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"Abner Mintz" |
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02 Oct 2003 07:24:57 PM |
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Manny |
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
02 Oct 2003 09:00:01 PM |
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In article <1g27y2b.13ljqoplso8zeN%abnermintz@earthlink.net>, Abner
Mintz <abnermintz@earthlink.net> wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
I'll leave the witty repostes to others. Me, I simply wonder about him.
Obviously, he has difficulty with the English language. But I can't put
my finger on any specific language group that might make the same kind
of mistakes that Manny makes.
Years ago (in California, at least) there was a movement in the public
schools to teach kids how to read purely by phonetics. It was called
ITA, and it had its own special alphabet. Certain dipthongs (such as
the "ng" sound) were represented by a symbol unseen in ordinary
English. Everything else was spelled exactly as it sounded. "Wot a bizy
dae" meant "What a busy day."
A couple of my younger cousins were taught to read and write this way
and, to this day, although they are bright, successful individuals,
they still have difficulty reading ordinary English or expressing
themselves in writing.
Do you think Manny is a product of some overzealous education major's
doctoral thesis gone horribly awry?
-chib
--
Member of SMASH:
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
02 Oct 2003 09:04:04 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
04 Oct 2003 09:09:49 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
Not even that.
--
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Craig McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
02 Oct 2003 09:39:09 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
Red Celt
aa#883
--
Boy, I've never seen an issue so divisive. It's like a civil war,
isn't it? Even amongst my friends, who are all very intelligent
people, they are totally divided on abortion. Some of my friends, for
instance, think these pro-life people are annoying idiots. Others of
my friends think these pro-life people are evil fucks.
How are we going to come to a consensus?
You want to hear the arguments around my house.
"They're annoying!"
"They're idiots!"
"They're evil!"
"They're fucks!"
Brothers, sisters come together! Can't we once just join hands and
think of them as evil annoying idiot fucks?
-- the late great Bill Hicks
"There are bits of banana peel floating up Belfast Lough that know
more about Irish politics than our JTEM." -- Chesney Christ
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
02 Oct 2003 10:05:58 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More Balanced than John Pointdexter" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
02 Oct 2003 11:14:14 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
That and belief in silly things not proven.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balance' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -315 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
03 Oct 2003 10:08:00 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:14:14 +0000, Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More
Balanced than John Pointdexter wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
That and belief in silly things not proven.
Hm... not sure about that. My dogs often seem to have "faith" in the
oddest things. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
04 Oct 2003 05:57:06 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.03.15.07.59.442683@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:14:14 +0000, Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More
Balanced than John Pointdexter wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
That and belief in silly things not proven.
Hm... not sure about that. My dogs often seem to have "faith" in the
oddest things. <g>
Like can openers?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
04 Oct 2003 06:24:06 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:57:06 -0700, stoney wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.03.15.07.59.442683@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:14:14 +0000, Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More
Balanced than John Pointdexter wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
That and belief in silly things not proven.
Hm... not sure about that. My dogs often seem to have "faith" in the
oddest things. <g>
Like can openers?
No, more like that somehow, someday, if they have enough faith, they'll
get fed from the table...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Manny |
05 Oct 2003 07:23:30 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:24:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.04.23.24.06.352895@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:57:06 -0700, stoney wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.03.15.07.59.442683@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:14:14 +0000, Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More
Balanced than John Pointdexter wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:39:09 +0100, Craig McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:04:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:24:57 +0000, Abner Mintz wrote:
I was reading Manny's latest opus to my wife, and
her resulting comment was 'This is a human being
that doesn't pass the Turing Test.'
Which calls into question his actual status as a human being.
No, seriously. Language is about the *only thing that really separates us
to any significant degree from other animals...
You mean *written* language, surely? Sorry to nit-pick, but other
animals communicate with (what could be described as) language.
Whale-song springs immediately to mind... and dolphin-clicks... hell,
even a dog's woof means something different to a wuwoof. So they tell
me :)
I mean language. Which is why I said "to any significant degree." While
communication of various kinds exist in other species, no one has run with
as far as we have nor gone where we've gone with it.
It's about the only area we do something seriously different...
That and belief in silly things not proven.
Hm... not sure about that. My dogs often seem to have "faith" in the
oddest things. <g>
Like can openers?
No, more like that somehow, someday, if they have enough faith, they'll
get fed from the table...
.....as scrappers.......
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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