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Madonna Could be Sent into Space in 2009 - Russian Space Agency
RIA Novosti (Russia) ^ | 13/ 09/ 2006
Posted on 09/13/2006 10:02:30 PM PDT by anymouse
The Russian Space Agency has no objections to Madonna's plans for a
space flight, but the American pop diva could make a space trip no
earlier than 2009, the agency's spokesperson said Wednesday.
Alexei Mitrofanov, a flamboyant lawmaker from the ultra-nationalist
LDPR party, earlier proposed that Madonna's desire to make the trip,
which she expressed during her two-day visit to Russia, be fulfilled -
a proposal that met with rejection by Russian lawmakers.
"We are aware of today's debates in the State Duma [the lower house of
the Russian parliament] as to the proposed flight by Madonna to the
International Space Station," Igor Panin said.
"Although a precise schedule for the flights of the so-called 'space
tourists' has been approved until the end of 2008, Madonna's request
will not meet any objections, and her representatives can approach us
even now," he said, adding that the pop star's physical fitness and
finances guarantee that her space dreams might come true as early as
2009.
Madonna's world tour, which continues next week in Japan, has drawn
widespread criticism from religious groups for its depiction of a mock
crucifixion. In Moscow, Russian nationalists vowed to disrupt her
concert, while in Germany the authorities briefly considered an
investigation under the country's religious blasphemy laws.
Tuesday's Moscow performance at the Luzhniki stadium, which was guarded
by up to 7,000 police, passed off without any serious problems.
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28 Sep 2006 04:10:47 AM |
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<nothing worth repeating>
Can we take up a collection for NASA to leave her at the International
Space Station or jettison her from an air lock?
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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
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28 Sep 2006 12:02:37 PM |
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"Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in message
news:dL-dnfvgZpw4DIbYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com wrote:
<nothing worth repeating>
Can we take up a collection for NASA to leave her at the International
Space Station or jettison her from an air lock?
I'd donate to that! The world would be a better place with that talentless
drone out of it.
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Rhino
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28 Sep 2006 07:10:34 PM |
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Rhino wrote:
"Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in message
news:dL-dnfvgZpw4DIbYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com wrote:
<nothing worth repeating>
Can we take up a collection for NASA to leave her at the International
Space Station or jettison her from an air lock?
I'd donate to that! The world would be a better place with that talentless
drone out of it.
--
Rhino
(shrug) The money she has to even consider space flight, suggests
that at least a few people disagree with you...
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Frank
You know what to remove to reply...
Check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/stardolphin1/link2.htm
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the
human spirit."
- Stephen Hawking
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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28 Sep 2006 01:05:15 PM |
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Ubiquitous wrote:
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com wrote:
<nothing worth repeating>
Can we take up a collection for NASA to leave her at the International
Space Station or jettison her from an air lock?
The best part is how she pisses off you right wingers.
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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Yeah despite the sabotage by the left WRT war Bush is succeeding with
his war for profit for his buddies...right!
Doesn't it bug you that this adminstration has been using the troops as
low paid mercenaries for their gain?
Eric
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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29 Sep 2006 02:13:41 AM |
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"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
:Doesn't it bug you that this adminstration has been using the troops as
:low paid mercenaries for their gain?
No, Eric. What bugs honest people is when folks make up questions
that presuppose a lie.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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29 Sep 2006 12:22:35 PM |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
:Doesn't it bug you that this adminstration has been using the troops as
:low paid mercenaries for their gain?
No, Eric. What bugs honest people is when folks make up questions
that presuppose a lie.
The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
invade Iraq. And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
Who is benefitting from this war, Fred?
Eric
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"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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29 Sep 2006 01:25:12 PM |
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"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1159550555.681036.264080@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
:Doesn't it bug you that this adminstration has been using the troops
as
:low paid mercenaries for their gain?
No, Eric. What bugs honest people is when folks make up questions
that presuppose a lie.
The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
invade Iraq. And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
Who is benefitting from this war, Fred?
I wouldn't exactly call the diplomatic efforts with North Korea and
Iran, "nothing". Useless wastes of oxygen, OK. But not nothing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Some days the impatience with Iraq just seems artificial — as though
the real argument is about something else entirely." - Dinocrat
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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29 Sep 2006 10:24:45 PM |
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"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
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:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> "Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
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:> :Doesn't it bug you that this adminstration has been using the troops as
:> :low paid mercenaries for their gain?
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:> No, Eric. What bugs honest people is when folks make up questions
:> that presuppose a lie.
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:The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
:invade Iraq.
Eric apparently hasn't managed to achieve consciousness yet, having
missed all the events leading up to the Iraq invasion.
:And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
:out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
Well, this is 25% right. That's actually pretty good for Eric. Let's
score it out, shall we?
1) Iran is going out of their way stating that they are making WMD.
False. Iran, in point of fact, absolutely denies they have such a
weapons program.
2) We are doing nothing about Iran's weapon program.
False.
3) North Korea is going out of their way stating they are making WMD.
Hey, he got one right! Just goes to show that even a stopped clock or
an Eric Chomko is right once in a while.
4) We're doing nothing about North Korea's weapon program.
False. It was too good to be true that he'd get more than one thing
right.
:Who is benefitting from this war, Fred?
Pretty much everyone but Saddam Hussein, Eric.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Howard Brazee" |
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30 Sep 2006 07:26:40 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:24:45 GMT, Fred J. McCall
<fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:
:Who is benefitting from this war, Fred?
Pretty much everyone but Saddam Hussein, Eric.
But bin Laden more than anybody else.
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30 Sep 2006 12:35:53 PM |
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Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
:On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:24:45 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:<fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:
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:>:Who is benefitting from this war, Fred?
:>
:>Pretty much everyone but Saddam Hussein, Eric.
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:But bin Laden more than anybody else.
It appears that what bin Laden has received is more in the line of a
'death benefit'. This is what happens when you're elderly, sick, and
have to run and hide all the time....
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Obveeus" |
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29 Sep 2006 12:46:38 PM |
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"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
invade Iraq. And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
I saw on the news last night that 'we' are now making clear claims that Iran
is supporting the 'terrorists' in Iraq. Therefore, in the war on terror,
Iran must be the next country on the disassembly line.
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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29 Sep 2006 12:52:15 PM |
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Obveeus wrote:
"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
invade Iraq. And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
I saw on the news last night that 'we' are now making clear claims that Iran
is supporting the 'terrorists' in Iraq. Therefore, in the war on terror,
Iran must be the next country on the disassembly line.
Will Bush have the guts to invade? Do we have the troops to do it? You
make it sound automatic that invading Iran will be some sort of
victory.
We can't even get peace in Iraq after we toppled Saddam, how do you
expect ivading Iran will be a better solution.
Eric
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| User: "Obveeus" |
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29 Sep 2006 01:53:00 PM |
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"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
Obveeus wrote:
"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@verizon.net> wrote:
The only lie was claiming that Saddam Hussein had WMD as the reason to
invade Iraq. And to make matters worse is that Iran and North Korea go
out of their way stating that they are making WMD and we do nothing.
I saw on the news last night that 'we' are now making clear claims that
Iran
is supporting the 'terrorists' in Iraq. Therefore, in the war on terror,
Iran must be the next country on the disassembly line.
Will Bush have the guts to invade?
Iran isn't designed for invasion...they actually have troops and weapons
that haven't been isolated from the outside world for a decade. An attack
on Iran would involve bombing from offshore and air.
Do we have the troops to do it?
Navy and Airforce...not nearly as busy in Iraq as the Army.
You make it sound automatic that invading Iran will be some sort of
victory.
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out. The goal with
Iran wouldn't be to control them...just to disable their ability to export
'evil' and produce massive amounts of weapons. What needs to be done in
Iran is what the first President Bush did to Iraq. Squish them, then rope
off the area and let it rot. That worked just fine until the current Bush
made the mistake of thinking that something more needed to be done.
We can't even get peace in Iraq after we toppled Saddam, how do you
expect ivading Iran will be a better solution.
You really don't know which side you are arguing with, do you? Maybe go
back and read the post you replied to and try not to think of it as a
pro-bush rant.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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14 Oct 2006 10:40:34 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:53:00 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Obveeus" <Obveeus@aol.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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14 Oct 2006 10:47:34 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:40:34 GMT, in alt.atheism
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote in
<454704b0.404146982@news.giganews.com>:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:53:00 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Obveeus" <Obveeus@aol.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
Right, that's why Bush had "Mission Accomplished" on that ship. Everyone
knows we conquered Iraq and overthrew Saddam. That was the easy part.
The problem is that the idiots running the war: Bush, Cheney and
Rumsfeld, made no effort to plan for the occupation. That is why we are
still losing hundreds of troops in Iraq.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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14 Oct 2006 12:08:54 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:47:34 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:40:34 GMT, in alt.atheism
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote in
<454704b0.404146982@news.giganews.com>:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:53:00 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Obveeus" <Obveeus@aol.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
Right, that's why Bush had "Mission Accomplished" on that ship.
Yes, because the mission of that ship, to provide air support for the
overthrow of Saddam, had been accomplished.
But continue on with your ignorant strawmen.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, made no effort to plan for the occupation.
That is why we are still losing hundreds of troops in Iraq.
We lost comparable numbers of troops in any one of several single
battles in WW II to those we've lost in Iraq to date, after over three
years. For example, we lost over six thousand in the Normandy
invasion alone, with fifteen hundred dead.
No one ever said that the war against Jihad would be a short one. If
you think they did, you weren't paying attention.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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14 Oct 2006 01:57:01 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:08:54 GMT, in alt.atheism
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote in
<45481851.409171988@news.giganews.com>:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:47:34 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:40:34 GMT, in alt.atheism
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote in
<454704b0.404146982@news.giganews.com>:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:53:00 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"Obveeus" <Obveeus@aol.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
Right, that's why Bush had "Mission Accomplished" on that ship.
Yes, because the mission of that ship, to provide air support for the
overthrow of Saddam, had been accomplished.
Yes, it had, but at no time what that implied during Bush's speech.
But continue on with your ignorant strawmen.
So you claim. I'm sure its comforting to ignore all evidence that the
White House was responsible for that sign and intended exactly the
meaning that people drew from it -- the war was essentially done, our
troops would be coming home soon.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, made no effort to plan for the occupation.
That is why we are still losing hundreds of troops in Iraq.
We lost comparable numbers of troops in any one of several single
battles in WW II to those we've lost in Iraq to date, after over three
years. For example, we lost over six thousand in the Normandy
invasion alone, with fifteen hundred dead.
How many troops did we lose after Germany or Japan surrendered? We are
losing these troops during the occupation.
No one ever said that the war against Jihad would be a short one. If
you think they did, you weren't paying attention.
As you know, Iraq had nothing at all to do with the war against Jihad.
Saddam was anti-Jihadist. If we cared about Jihad we would have sided
with Saddam, as we had during the Reagan years.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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14 Oct 2006 02:29:23 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:57:01 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
Right, that's why Bush had "Mission Accomplished" on that ship.
Yes, because the mission of that ship, to provide air support for the
overthrow of Saddam, had been accomplished.
Yes, it had, but at no time what that implied during Bush's speech.
Nor did his speech imply that the war was over, or that we were
victorious in any sense other than that Saddam had been removed, and
that major combat operations were over.
But continue on with your ignorant strawmen.
So you claim. I'm sure its comforting to ignore all evidence that the
White House was responsible for that sign
What evidence is that?
and intended exactly the
meaning that people drew from it -- the war was essentially done, our
troops would be coming home soon.
What evidence is that?
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, made no effort to plan for the occupation.
That is why we are still losing hundreds of troops in Iraq.
We lost comparable numbers of troops in any one of several single
battles in WW II to those we've lost in Iraq to date, after over three
years. For example, we lost over six thousand in the Normandy
invasion alone, with fifteen hundred dead.
How many troops did we lose after Germany or Japan surrendered? We are
losing these troops during the occupation.
That's because we never actually defeated Iraq in the same way we did
Germany and Japan. We simply removed a tyrant.
No one ever said that the war against Jihad would be a short one. If
you think they did, you weren't paying attention.
As you know, Iraq had nothing at all to do with the war against Jihad.
No, I don't know that.
Saddam was anti-Jihadist. If we cared about Jihad we would have sided
with Saddam, as we had during the Reagan years.
You haven't been paying much attention, apparently.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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14 Oct 2006 02:33:19 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:29:23 GMT, in alt.atheism
simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote in
<454f39d7.417754328@news.giganews.com>:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:57:01 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
'We' will bomb them back into the stone age. Who implied victory? Nut
cases declared victory in Iraq and look how that turned out.
No, nut cases declare that we declared victory in Iraq when we never
did. (Hint: "End to major combat operations" != "Victory")
Right, that's why Bush had "Mission Accomplished" on that ship.
Yes, because the mission of that ship, to provide air support for the
overthrow of Saddam, had been accomplished.
Yes, it had, but at no time what that implied during Bush's speech.
Nor did his speech imply that the war was over, or that we were
victorious in any sense other than that Saddam had been removed, and
that major combat operations were over.
But continue on with your ignorant strawmen.
So you claim. I'm sure its comforting to ignore all evidence that the
White House was responsible for that sign
What evidence is that?
and intended exactly the
meaning that people drew from it -- the war was essentially done, our
troops would be coming home soon.
What evidence is that?
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, made no effort to plan for the occupation.
That is why we are still losing hundreds of troops in Iraq.
We lost comparable numbers of troops in any one of several single
battles in WW II to those we've lost in Iraq to date, after over three
years. For example, we lost over six thousand in the Normandy
invasion alone, with fifteen hundred dead.
How many troops did we lose after Germany or Japan surrendered? We are
losing these troops during the occupation.
That's because we never actually defeated Iraq in the same way we did
Germany and Japan. We simply removed a tyrant.
Oh *****. The conquest of Iraq was exactly like the conquest of
Germany. The difference is that Bush was a total idiot after the
conquest of Iraq and has caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and
Americans because he refused to plan for the occupation.
Now, we are still running an occupation and are resented ever more while
we provide cover for those who want to start a civil war in Iraq.
No one ever said that the war against Jihad would be a short one. If
you think they did, you weren't paying attention.
As you know, Iraq had nothing at all to do with the war against Jihad.
No, I don't know that.
Saddam was anti-Jihadist. If we cared about Jihad we would have sided
with Saddam, as we had during the Reagan years.
You haven't been paying much attention, apparently.
There are more news outlets than Wing Nut Daily.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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14 Oct 2006 02:58:08 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:33:19 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
How many troops did we lose after Germany or Japan surrendered? We are
losing these troops during the occupation.
That's because we never actually defeated Iraq in the same way we did
Germany and Japan. We simply removed a tyrant.
Oh *****. The conquest of Iraq was exactly like the conquest of
Germany.
Yes. Right. Exactly like it.
<rolling eyes at level of historical ignorance being displayed>
Germany had been at war for almost six years. Its cities had been
bombed to rubble. It had lost several million troops, and many
civilians. At the end, it was reduced to putting poorly-made guns in
the hands of untrained teenagers, as young as fourteen or fifteen. It
was out of ammunition. When the Americans marched in, it was in a
state of utter defeat.
Even if there were a serious resistance movement (the Werwolf did in
fact attack some of the allies, but mostly the Russians, who had
treated, and continued to treat the German people much more brutally),
it had little in the way of resources to work with. There was no one
on the borders to supply it with arms or troops. It was done.
Japan was in a similar state (aided by the fact that once the Emperor
surrendered, that was that as far as the Japanese people were
concerned).
Iraq, by contrast, suffered very little damage in the removal of
Saddam, and the army wasn't defeated, but simply dissipated, and what
remained of it was disbanded (this was indeed one of the mistakes that
the administration made, in retrospect). So it had large numbers of
able-bodied men with which to wage an insurgency. It had and has
large stores of ammunition, including high explosives. It also
received, and continues to receive, foreign support, from Syria, Iran,
and Saudi Arabia, in the form of both troops and funds.
The difference is that Bush was a total idiot after the
conquest of Iraq and has caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and
Americans because he refused to plan for the occupation.
No, there was a plan. It may not have been a great one, but Roosevelt
had no plan for the occupation of Germany, either. It took a couple
years for Marshall to come up with one.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
14 Oct 2006 03:17:09 PM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:45503f09.419083710@news.giganews.com...
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:33:19 -0500, in a place far, far away, Free
Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:
The difference is that Bush was a total idiot after the
conquest of Iraq and has caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and
Americans because he refused to plan for the occupation.
No, there was a plan. It may not have been a great one, but Roosevelt
had no plan for the occupation of Germany, either. It took a couple
years for Marshall to come up with one.
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
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| User: "Jordan" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 01:28:40 PM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated). We really didn't think through just how
_bad_ a people who had lived under a tyranny for decades and had NO
history of democratic self-government would be at running their own
country.
Hey, Mike, surprised that I agreed with you on this one?
- Jordan
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 08:54:13 PM |
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"Jordan" <JSBassior2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160936920.744596.167870@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion. They were leaks of course, since the actual plans were never made
public, but the time-frame discussed was a 60-90 day occupation. (My guess
is that that was the time before beginning to withdraw, not before the last
American left, but I don't recall that much detail.)
We really didn't think through just how
_bad_ a people who had lived under a tyranny for decades and had NO
history of democratic self-government would be at running their own
country.
What shocks me is that the level of Shiite-Sunni-Kurdish violence was so
badly underestimated. Yugoslavia was a perfect object lesson, and it was
ignored.
Hey, Mike, surprised that I agreed with you on this one?
Pleasantly so :-)
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 09:14:14 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:54:13 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
"Jordan" <JSBassior2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160936920.744596.167870@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion.
Well, *there's* a credible source.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 09:35:56 PM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:456aeade.528609029@news.giganews.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:54:13 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
"Jordan" <JSBassior2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160936920.744596.167870@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion.
Well, *there's* a credible source.
You mean, the magazine so left-wing that it was the first and most dogged
pusher of the Monica Lewinsky story?
It's hilarious the way you people sneer at any medium that isn't a
right-wing rag.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 09:49:55 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:35:56 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion.
Well, *there's* a credible source.
You mean, the magazine so left-wing that it was the first and most dogged
pusher of the Monica Lewinsky story?
No.
It's hilarious the way you people sneer at any medium that isn't a
right-wing rag.
And it's equally hilarious that you suck up any story at "News"week.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 10:34:59 PM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:456bf303.530694528@news.giganews.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:35:56 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
Mike Schilling wrote:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and
if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion.
Well, *there's* a credible source.
You mean, the magazine so left-wing that it was the first and most dogged
pusher of the Monica Lewinsky story?
No.
Then which Newsweek are you thinking of? (Hint: google Michael Isikoff.)
It's hilarious the way you people sneer at any medium that isn't a
right-wing rag.
And it's equally hilarious that you suck up any story at "News"week.
More fact-deprived idiot sneering.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 10:45:48 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:34:59 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
The plan was "Hand the keys over to Chalabi, be out in 90 days, and
if
you
don't think that'll work, you're fired."
Sadly, Mike Schilling is _mostly_ right (though I think the "90 days"
part is grossly exaggerated).
It's based on reports I read at Newsweek about the time of the initial
invasion.
Well, *there's* a credible source.
You mean, the magazine so left-wing that it was the first and most dogged
pusher of the Monica Lewinsky story?
No.
Then which Newsweek are you thinking of? (Hint: google Michael Isikoff.)
It's the same Newsweek. The one that sells stories on what it thinks
will get the highest readership, regardless of facts.
It's hilarious the way you people sneer at any medium that isn't a
right-wing rag.
And it's equally hilarious that you suck up any story at "News"week.
More fact-deprived idiot sneering.
More ignoring the point.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
15 Oct 2006 11:18:12 PM |
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"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:456e0025.534055941@news.giganews.com...
It's the same Newsweek. The one that sells stories on what it thinks
will get the highest readership, regardless of facts.
Absolutely. You can picture the meeting where they decided that speculation
on the plans for rebuilding Iraq would be the hot ticket that week.
Geez, you're a moron.
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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| Title: Re: Madonna Plans To Fly To Space In 2009 To Blaspheme And Mock God There |
16 Oct 2006 06:50:19 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:18:12 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:456e0025.534055941@news.giganews.com...
It's the same Newsweek. The one that sells stories on what it thinks
will get the highest readership, regardless of facts.
Absolutely. You can picture the meeting where they decided that speculation
on the plans for rebuilding Iraq would be the hot ticket that week.
Geez, you're a moron.
Physician, heal thyself.
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