only 1%-2%.
Since we have ~25,000 genes, this percentage is at most 500 genes out
of 25,000. That means something akin to chimpanzees having ~250 genes
we do not have and us having ~250 they do not. We diverged from
chimpanzees some 5 - 7 millon years ago according to the best available
evidence so far, which means that in (say) 5 million years (to give
Pastor Dave his best shot), we (each species) had to acquire or change
250 genes. This works out to be one new gene every 20,000 years - a
gene that was duplicated and then changed, or simply changed.
What is there to prevent that? Please give your scientific answer,
Pastor dave, and let's discuss it. Science has already shown it can
happen and that it does happen, therefore it is up to you, Pastor Dave
to show why it did not in the specific case of humans, chimpanzees, and
the putative ancestor. Science doesn't know of anything that could
prevent it. Does creation science? I await Pastor Dave's evidence. I
won't hold my breath.
Scientists have found genes that have changed in many genomes. There
are many mechanisms which can do this and which do actually do this
(humans and chimpanzees exhibit this, for example, in our blood
grouping and my example #543 - http://tinyurl.com/aeyfm - addressed a
case like this). Anyone who cares to scientifically demonstrate such a
mechanism would become more famous than Darwin and fabulously wealthy.
Any takers?
Budikka
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: "Macroevolution" (Keep Running Pastor Dave) - Example 544 |
10 Oct 2005 07:59:08 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
I'd like to personally thank Pastor Dave for the idea for this example,
because without his abysmal ignorance, I might never have dreamed it
up!
Here's something Disaster Dave lied about recently:
The only genetics evidence that they offered, which was
that chimps are 98% identical in code to humans. I
showed them that while they try to pretend that it's
almost exact, it's really 96%
Pastor Dave pretends he understands science, claims he's widely read on
the topic, and even claims he has some books on the subject!
===>It appears he may have read literature produced by
the school of "Intelligent design" a.k.a. "creation science".
That's all. -- L.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: "Macroevolution" (Keep Running Pastor Dave) - Example 544 |
11 Oct 2005 04:42:06 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
I'd like to personally thank Pastor Dave for the idea for this example,
because without his abysmal ignorance, I might never have dreamed it
up!
Here's something Disaster Dave lied about recently:
The only genetics evidence that they offered, which was
that chimps are 98% identical in code to humans. I
showed them that while they try to pretend that it's
almost exact, it's really 96%
Pastor Dave pretends he understands science, claims he's widely read on
the topic, and even claims he has some books on the subject!
===>It appears he may have read literature produced by
the school of "Intelligent design" a.k.a. "creation science".
That's all. -- L.
Awww! Don't take that away from him - he'll have nothing left! His
assertion (once again unsupported, unfortunately) that he may have once
read a science book is all he had going for him!
B.
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