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Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/2/11/13559/0530
[excerpt]
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
By Bruce Wilson Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:55:09 PM EST
topic: All Topics section:Shadow War On Mainline Churches printable
version print this story
New Talk To Action anthology:United Methodism Under Attack
John Dorhauer's new weekly series on Talk To Action may be
unprecedented : Dorhauer's series concerns an over two decade long
campaign, by the far-right wing financed Institute For Religion and
Democracy and so called "renewal" groups advocating literal
interpretations of the Bible and far right social and political views,
to destroy mainstream Protestant Christianity in America. Operating
from within mainline Protestant denominations "renewal" groups work to
sow dissension via wedge issues such as gay marriage, incite schisms,
and so break apart mainstream and liberal denominations and neutralize
them as an effective force in American politics.
Before now this campaign has seldom been discussed so publicly, and
with John Dorhauer's series we have an ongoing chronicle from the
heart of one embattled denomination, the United Churches of Christ.
There are more Christians on the left/liberal side of politics than on
the right, observed George Lakoff, but they are not organized to even
remotely the same degree as the Christian right.
Well, here's the reason for that. . .
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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10 Jun 2007 09:07:14 AM |
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wrote:
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/2/11/13559/0530
[excerpt]
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
By Bruce Wilson Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:55:09 PM EST
topic: All Topics section:Shadow War On Mainline Churches printable
version print this story
New Talk To Action anthology:United Methodism Under Attack
John Dorhauer's new weekly series on Talk To Action may be
unprecedented : Dorhauer's series concerns an over two decade long
campaign, by the far-right wing financed Institute For Religion and
Democracy and so called "renewal" groups advocating literal
interpretations of the Bible and far right social and political views,
to destroy mainstream Protestant Christianity in America. Operating
from within mainline Protestant denominations "renewal" groups work to
sow dissension via wedge issues such as gay marriage, incite schisms,
and so break apart mainstream and liberal denominations and neutralize
them as an effective force in American politics.
Sure. It's been going on for years already and has 3 main planks:
1) Support for Israel no matter what. As though Christianity is not the
New Israel.
2) Hatred of gays.
3) Anti-abortion even when not having an abortion kills the mother.
Its pretty easy to see who is funding it.
Before now this campaign has seldom been discussed so publicly, and
with John Dorhauer's series we have an ongoing chronicle from the
heart of one embattled denomination, the United Churches of Christ.
There are more Christians on the left/liberal side of politics than on
the right, observed George Lakoff, but they are not organized to even
remotely the same degree as the Christian right.
Well, here's the reason for that. . .
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Only the rich and famous can stand for Congress or White House?
The middle and working class are not permitted/admitted?
The Religious Right: A bogus vision and portrayal of Christianity.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him??
Hidden income audits for ALL politicians and political appointees.
60% of US voters don't vote Dem OR GOP.
Dems and GOP have disenfranchised 60% of US voters.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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10 Jun 2007 10:58:41 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:38:08 -0400, buckeye-elo wrote:
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/2/11/13559/0530
[excerpt]
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
By Bruce Wilson Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:55:09 PM EST
topic: All Topics section:Shadow War On Mainline Churches printable
version print this story
New Talk To Action anthology:United Methodism Under Attack
John Dorhauer's new weekly series on Talk To Action may be
unprecedented : Dorhauer's series concerns an over two decade long
campaign, by the far-right wing financed Institute For Religion and
Democracy and so called "renewal" groups advocating literal
interpretations of the Bible and far right social and political views,
to destroy mainstream Protestant Christianity in America. Operating
from within mainline Protestant denominations "renewal" groups work to
sow dissension via wedge issues such as gay marriage, incite schisms,
and so break apart mainstream and liberal denominations and neutralize
them as an effective force in American politics.
Before now this campaign has seldom been discussed so publicly, and
with John Dorhauer's series we have an ongoing chronicle from the
heart of one embattled denomination, the United Churches of Christ.
There are more Christians on the left/liberal side of politics than on
the right, observed George Lakoff, but they are not organized to even
remotely the same degree as the Christian right.
Well, here's the reason for that. . .
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
Without reading the article, is "mainstream Protestantism" the Protestants
who follow the teachings of Jesus, to be compassionate, tolerant, etc, or
are they the Biblical literalist Protestants who want to outlaw abortion,
gay marriage, etc?
--
MarkA
(pretend this is a clever sig line)
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| User: "PhaedraCeleste" |
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| Title: Re: mainstream Protestant denominations under seige |
10 Jun 2007 07:24:50 PM |
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Without reading the article, is "mainstream Protestantism" the Protestants
who follow the teachings of Jesus, to be compassionate, tolerant, etc, or
are they the Biblical literalist Protestants who want to outlaw abortion,
gay marriage, etc?
There are essentially three presbyterian denominations, the PCUSA (the
largest and most well known), The PCA "presbyterian church of
america" (a more orthodox branch), and a third branch the EPC
"evangelical presbyterian church" which seems to be growing in
congregational numbers as more churches are voting to split from the
PCUSA and affiliate with the smaller, more conservative, EPC
denomination.
Although there is certainly more than one significant difference
between the denomonations, it would seem that as of late the
congregations decision to leave the PCUSA in favor of the EPC has been
in large part due to the PCUSA's more liberal stance on gay
ordination(a recent move away from traditional doctrine) and the
blessing of same sex unions (not equated with marriage)
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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10 Jun 2007 09:33:04 PM |
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PhaedraCeleste wrote:
Without reading the article, is "mainstream Protestantism" the Protestants
who follow the teachings of Jesus, to be compassionate, tolerant, etc, or
are they the Biblical literalist Protestants who want to outlaw abortion,
gay marriage, etc?
There are essentially three presbyterian denominations, the PCUSA (the
largest and most well known), The PCA "presbyterian church of
america" (a more orthodox branch), and a third branch the EPC
"evangelical presbyterian church" which seems to be growing in
congregational numbers as more churches are voting to split from the
PCUSA and affiliate with the smaller, more conservative, EPC
denomination.
Although there is certainly more than one significant difference
between the denomonations, it would seem that as of late the
congregations decision to leave the PCUSA in favor of the EPC has been
in large part due to the PCUSA's more liberal stance on gay
ordination(a recent move away from traditional doctrine) and the
blessing of same sex unions (not equated with marriage)
The REAL reason for the attacks on the Protestant majority
has been the move toward imposing sanctions on Israel.
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Only the rich and famous can stand for Congress or White House?
The middle and working class are not permitted/admitted?
The Religious Right: A bogus vision and portrayal of Christianity.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him??
Hidden income audits for ALL politicians and political appointees.
60% of US voters don't vote Dem OR GOP.
Dems and GOP have disenfranchised 60% of US voters.
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| User: "PhaedraCeleste" |
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11 Jun 2007 08:05:38 PM |
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The REAL reason for the attacks on the Protestant majority
has been the move toward imposing sanctions on Israel.
huh??
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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11 Jun 2007 08:15:25 PM |
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PhaedraCeleste wrote:
The REAL reason for the attacks on the Protestant majority
has been the move toward imposing sanctions on Israel.
huh??
Huh? Indeed. See, it's not mentioned much here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1311571,00.html
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2005/0501054.html
http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2004/04445.htm
Its the subject of much discussion and is seen as a threat.
Thats why so many bought and paid for "televangelists"
and other "fundamentalist Christians" (who hang out in
the Old Testament more than the New) are shilling for
Israel support no matter what.
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Only the rich and famous can stand for Congress or White House?
The middle and working class are not permitted/admitted?
The Religious Right: A bogus vision and portrayal of Christianity.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him??
Hidden income audits for ALL politicians and political appointees.
60% of US voters don't vote Dem OR GOP.
Dems and GOP have disenfranchised 60% of US voters.
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| User: "PhaedraCeleste" |
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12 Jun 2007 06:03:48 PM |
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On Jun 11, 9:15 pm, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
PhaedraCeleste wrote:
The REAL reason for the attacks on the Protestant majority
has been the move toward imposing sanctions on Israel.
huh??
Huh? Indeed. See, it's not mentioned much here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1311571,00.htmlhttp://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2005/0501054.htmlhttp://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2004/04445.htm
Its the subject of much discussion and is seen as a threat.
Thats why so many bought and paid for "televangelists"
and other "fundamentalist Christians" (who hang out in
the Old Testament more than the New) are shilling for
Israel support no matter what.
I understand the point you are making however, I am still inclined to
think "old school" presbyterians are more apt to stick by their less
liberal beliefs; the more "tolerant" the PCUSA becomes the more they
will find themselves losing congregations to the more "traditional" EPC
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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10 Jun 2007 12:46:40 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:38:08 -0400, buckeye-elo wrote:
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/2/11/13559/0530
[excerpt]
Shadow War" : mainstream Protestant denominations under seige
By Bruce Wilson Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:55:09 PM EST
topic: All Topics section:Shadow War On Mainline Churches printable
version print this story
New Talk To Action anthology:United Methodism Under Attack
John Dorhauer's new weekly series on Talk To Action may be
unprecedented : Dorhauer's series concerns an over two decade long
campaign, by the far-right wing financed Institute For Religion and
Democracy and so called "renewal" groups advocating literal
interpretations of the Bible and far right social and political views,
to destroy mainstream Protestant Christianity in America. Operating
from within mainline Protestant denominations "renewal" groups work to
sow dissension via wedge issues such as gay marriage, incite schisms,
and so break apart mainstream and liberal denominations and neutralize
them as an effective force in American politics.
Before now this campaign has seldom been discussed so publicly, and
with John Dorhauer's series we have an ongoing chronicle from the
heart of one embattled denomination, the United Churches of Christ.
There are more Christians on the left/liberal side of politics than on
the right, observed George Lakoff, but they are not organized to even
remotely the same degree as the Christian right.
Well, here's the reason for that. . .
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
Without reading the article, is "mainstream Protestantism" the Protestants
who follow the teachings of Jesus, to be compassionate, tolerant, etc, or
are they the Biblical literalist Protestants who want to outlaw abortion,
gay marriage, etc?
Get your facts straight. The literalists spend more time
hanging out in the Old Testament in which "we see through
a glass darkly", hence they cannot be REAL Christians
but rather an echo of Old Testament Jews.
Secondly, there is NO assertion made by Jesus on the
subject of abortion or that the Gays should all
be driven out.
So the people you describe are not REAL Christians
even less "Protestants".
You saw REAL Christians last year when the Amish
responded to murder and tragedy in their midst.
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Only the rich and famous can stand for Congress or White House?
The middle and working class are not permitted/admitted?
The Religious Right: A bogus vision and portrayal of Christianity.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him??
Hidden income audits for ALL politicians and political appointees.
60% of US voters don't vote Dem OR GOP.
Dems and GOP have disenfranchised 60% of US voters.
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