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Religions > Atheism |
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"J Young" |
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06 Oct 2006 02:57:12 PM |
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Mark Foley Plays the Catholic Card |
http://catholicleague.org/06press_releases/quarter%204/061004_Mark_Foley.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on news that former
congressman Mark Foley was abused by a clergyman:
"We already knew that Mark Foley claims he's an alcoholic who suffers from
mental illness, and yesterday his lawyer told us what everyone in Washington
already knew-Foley is gay. What apparently no one knew was that Foley was
allegedly abused by a clergyman when he was a teenager in high school. Since
Foley is a Catholic, the suggestion is that a priest abused him.
"Foley's lawyer says his client never molested anyone, which begs the
question: why play the Catholic card? Together with his other maladies,
Foley is obviously seeking to exculpate his behavior, despite protestations
to the contrary by his attorney. Foley knows that the public is prepared to
believe the worst about priests in today's environment-they can count on Jay
Leno to bash priests one more time-even though only .02 percent of the
42,000 priests in the U.S. had a credible accusation of sexual abuse made
against him in 2005. But he will stop at nothing to mitigate his actions.
"As for the alleged abuse, it's time to ask some tough questions. First,
there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which
was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn't you just smack the clergyman in the
face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn't allow themselves to
be molested. So why did you?"
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youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Mark Foley Plays the Catholic Card |
06 Oct 2006 04:58:34 PM |
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In article <-_6dnZQgBZ_7KLvYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
"We already knew that Mark Foley claims he's an alcoholic who suffers from
mental illness, and yesterday his lawyer told us what everyone in Washington
already knew-Foley is gay. What apparently no one knew was that Foley was
allegedly abused by a clergyman when he was a teenager in high school.
Some of us, like *ME* for example, predicted from the beginning that the
other shoe would drop and that cathaholic Foley would be involved in
church sex abuse. I suspect that Foley is right now in some vatican
castle, praying to the almost naked crucifix of jesus to take away his
homo-erotic urges for little boys.
However, all joking aside, this raises an interesting question. Has
catholic Mark Foley ever received support, material or otherwise from the
Catholic League or the Catholic church (aside from the proceeds that some
priest deposited in Foley's mouth as a teen). If so, they cannot claim
that they weren't part of this problem. Furthermore, if "everyone in
Washington already knew" that Foley was gay before this incident, then
why were gay-bashing organizations like the Catholic League so silent
about Foley, while they mercilessly persecute other homosexuals who
happen to be Democrats.
Since
Foley is a Catholic, the suggestion is that a priest abused him.
Yeah, unless Jesus came all the way down from heaven just to bone Foley
in the *****.
"Foley's lawyer says his client never molested anyone, which begs the
question: why play the Catholic card?
Given that Bill "play[s] the Catholic card" every minute of the day, he's
not really in any position to asking this about other people.
Together with his other maladies,
Foley is obviously seeking to exculpate his behavior, despite protestations
to the contrary by his attorney. Foley knows that the public is prepared to
believe the worst about priests in today's environment
Yes, the environment in which their reputation has caught up with them.
-they can count on Jay
Leno to bash priests one more time-even though only .02 percent of the
42,000 priests in the U.S.
Hummmm.....That sounds dubiously precise. Doing the math, Donohue is
alleging that only 8.4 priests were accused of molestations last year.
Who know that there was such as thing as .4 of a priest. Anyway, what
Donohue's weaseled claim doesn't mention is how many children each of
these priests might have abused. In many cases, a single priest can
abuse hundreds of children over a career. So his attempt at minimization
rings rather hollow.
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
had a credible accusation
And what about the one's who were intimidated, on pain of
excommunication, via their "Crimens Sollicationis" rape cover up
protocol, from coming forward and revealing what happened?
Second, why didn't you just smack the clergyman in the
face?
Probably for the same misguided reason that people don't regularly smack
you in the face, despite the fact that you heartily deserve it.
After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn't allow themselves to
be molested. So why did you?"
Probably because (1) at the time that it happened it was not as well
known that catholic priests tended to do these things and thus Foley
probably wasn't prepared for it when it happened and (2) The unequal
lower and authority between a 15-year-old and a pedo-priest is what they
count on.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Maureen" |
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| Title: Re: Mark Foley Plays the Catholic Card |
06 Oct 2006 05:07:14 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the charisma
and reserve-
--
Maureen, living "La Vie Boheme"
I can't control
My destiny
I trust my soul
My only goal is just
To be
There's only now
There's only here
Give in to love
Or live in fear
No other path
No other way
No day but today...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj1Y4o5R80A
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| User: "quibbler" |
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06 Oct 2006 07:18:29 PM |
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In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
Since you're citing a son, I'll cite one too
_Irish Son_ by Bryan McFadden
(If you haven't heard the son, you need to, because reading the lyrics
don't do it justice)
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/brianmcfadden/irishson.html
I was born in the heart of Dublin
To a holy book full of rules
Made get on our knees every Sunday with the other fools
We were warped by the Christian Brothers
In the cell blocks at our schools
Get a handprint on your skin
From a glove of jewels
Go hit me now
That I'm twice your size
We brushed off the accusations
And bowed before your lies
This is the city that raised me
With the religion they gave me
Now I'm old enough to know my own mind
But it was leaving that saved me
I've seen so much that has changed me
So just break with your past
Feed your own mind
'Cause this Irish son has moved with the times...
Now, as far as that half-assed, Darth Vader wannabe William Donohue goes,
I'd be curious to know how many sexual predators he's fought off with his
bare hands.
Maureen, living "La Vie Boheme"
The musical _Rent_ was really superb. So you identified with Maureen,
eh?
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "BAM" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:14:28 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f90a03d2372207b989ce5@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it
used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the
charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd. I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift I've
ever received. Of course, I don't have your guilt.
BAM
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| User: "Maureen" |
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07 Oct 2006 09:11:55 AM |
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BAM wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f90a03d2372207b989ce5@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it
used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the
charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd. I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift I've
ever received. Of course, I don't have your guilt.
BAM
You didn't spend part of your upbringing in Dublin at an "industrial school" on
Sean McDermott St.
--
Maureen, living "La Vie Boheme"
I can't control
My destiny
I trust my soul
My only goal is just
To be
There's only now
There's only here
Give in to love
Or live in fear
No other path
No other way
No day but today...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj1Y4o5R80A
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Mark Foley Plays the Catholic Card |
06 Oct 2006 08:28:36 PM |
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In article <LbDVg.34858$tT6.2672@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net says...
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f90a03d2372207b989ce5@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone, there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some 5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it
used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the
charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd.
Only to a moron, but then again, you are the BAMoron.
I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift I've
ever received.
Yes, of course that either means that you've never received any gifts
worth anything, or to paraphrase Richard Dawkins, you regard your deep
and abiding ignorance as god's greatest gift to you.
Of course, I don't have your guilt.
What guilt might that be, BAMoron? Now why don't you and Bill DonutHole
go out and service another horny celibate priest before he gets the urge
to rape another Mark Foley. It seems like you enjoy paying "lip service"
to the church. Perhaps you enjoy it too much.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:45:30 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:14:28 -0400 "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> said the following in alt.atheism and
I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd. I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift I've
ever received. Of course, I don't have your guilt.
No guilt? Then you didn't do the Church right.
(Proud Son of Eire, and former Catholic myself.)
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Strife767" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:31:41 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:14:28 -0400, BAM <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net>
wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f90a03d2372207b989ce5@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone,
there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the
US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some
5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it
used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the
charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd. I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift
I've
ever received.
Religion tends to be what people value when they've got nothing else.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:06:51 PM |
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In article <op.tg02i2h55i5s70@chris>, says...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:14:28 -0400, BAM <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net>
wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f90a03d2372207b989ce5@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <4526D38E.EA167EAD@LaVieBoheme.dis-org>,
Maureen@LaVieBoheme.dis-org says...
quibbler wrote:
But his attempt to deception is even more notable. See for example,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1766941,00.html
"Meanwhile, the scandals continue to mount: in 2004, 1,092 new
allegations were lodged against priests, and in California alone,
there
are currently 750 cases pending in the courts. Moreover, despite the
US
Bishops National Review Board's own estimates that there are some
5,000
abusive priests in the US, to date only 150 have been successfully
prosecuted - a reflection, in large part, says Wall, of a lack of
cooperation from the church".
That's enough to show what a lying sack of ***** Donohue is.
This quote seems appropriate to this discussion:
- The Catholic Church is nowhere near as influential in Ireland as it
used to be,
but it's still around, breathing heavily, like Darth Vader without the
charisma
and reserve-
As a person of Irish catholic ancestry myself, I had to fight the same
struggle to free myself all that religious nonsense.
That's odd. I consider my Irish Catholic upbringing the greatest gift
I've
ever received.
Religion tends to be what people value when they've got nothing else.
Nothing except the occasional sperm deposit in BAMoron's mouth from the
local cathaholic priest.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Mark Foley Plays the Catholic Card |
07 Oct 2006 04:10:47 AM |
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J Young schrieb:
http://catholicleague.org/06press_releases/quarter%204/061004_Mark_Foley.=
htm
Usual Friday night at J Young's: time to fantasize about young boys...
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on news that former
congressman Mark Foley was abused by a clergyman:
"We already knew that Mark Foley claims he's an alcoholic who suffers from
mental illness, and yesterday his lawyer told us what everyone in Washing=
ton
already knew-Foley is gay. What apparently no one knew was that Foley was
allegedly abused by a clergyman when he was a teenager in high school. Si=
nce
Foley is a Catholic, the suggestion is that a priest abused him.
"Foley's lawyer says his client never molested anyone, which begs the
question: why play the Catholic card? Together with his other maladies,
Foley is obviously seeking to exculpate his behavior, despite protestatio=
ns
to the contrary by his attorney. Foley knows that the public is prepared =
to
believe the worst about priests in today's environment-they can count on =
Jay
Leno to bash priests one more time-even though only .02 percent of the
42,000 priests in the U.S. had a credible accusation of sexual abuse made
against him in 2005. But he will stop at nothing to mitigate his actions.
"As for the alleged abuse, it's time to ask some tough questions. First,
there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which
was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn't you just smack the clergyman in the
face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn't allow themselves =
to
be molested. So why did you?"
=20
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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07 Oct 2006 06:07:27 AM |
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In article <1160212246.946083.217020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote:
J Young schrieb:
http://catholicleague.org/06press_releases/quarter%204/061004_Mark_Foley.=
htm
Usual Friday night at J Young's: time to fantasize about young boys...
• Say anything to defend the RCC.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Oct 2006 03:40:42 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:57:12 -0400, J Young wrote:
"As for the alleged abuse, it's time to ask some tough questions. First,
there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which
was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn't you just smack the clergyman in the
face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn't allow themselves to
be molested. So why did you?"
So, Donohue's position is if a priest can get away with it, it's not wrong...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:30:15 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:57:12 -0400, J Young wrote:
I hear the Catholic church offered to move Foley to a different parish...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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07 Oct 2006 06:05:07 AM |
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In article <xYSdndpFS5aqjLrYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:57:12 -0400, J Young wrote:
I hear the Catholic church offered to move Foley to a different parish...
chortle
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