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"quibbler" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:16:57 AM |
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Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_37892.shtml
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite obstruction
and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing jack asses such
as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
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Jan 30, 2005, 17:18
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have coaxed human
embryonic stem cells into becoming spinal motor neurons in an experiment
the might lead to treatments and cures for spinal-cord injuries and
diseases like Lou Gehrig's disease.
Spinal motor neurons relay messages sent from the brain to the rest of
the body, making them critical components of the nervous system.
The researchers reported their findings today, in the journal Nature
Biotechnology.
Transforming embryonic stem cells into motor neurons had eluded
researchers for decades, until now.
Lead researcher, Su-Chun Zhang, said, the next step will be to
transplant the newly generated neurons into a living animal.
Zhang also cautioned that it will be many years before they can be
tested in humans.
The team also said the newly generated motor neurons transmitted
electrical impulses, making them functional.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
31 Jan 2005 05:53:40 AM |
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In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_37892.shtml
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite obstruction
and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing jack asses such
as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
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Jan 30, 2005, 17:18
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have coaxed human
embryonic stem cells into becoming spinal motor neurons in an experiment
the might lead to treatments and cures for spinal-cord injuries and
diseases like Lou Gehrig's disease.
Spinal motor neurons relay messages sent from the brain to the rest of
the body, making them critical components of the nervous system.
The researchers reported their findings today, in the journal Nature
Biotechnology.
Transforming embryonic stem cells into motor neurons had eluded
researchers for decades, until now.
Lead researcher, Su-Chun Zhang, said, the next step will be to
transplant the newly generated neurons into a living animal.
Zhang also cautioned that it will be many years before they can be
tested in humans.
The team also said the newly generated motor neurons transmitted
electrical impulses, making them functional.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
31 Jan 2005 01:42:48 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
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Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
31 Jan 2005 10:52:17 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
But you'll have to admit that it's a hell of a lot harder without the funds.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
31 Jan 2005 10:52:55 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41FEB6A1.6040402@svn.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
But you'll have to admit that it's a hell of a lot harder without the
funds.
Funds are available, just not from the Feds.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
01 Feb 2005 06:02:01 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41FEB6A1.6040402@svn.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
But you'll have to admit that it's a hell of a lot harder without the
funds.
Funds are available, just not from the Feds.
Who would ordinarily be one of the biggest sources for money for basic
research. Your boys in Washington are gumming up the works for utterly
stupid reasons.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
01 Feb 2005 02:42:41 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41FF1B59.5030000@svn.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41FEB6A1.6040402@svn.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-
nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
But you'll have to admit that it's a hell of a lot harder without the
funds.
Funds are available, just not from the Feds.
Who would ordinarily be one of the biggest sources for money for basic
research. Your boys in Washington are gumming up the works for utterly
stupid reasons.
That's politics. :-(
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
01 Feb 2005 05:49:27 AM |
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In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and know-nothing
jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
01 Feb 2005 02:45:08 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and
know-nothing jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
03 Feb 2005 10:59:36 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95F0633CC6343fstone69@205.188.138.161...
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <MPG.1c6734f8ee94c36b989ba3@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/stem_cells_013005_
37892.shtm
l
Yet another victory for embryonic stem cell research despite
obstruction and propaganda campaigns from theocrats and
know-nothing jack asses such as George Bush or Mel Gibson.
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
WTF is that supposed to mean?
Federal grants are how almost all basic biological research is done. Without
it.... there isn't much. Even private foundations usually give their $$ to
labs which are supported primarily by R01 grants from the feds. Private
companies don't do much basic science (though their applied and tech.
resources are superb).
Not only that, but because of the absurd rearrangement of priorities in
Washington under the current administration, there has been some harsh
belt-tightening in non-defense areas at the NIH as well. Lots of grant
applications that score well and would have easily been funded in past years
are not getting funded now. Ask how I know this. There's nothing "easy"
about the federal grant application process, Fred, especially these days.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
01 Feb 2005 07:27:17 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "johac" |
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02 Feb 2005 05:58:29 AM |
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In article <36a3gnF4ts7rgU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
03 Feb 2005 04:52:06 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:58:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <36a3gnF4ts7rgU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
04 Feb 2005 06:21:19 AM |
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In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:58:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <36a3gnF4ts7rgU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
04 Feb 2005 10:54:03 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:58:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <36a3gnF4ts7rgU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
05 Feb 2005 07:37:38 AM |
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In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:58:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <36a3gnF4ts7rgU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-795397.21492631012005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95EF58AAA5656fstone69@205.188.138.161>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D15EB4.21534030012005@news.giganews.com:
< snip >
One thing is certain. We will never know the benefits of stem cell
research unless we are allowed to do the science.
Nobody's stopping anybody from doing the science.
Bush has made it extremely difficult.
I doubt that. He's taken away the "easy touch" of a federal grant
application.
Same thing.
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
05 Feb 2005 08:11:56 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
06 Feb 2005 07:51:09 AM |
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In article <h3aa01lc2fpkb369ludbtrm3vp2et4tr07@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
06 Feb 2005 06:29:23 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:51:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <h3aa01lc2fpkb369ludbtrm3vp2et4tr07@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
07 Feb 2005 05:50:20 AM |
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In article <kfoc01tv7vchecjh47pmlj3srv6f1vqtjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:51:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <h3aa01lc2fpkb369ludbtrm3vp2et4tr07@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in
recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded
in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
08 Feb 2005 06:55:31 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kfoc01tv7vchecjh47pmlj3srv6f1vqtjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:51:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <h3aa01lc2fpkb369ludbtrm3vp2et4tr07@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in
recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is funded
in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
09 Feb 2005 06:02:46 AM |
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In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kfoc01tv7vchecjh47pmlj3srv6f1vqtjq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:51:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <h3aa01lc2fpkb369ludbtrm3vp2et4tr07@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:37:38 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <u6v701pg9vj07osr7fmgekkggkd6o2id2m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:21:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <leb301hvn58vigas0qltdq2dn1nvbu30qe@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Fred forgets that many of the greatest science breakthroughs in
recent
years happened at universities and research institutes which
depend
heavily on government grants. Also many small businesses apply
for
government grants to carry out risky, but nevertheless important
research projects. Part of the work that I am doing now is
funded
in
part by a NSF small business research grant.
Hmmm....NSF=non sufficient funding...
Tell me about it! Or the infamous remark attached to a grant
proposal:
"Approved, but not funded." I've seen a few of those.
I don't doubt that.
I remember 20-30 yrs ago that grant administrators would write to the
company and tell us that there was extra money in the department and
if
we had any good ideas for a research proposal, we should submit them.
Alas, times have changed.
And not for the better.
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
09 Feb 2005 04:00:32 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
10 Feb 2005 06:50:59 AM |
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In article <prck01pv9i0gf422s3u3bcn2cajp6geiuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
They are starting to get some respect. I see many groundbreaking papers
coming from that part of the world. Science is a big prestige thing and
the Chinese would like to be No. 1. It should also be noted that many of
their scientists were trained in the US at universities supported by the
US taxpayers.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
10 Feb 2005 05:11:59 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:50:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <prck01pv9i0gf422s3u3bcn2cajp6geiuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
They are starting to get some respect. I see many groundbreaking papers
coming from that part of the world. Science is a big prestige thing and
the Chinese would like to be No. 1. It should also be noted that many of
their scientists were trained in the US at universities supported by the
US taxpayers.
Then it won't be long before US 'scientists' have to get their
training out of country.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
12 Feb 2005 07:08:20 AM |
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In article <pd5n0156g8h58s76uerndj8aeta5hleg1g@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:50:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <prck01pv9i0gf422s3u3bcn2cajp6geiuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain
and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific
research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
They are starting to get some respect. I see many groundbreaking papers
coming from that part of the world. Science is a big prestige thing and
the Chinese would like to be No. 1. It should also be noted that many of
their scientists were trained in the US at universities supported by the
US taxpayers.
Then it won't be long before US 'scientists' have to get their
training out of country.
No kidding. If the cretinists get their way, biology won't even be
taught anymore. On second thought, why teach science or anything else,
since according to the fundies, everything that you need to know is in
the Babble.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
13 Feb 2005 03:35:36 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:08:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <pd5n0156g8h58s76uerndj8aeta5hleg1g@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:50:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <prck01pv9i0gf422s3u3bcn2cajp6geiuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to Britain
and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific
research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
They are starting to get some respect. I see many groundbreaking papers
coming from that part of the world. Science is a big prestige thing and
the Chinese would like to be No. 1. It should also be noted that many of
their scientists were trained in the US at universities supported by the
US taxpayers.
Then it won't be long before US 'scientists' have to get their
training out of country.
No kidding. If the cretinists get their way, biology won't even be
taught anymore. On second thought, why teach science or anything else,
since according to the fundies, everything that you need to know is in
the Babble.
In which case their life will be very very short.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
14 Feb 2005 05:00:13 AM |
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In article <issu015cvpdvjq3bdon1b119mbfj9ntlss@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:08:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <pd5n0156g8h58s76uerndj8aeta5hleg1g@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:50:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <prck01pv9i0gf422s3u3bcn2cajp6geiuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:02:46 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <5o2i01tdqc9n3rdp57tgl0labfuarqb4a6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:50:20 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
[]
I'm waiting for the 'brain drain' in reverse.
Which is already in progress.
It is. Several big name scientists have already emigrated to
Britain
and
Singapore is becoming a very attractive place to do scientific
research.
And more areas will follow that lead.
India and China are the most likely.
I thought China kept their scientists on very short leashes.
They are starting to get some respect. I see many groundbreaking papers
coming from that part of the world. Science is a big prestige thing and
the Chinese would like to be No. 1. It should also be noted that many of
their scientists were trained in the US at universities supported by the
US taxpayers.
Then it won't be long before US 'scientists' have to get their
training out of country.
No kidding. If the cretinists get their way, biology won't even be
taught anymore. On second thought, why teach science or anything else,
since according to the fundies, everything that you need to know is in
the Babble.
In which case their life will be very very short.
How does that go again? "Nasty, brutish, and short."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
14 Feb 2005 05:27:07 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:13 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
How does that go again? "Nasty, brutish, and short."
"... the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
- The Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
15 Feb 2005 06:58:26 AM |
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In article <vfd011h1k4s2kqk21u6225hupq6j4prbi6@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:13 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
How does that go again? "Nasty, brutish, and short."
"... the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
- The Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
Yep. Pretty soon that will be our lot in the Bush theocracy. (Unless of
course you are one of his rich friends.)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Major breakthrough in human embryonic stem cell research |
15 Feb 2005 04:35:38 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:58:26 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <vfd011h1k4s2kqk21u6225hupq6j4prbi6@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:13 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
How does that go again? "Nasty, brutish, and short."
"... the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
- The Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
Yep. Pretty soon that will be our lot in the Bush theocracy. (Unless of
course you are one of his rich friends.)
I guess rich enemies don't count, huh?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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