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03 Dec 2003 01:45:39 AM |
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Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
Not only the USA has a fundy problem. Normally, I wouldn't give a
rat's patootie about Marilyn Manson. but I thought that this story
might be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/xhy2
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Marilyn Manson Faces Swiss Criminal Probe
Tue Dec 2, 3:23 PM ET
ZURICH, Switzerland - U.S. shock rocker Marilyn Manson is the target
of a criminal inquiry in Switzerland, after a religious group made a
formal complaint about his stage act.
Zurich District Prosecutor Michael Scherrer told The Associated Press
on Tuesday that the artist was under investigation for allegedly
breaching Swiss law protecting religion as well as making incitements
to violence during a concert in the city in February 2001.
Manson ‹ whose real name is Brian Warner ‹ and his band members take
their first names from pop culture icons and their surnames from
famous serial killers. He also uses the sobriquet "Antichrist
Superstar," and is known for his ghastly, cadaverous look and macabre
lyrics.
Baptized as a Satanist and an honorary priest in the Church of Satan,
Manson has ripped a Bible during previous stage shows.
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
The rocker rejected the accusations, Scherrer said. Manson cited
artistic freedom and said his act was meant to provoke a debate about
violence and religion, the official added.
Scherrer said he had yet to decide whether to charge Manson.
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
03 Dec 2003 09:36:30 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com...
Not only the USA has a fundy problem. Normally, I wouldn't give a
rat's patootie about Marilyn Manson. but I thought that this story
might be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/xhy2
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Marilyn Manson Faces Swiss Criminal Probe
Tue Dec 2, 3:23 PM ET
ZURICH, Switzerland - U.S. shock rocker Marilyn Manson is the target
of a criminal inquiry in Switzerland, after a religious group made a
formal complaint about his stage act.
Zurich District Prosecutor Michael Scherrer told The Associated Press
on Tuesday that the artist was under investigation for allegedly
breaching Swiss law protecting religion as well as making incitements
to violence during a concert in the city in February 2001.
Manson < whose real name is Brian Warner < and his band members take
their first names from pop culture icons and their surnames from
famous serial killers. He also uses the sobriquet "Antichrist
Superstar," and is known for his ghastly, cadaverous look and macabre
lyrics.
Yeah but what did he actually do? My car was under investigation as a
derelict piece of junk, but that proves nothing.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
04 Dec 2003 12:27:16 AM |
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In article <2qnzb.26738$n56.6881@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Dr. DuFonet" <accordiondoc@mindsproing.cop> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com...
Not only the USA has a fundy problem. Normally, I wouldn't give a
rat's patootie about Marilyn Manson. but I thought that this story
might be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/xhy2
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Marilyn Manson Faces Swiss Criminal Probe
Tue Dec 2, 3:23 PM ET
ZURICH, Switzerland - U.S. shock rocker Marilyn Manson is the target
of a criminal inquiry in Switzerland, after a religious group made a
formal complaint about his stage act.
Zurich District Prosecutor Michael Scherrer told The Associated Press
on Tuesday that the artist was under investigation for allegedly
breaching Swiss law protecting religion as well as making incitements
to violence during a concert in the city in February 2001.
Manson < whose real name is Brian Warner < and his band members take
their first names from pop culture icons and their surnames from
famous serial killers. He also uses the sobriquet "Antichrist
Superstar," and is known for his ghastly, cadaverous look and macabre
lyrics.
Yeah but what did he actually do? My car was under investigation as a
derelict piece of junk, but that proves nothing.
Apparently in the land of Calvin, you don't have to do very much to
get into trouble.
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
03 Dec 2003 02:31:29 AM |
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In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mark W" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
03 Dec 2003 07:37:29 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net...
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
French, German, Italian and Romansque (sp?).
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
03 Dec 2003 10:04:22 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> writes:
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
No kidding:
http://nzz.ch/2003/11/30/english/page-synd4503862.html
Zurich says no to more religions
Proposed new laws that would have led to the official recognition of
non-Christian faiths, including Islam, have been turned down in canton
Zurich.
Some 64 per cent of voters said no to recognizing faiths other than
the three official religions in the canton.
....
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
04 Dec 2003 04:20:10 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
Mostly German.
--
It seems odd that those who scoff at sun worshippers are apt to worship
a vacuum.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
03 Dec 2003 12:48:06 PM |
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(*nemo*) wrote in <nemo0037-
C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net>:
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
I had the same problem in Jamaica a few years ago - then I figured out it
was a heavy slang-based accented English. Mon.
--
Blast Femur
______________
"A long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided
it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of
years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and
pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine
Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it
seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if
every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and *****
up Your Plan?"
-- George Carlin (NYC, 2/6/99)
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| User: "Mark W" |
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05 Dec 2003 02:24:31 AM |
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"Blast Femur" <you@wish.com> wrote in message
news:9446646E1blastfemur@127.0.0.1...
nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com (*nemo*) wrote in <nemo0037-
C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net>:
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
I had the same problem in Jamaica a few years ago - then I figured out it
was a heavy slang-based accented English. Mon.
The young black community in my home town seems to have adopted a crude
version of Jamaican Pidgin to speak in, despite being mainly African.....
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marilyn Manson upsets Swiss over religion. |
04 Dec 2003 12:25:27 AM |
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In article
<nemo0037-C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
The Swiss have a reputation for being rather up tight about a lot of
things, but when I was a postdoc, there were two Swiss guys in the
group who were really cool. We became good friends. One was Catholic
although I doubt if that had anything to do with things.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
I don't believe that there is an official language. Depending on where
you are they speak either German, French, or Italian dialects, and a
few others. According to the CIA factbook: German (official) 63.7%,
French (official) 19.2%, Italian (official) 7.6%, Romansch (official)
0.6%, other 8.9%. They probably all understand each other, but it
would be as confusing as heck to a foreigner.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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03 Dec 2003 09:37:51 AM |
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On 03 Dec 2003, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:nemo0037-C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net:
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-
protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
I believe German is the official language -- anyway, my grandmother was
Swiss and her first language was German.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "G" |
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03 Dec 2003 09:48:49 AM |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Mekkala wrote:
On 03 Dec 2003, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:nemo0037-C5FA82.03310003122003@news05.east.earthlink.net:
In article
<jhachm-4F2DAE.23453902122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
His act has made him the target of religious and conservative groups
around the world, including the Swiss-based Christians For Truth,
which lodged the complaint.
Scherrer said he interviewed Manson ahead of another sellout concert
Sunday at a Zurich stadium, part of the artist's ongoing European
tour. Christian groups and lawmakers in Zurich had tried
unsuccessfully to have the latest concert banned on grounds that
Manson's views were offensive to a majority of the population.
Seems to me that the Swiss might just need to have their state-
protected
religion challenged every once in a while.
Bunch of Calvinist idiots.
BTW, what language do they speak there? I went there once and couldn't
quite figure it out...
I believe German is the official language -- anyway, my grandmother was
Swiss and her first language was German.
Heh, I believe they have four official languages, German, French, Italian,
and Retroroman.
Any Swiss people here to correct me?
--
Eternal Lands: www.eternal-lands.com
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:34:53 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:45:39 -0800, johac
<jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:
Not only the USA has a fundy problem. Normally, I wouldn't give a
rat's patootie about Marilyn Manson. but I thought that this story
might be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/xhy2
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Marilyn Manson Faces Swiss Criminal Probe
Tue Dec 2, 3:23 PM ET
ZURICH, Switzerland - U.S. shock rocker Marilyn Manson is the target
of a criminal inquiry in Switzerland, after a religious group made a
formal complaint about his stage act.
Zurich District Prosecutor Michael Scherrer told The Associated Press
on Tuesday that the artist was under investigation for allegedly
breaching Swiss law protecting religion as well as making incitements
to violence during a concert in the city in February 2001.
Manson ‹ whose real name is Brian Warner ‹ and his band members take
their first names from pop culture icons and their surnames from
famous serial killers. He also uses the sobriquet "Antichrist
Superstar," and is known for his ghastly, cadaverous look and macabre
lyrics.
Baptized as a Satanist and an honorary priest in the Church of Satan,
Manson has ripped a Bible during previous stage shows.
If you want your child to receive a good, all round education,
as well as a solid grounding in morals, send him to Catholic
School :)
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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03 Dec 2003 09:25:53 AM |
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"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
news:hebrsvkqs00i1sn6s3pib2i7fj376pa09m@4ax.com...
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If you want your child to receive a good, all round education,
as well as a solid grounding in morals, send him to Catholic
School :)
Preferably a Jesuit school. If it was like mine, they were mostly atheists
as far as I could tell.
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Dec 2003 12:28:13 AM |
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In article <5gnzb.404783$HS4.3259695@attbi_s01>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
news:hebrsvkqs00i1sn6s3pib2i7fj376pa09m@4ax.com...
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If you want your child to receive a good, all round education,
as well as a solid grounding in morals, send him to Catholic
School :)
Preferably a Jesuit school. If it was like mine, they were mostly atheists
as far as I could tell.
I went to one too. That's when I started becoming an atheist. :-)
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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