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"Pangur Ban" |
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17 Nov 2006 07:10:48 AM |
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Marines retreat. |
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
Earlier this week, the program declined a suburban Los Angeles
company's offer to donate 4,000 of the foot-tall talking dolls. The
battery-powered Jesus is one of several Bible-based dolls manufactured
by one2believe, a division of the Valencia-based Beverly Hills Teddy
Bear Co.
In explaining the initial decision, Bill Grein, vice president of
Marine Toys for Tots Foundation, in Quantico, Va., had said the program
didn't want to take the risk of offending a Jewish or Muslim family if
they received a Jesus doll.
Toys for Tots distributed 18 million stuffed animals, games, toy trucks
and other gifts to children based on financial need in 2005."
How sad that AP is reporting this morning that the Marines Reserves
have been forced to retreat from an admirable position.
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
18 Nov 2006 03:19:50 AM |
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In article <mn.89727d6b2e73bdc2.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
Earlier this week, the program declined a suburban Los Angeles
company's offer to donate 4,000 of the foot-tall talking dolls. The
battery-powered Jesus is one of several Bible-based dolls manufactured
by one2believe, a division of the Valencia-based Beverly Hills Teddy
Bear Co.
In explaining the initial decision, Bill Grein, vice president of
Marine Toys for Tots Foundation, in Quantico, Va., had said the program
didn't want to take the risk of offending a Jewish or Muslim family if
they received a Jesus doll.
Toys for Tots distributed 18 million stuffed animals, games, toy trucks
and other gifts to children based on financial need in 2005."
How sad that AP is reporting this morning that the Marines Reserves
have been forced to retreat from an admirable position.
How ridiculous. How would they feel if some Jewish organization donated
a talking Rabbi doll that spoke in Hebrew, or since Muslims don't like
depictions of living things, an mp3 player loaded with verses from the
Qur'an?
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
18 Nov 2006 06:36:49 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-52E449.01195018112006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
How ridiculous. How would they feel if some Jewish organization donated
a talking Rabbi doll that spoke in Hebrew, or since Muslims don't like
depictions of living things, an mp3 player loaded with verses from the
Qur'an?
I just think it's sad that the Marines decided to cut and run from a
doll...
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
19 Nov 2006 12:50:39 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-F152B4.07364918112006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-52E449.01195018112006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
How ridiculous. How would they feel if some Jewish organization donated
a talking Rabbi doll that spoke in Hebrew, or since Muslims don't like
depictions of living things, an mp3 player loaded with verses from the
Qur'an?
I just think it's sad that the Marines decided to cut and run from a
doll...
That is a time when they should have stayed the course.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
17 Nov 2006 11:04:59 PM |
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In article <mn.89727d6b2e73bdc2.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban said...
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
....it was discovered later that voice modules in the dolls
had been installed incorrectly. Instead of the expected
words of comfort from Jesus, the dolls produced a string of
quotes from Stewie Griffin:
Oh, forgive me for not being one of those
anorexic babies from the diaper commercials.
Nothing says "oh baby!" like a fresh head
on a pike.
No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I
shall kill you.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
20 Nov 2006 09:42:54 AM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fc85e85a8faeea198a1c1@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <mn.89727d6b2e73bdc2.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban said...
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
...it was discovered later that voice modules in the dolls
had been installed incorrectly. Instead of the expected
words of comfort from Jesus, the dolls produced a string of
quotes from Stewie Griffin:
Oh, forgive me for not being one of those
anorexic babies from the diaper commercials.
Nothing says "oh baby!" like a fresh head
on a pike.
No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I
shall kill you.
LOL!!!!! Now, THAT would be hilarious. I'd definitely give one of those to
a niece or nephew.
And then be forced to leave the country, but it would be worth it! :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Nov 2006 10:53:59 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:10:48 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
I hope they don't incinerate them - smoke from most plastics is toxic.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
17 Nov 2006 12:12:01 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:10:48 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
I hope they don't incinerate them - smoke from most plastics is toxic.
Not as toxic as the ***** coming out of their mouths!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
18 Nov 2006 03:10:31 AM |
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In article <a8qrl2p6tvnkgdadg4ktfqbnrro1n5iiln@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:10:48 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
I hope they don't incinerate them - smoke from most plastics is toxic.
Target practice?
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
18 Nov 2006 03:23:53 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:10:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <a8qrl2p6tvnkgdadg4ktfqbnrro1n5iiln@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:10:48 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
I hope they don't incinerate them - smoke from most plastics is toxic.
Target practice?
Priest comforters?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
19 Nov 2006 12:54:02 AM |
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In article <reuul2lki8u85q8vht20k0hfrjudss3mmp@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:10:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <a8qrl2p6tvnkgdadg4ktfqbnrro1n5iiln@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:10:48 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
I hope they don't incinerate them - smoke from most plastics is toxic.
Target practice?
Priest comforters?
I don't know. It might depend on how 'anatomically correct' they are.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2006 04:01:37 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at Iwo Jimo,
but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
17 Nov 2006 08:03:07 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:01:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at Iwo Jimo,
but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
ALL of them? They wouldn't fit.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when
it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it
so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil
power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2006 08:11:37 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:01:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has
decided to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing
course after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at Iwo
Jimo, but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do
with the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
ALL of them? They wouldn't fit.
Don't be too sure.
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/vicbar.jpg
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Nov 2006 10:27:16 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 02:11:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:01:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has
decided to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing
course after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at Iwo
Jimo, but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do
with the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
ALL of them? They wouldn't fit.
Don't be too sure.
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/vicbar.jpg
I was thinking of the guy who made the decision to retreat.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2006 10:52:51 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 02:11:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:01:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has
decided to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls,
reversing course after saying earlier this week that it couldn't
take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at
Iwo Jimo, but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For
shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do
with the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
ALL of them? They wouldn't fit.
Don't be too sure.
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/vicbar.jpg
I was thinking of the guy who made the decision to retreat.
In that case, who gives a *****?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
18 Nov 2006 03:23:29 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:52:51 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 02:11:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Al Klein
(rukbat@pern.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:01:37 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pangur Ban
(PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net) made the light shine upon us with
this:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has
decided to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls,
reversing course after saying earlier this week that it couldn't
take them."
DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at
Iwo Jimo, but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For
shame.
"The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do
with the dolls."
I know what I'd do with them...
ALL of them? They wouldn't fit.
Don't be too sure.
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/vicbar.jpg
I was thinking of the guy who made the decision to retreat.
In that case, who gives a *****?
Well, if HE did, the dolls would all come out.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:12:53 PM |
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DICKLESS! They can climb a sea wall at Normandy, raise a flag at
Iwo Jimo, but they can't take pressure from godsoaked morons. For
shame.
Um, there were no United States Marines at Normandy. Omaha Beach,
where the troops had to deal with the Seawall was attacked by the 1st
and 29th Infantry Divisions of the United States Army, along with
attached Ranger and Engineer units. Also along for the ride were
Naval Beachmaster and Demolition teams.
But no Marines, other than the few serving onboard the cruisers and
battleships pounding the bluff.
They did amazing things in the Pacific, and earned the right to call
themselves America's premier infantry force, but they were not at
D-Day.
I know I'm late with this, and didn't even bother to unscramble the
attributions, but as an amateur historian and Army infantry vet, this
bugged me.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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18 Nov 2006 08:21:40 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Douglas Berry
(penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I know I'm late with this, and didn't even bother to unscramble the
attributions, but as an amateur historian and Army infantry vet, this
bugged me.
I've been watching a lot of WW2 stuff on the History Channel, but I still
got it mixed up. I guess I got Iwo Jima right. Thanks for the correction.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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18 Nov 2006 04:12:55 PM |
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Pangur Ban wrote:
"LOS ANGELES - The Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program has decided
to accept a donation of Bible-quoting Jesus dolls, reversing course
after saying earlier this week that it couldn't take them.
"The talking Jesus doll issue has been resolved," the organization
announced on its Web site Wednesday. "Toys for Tots has found
appropriate places for these items. We have notified the donor of our
willingness to handle this transaction."
The short note on the Web site did not explain what it would do with
the dolls.
Target practsie, I hope.
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Earlier this week, the program declined a suburban Los Angeles
company's offer to donate 4,000 of the foot-tall talking dolls. The
battery-powered Jesus is one of several Bible-based dolls manufactured
by one2believe, a division of the Valencia-based Beverly Hills Teddy
Bear Co.
In explaining the initial decision, Bill Grein, vice president of
Marine Toys for Tots Foundation, in Quantico, Va., had said the program
didn't want to take the risk of offending a Jewish or Muslim family if
they received a Jesus doll.
Toys for Tots distributed 18 million stuffed animals, games, toy trucks
and other gifts to children based on financial need in 2005."
How sad that AP is reporting this morning that the Marines Reserves
have been forced to retreat from an admirable position.
--
Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Marines retreat. |
17 Nov 2006 09:56:05 AM |
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Pangur Ban wrote:
How sad that AP is reporting this morning that the Marines Reserves
have been forced to retreat from an admirable position.
how sad, but how totally expected...
Jim
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